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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Kees on February 20, 2004, 05:02:21 PM
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News reached us that Genesi won the amiga lawsuit, although it has not been confirmed yet by either party.
We will keep you posted.
Taken from Morpos-news.de
"Genesi announced this morning that the US Federal Court in Washington State had found in favor of its request for judgment against Amiga Inc. The Court's decision grants full relief to Genesi, including source code access to the licensed Amiga operating system and the full use of the Amiga trademarks.
Whether or not Genesi incorporates any of these features long term into MorphOS or any other of it strategic plans will now be the subject of investigation. Genesi will have full descretion to execute the license agreement unilaterally and is now free to pursue damages against Amiga Inc. "
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Keep it clean if you reply.
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@TheMagicM
"Keep it clean if you reply."
Soap! (Sorry couldn't resist).
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Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk.
Among the two worlds now, Oceana will rule (1984).
:-(
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It seems to be real this time ... it has been confirmed .. just not official/public.
I wouldn't have posted it if I believed it was crap again.
I wonder what this will mean ... for Amiga and for Genesi.
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Who has confirmed it? Where is the information - is not placeing this as news a little premature untill the relevant documents to this claim are made availble?
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AMIGAOS ??
they surely mean AMIGAde ..
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http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=658&si=1 (http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=658&si=1)
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This news item does not show up when I select "news" in the navigation bar.
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:rtfm:
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Only for De right?
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What a sad day for the Amiga.
- Mike
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No Flame Bait...
Edited by: TheMagicM.
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A very sad day indeed :-( Hope this doesnt turn into something ugly.....
btw. It must be DE and not the OS!?!?
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@magnetic:
Dont start a flamefest here!
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Congratulations Genesi. And it's not a sad day for the Amiga, it's a sad day for Amiga Inc (two very different things). They've done so much damage to the Amiga you could almost cry. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them - the Amiga will be stronger for it.
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magnetic: keep it down. there will be no trolling/flaming in here, or this whole thread will be locked.
Have a GREAT day :)
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I'm not comenting on this one, nope..nuh-uh.. Too much of a powder keg! My avatar will be MIA for a while to :nervous:
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magicM:
you told magnetic about trolling, whats this then?
Have a GREAT day :)
:-o
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lempkee, I've told you once in the last 24 hours, now give it a rest.
If you have a serious complaint about the moderation on AO, talk to an AO staff member privately over p/e-mail. Otherwise don't be a pain or go elsewhere please.
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Hey Mike. He's got a point..
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The lawsuit was about AmigaDE for MorphOS and being able to use the Amiga trademark.
AmigaOS4 and the AmigaOne don't have anything to do with it.
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(my opinion) this is a great day! a milestone has been reached! i hope now Genesi will sue Amiga inc and get the money they used on this lawsuit back! hoppefully this will bankrupt Amiga inc and someone else can buy the trademark (dont care who acctualy as long as they do some good with it wich is more then what i can say the current owners have).
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lempkee: sorry, I meant to say.. Have a TERRIBLE day.
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magicm:
lempkee: sorry, I meant to say.. Have a TERRIBLE day.
thanks, the same to you also :-)
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edit:
:lol:
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lempkee:
LOL :)
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I completely, 100%, for sure, absolutely, agree with redrumloa on this one. "No Comment."
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For me is a terrible day, the better solution now, i hope an alliance...
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Arg! This certainly doesn't make me too fond of Genesi's methods. What are they trying to accomplish? Surely a buyout would be a better option given their motives.
Oh well. Maybe we'll see OS4 on Pegasos and MorphOS on AmigaOne now...
And they have to mean DE, yes? Hyperion's in charge of the OS source code now, aren't they? I don't really see why Genesi need it anyway, since 68K Amiga apps are already running on MorphOS.
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Hi
AFAIK there is no agreement / contract between TAO and Genesi about Intent license.
AmigaDE / AA run on top of Intent. Without Intent, AA will be a useless software.
How Genesi plan to use the AmigaDE source code, without INTENT?
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This is a great day for the Amiga.
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For those of you who are cursing Genesi right now... remember that This just one of several Law suits that Amiga inc. have lost.
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I join redrumloa and targhan in saying
No Comment
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I'll believe it when I see documentation, not a post on Genesi's site...
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I get the feeling Genesis is using the american corporate legal system for what it´s worth. It´s a sad day for the community, not only Amiga Inc.
Hey, Amiga Inc does not have money to protect themselves, let´s sue.
Does anyone here seriously belive Amiga Inc´s failure will help Genesis in any way? Will MorphOS become better now? Will Genesis sell more hardware? I know that a lot of people (*cough* amigaworld.net *cough*) incuding me won´t buy pegasos anyway, most of us won´t even buy AmigaOne before price is down, and OS4 is out there.
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Well, if it really is the OS that Genesi will have access to (which I doubt it is), then I assume that we will soon have an AOS4 compatible version of MorphOS.
More likely is that MorphOS will get a fast JVM/AmigaDE player.
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Some comments are very sad.... Is Amiga Inc the evil? Useless to talk about it here. The same bla bla bla bla bla....
Anyway this is not important if it is only for DE.
Have a nice weekend to all.
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Except they won't.. because Intent is Tao's property and source code. Not Amiga Inc.
They could at most the code that Amiga has created in top of Intent - and how much would that help in itself? 0.
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A very sad day indeed... This sure did not help AmigaINC's sad financial state :boohoo:
The company with most money, seem to be the winner in most of this cases :-x
this sure wont help me to buy products from Genesi, i rather leave the whole community..
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I agree with you Riccardo :-(
God save Amiga Inc :-)
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Long Live AROS!
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Oh no, don't say this
AmigaOne/OS4 is reality, I hope that this situation will come cleared in this days
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"...What the world needs now is AROS, sweet AROS..." everybody now!! "... What the world......."
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Let's see...consulting ye auld Crystal Ball here...I forsee that Hyperion will say that this is why they can't complete OS4*, Genesis uses this as an inroad to take control of what's left of the "Amiga" name/corporation and shortly thereafter disposes of it, from there on out it's MOS all the way...
Yep. Just you wait.
*if it's not out in the next 2-4 weeks it won't ever be released, folks.
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:-( I surely hope this isn't true.
In case it is, can someone tell me or point me to something I can read that tells what the lawsuit was in the first place? Was this the one where Amiga forgot to renew the trademarks or what? What is it that Genesi is claiming agains Amiga?
But, I agree with Xand. If it's posted on Genesi's site, then there's some doubt as to it's truthfulness. Here's me waiting to see and hoping it's a hoax.
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For all those defending Amiga Inc: what have you got to thank them for? A DE disaster, an OS delayed more every month, a licencing scheme seemingly designed to squeeze as much money out of the community as possible while chasing off all its users, lies, prevarication, delaying tactics, con tactics and most of the time just deadening silence. Do yourselves a favour, drop Amiga Inc like the useless outfit they are. Amiga Inc is NOT Amiga.
Second point, the conspiracy theories some of you are coming out with are plain silly. What what Genesi gain by destroying OS4 even if they wanted to? Huge unpopularity, that's all - people who want to buy OS4 wouldn't run and buy Pegasos in droves instead, would they??
I wouldn't care who finally broke Amiga Inc. Actually I'd prefer it not to be Genesi, because then it will poison public opinion of them even more than all the FUD. But someone had to take a sledghammer to that huge millstone that is AInc and I'm glad this is yet the heaviest blow.
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"...and the full use of the Amiga trademarks"
?!!! How come? Wasn't this about DE only? If this is true there will be major confusion in the old users that will be interested in the new Amigas.
I remember Bill Buck saying Genesi had NO interest in the trademark, so let's see if he was telling the truth about it.
Is this news posted with intend to lead to misinterpretation as has happened already? I'm particularly refering to this: "...including source code access to the licensed Amiga operating system".
Or maybe AInc was calling DE AmigaOS, as they were doing when they bought the rights to the trademark.
I suggest everyone to wait and see what actually this is all about: AmigaDE vs AmigaOS , and WICH trademarks are they granted to use.
But if they get the Amiga, or AmigaOS trademark, not just the DE one this will have major impact that's for sure.
I'm getting sympathy for NO company. Just another thing that makes me go Linux.
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@KennyR
I thank Amiga Inc for making the decision to take AmigaOS from 68k to PPC. They never broke any promises, AmigaOS is not delayed, it´s in development and will be released when it´s done. Just as Hyperion promised us.
AmigaDE is a fantastic concept, I don´t blame Amiga Inc for missed business opportunities. It´s a hard market.
"lies, prevarication, delaying tactics, con tactics"
Please back up your claim with a link to a lie, some con tactics or such. I believe you are the liar here.
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I thought the lawsuit was about getting AmigaDE and thats it? right?
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Love the Amiga, look forward to OS4, Bash Genesi, Hate MorphOS... Whatever!
But please please do not defend Amiga Inc. They are crooks who hijacked a brand name, and are now getting what they deserve.
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My gosh, like a bunch of religious fanatics... Most of you don't have the slightest clue what this lawsuit was about.
There is a _signed_ contract between Amiga Inc and Genesi, this lawsuit just enforces Amiga Inc to act according to it's contents.
The contract is about porting AmigaDE to future products of Genesi, including the Pegasos - which Amiga Inc refused. Now - given that the news item is true - the judge granted Genesi access to AmigaDE, and granted them the opportunity to PAY MONEY to Amiga Inc. Simple as that.
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Gopal wrote:
I thank Amiga Inc for making the decision to take AmigaOS from 68k to PPC.
Then you are thanking the wrong people. Phase5 made the decision to switch to PPC. Amiga Inc was busy promising new OS4 and OS5 stuff that was fantasy and most of which still is. And the DE which they decided to do instead had really very little to do with the Amiga.
"lies, prevarication, delaying tactics, con tactics"
Lies: "OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC hardware. And it's bloody fast. It's currently in beta testing at 20 external sites, and it's just about ready to go ? in three more weeks. The components are ready, we just have to plug them together and go." - Bill McEwen.
That and his infamous "30,000 AmigaDE developers" quote. I have loads of these. Shall I go on?
Prevarication and delaying tactics: The Ask Fleecy Q&A, the only Q&A in the world that doesn't actually manage to definitively answer anything.
Con tactics: The great t-shirts scam: taking $50 and not delivering either coupons or t-shirts. These will never be delivered because Amiga Inc does not have the money to do so, even before this lawsuit.
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Yes, the contract was for Thendic-France's use of AmigaDE on it's devices as listed in an appendix of the licence contract. A clause in another section of the contract stiplifies how other Thendic-France products maybe added to the list.
Thendic-France/Genesi's lawsuit was that Amiga, Inc. violated the contract by not allowing, as according to the contract, the addition of the Pegasos motherboard.
The judge seems to agree with Genesi. We will just have to wait abit to see what the actually wording of the decision is. Also, if there will be an appeal.
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I thought it was 3000 AmigaDE developers.
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@KennyR
"..while chasing off all its users"
LOL! Sorry couldn't help it. Where did that happend?
I hated them when they were ditching AmigaOS and just using the tradmarks to do their own thing. But most of the reasons you point out now are the direct result of the company having no resources. I'm pretty sure they're not broke by their own will.
By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors! Even if they gain some haters and gain bad reputation within the Amiga community the trademark is still VERY usablle marketwise.
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Jose wrote:
@KennyR
"..while chasing off all its users"
LOL! Sorry couldn't help it. Where did that happend?
About the part where they announced 800 dollar motherboards. And of course, by starting OS4 for real so damn late and alienating all of the people who already had code and the skills.
By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors!
Wrong.
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I'm sorry, I shouldn'tve said "...and the full use of", rather, full control of as in the right to bury the Amiga once and for all.
Oh, I hate AInc as well as Genesis, (and for that matter, Escom, Quikpak, Commodore etc. etc.), but I've got a feeling this is the camel's nose under the tent for Genesis, at any rate.
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@KennyR
"About the part where they announced 800 dollar motherboards. And of course, by starting OS4 for real so damn late and alienating all of the people who already had code and the skills."
Yeah, some stuff there, but that's not like "chasing all the users". My time to ask you. What would they gain by making false announcements?
The MOS as AOS4 deal didn't come up for BOTH companies not being able to reach an agreement. That's all we know. I'm pretty sure it's easy to imagine valid reasons for both sides.
"By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors!
Wrong."
What's your reasoning then? Fighting for a trademark and OS is not competing?. There might be more implications for this than just the DE deal you know, mostly if they get to use some trademarks, like AmigaOS. Unless they are lying in their announcement and it's not about "the full use of the Amiga trademarks" after all.
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You can read our editorial on the litigation here:
The Downward Spiral of Amiga, Inc. (http://www.amiga.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=14)
You can reach the court documents obtained by Rich Woods and made public here (http://merlancia.us/amigabk/?M=A).
You can view the contract here (http://merlancia.us/amigabk/decbuck2.pdf) starting on page 4.
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Thanks man!
:lol:
You made my day. :-)
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@KennyR
That´s not links or facts, thats writing quotations. They might be fake for all I know. And they might be taken out of their context.
When were u supposed to recieve the t-shirts? Did they give any date? Did anyone claim their money back? Did they recieve their money?
Phase5 didn´t take AmigaOS anywhere. They made hardware and managed to get some developer support.
I´m sure you would love Amiga Inc to give away trade secrets in Fleecy´s Q&A, but who in corporate america does that? Ask stupid questions, get what you ask for.
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Hey Mike. He's got a point..
What was that?
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aside from that, I fail to see how two broke companies suing each other, successfully or not, makes it a great day. If both of them aren't already broke, they very soon will be.
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@Gopal
Unfortunately I do remember some of them. They rushed too much to announcing stuff in the beggining. But I'm not pursuing damages from them :) Specially for announcements.
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What are they trying to accomplish?
Isn't it obvious? They know that without the Amiga name stamped on their software/hardware package they're dead in the water, and this is their pathetic attempt at getting it - even if it is only for the AmigaDE. It won't work for me though, if the AmigaInc/Hyperion effort fails, it will be the last nail in the coffin for Amiga as far as I'm concerned.
- Mike
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Gopal wrote:
That´s not links or facts, thats writing quotations. They might be fake for all I know. And they might be taken out of their context.
Click (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,687936,00.asp).
That's not taken out of context, or a rushed announcement. That's a blantant, obvious lie. McEwen did make rather a lot of these claims, before he went silent.
Amigans may be despressed and think the future is bleak because of this court outcome. But believe me, I'm far more depressed that people still run to support Amiga Inc even when they don't deserve such support. I just can't see any reasoning for except that they have the Amiga name. And that, to me, really, really makes the Amiga community futureless.
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@KennyR,
By the way, FFS how come Genesi doesn't win anything? They are direct competitors!
Wrong.
Oh you mean Amiga Inc are not direct competitors with Genesi? What, are they in some alliance I'm not aware of? How do you explain the law suit, or the fact that they're both marketing an almost identicle product to the same mico-market. I don't think you need an MBA to understand that the two are at complete odds with each other. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF AN ALLIANCE! Only one of the two can come out ahead, but the way things are going it seems that both will end up losing everything.
I'm just hoping AROS is finished soon as the x86 AmigaOS will wipe-out any chance of a PPC-AmigaOS anyway.
- Mike
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Hyperion's point of view (http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-02-00124-EN.html)
According to my sources, Amiga Inc. lost because they had no legal representation.
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According to my sources, Amiga Inc. lost because they had no legal representation.
So it's kind of a default judgement (not for the first time)?
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Ok, I give up.
But thats an interview, and stuff might sound different when he said it than they do in print.
The reason I mention this is because McEwen is a pro, and didn´t say that if he knew he could not deliver.
So in the end you are right, but I´m sure he didn´t know he was telling us a lie at the time (or even used those words).
McEwen has been carefull how he uses words not to promise, but to "inspire" and promote. Some might sounds like promises, but are hopes/dreams.
I bet he (and/or Amiga Inc) even intended to ship those t-shirts before getting into economic trouble.
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"magnetic: keep it down. there will be no trolling/flaming in here, or this whole thread will be locked"
/me heads to ann.lu to look for samface
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McEwen is a pro
Yes, he is a pro truck driver. He is not a businesman.
I bet he (and/or Amiga Inc) even intended to ship those t-shirts before getting into economic trouble.
It's already on record that Aminga Inc. were in deep "economic trouble" long before the T-Shirt scam was planned.
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"magnetic: keep it down. there will be no trolling/flaming in here, or this whole thread will be locked
/me heads to ann.lu to look for samface
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T_bone: I dont know what that means. But if you're implying starting trouble or getting on my nerves, I'll have no problems locking your account.
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"...and the full use of the Amiga trademarks"
Heh . . .heh
Yeah, but we all know that the Genesi/Morph/Peg people all disparage "the name" anyway. So we'll NEVER see them use an Amiga trade mark or even try to suggest that they're like Amiga. . . . RIGHT?
Paul
Lets' see. . . no Amiga bootcode. . . no OS4. . . . and no underlying operating system on which to run AmigaDE. Yup, that's sure going to be "an Amiga" isn't it???
BBRV and gang have an interesting way of defining trademarks then.
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!? Calm down man!
He posted a joke that you wouldn't understand unless you have indepth knowledge of the flamewars
at ann.lu.:-) Most of them have something in common... Samface. Until recently, they also had
me trying to find some logic in his comment;-)
By the way, I do not think that "I'll have no problems locking your account" is a nice way
to reply, neither something that you should do so lightly. This is constructive criticism and I
would gladly keep it private if you want.
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Lets' see. . . no Amiga bootcode. . . no OS4. . . . and no underlying operating system on which to run AmigaDE. Yup, that's sure going to be "an Amiga" isn't it???
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No underlying OS to run AmigaDE? Indeed, ATM it does not run on any Amiga-like operating system.
Genesi wanted a port to the Pegasos in terms with
their CONTRACT with Amiga Inc. You know, a piece
of paper McEwen signed, probably without reading
it first...
Usage of trademarks == When they port the AmigaDE
(which won't ever happen imho... no reason to lose
time and money on it) they will be able to call
the Pegasos an Amiga. As simple as that.
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"Arg! This certainly doesn't make me too fond of Genesi's methods. What are they trying to accomplish? Surely a buyout would be a better option given their motives.
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A valid license isn't a good method? What do you mean? Granted they shouldn't have had to go to court to get it honored, but still.
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I just can't see any reasoning for except that they have the Amiga name. And that, to me, really, really makes the Amiga community futureless.
Well blow me down (using Popeye imitation)
My first post was right... With the Genesi/Morph/Peg gang "the name" _IS_ really useless. So glad to hear it! In that case, Genesi can just forget about this little "victory" in the courtroom and go about their business of making multi platform hardware and software which runs an Amiga emulator, and not bother putting the Amiga name on anything they sell.
Paul
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AmiGR: I do not go to ann.lu so I found no humor in it. What I'm doing is TRYING to keep a thread clean, where Amiga owners will feel like they lost out. I know that from history when one side or the other is down, they kick them while they're down. If its meant as a joke, put a smiley in there otherwise it will be interpreted differently.
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"T_bone: I dont know what that means. But if you're implying starting trouble or getting on my nerves, I'll have no problems locking your account. "
:-o
For finding Samface on ann.lu?
Oh while I'm at it, it appears I've lost a bet on Moobunny. I can't remember what I bet, but I remember betting Genesi would lose. If whomever I bet remembers the thread so that I may make good on my payment you may PM me at this site :-)
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This should not be in this thread at all Paul
but MorphOS is *NOT* an Amiga emulator...
It's a reimplementation of the AmigaOS APIs
just like AROS from which it got many parts.
It reimplements the AmigaOS 3.1 API, adding
wrappers for stuff like WarpOS and Warp3D.
Its user interface uses MUI heavily.
Face it, there is nothing alien about that OS
except the fact that it's not based on the
original sources and that it doesn't have the
name.
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Tbone: I dont know enough about these "inside jokes", I may have over-reacted.. Sorry bout that.
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I know this is rather soon, but I'm sure you guys[genesi] have thought about it in anticipation of this day, are new pegasos users to recieve a DE player for Morphos sometime in the future?
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@TheMagicM
noprob :)
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Just who is doing the hijacking here? Those who have the trademark currently, purchased it and said intellectual property from Gateway (with the backing of VC, of course). If AInc is guilty of anything, it's writing bad contracts with sharks like Bill Buck and not being well funded or sucessful enough to vigorously defend their IP and trademarks (and I will grant you - a certain amount of ineptness and dodgy fund raising).
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@Gopal
"Phase5 didn´t take AmigaOS anywhere. They made hardware and managed to get some developer support."
And all the while OS4 is still to be released, Amiga Inc haven't taken AmigaOS anywhere either PPCwise.
"AmigaOS is not delayed"
Yet in 2001 they said "The first release of AmigaOS4 is targeted for Summer (in the Northern Hemisphere), with further releases every six months." ( http://www.amiga.com/corporate/041201-techupdate-B.shtml ). Though I suppose as with a lot of their release dates, they always fail to tell us which year..
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Just who is doing the hijacking here? Those who have the trademark currently, purchased it and said intellectual property from Gateway (with the backing of VC, of course). If AInc is guilty of anything, it's writing bad contracts with sharks like Bill Buck and not being well funded or sucessful enough to vigorously defend their IP and trademarks (and I will grant you - a certain amount of ineptness and dodgy fund raising).
I don't follow the Amiga with great interest, as it's more of a morbid curiosity for me. Still, since Amiga Inc hasn't released anything worthwhile in four years, hasn't updated their website in forever, and everyone in the community is wonder just who the hell owns Amiga and/or its trademarks, then there must be something terribly wrong with the company.
Stop making such harsh judgements on ANY party involved, here. Very few of us understand what goes on in those companies or the courts. Maybe Amiga is in default of relicensing their trademarks. Maybe Genesi is full of jerks. Maybe both or neither.
When Amiga releases something, which would actually put them on an equal playing field with Genesi, I'll pass judgement. For now, all I know if that Amiga did absolutely nothing since 2000 (and they certainly had plenty of time), and have a history of not talking to the community. They might not be able to control all the things that go wrong, but they're certainly not that smart.
Wait and see.
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Yet in 2001 they said "The first release of AmigaOS4 is targeted for Summer (in the Northern Hemisphere), with further releases every six months." ( http://www.amiga.com/corporate/041201-techupdate-B.shtml ). Though I suppose as with a lot of their release dates, they always fail to tell us which year..
Heh. It's funny to read that URL again. The release schedule looked so reasonable at the time. :)
Personally, I think OS4 was a bad design move. Yeah, making a new core is a good idea, but there should have been at least one more transitional release. Charging $50 for even an rediculously minor update would have at least generated some income (and I won't say anything about the T-Shirts).
Hey, Apple does it all the time. :)
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Paul wrote:
My first post was right... With the Genesi/Morph/Peg gang "the name" _IS_ really useless. So glad to hear it! In that case, Genesi can just forget about this little "victory" in the courtroom and go about their business of making multi platform hardware and software which runs an Amiga emulator, and not bother putting the Amiga name on anything they sell.
Yeah yeah, I've heard this bull since day one, and hearing it repeated ad nauseam doesn't make it any truer or more logical.
For a start, classic Amiga compatibility on OS4 will also be done through emulation. So your argument that MOS is just an emulator and not and Amiga for that reason falls flat on its face.
Secondly, Amiga Inc are just company with a name to slap around too. They have no relation to Commodore or the original Amiga. How you could say this for AmigaONE (which I assume you mean by a "real Amiga", correct me if I'm wrong) but not for a legal Pegasos Amiga clone I will never know. Logic error overload.
If what is today MorphOS had been the real AmigaOS, none of you would really know any different. It would be woo, yay, great, PCs are crap, Amigas rule again. But now that MorphOS has been identified as the enemy, bias and prejudice are the only strength Amiga Inc and its licenced A1/OS4 seem to have any more. And the more they use it to fend off their growing problems, the less logical it seems to become.
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If you have a serious complaint about the moderation on AO, talk to an AO staff member privately over p/e-mail. Otherwise don't be a pain or go elsewhere please.
WHats the point?
I have taken such things up with the vaunted webmaster and had NOTHING done about my complaints.
This is not news it is rumour only as it can't be publicly demonstrated as fact.
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@KennyR
what pure claptrap.
If Genesi wanted the Amga name they could have bought it.
Hang on, Mr Bill Buck tried, failed and droveo drove phase 5 bankrupt in the [process!
Well I guess they could simply have agreed to the lisence terms AMiga Inc. set out, but Noooooooooo, they could not do that.
They could have developed Morphos to run on the AmigaOne, but nooooooo, yet they EXPECT Amiga Inc to port AOS4 to thier machine.
Of course this means nothing to you as BBRV is your personal hero, and I suspect your secrect unrequited love intrest, so just ignore this post as I would not want to shatter the fragile illusion you call reality.
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I think we should not overrate this.. I mean its like this: Hyperion makes AmigaOs, Eyetech makes AmigaOne.. AmigaInc make.. ehm.. nothing..
So I see it like this: Even if amigainc goes bankrupt Hyperion will release Os4. And Eyetech will release the MicroAone. Who the hell cares about AmigaDE? And even if bbrv kills the amiga and names his pegasos amigasos or whatever, I dont give a f... why? because the amiga as a serious platform died a long time ago (sad but true).. if microaone comes(cheap) I will buy it.. if not, ill use os4 on my a4000.. if os4 dont get released, I will use 3.9 till my amiga collapses one day.. where is the problem, after all its just a hobby..
(sorry for my bad english)
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@KennyR
do you think you can put a sock in it for once? we all know your feelings towards a inc, but we dont need to hear you rehashing them over and over again.
@everyone replying to kennyr
Give it up, KennyR has aright to his own opinions as do you. The thing is in times like these we should just keep them to ourselves, esspecially as none of us here know the full truth behind any of this.
@all
Can we just leave this thread alone now.. Enough has been said, A inc have lost, and the future is uncertain, so nothing has really changed. Lets all wait and see whats around the corner shall we, and lets continue to get along amicably
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@Paul
software which runs an Amiga emulator,
Hi, I don't really care alot about that story. But, if you are speaking about MorphOS when saying "software which runs an Amiga Emulator", you are wrong.
MorphOS is NOT an Amiga Emulator. MorphOS is a new PowerPC OS, whith an AmigaOS compatible layer. Actaully this layer, is the only visible part, but the QBox should replace it in the future.
By the way, I would reply that some people sells official Amiga computer with Linux and UAE (Amiga Emulator) and without any AmigaOS
Bye
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Now the lawsuit`s over, maybe both sides can get back to working on their products.
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IonDeluxe wrote:
If Genesi wanted the Amga name they could have bought it.
Not for the price that "Amga" Inc asked.
Hang on, Mr Bill Buck tried, failed and droveo drove phase 5 bankrupt in the [process!
If you could win prizes for being clueless to this whole situation, you'd come away with top. Phase 5 and Bill Buck? :lol: You really need to get your facts sorted!
Of course this means nothing to you as BBRV is your personal hero, and I suspect your secrect unrequited love intrest, so just ignore this post as I would not want to shatter the fragile illusion you call reality.
All those comments on Ann and MooBunny about all the blind Fleecy lovers finally getting to you, IonDeluxe? Out for a bit of badly focused payback? Or is it just that you're having a really, really bad day because your beloved side suffered a huge defeat? Well, whatever, you're not a very effective troll. I recommend you find an anonymous proxy and make pseudo-sexual remarks about anyone who has a Pegasos and Bill Buck on ANN to cool off a bit. It's more representational of your sophistication level. Or relieve yourself in other ways, who knows. Whatever floats your boat. :)
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That's clear enough, "...the licenced Amiga operating system"
== the Operating System by Amiga that was licenced by Genesi
== AmigaDE.
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Hi,
I don't have all the facts here but, I'll tell you for sure that I will NEVER have anything to do with any Genesi product. This leaves me with a bad taste.
I've ordered my A1, if its the last Amiga product so be it.
Chris
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this reminds me of a phrase..
“Speech is silver. Silence is golden.”
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are new pegasos users to recieve a DE player for Morphos sometime in the future?
Why would they? The contract was for use of AmigaDE on Thendic-France hardware products.
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If AInc is guilty of anything, it's writing bad contracts with sharks like Bill Buck
Thendic-France's lawyers drew up the licencing contract for AmigaDE.
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@Argo
That's an intersting point.
I'll amend my statement to the following:
AInc's biggest mistep may well turn out to be signing a bad contract with a company that had what appears to be better legal representation (i.e. swimming with sharks of the litigious kind:)
"AARGGH...them that's sued first'll be the lucky uns!" -- (Long John Silver after seeing "Pirates of the Caribbean")
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"AInc's biggest mistep may well turn out to be signing a bad contract with a company that had what appears to be better legal representation (i.e. swimming with sharks of the litigious kind:)"
At the time of the contract signing, Amiga Inc was represented by a rather well respected legal firm.
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If you have a serious complaint about the moderation on AO, talk to an AO staff member privately over p/e-mail. Otherwise don't be a pain or go elsewhere please.
WHats the point?
I have taken such things up with the vaunted webmaster and had NOTHING done about my complaints.
Well I've never heard of you, do you want to try talking to me privately about them? Furthermore, I never guaranteed that we would do as you tell us.
Quote from this news clip on AO:
News reached us that Genesi won the amiga lawsuit, although it has not been confirmed yet by either party.
Doesn't sound like it's being dressed up as fact to me.
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Poster: rayt Posted: 2004/2/21 0:52:50 I think we should not overrate this.. I mean its like this: Hyperion makes AmigaOs, Eyetech makes AmigaOne.. AmigaInc make.. ehm.. nothing.. So I see it like this: Even if amigainc goes bankrupt Hyperion will release Os4. And Eyetech will release the MicroAone. Who the hell cares about AmigaDE? And even if bbrv kills the amiga and names his pegasos amigasos or whatever, I dont give a f... why? because the amiga as a serious platform died a long time ago (sad but true).. if microaone comes(cheap) I will buy it.. if not, ill use os4 on my a4000.. if os4 dont get released, I will use 3.9 till my amiga collapses one day.. where is the problem, after all its just a hobby.. (sorry for my bad english)
My sentiments exactly, who cares about DE?
As for the name, nobody cares for that either except the psychos. I use mainly WinUAE for Amigaprograms and have a A1200-060 for DPaint and games and an A500 for older games. I´m just got the money to buy a Pegasos and a PC upgrade. When AOS4 gets out I will buy an Amigaone, when I can afford one.I try AROS sometimes and I´m convinced that someday AROS will run on all of the newer hardware that I have.
Why would I care about the name? I haven´t done that since I heard the phrase AmigaNG from Amiga Inc waaay back.
I don´t think printing the word Amiga on the Pegasos will sell even one extra board.
If Bill Buck want the name of an old dead computer
to put on the Pegasos boards he can use the trademark Compis.:lol: I can assure him that he won´t get sued.(It was a swedish made for schools computer that no one involved wants to remmeber)
Remmeber the only ones that always benefits from lawsuits is the lawyers.:lol:
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I love the Amiga.
Edited by TheMagicM
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I don't see what the fuss is about. It is neither a GREAT day or a TERRIBLE day for Amiga. It's not a good day for Amiga Inc, but then it's not much worse than the previous 500 or so, right?
The judgement is about what we now refer to as AmigaDE and associated trademarks. It does not affect AmigaOS4, except perhaps in the exclusivity of some of the trademarks licensed.
There may be some confusion regarding naming, because at the time of the contract, AmigaDE was regarded by Amiga Inc as the AmigaOS, while AmigaOS 3.1 was regarded as Amiga Classic. No doubt we'll see more kindergarten games surrounding that one.
What's changed? Amiga Inc are still in (deep) trouble. Genesi have their own problems. Eyetech still have a lot of unanswered questions surrounding their product and Hyperion are still to deliver.
It's "as you were", and I'll probably be saying the same thing next year too.
BTW, I still think the site looks messy. ;-)
Actually, what is most notable is the number of completely uninformed people posting in this thread. Which planet have you people been on for the past few years?
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OK, Terry C., why not go somewhere else to play? I heard a child in South Park is the son of the devil you can go ahead and play with. :-)
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well we can bitch and flame all we like, but the best thing to do is just see what happens for both sides.
i have been watching the amiga world with a distant gaze since i left it last year for mac, but i certainly hope genesi don't get the better of what is the real amiga
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
Amiga Inc deserve all they get, Good work Bill and please finish them off once and for all.
Paul_Gadd, please fix that broken record. It's on par with playing Aqua - Barbie Girl all day long.
Infact, maybe we could just have your comment automatically be posted as the first on every forum thread/news clip about Amiga Inc, then you wouldn't have to write out the same thing every time.
Or maybe we won't.
It also seems to me that you come back to AO specifically to make your sniping comment at Amiga Inc then go back to whatever sites you usually frequent. If I have further evidence in the future which backs up my theory, your account won't last very long, because it would be obvious that you come here just to troll.
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>Paul_Gadd, please fix that broken record. It's on par with playing Aqua - Barbie Girl all day long.
I love the Amiga also.
Edited by TheMagicM
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If its for amiga de then i it was meant to be run on all operating systems and a morph os port would be good if there was any good software for it. :-)
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The record only needs polishing, not fixing. I'm 100% with mr.Gadd.
Then you should also heed the advice I gave to Paul_Gadd.
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The judgement is about what we now refer to as AmigaDE and associated trademarks. It does not affect AmigaOS4, except perhaps in the exclusivity of some of the trademarks licensed.
No, but it will probably affect future AmigaOS versions.. I sure as hell wont buy an amigaone/os4, if that will be the last update we get.. If AmigaINC goes under, then so will the future products also.
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when you insult hyperion and amiga inc. you also insult a majority of the users here, so show some respect, and leave whatever grudge/issues you have behind, so that we can move on
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I'm also beginning to agree with those who were complaining about moderation.
It is starting to become tiresome to watch the moderators constantly complain about potential trolling, and the moderators are as much in need of diplomacy lessons as everyone else.
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restore2003 wrote:
when you insult hyperion and amiga inc. you also insult a majority of the users here
I wouldn't say the majority. Not now.
But why? Why are people so offended of criticism of AInc? What have they done recently to earn such support? What have they done in the last two years?
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it also seems to me that you come back to AO specifically to make your sniping comment at Amiga Inc then go back to whatever sites you usually frequent.
Surely a moderator making wild accusations would post some proof instead of making slanderous remarks about a site member.
Also your attack at me in public is breaking this sites T&Cs, i would have expected a moderator to act discreetly and responsible instead of attacking members of this site in full view.
@Marktime
Well said, the quote below says it all.
if you're implying starting trouble or getting on my nerves, I'll have no problems locking your account.
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@KennyR:
Because we are tired of hearing the same thing over and over, time for both camps to start peace talks, the warpath is not the way to go, ugh! ugh!
:-)
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Also your attack at me in public is breaking this sites T&Cs, i would have expected a moderator to act discreetly and responsible instead of attacking members of this site in full view.
It was not an attack you always post negative comments . :flame: :pissed:
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Yes I agree
It would be in best interest in community if Hyperion would let their guard down and have talks with Genesi. Genesi has shown they want OS4 on Peg to reconcile things.. this would go a long way to end the "war" and furthur the platform..
magnetic
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MarkTime: There is no diplomacy in a thread like this. Look at the
children in this thread jumping on each other when the other is down.
Would you prefer we NOT moderate this and let Genesi users jump all
over you when they clearly have the upper hand? Or would you want us
to keep it clean?
This site has had a lack of moderation where threads were left alone
and posters just ran amok when one side annouced something etc.
Paul_Gadd/MarkTime/all: If you do NOT like the moderation, talk to
Kees or any other moderator. Or, just log out and go to another
website, nobody says you should come over here just to post flame bait
or to add to the problems.
If you have noticed, some of your posts have been edited by me. Yes,
yes..your flames have been changed to reflect a positive outlook on
the situation. :-)
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In your opinion, but I don't see it happening. Besides, Genesi would have to talk to Amiga, Inc.
Anyway, let's get back on topic. Which is talking about a possible judgement in favor of Thendic Electronic Components GmbH in their case against Amiga, Inc. for breach of licensing contract.
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@restore2003
when you insult hyperion and amiga inc. you also insult a majority of the users here, so show some respect, and leave whatever grudge/issues you have behind, so that we can move on
The majority doesn't give a damn about Hyperion nor about Amiga Inc. :roll:
Edited by Argo: Personal Attack
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Anyway, let's get back on topic. Which is talking about a possible judgement in favor of Thendic Electronic Components GmbH in their case against Amiga, Inc. for breach of licensing contract.
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@Argo
Edited by Argo: personal insult repeated
It's like someone pointed a gun to their kids head and threatened their lives!
Scary yet pathetic.
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@TBone
"At the time of the contract signing, Amiga Inc was represented by a rather well respected legal firm."
If it does turn out that we are in fact talking about a default judgement, we are left with the possibility that the case was not really decided on its merrits, but rather on the fact that one side didn't show up (i.e. could not pay for legal representation - this is what I was thinking of). In effect, that was then - this is now.
I want to hear more before I jump to any hasty conclusions, however. So should all concerned.
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I can't remember where I found it, but there was a link somewhere pointing to the court papers related on that "merlancia" site. (The link was on some discussion board on the subject of the Amiga lawsuit. I thought it was this one, but I couldn't find it again.) That's what lead me to that site (and what's keeping this post on topic :-)). From there I went over to the realpix site. It's some kind of real estate site run by the same guy.
Anyhoo, guess what you get when you try to fill out the guest book on realpix.com.
GO F*** YOURSELF MERLANCIA! READY TO GO TO JAIL?
Without the *'s, though. I guess this realpix fellow thinks nobody leaves comments but Merlancia folks. That would follow, given the commentary he writes about the connection logs on merlancia.us. Anybody else think it's sick that he has pictures of McEwen's house, drive way, street sign, mailbox....? There's also creepy videos showing how he stalked Ryan C. all over town. And don't even get me started on his website design. :-)
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Just look through the comments here, it's listed in one of my comments.
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Looks like we'll have to wait til early next week.
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People on both sides have exstreme views on the subject. Calling names or labeling them isn't going to change someone's mind if they have exstemely strong views. Alot of the time facts don't work either. The only way they will change their views is the long road to self realization of the situation.
Just beceause someone doesn't see your point of view or you can't convice them otherwise, doesn't mean that they are right, wrong, blind to the facts or anything else. They may have a very good reason or reasons of their own for how they feel. Just leave them be. Arguing with them is not going to solve anything.
Talk to the open minded people instead. It can be a much better conversation.
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well said Argo.
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At the time of the contract signing, Amiga Inc was represented by a rather well respected legal firm.
Very True T-Bone, and Amiga Inc had good representation until September of last year, if they had not continually stalled the trial process, they could have gone into the trial with a lawyer and Genesi may not have gotten everything they asked for as surely Amiga Incs lawyers could have presented better briefs then what McEwen tried to present.
-Tig
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I had to do a search to find this news item just now because it wasn't showing up in the news area anymore. Did I miss the announcement, or was it made invisible without warning?
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Genesi has won nothing.
The contract was with Thedric-Germany not genesi,which is a seperate business entity.
Thedric-France created the pegasos and is now filed for bankruptsy.
The rights therin are not transferable.
Finally, intent does at this time run of PPC and as such DE cannot be ported by Amiga Inc.
Moderation on this site is a joke, and if you make a legitimate complaint, nothing gets done.
@KennyR
Phase 5 went bankrupt due to non payment by Visicorp, BB was CEO at that time and went bunkrupt itself under his leadership.
You assumption that I am an Amiga Inc. fanboy is erroneous and proof of the symptomatic success in the brainwashing you have recieved by the blue propaganda machine.Nor have I ever visited ANN or moobunny more than 1 time as I find it a waste of electron resources,much like anything you post.
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Genesi has won nothing.
Genesi has been part of the court case for quite awhile, you apparently haven't been paying attention. The court agreed that Genesi could enter the case as an interested part of Thendic. The case has been decided against Amiga Inc, thus they have won.
Finally, intent does at this time run of PPC and as such DE cannot be ported by Amiga Inc.
Thats not what Tao says on their website or in their recent postings. Its great you know more then Tao about their product, could you get them to fix their website to be Iondeluxe accurate???
-Tig
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Sorry about that guys, I was away for the weekend and apparently there was some confusion about how to post news stories. It was not marked as "show on the front page", hence the news item was unfortunately hidden.
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@Argo,
You trust that psychopathic weirdo from Merlancia??
I met him on IRC a couple of years ago, he yelled nonstop on how horrible the Amiga 2002 show went. I tried to ask him why, but he just wouldn't shut up, continued ranting and ranting until he logged off himself. True story. I have the log. :whack:
As much as we do see all business blooming, of course there are risks. For someone who deeply fell into his business only to see it go crashing down and seek revenge afterwards, I wouldn't keep his phone number in my book. I rather pursue a new venture than spend all my time and energy just to "get my money back" or even to prove a point that this-company sucks.
@all
I still like to see AmigaOS4 out, of course. From what I'm seeing there's progress and if they do succeed, that'll partially take them out of debt. And also work on existing popular markets either license them for a marginal profit. Lastly and most importantly when it is ready for the public, ADVERTISE!