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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => General Internet News => Topic started by: rachy on February 13, 2004, 09:07:52 AM
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"Neowin has learned of shocking and potentially devastating news. It would appear that two packages are circulating on the internet, one being the source code to Windows 2000, and the other being the source code to Windows NT."
Read more at Neowin (http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=17509&category=main)
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:-D :-D [color=FF3300]LOL!!![/color] :-D :-D
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who wants this junk anyway???
for all i care it could have been opensourced.. :)
though no disrepect meant to opensource teams! or products!... cheers
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lempkee, people who want to exploit NT4/Win2k. People who want to write software that integrates better into the OS. People who are just plain interested. I'd like to get hold of the Win2k source code, then all I need to do is learn C/C++ :-)
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Well, maybe the guys who leaked the source (though I would not want to be in their skin if Microsoft catches them :) )
. bring out details on how much "spying" is going on
in Windows Update processes and such
- bring out details on how crappy the Windows
Source Code *really* is
? :)
Steffen
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There have been concerns about WU and privacy. I haven't found any evidence of anything dodgy like that with WU. The main thing that concerns me about WU is the poor detection, and resulting "your machine is up-to-date" if the detection process for some reason failed.
I think the biggest concern for MS is (if it is true), the rate of exploits will increase (not dramatically), and their reputation for security tarnished further.
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seriously i think its about time WINDOWS got that rock thrown at it :)
next it will be , DOORS for your pc! , as everyone knows doors is easier to enter and much faster + you wont need to tell your neighbours everytime u want to enter the window anymore (so there wont be a security breach :D).
UPGRADE NOW!
only 5.99$
Dial 555-DOORS
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anyway maybe they leaked the code themselves? , i mean.. so that serious people could recode windows and make it a better os in general ? :)
sorry but i do find this funny and if people get afraid because of the source code to windows is out, well then its about to buy an AMIGA :) and start developing the power tools for that , or you can use any of the other os's out there, i am sure BEOS and macos would LOVE to be on top! :=)
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@lempkee
DOORS is no good. MS Doors are always open at the back :lol:
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karlos:yeah i know! :D but maybe if they locked em properly + put an 24/7 securityguard there :)
how hard can it be? , + it will make alot of new job oprtunities for the world :)
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@all
Just nicked this from the web:
* Source Code Windows 2000 */
#include "win31.h"
#include "win95.h"
#include "win98.h"
#include "workst~1.h"
#include "evenmore.h"
#include "oldstuff.h"
#include "billrulz.h"
#include "monopoly.h"
#include "backdoor.h"
#define INSTALL = HARD
char make_prog_look_big(16000000);
void main()
{
while(!CRASHED)
{
display_copyright_message();
display_bill_rules_message();
do_nothing_loop();
if (first_time_installation)
{
make_100_megabyte_swapfile();
do_nothing_loop();
totally_screw_up_HPFS_file_system();
search_and_destroy_the_rest_of-OS2();
make_futile_attempt_to_damage_Linux();
disable_Netscape();
disable_RealPlayer();
disable_Lotus_Products();
hang_system();
} //if
write_something(anything);
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
do_some_stuff();
if (still_not_crashed)
{
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
basically_run_windows_31();
do_nothing_loop();
} // if
} //while
if (detect_cache())
disable_cache();
if (fast_cpu())
{
set_wait_states(lots);
set_mouse(speed,very_slow);
set_mouse(action,jumpy);
set_mouse(reaction,sometimes);
} //if
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 3.1"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 3.11"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 95"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows NT 3.0"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 98"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows NT 4.0"); */
printf("Welcome to Windows 2000");
if (system_ok())
crash(to_dos_prompt)
else
system_memory = open("a:\swp0001.swp",O_CREATE);
while(something)
{
sleep(5);
get_user_input();
sleep(5);
act_on_user_input();
sleep(5);
} // while
create_general_protection_fault();
} // main
:-D -john :-D
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:lol:
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rofl
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can someone send me theese includes plz? :D
#include "win31.h"
#include "win95.h"
#include "win98.h"
#include "workst~1.h"
#include "evenmore.h"
#include "oldstuff.h"
#include "billrulz.h"
#include "monopoly.h"
#include "backdoor.h"
my guess is that there is many more so why not just send me the whole include's dir :)
cheers
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Whoever did the leaking is in deep sh!t for sure. Microsoft will be massively damaged. Mass unemployment is looming in the IT sector. Microsoft, the US Exchequer, and thousands of businesses are set to lose billions. And let's face it: the authorities treat the loss of such money as greater than the loss of hundreds of lives. Microsoft have friends in the US government, and you can be sure they'll use everything they have to track down the source of the leak and any of the primary download sources around him/her.
This isn't like pirating mp3 or even Half Life 2 source: don't get it wrong, the authorities will take this very, very seriously if it's true (and it seems to be). I bet more than one person got their door kicked down by a SWAT team yesterday. ;)
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Thought this was funny, found it on the BBC News Website (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3485545.stm):
for Microsoft to have this code paraded in public is hugely embarrassing. Not least because the code is littered with profanity and might show that many Microsoft programmers do not do a very good job.
Littered with profanity?!!!! :-o
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Littered with profanity?!!!!
You should see the sources to my employers fruit machines ;-) Generally, the more the projects go on, the more the programmers hate the machine, and the more profanity appears in the sources :-D
In fact, a quick grep for the F word in my current project pulls up 19 results ;-)
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It is possible that MS dont see this as a totally bad thing. They have been struggling for some time with a lot of people/businesses that dont want to upgrade and this could perhaps be a solution when they finally get Longhorn out.
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@KennyR
According to this (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=96614&cid=8266501) story, it looks as though someone 'walked' straight into their FTP server and helped themselves.
The stories vary how much was actually downloaded though. This file is reported to be just over 600MB uncompressed. The whole source is reported to be in excess of 20GB, so this would appear to be a very small part. Mind you, time will tell if there is any more code available.
-john
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for Microsoft to have this code paraded in public is hugely embarrassing. Not least because the code is littered with profanity and might show that many Microsoft programmers do not do a very good job.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
/me struggles to inhale...
Sure, like we need to see /* ###ing ###cks ###! */ to know MS programmers aren't doing a good job!!
:lol:
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It is possible that MS dont see this as a totally bad thing. They have been struggling for some time with a lot of people/businesses that dont want to upgrade and this could perhaps be a solution when they finally get Longhorn out.
That's really cynical. It was my first thought too.
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From the BBC report again, explaining the meaning of source code
When a program is compiled to become a working program this code is scrambled and becomes unreadable.
Has anybody ever seen the RIFF WAVE loading code from older windows NDKs?
It's bloody scrambled and unreadable already! I dread to think what more important, private code may look like!
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They'll kill themselves sorting through THAT!!!
(http://internet.ls-la.net/pictures/images/Computer/Windows-2000-Buglist.jpg)
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I guess they were using Windows 2000 to run their FTP server :-)
Geez, MyDoom, more security holes, a major source code leak, this has been a bad week for the Redmond Beast. :-D
suckers - Ooop! Did I say that out loud? ;-)
Hopefully this will encourage people to find other solutions to their computing needs.
And you can bet there'll be no weekend for Microsoft employees this week - I do have sympathy for them there. :-(
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@ vortexau
:lol:
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Uh, spooky #### goin on at that Neowin site. Those tooltip links. Internet... source code.. e.tc. does not appear as links in the source of the page. Wonder how that works.
Seems to have something to do with this (http://www.vibrantmedia.com) however.
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Ya know hackers/crackers would get their hands on and then release their own updates which happen to be trojans...
OOPS! Did I say that out loud? :-D
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HEY!!
Quick! Send an email to Disney about Microsoft's problems! Microsoft has their intention to purchase Disney!!
:whack:
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well i am serious, this is the chance AMIGA , LINUX and MAC has to become world dominant and where windows and m$ will hopefully dissapear :)
whooohoooo :)
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I guess they were using Windows 2000 to run their FTP server
No, see leak (http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1076674118).
BTW: could you consider windows, open source now?
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@Step and Bloodline,
Yep, was thinking the same thing. This could be another ploy to get people to upgrade.
SidMan
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Ya know hackers/crackers would get their hands on and then release their own updates which happen to be trojans...
OOPS! Did I say that out loud?
Yup, I'm so glad I downloaded my ISO before this happened.
OOPS! Did I say that out loud?
:-D
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Lempkee lauded:
well i am serious, this is the chance AMIGA , LINUX and MAC has to become world dominant and where windows and m$ will hopefully dissapear :)
;-) Well, they probably won't disappear over this, unless they lose more in the future. However, they probably will lose a lot of the market share.
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Hmmm? Ever notice how faithful dogs are in regard to their owner's wellbeing?
(http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~vortexau/Pics/dogpooWin.jpg)
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@step / bloodline -
That's really cynical. It was my first thought too.
Actually, I think they'll do that, also... But, even worse, is this scenerio.
From the original Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37648-2004Feb12.html) article, though, we even an even more omnious possibility....
Howard Schmidt, former head of security at Microsoft, said he was less concerned about the security implications of the leak than its potential threat to Microsoft's intellectual property.
"From a security standpoint, this is sort of like capturing a 1956 Russian fighter jet," he said. "Everyone has been beating on Windows 2000 and NT for a long time, and any flaws that may be found have likely been fixed long ago. Frankly, I'd be more worried that someone was going to use this as a base for developing software or another operating system based on Microsoft's proprietary code."
Schmidt left Microsoft in December 2001 to work as a cyber-security official in the Bush administration.
Oh boy, the SCO campaign is working so well, guess who else's source code got spread around..... (sigh)
(edit - fixed a broken link)
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I've been wondering about the SCO angle since it got discussed on Slashdot this morning, and I don't think it's much of an issue now.
Bear in mind a few things:
* For MS to sue someone successfully for using MS IP, they need proof (identical or near identical code)
* Any commercial company has got to be plain stupid, or so incredibly unlikely to reproduce near/identical code without prior knowledge of MS code
* This doesn't affect the Linux community in the slightest. The code isn't going to look even remotely similiar, unless they were stupid enough to use identical variable names or something.
Otherwise it would just be an SCO tactic. And I very much doubt SCO will be successful, because that would mean anyone can point fingers at anyone with no proof/evidence whatsoever.
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Otherwise it would just be an SCO tactic. And I very much doubt SCO will be successful, because that would mean anyone can point fingers at anyone with no proof/evidence whatsoever.
That's just the thing. Regardless of the outcome of the lawsuits, SCO has ALREADY been highly successful. They have had the chance to plaster FUD everywhere. They have managed to slow the adoption of Free software, and, somehow, they have even found a few sympathisers along the way.
Now, imagine Microsoft launching a similar campaign. They already have the size and employment numbers. They already have the US government in their pocket. They could probably win the FUD campaign AND the lawsuits against pretty much any target they choose.... Regardless of the facts. Image is everything. Facts can say whatever you want them to.
What if the leaked code actually contained MS code taken from Linux? Let's say some lazy Redmond programmers stole a few routines and took an extra vacation in the time they saved. Well, those segments happened to be in the "leaked" code. Now it's just a "he said / she said" argument over who wrote the code.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Microsoft will go out and use this technique except as a last resort... But a painful doomsday weapon it could be....
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Well, I reckon Ms leaked it themselves...
And now they'll pipe up how Win2k etc can't be guarenteed secure anymore ..Which lets Ms off the security breach updates ..
AND
[Sales mode on]
Of course ...If you buy our latest... (Longhorn?) it will, Of course, be absolutely safe !! (And we make heaps more dosh in the process).
[/Sales mode off]
Its SO obvious.
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cool! are the source code of internet explorer inside of this win source? =) send me for compile!!! whahahaha
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That's just the thing. Regardless of the outcome of the lawsuits, SCO has ALREADY been highly successful.
Not if you measure by a yardstick of commercial success. Which is what their intention was. Either by being bought by IBM (which would be great for SCO stockholders), or getting business to pay for "Linux licenses".
They have had the chance to plaster FUD everywhere. They have managed to slow the adoption of Free software, and, somehow, they have even found a few sympathisers along the way.
As MS have been funding their efforts, that might well have been MS's intention.
The only flaw in your idea is that MS would get a horrendously bad reputation with everyone for what is basically trying to extort money from people that MS have no right to. And they wouldn't succeed for the exact reasons I previously described. No proof, unless someone blatantly plagiarises their code, which would be really dumb.
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This "could" increase the amount of virus' and what not, meaning people will grow even more tired of winblows, ecspecially when they are offered alternatives that come with the ease of use, but will a LOT less hassel.
I don't think this wil benafit Amiga at all, as the commen computer user does not have an EXPENSIVE Amiga or Peg sitting about.
It "might" help out alternative X86 OS's over the next few years, unfortunatly Linux is the most popular and most widely known of those alternatives and will prolly reap the most benafits, if they can make it easy to use that is.
Too bad BeOS ain't around still, microsoft really screwed them outta the home computer sceen back in the day with that damn Boot Sector contract, otherwise Be might possibly be reaping a lot of attention like never before!
Another side benafit for this is that it could help out projects like WINE, and ReactOS that are working on way to run WInblows programs without having WInblows. THey would just have to be careful to change what sources they were using enough not to get there butts in trouble.
I think this is funny, I love it, hopefully some day Microsoft will fully take a Karmic blow, and perhaps OS' that are more deserving to dominate the market will some day take the stage...
...you know? Os's that were not stolen from someone, or rip off someone else's idea, OS's that were researched out the but and made with blood sweat and tears...
....kinda like Be, Amiga or the new SKyOS.
Linux IS BLOAT, and more annoying that M$ so I don't count them, and I don't care if you can boot into a CLI based interface off a floppy, Amiga booted into a Multi-tasking GUI off half a floppy!!!! ;p
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My bandwidth is low.
Can somebody burn a CD and send it to me?? :-D
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Too bad BeOS ain't around still, microsoft really screwed them outta the home computer sceen back in the day with that damn Boot Sector contract, otherwise Be might possibly be reaping a lot of attention like never before!
I think the real problem was Be just gave up.
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Humm... I am wondering if this may be a ploy to see if linux developers would alter code and or include some of the code in the Linux OS for the purpose of possable law suites against Linux companies.
to try to squash out the Linux Community through leagle litigation for use of the code.
"This initiative was started to counter the success of the open source movement which is based around the freedom to inspect and play with the source code of computer programs."
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The source code of NotePad and MSPaint. Big deal!
Of course it's a marketing ploy.
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It is also supposed to have references to old M$ projects...
AmigaBASIC anyone? :-P
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I think the real problem was Be just gave up.
Hmmm, that certainly is NOT the impression I got.
Be had been running on empty for a long time. Their investors had to have been VERY loyal to be so patient... and then end up with a loss anyway.
I think Be had plenty of determination to make BeOS work, IMHO the failure lay in the business plan. There were many separate problems - I think for starters they spread themselves too thin and in the wrong places. However, when Microsoft stomped out the OEM deals with Hitachi and other PC manufacturers, that would have been one of the last straws.
Of course, it is debatable whether Be, Inc. would have survived even if Microsoft hadn't done an IBM on them, but personally I think it could have been the break they needed, and MS made sure they didn't get it.
Cheers,
- Paul