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Title: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: selco on January 08, 2004, 06:52:13 PM
Well, we are not affected, but it is very interesting IMHO. Photoshop "interprets" pictures and decides wether to censore that picture or not!

Check it out here (http://groups.google.de/groups?dq=&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&th=d45dca66e73eca3b&seekm=Ot6Lb.22442%24P%251.21449614%40newssvr28.news.prodigy.com#link1).

Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Kronos on January 08, 2004, 06:55:49 PM
Could someone pleas chance that 2-mile-long URL ?

A.org is a pain to read in UW-mode  :-o
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Kronos on January 08, 2004, 06:59:32 PM
Ahhhhhh...
That's better  ;-)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Ilwrath on January 08, 2004, 07:11:25 PM
Anyone actually test this?  To me, it sounds like paranoia of some of the new text in Adobe's EULA....
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Glaucus on January 08, 2004, 07:53:08 PM
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Anyone actually test this?
It does sound a bit far fetched doesn't it? Why would Adobe care about counterfitting money anyway, unless they were ordered to do something like that. Weird. I'd still like to know how it's done (or would be done)!

  - Mike
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Ilwrath on January 08, 2004, 09:06:17 PM
Hmm... And exactly as I suspected, Photoshop CS had no problem opening a scan of a 2004 series 20USD that I scanned at 300dpi.

I say this is complete nonsense.  Someone's going to have to post a test sample to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: System on January 08, 2004, 09:10:00 PM
I guess the US Treasury will not be using Photoshop for future currency design and will have to find a different image program for their job... :)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: HopperJF on January 08, 2004, 09:28:54 PM
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I guess the US Treasury will not be using Photoshop for future currency design and will have to find a different image program for their job... :)


LOL :lol: :pint:
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Step on January 08, 2004, 09:51:03 PM
Oh, come on. Who cares about money censorship anyway, its the porn that matters. When that happens  :-o
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Martyn on January 09, 2004, 02:05:42 PM
@Ilwrath

Here (http://www.the-inquirer.net/?article=13522)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Ilwrath on January 09, 2004, 05:32:21 PM
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"The current implementation of CDS will prevent you from scanning in banknotes [...]"


Ah..... THAT may be the case.  I didn't use a TWAIN image acquisition.  I run BetaScan on my old Mustek SCSI scanner.  Certainly there is nothing in Photoshop that stops you from opening certain images based on image content.

I bet current TWAIN drivers tag images as "restricted" when they encounter certain moire patterns (patterns used to intentionally disrupt copiers).

Photoshop then respects the "restricted" tag, and refuses to open the image.  So, photoshop isn't making a judgement on the image, it is just respecting the "restricted" flag, which shouldn't be set, unless the image had a certain pattern in it when it was scanned.

That would be a way to get that sort of thing into computers without much fuss or hassle.  And, under current laws, I believe it would be illegal to remove the moire detecting code from scanners/drivers, just as it is illegal to remove it from modern copiers.

I should try this on my mum's new HP scanner and see what happens.
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: vortexau on January 10, 2004, 08:33:23 AM
Hmmm! Sounds like that Photoshop CS wouldn't handle this image (http://www.wsu.edu/~amerstu/pop/images/benetton.jpg) without protest?  :-o

(Image from articles about censorship (http://www.wsu.edu/~amerstu/pop/censor.html))
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: JimS on January 10, 2004, 02:23:13 PM
I saw them demo this on TchTV's "The Screen Savers" Friday show. Photoshop CS would not scan a US $20 bill. They said other currencies as well, but didn't show this. Nothing was said about opening scans made by other means...  So keep your old software :-)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: DanDude on January 10, 2004, 05:05:17 PM
About currency???  I don't give a rat's ass about it.

Who cares!
 :boohoo:

I caught someone handing me a fake $10 back then....I told them to leave and never come back.
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Waccoon on January 10, 2004, 06:38:53 PM
Maybe if American bills weren't so damn easy to copy, stuff like this wouldn't be a problem.  It amazes me to see money from all of the poor countries of the world that look like tapestries... and in THIS arrogant coutry, we have the plain, old, ugly greenback.  If a bill is worth $20, shouldn't it cost more than a few cents to print?

Also, according to the Inquiror, the technology was commisioned by the CBCDG.  Give Adobe money to keep people from scanning money.  That makes sense.

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Oh, come on. Who cares about money censorship anyway, its the porn that matters. When that happens

If that happens, go furry.  That'll solve the problem.  ;-)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: Ilwrath on January 11, 2004, 07:43:39 AM
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I saw them demo this on TchTV's "The Screen Savers" Friday show. Photoshop CS would not scan a US $20 bill. They said other currencies as well, but didn't show this. Nothing was said about opening scans made by other means...  


Yeah... This would be consistant with the modern scanners being able to recognize moire patterns.  I imagine that the detection is happening in the TWAIN driver, and then being passed on as a restricted image, which Photoshop CS refuses to touch.  Photoshop 6 and 7 both respected the "Copyrighted" image flag, as well, so it doesn't seem much of a stretch that they'd handle a restricted flag.

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So keep your old software


At least keep the knowledge of how to scan things directly into an image, without using a standardized TWAIN driver.  ;-)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: cecilia on January 11, 2004, 03:41:18 PM
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Maybe if American bills weren't so damn easy to copy,
i guess you haven't seen the new 20 dollar bills?

you can't copy the Security Thread, or the new ink (in certain areas) which, as you move the bill around, changes color slightly. check out more here:

http://www.moneyfactory.com/cd042500/security.html (http://www.moneyfactory.com/cd042500/security.html)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: JimS on January 11, 2004, 07:25:12 PM
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Maybe if American bills weren't so damn easy to copy, stuff like this wouldn't be a problem. It amazes me to see money from all of the poor countries of the world that look like tapestries... and in THIS arrogant coutry, we have the plain, old, ugly greenback

Well, the US banknotes are considered 'classics' and as such represent stabilty & such...  Personally, I think much of the foreign currency I've seen looks like Monopoly money. A bit garish for my tastes. :-) But to each his own... and I'll spend it regardless of what it looks like, :-)
Title: Re: Photoshop Censorship
Post by: JimS on January 14, 2004, 06:02:19 PM
Here's a bit more from Wired...

http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,61890,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2