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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: Rogue on December 25, 2003, 06:22:42 PM
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Leuven, Belgium. - December 25, 2003
Hyperion Entertainment and Metropolis Software have extended their existing license agreement for "Gorky 17", Metropolis´ critically acclaimed RPG/Strategy title, to cover not only Linux but also the upcoming AmigaOS 4.
Gorky 17 is a horror conspiracy game mixing elements of strategy and RPG gameplay. The player commands a small group of NATO soldiers who must reveal the mystery behind the sudden appearance of hybrid creatures in a small Polish city named Lubin. The city is being terrorized, the area is surrounded by NATO troops and media from all over the world, and the first group sent into the city disappears without a trace. The main hero of the story is the 40-year old soldier Cole Sullivan, a commando team member with extensive scientific knowledge. His team´s task: to explain the hybrids´ presence and to find the missing members of Group One. But that, of course, is just the beginning...
The AmigaOS 4.0 port is already well under way as can be seen on the screenshots on Hyperion Entertainment's Website (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/)
The Amiga and Linux ports are being carried out by Steven Fuller and Joe Tennies who are recent "converts" to the Amiga platform after they recently joined the Hyperion Entertainment game development team.
Steven Fuller and Joe Tennies have an impressive track-record in the field of Linux (gaming) related development.
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Looooooking GOOD :-o
Thanks Hyperion!
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Super. Now all we need is an OS to run it.
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Check the screens! It runs on PPC/OS4 :-)
We'll have the OS soon, at least the beta ;-)
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Well.. kinda old isn't it?
Anyway, the more games we get the better.. just hope the Amiga version is better than what I've heard the mac one was..
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My comment shouldn't be taken too serious, it was just a weak attempt at humor when Dammy brought up this ANN link :-) Actually, I only ever tried the Mac version of Gorky 17 once on my G3/350, and didn't have any problem at all. There had been substantial changes between 10.1 and 10.2 though.
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:lol:
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Rouge:exellent news and yes i am looking forward to this game, oh and i had no problems when we tested this on an os4 tour some time ago so , as far as i know ann.lu threads was all about mozzing along (blue trolls) .
gorky17 looks like a game i want to play alot but i dont know yet as i will need to buy it when its done :)
cheers
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lets get that OS out first for f-sake until then I am off to play Call Of Duty and Homeworld 2...
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Well ...
I've already tried OS4 at the Alchimie, and I will try it when
released if I can.
tsss, You are not very curious :-P
Anyway, I'm half as evil as you think I am:-)
Bye, Merry Christmas !
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@ Rogue
It works both ways BTW, why don't you try OS 4 when it's out?
Speaking for myself here (of course), I have tried almost every Amiga solution that has been out there, ranging from OS 1.2 (earlier too, through WinUAE) to AROS and MorphOS. I would love to "try OS4" too, but I am sorry, there is no chance on this earth that I will spend 800-1000 Euros to put together an Articia/Teron system just to do that. I had a Blizzard PPC once, but that was a long time ago, and my A1200 is not in the condition it used to be anyway. So what options do I have to "try OS4"?
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>BTW, why don't you try OS 4 when it's out?
Maybe he wants to.
And maybe he also wants to try out SoF, Worms,
Alien Nations, Sin, Majesty, Midnight Racing or
Real3D.
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Seriously, why will OS4 port be better then your Mac port?
Dammy, 100% PPC free
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Poster: Rogue Date: 2003/12/25 21:48:19
It wasn't any more cynical than Dammy's attempt to discredit the whole affair.
How the heck can I attempt to discredit it by linking this (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1071783886&category=web&start=1&21#message4)?
Dammy
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Please confine your comments to Hyperion, Metropolis, AmigaOS 4, and Gorky 17. AKA Stay on Topic. No more of this AOS vs MOS trolling, flaming, crap, etc.
Hyperion are not doing a port for MOS. Rouge isn't interested in MOS. Accept these as facts. If he changes his mind, he changes his mind. If Hyperion does a port of something, they do a port. Trying to force people to your point of view just doesn't work. Then again some people could try attempt to be pursuasive and not say stuff like, " Why not try it?" "Don't you like it?" "Your just biased" or "I'll send you a board". I really get the feeling that noone here has ever taken a persuasive speaking class.
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Amiga OS 4 World Tour
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Everytime there is some good news for us amiga users, the thread turns into a flame/troll party :-(
I for one is happy for this game.. Good job hyperion :-)
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Please explain the point you are trying to make. Can you point to other reviews? One review only shows one point of view. Do you feel that if the Mac version was ill recieved that will bode the same for the Amiga version?
I'm not trying to slam you post, just trying to spur a sensable discussion.
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You mean these?
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/_amiga/news_031225.html (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/_amiga/news_031225.html)
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Alien Nations and Majesty are Titan titles.
They subsequently renegged on their contract so you won't be seeing them for us.
SOF and SIN can't even run on the Cyberstorm and Blizzard hardware although the SIN port is finished.
Worms is on hold pending release of OS 4 as is Midnight racing.
Realsoft is still being worked on and will be available after OS 4 is released.
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Thanks for the continued effort HyperionMP and other Hyperioners to get the Amiga into gear again.
I will be supporting this all the way and buy every game that is released for AmigaOS 4 including this one.
Also can't wait to get Quake 2 running on the AmigaOne. Runs good on the BlizzardPPC but now I wan't to see the FPS.
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Seriously, why will OS4 port be better then your Mac port?
* It wasn't "my" Mac port. If you had read my now moderated comments, you'd know that I only seen it once.
* As I said before, the original press release states who does the port.
(Read this message before it gets moderated)
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Wow, this one went wrong.
There are a few games I'd like to see ported but I might get moderated for saying so ;-)
Keep it up Hyperion. Not everyone will like every game you guys port but that's down to individuals tastes in games at the end of the day.
I'm sure your port will be true to the original.
Merry XMas, FuZion.
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why are the comments EDITED??
i mean, why do people expect hyperion to support GENESI ??? , is the world on drugs??
sorry but i think that the xmas lasted very long and infact too long as the trolls are now back OH and check an earlier hyperion thread some time ago and look who trolled there... JEEZ!
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>i mean, why do people expect hyperion to support GENESI ??? , is the world on drugs??
Ok I don't know what you mean by "supporting Genesi", but surely a MOS port could/would mean additional sales.
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It's strange reading a thread so streched to absolutes. It's either "Hyperion suck and must die!" (without looking back at their good ports) or "Well done Hyperion, you rule!!!!" (without taking consideration of their bad ones).
Well this is an Amiga site still aint it? .
I would think that most ppl here are only intrested in the quality of Amiga ports and thus far i have not come across a bad port to the amiga platform from hyperion.
Weather the games are any good in the first place is another matter.
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hooligan: sure but as its have been proved before there is no one buying stuff on pegasos , atleast thats what they say, there is atleast 600+ units sold and still their mos only game is still one of the most dissapointing sales ever on amiga..
what i meant with supporting GENESI was , if hyperion spewed out ports for morphos etc then they would jepordize their own os , amiga and mos is small so it wont take much and the better options for games and tools the more people will atleast consider a jumpship.
anyway the fact is that this war was started by the mos people and now (again) they got the NO MOS port planned etc and they start screaming , i did the same back when i was going the AmigaOs4 way and saw that all the planned games now was MOS only , so its more like payback times it feels..
anyway i am glad we will get competetion and people will stick to what themself think is correct and since i am a developer myself i clearly have reasons why i am an Amiga user and why i stuck to this since 1985 , i dont move up or down just because of titles but i had hoped for a somewhat less stressed out market mix (amigaos VS. morphos)
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@lempkee
You never stop to amaze me ....
Who is "they" ?? And who gave you the sales figures for K&M ?
I don't know, but I do know what Michael from e.p.i.c. told me in Rotterdam about
how K&M sold compared to their last Amiga titles (SW-Tycoon/Feeble-Files),
and that was somewhat contradicting what you say here ....
But both sides will suffer from the same effects, loose out one sales for (emulated) 68k
and the other PPC-option, but boost sales from people ony their side.
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i still hope that there sometime will be people holding hands again in the amiga scene, but i feel that hyperion is in the right place to do what they have done + epic had the option to pay for an morphos liscense as rouge pointed out earlier.
oh and a liscense cost money, increasing sales for an morphos version might so be it but it wont ever justify the cost of the extra liscense, or?.
somewhere in the future we will see that 2 plattforms was infact a good and BAD idea escpecially when it comes to liscense and such, but then again i think everything will be great in the future as then both amigaos4 and morphos will have over 20.000 users ....maybe..
thats my newyears wish anyway..
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@Lempkee
>hooligan: sure but as its have been proved before there is no one buying stuff on pegasos , atleast thats what they say, there is atleast 600+ units sold and still their mos only game is still one of the most dissapointing sales ever on amiga..
But I am not talking about NOW, but about the future (when hopefully there are much more Pegasos' and A1+OS4 on the market). Why don't we all forget Pegasos1 and concentrate on what happens next.
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Poster: dammy Date: 2003/12/25 19:34:23
Is this really a good idea?
Dammy
nice to see Amiga.org moderation being as unbiased as ever.
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kronos: feeble and software tycoon have bombed also, luckyly for them they are now in the superbundle (or heh has been for quite a while).
and for the source of the sales figures, from my publisher.
pps:u never stop to amaze me either :)
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hooligan: i deeply agree with you on that one and that you know so well, but the thing is ..this war was started on the blue side and its most likely they have to stop that before anything else is to be done, oh well its a scenario i want anyway.
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Take it to the Forums. Stay on topic. Don't bash Hyperion or it's employees for not making Morphos ports. If you feel that past ports to Amiga or the same title to another platform is relivant, state why you feel so. This is not aimed at Lempkee, but everyone.
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It's about the game so I let it stay, even though it did sort of start this mess. It was a tough call. I gave him the benifit of doubt that he might have had a point and asked that he state so. Hey, It's Christmas and the Yuletide Season.
You however did not need to bring Mos into it. Joking or not. It doesn't even matter much what context it was mentioned in other than an Amiga OS topic. Some little turd would grab on to that and degenerate the whole rest of the comments into Mos vs Amiga.
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Thank You!
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I believe he means "Port" or was he being too obtuse for you.
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Go argo! Long time since I saw the mods that active here :-).
re topic: Good news, haven't got a clue what that game is but more is always better :-).
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Thank you Argo.
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re topic: Good news, haven't got a clue what that game is but more is always better
One of my favs, well worth the price :-)
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takemehomegrandma:sorry but i dont think the dinner 2 days ago did you well :)))
anyway while i was sleeping heaps of comments in this thread was removed and that made me wonder as i saw them before i went to bed and it wasnt about trolling, it was infact a statement from hyperion.
and as far as the WAR goes, we all know who started that and we all know who lost in it, but i am sure the war will continue till the end is here.
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The problem with "officials" hiding away on a little site in the outscirts of the community, is that people who don't go there (like me) will miss all the information.
the stats (http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?a=1&w=468&h=240&r=1m&u=&u=www.amiga.org&u=www.amigaworld.net&u=www.ann.lu&)
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Yeah, it's amazing how many people like the safe absolute dictatorship of AW, to protect them from non red-trolls, free speech, and hard facts.
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@ Alkemyst
the stats
:-o
Wow, that looks like a Seismograph during an earthquake, where the needle goes from one extreme to another, back and forth, all the time. :-D
And you DO realize that alexa isn't THE stats, it's "SOME KIND" of stats? To me, this has the same amusement level as horoscopes (and I am not particularly amused by horoscopes), and it's just about as useful.
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anyway i didnt want to make the situation any worse, it was a missunderstanding imho..
OK! :-)
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This is ridiculous....
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Unbelievable. :-x
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rachy:yer work is highly appriciated.
and there is comming another game aswell as the one u are mentioning so :)
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Stay on Topic.
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Hyperion are not doing a port for MOS. Rouge isn't interested in MOS. Accept these as facts.
Hey, as a potential user of this Gorky program, I'm just interested in why I can't run it on my Pegasos, and why I must rush out to buy another platform.
Is that not a valid question to the developer of the software?
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Looks like 2003 is going out with a bang !!
May 2004 bring a more serene community.
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Ok.. It's good there will be some games from Hyperion. As OS4 itself ain't likely to break even, so it's essential to Hyperion to release as many games as possible to balance the cost of OS making.
But at the same time, I have to say I don't understand why this one particular game is so important to so many people that it's worth of 100 comments (and apparently some flamewars) ... It's never been any major game on orher systems, not one of those must have games even in it's own genre.
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warning: ot, but just an observation...
/me wonders how long it will take before I am blamed for the moderation of this thread, despite the fact that I spent the evening 45 miles away from my computer?
:-D
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Poster: Rogue Date: 2003/12/26 11:49:11
He didn't need to bring the Mac version in. You use two different measures.
Same software house is doing the port which would lead most people to wonder just how much is it going to be OS-X like in quality.
It started to degenerate the moment that Dammy brought it up. It served only one single purpose - to get bad publicity to Hyperion.
After seeing that review of Hyperion's work posted on ANN, it was pretty stupid of Hyperion to commit to it without either publically owning up to a poorly done port, or explain why there is a huge difference that will cover the lacking in the OS-X port. I gave you a good window to redeem Hyperion, and I get whining. Yeah, that's impressive, not.
Don't tell me it is any other way. I said repeatedly that the Mac version and Amiga version don't come from the same author.
It's the same company, isn't? Some poorly done game is released by Hyperion, and we should all ignore it? Yeah, right. That makes for a real impressive "Hyperion Seal of Approval" for anything released by Hyperion, now doesn't? I guess quality doesn't count in the software house of Hyperion, regardless on who the coder was.
When a sporting team loses, it's not the fault of the worst player, it's the entire team's fault even though the Coach should publically take full responsibility for the loss. Perhaps BBRV could give some leadership classes, as a friendly jester to Hyprion.
Dammy
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Yeah, it's amazing how many people like the safe absolute dictatorship of AW, to protect them from non red-trolls, free speech, and hard facts.
I find your blindness and narrow-sightness rather amusing. You talk about dictatorship on AW.net when almost a complete thread got axed here by the moderators, and it wasn't even as bad as some other threads are. And, as I pointed out (which you will surely disagree because you are a blue troll and I am a red troll) the moderation was biased.
Free speech? I didn't experience that here.
Hard facts? All my reasoning was deleted.
Non-Red trolls? They where left alive, while I was not.
So much for your hard facts.
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I don't understand why this one particular game is so important to so many people that it's worth of 100 comments (and apparently some flamewars)
It's neither the game itself nor the comments, and the flaming only happened after Argo put the moderation axe to it. He completely overdid moderation in most posts, but left some others (most notably Dammy's first posting that got moderated in the meantime too).
That is what me off. At the same time you see people like KennyR moan about over-moderation on AW.net.
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Same software house is doing the port which would lead most people to wonder just how much is it going to be OS-X like in quality.
Like I said, I have seen it running on OS X without any problem. It was a single bad review. As I also pointed out (before it got moderated by Argo) was that the press release mentions the authors that are doing the Amiga port.
Some poorly done game is released by Hyperion, and we should all ignore it? Yeah, right.
Hyperion didn't release it. Epic released it. It happened to be that someone that works for Hyperion also did the port for Epic, someone that is not even mentioned in the press release.
I guess quality doesn't count in the software house of Hyperion, regardless on who the coder was.
This just shows it. For the last time, it was Epic's game, not Hyperion's. If you have trouble with it, complain to Epic not to Hyperion.
When a sporting team loses, it's not the fault of the worst player, it's the entire team's fault even though the Coach should publically take full responsibility for the loss.
Like I said, it's not a Hyperion game. But I guess you are just ignoring the facts for your own goodness.
OK, can someone please moderate me.
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I'm looking forward to see the Amiga port of Gorky17, even though it never was a price winning game, really.
IMHO: Game ports done by Hyperion have mostly been very good. I expect also this to be very good.
btw. will AOS4 CD have preview/demo versions of Hyperion games on it? Also Gorky17?
Also AOS4 updates for all already released Hyperion games?
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@Rogue
>I find your blindness and narrow-sightness rather amusing. You talk about dictatorship on AW.net when almost a complete thread got axed here by the moderators
Moderator, not moderators. It was a oneman show.
Hopefully this was the last time moderation is taken so seriously. I'd go even as far as saying maybe the strict moderation here even feed the bad seed.
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Same old , same old, same old :-(
@ The most vocal
I never really understand what people would like to see. Amiga.org is a web forum, AmigaWorld.net is a web forum. Ann.luu is a web forum....etc... you get the picture.
All have different policies and all attract different visitors. Why should the visitors of one site feel the need to attack visitors of another.
Why follow the activity on other sites closely and jump on any chance to criticise, mock and patronise?? Surely time could be spent doing much better things.
Try to step back a little and look at yourself from a distance and make an honest judgement. Is this normal?
Is there a need to verbally attack each other?
At this moment in time we need to get together and push our platform forward. Whatever flavour we choose it's from the same root and that root is very weak. I fear that the platform's progress will be stifled by the shortsightedness of its own users .
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Oh and to get back on topic.
The more games available for the Amigoid platforms the better. Everyone has a different taste when it comes to games. I don't like the type where you just blast away anything in sight, instead I prefer those that are a little more involved, where you have to think a little and use a bit of strategy. If this game falls into the latter category and if I like it when it is released I will probably buy it :-D
If you don't like a game dont buy it :-P avoid the greif, misery and early white hairs by not getting too deeply involved with every release that you will never buy anyway. Trust me, your life will be the better for it.
Lets put our differences aside. Lets stop the flames right here.
:-)
Have a happy , happy new year to ALL folks on ALL Amiga sites. :-D :-D :-D :-)
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Why is people whining about no ports for mos, when you allready said that the game sucked?? Why do you want a game that you say sucks?
I have also seen many games being released only for mos, i have seen no complaints then... sigh
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Why is people whining about no ports for mos, when you allready said that the game sucked??
May I ask you, **exactly** who is "who" here? Are you perhaps mixing people up? :-?
Why do you want a game that you say sucks?
What makes you think that the people who thinks the game sucks will want it?
I am quite sure that most of the people that thinks the game sucks, doesn't want it!
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May I ask you, **exactly** who is "who" here? Are you perhaps mixing people up?
I cannot tell you that, as most posts where moderated..
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Christ on a bike!
A new game port is announced and this bollox ensues?
@Hyperion crew:
Keep plugging away guys - I'm sure I for one will appreciate your efforts. Cheers! :pint:
@All the "my site's better than your site" idiots:
Give it a rest FFS!
1. I'm a frequent visitor to Morphzone, because I use MorphOS on my Pegasos.
2. I'm an occassional visitor to AW.net, because, sat right next to the peg, is an A1.
3. I visit ann.lu most days for general amiga news (it's still best for that) and to laugh at the ridiculously childish arguments that seem to be a permanent fixture.
4. I practically *live* here at amiga.org because it's my favourite site on the internet to have a bit of a laugh and debate about *anything* and get help with computer problems. I have had help on here for my A1200, my A1, my Pegasos and even a PC.
Now why can't you all just chill out?
I like all of the sites - that's why I visit them. If I didn't, I wouldn't go there but I wouldn't try to stop other people going there.
Honestly! :roll:
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Good work Hyperion,
No matter what game you port you have guaranteed sales even if the buyer does not even want/like the game.
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Geesh, don't take it personal.
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why do people expect hyperion to support GENESI ???
Don't know. I always assume that a company will always act in their own perceved best interest and not in my best interest. One can only hope that those to things overlap to an accepable degree.
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I think you pretty much got the gist for the moderation.
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Merry Christmas to you too. While it was a trolling comment. I did feel that it did have a very small bit of merit to it that should be explored.
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Too bad most posters here only see in Blue and Red.
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I considered it. I might still do it. Though unknown circumstance, at the moment, may make that a moot point.
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Which way would you say I'm biased? I'd probably be surprise by your answer.
Oh, your account. Don't worry about it.
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Somebody "Won" the "War"? When was this? I though it was still going on. Oh, and the ending will really surprise everyone. :-D
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Yup, that's Moderation. Damed if you do, Damned if you don't.
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Huh?
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Oh, it'll go out with a bang!
But not on a good note, as will be noted by the missing man formation. :-x
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They were moderated. They feel jipped on their air time on the soapbox. Everyone else is just curious. Sort of like looking at an auto accident as you drive by.
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Oh, this is so your fault. Your site, your design, your servers, you made me an admin. Yup, your to blame for everything. :-P
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Why couldn't you have been this verbose in your first post? We really should have a 50 word minium for posts. Oh, well, too late for that now.
I do have one question though. Was it Hyperion that was contracted to do the port or was it that Epic contracted a Hyperion employee, independant of Hyperion, to do the port?
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Well, I have to sleep at some point and well, there really isn't much of a point in moderating the rest of the post at this point since we're headed for the big moderation. Uh, you'll understand in a few days. Unless a miricle happens.
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So the port was done outside of his employment at Hyperion? So, your saying that this guy that did the Mac port is not a very good programmer?
Not trying to slam Hyperion. I just want to know the circumstances of the whole things as it would help clarify things and hopefully shut some people up.
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because they dont' have it. If it's Amiga they want it. It's okay for Morphos to have exclusive games/programs but not for Amiga OS 4.0. Screwy, ain't it.
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Ask Santa, He knows who's been naughty and he knows who's been nice. He checks his list twice just for accuracy. :-D
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What's this then? Argo-super-monologue? :-D
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Just wanted to get my yearly post count up before the end. :-D
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:lol:
I thought my browser was broken! (I hope it's just argo...)
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Sorry, just had the urge to get in the last word.
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@Argo
care to edit those replies with names who you replied to :)
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@Rogue
Like I said, I have seen it running on OS X without any problem.
That's why EPIC is withdrawing it from the maket, then?
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falemagn wrote:
@Rogue
Like I said, I have seen it running on OS X without any problem.
That's why EPIC is withdrawing it from the maket, then?
If they (EPIC) are withdrawing it from the maket ... then why the f**k are they selling it on their website???
https://ssl.kundenserver.de/order.titan-computer.com/epic/shop.html (https://ssl.kundenserver.de/order.titan-computer.com/epic/shop.html)
And as a lot has changed in MacOS X since 03/2002 when EPIC released it ... it might have worked on the older versions ... and not on the new versions ... And as Hyperion now only work on projects which licenses they own themselves ... EPIC might not be able to do the work themselves :-?
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http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1072636985&category=forum&number=301#comment
Likewise, Gorky 17 was ported by Steffen Hauser, and not by us. It is my understanding that payment was never completed due to the bugs in the game that Steffen either couldn't or wouldn't fix. It is also my current understanding that this game has been or is being withdrawn from sale by us due to issues with it and OS X.
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To take the rest of the section ...
... I do not know much more on the matter, but I do know I have never had problem obtaining payment for my work from e.p.i.c (sometimes it is delayed, but I always get paid in the end) and I would not be working on porting Divine Divinity for them if I was not happy with working conditions.
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it looks like that [JC] has developed "something" for EPIC ... He is not from EPIC ... So it is not sure that he has any idea of the real world ... And to my other post ... why do they sell it, if they ...that this game has been or is being withdrawn from sale...
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it looks like that [JC] has developed "something" for EPIC
In another post he says that he works for e.p.i.c. and, besides, if he knows that Hauser hasn't been fully paid, and if he knows why, why shouldn't he know the rest?
Let Hauser make any counterclaims, if he doesn't, I don't see why I shouldn't believe [JC].
As for gorky being still on sale... dunno, but you should check in the stores as well.
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Hooligan:
I might, then again you could just try the nested view.
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The first the best Mac site (http://www.macgames.co.uk/DeGork502165.html) I could find, and they still sell it ... and as I posted before ... EPIC still sells it ... So I don't believe him!
Everyone can write what they want ... not everything is real!
And about Steffen (and the rest of the Hyperion team) ... Why should they read every post on ann.lu ... and comment on every crap that all the Trolls write (and how should they be able to find all the crap)?
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And about Steffen (and the rest of the Hyperion team) ... Why should they read every post on ann.lu ... and comment on every crap that all the Trolls write (and how should they be able to find all the crap)?
They always find all the crap they want, it seems, so why not also this one? It's also here in this thread now, and they have posted here. They'll surely see it here now, if they don't reply, then it's true.
If you're in doubt, just ask Hauser directly.
[color=FF0000]UPDATE[/color]
S. Hauser sent me a PM telling me his side of the story regarding the payment and why the bugs weren't fixed, but he hasn't addressed the issue of the withdrawal of the game.
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falemagn:
You mean this?
Sent: 2003/12/30 10:15:18
Gorky Thread
Hi!
Comment to your post on that Gorky thread: The points a certain review criticized about the Gorky port where not noticed by the QA at e.p.i.c interactive. They were not noticed by the QA done by the manufacturers of the Windows version. I would still have done a bugfix (actually I did two minor bugfix) after I was notified about it if e.p.i.c would not have stopped paying me.
QA was not done by me. The contract clearly specified this as e.p.i.cs job. Neither was Betatesting done by me. This was also specified as e.p.i.cs job.
I cannot work for free.
If you want to judge how good a coder I am have a look at my Quake 2 port. I have to admit I am really p*ssed off by such remarks. You have also to see that the original source-code of Gorky 17 was in a shape I would "normally" describe as "unportable". It is the least portable game source I ever saw, with the only exception of Alien vs. Predator of course. And Avs.P would have been much more portable even, if it would not have had a D3D Renderer :)
Actually the contract for the Mac G17-version only happened as I (personally, not Hyperion) was in pretty bad financial shape when that offer for the Mac-port came. If I would have known about the way e.p.i.c pays (or pays not :( ) their bills I probably wouldn't have done it.
If you feel any need for further comment, please tell them by email to SteffenH@hyperion-entertainment.com. I have no interest in flame wars on a public forum.
Have a nice day.
Steffen
Took awhile but we're getting down to the facts.
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@Argo
You mean this?
I mean what? What's the stuff you quoted? Certainly that's not the message Hauser sent to me (and if it were you'd have done something miserable by posting it here).
In any case, not even there it's addressed the issue of the withdrawal of the game.
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falemagn wrote:
In any case, not even there it's addressed the issue of the withdrawal of the game.
Why would you want him to post anything about that???
He is not the one selling it ... it is EPIC ... EPIC is the publisher ... and they hold the license!
If you don't g*t it ... you can write to EPIC and ask them!
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Why would you want him to post anything about that???
I don't want anything from anyone, did I ever say I want something? I suggest you to cool down and pay attention to what your interlocutor writes.
Hauser is obviously informed of the facts, he should know if the game is being withdrawed or not. Sure, you can ask e.p.i.c. directly: you're obviously free to do it, it doesn't concern me at all.
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ok ... this is my last post in this thread ...
You are the one attacking Steffen ... about things you should ask EPIC about ... check your sources before you start flaming
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You are the one attacking Steffen ... about things you should ask EPIC about ... check your sources before you start flaming
I'm attacking who? I hope this is just a bad day for you and that tomorrow the sun will shine again :-) I can assure you, though, that I haven't attacked anyone... I really can't see what can be classified as "attack" in any of my posts.
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*sigh* I miss the good old days when everything was peacefull at a.org.. This site has changed dramatically just over the last 2 years...
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*sigh* I miss the good old days when everything was peacefull at a.org.. This site has changed dramatically just over the last 2 years...
Changed? No the site has not changed, the community has simply changed with the times.
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Why do the "luminaries" insist on making complete asses of themselves in public all the time? :(
(That goes for all "sides", in case some campist zealot got confused.)
Now go and sit in the coding-and-running-your-own-company corner, you-know-who...
@Argo
I might [show what I'm replying to], then again you could just try the nested view.
Maybe I've missed something, but there's no "expanded" nested view, right? Any thread with more than say three posts is practically impossible to read in nested mode, having to click on each single post to read it. This is an example of a BAD thread to try nested mode in... ;)
Another thing on the wish list: a javascript "Quote" button here that quotes the entire preceding post, like in the fora.
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Oh, It'll change again... Probably sooner than you think. *sigh*
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Seehund:
Okay, how about threaded. Same thing as nested. Oh, you won't have to worry about javascript here much longer.
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Oh, you won't have to worry about javascript here much longer.
What is with all these hints?
First another moderator hints at some big changes and now another. Also an ex-moderator decides to leave the Amiga scene completely and there are rumours flying around about the webmasters of this site. It stinks of politics.
Has something big gone down?
Why are we being left out of the picture?
I apologise for the speculation but something is definately not right around here, I can feel it.
I hope very much that I am wrong.
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For the last time, it was Epic's game, not Hyperion's. If you have trouble with it, complain to Epic not to Hyperion.
And here's proof:
http://www.epic-interactive.com/english/projects/projects.html (http://www.epic-interactive.com/english/projects/projects.html)
- Mike
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Oh, It'll change again... Probably sooner than you think. *sigh*
Okay, enough with the vague hints, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?
- Mike