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Title: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: cYbo on December 13, 2003, 09:03:30 PM
"Glow Revolution", Special NEW YEAR Power Icon Pack coming soon. Full Workbench icon replacemante, WB Backgrounds, Patterns and more . . .
For more info and release date visit www.lorraine-design.8m.net.

Some Screenshots:
http://www.eskala.co.yu/Amiga/Lorraine/Slike/Amiga/GlowRevolution/Screenshot001.png
http://www.eskala.co.yu/Amiga/Lorraine/Slike/Amiga/GlowRevolution/Screenshot002.png



Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Mr.Carlito on December 13, 2003, 09:34:09 PM
Why "Revolution"?
That color gradation is no evolution does not smooth that.
Individual complete new Icon pack, would be surely better
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: z5 on December 13, 2003, 11:01:09 PM
looking fantastic  :-o
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Cass on December 13, 2003, 11:36:17 PM
Amazing job! Nice aesthetic, as always :-)
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Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Rodney on December 14, 2003, 12:08:49 AM
Those are damn sexy icons. But you called it the Glow revolution. I thought we might be getting 32/24bit glow icons :)

Is that type of stuff even possible with png? Im not sure how the whole icons thing is implemented in AmigaOS. Can you click these PNG icons and have it change the image of the icon in any sort of way?
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: cYbo on December 14, 2003, 01:18:13 AM
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Those are damn sexy icons. But you called it the Glow revolution. I thought we might be getting 32/24bit glow icons :)

Is that type of stuff even possible with png? Im not sure how the whole icons thing is implemented in AmigaOS. Can you click these PNG icons and have it change the image of the icon in any sort of way?


I use "Glow revolution" name because i will new life for classic glow icons. Power Icons don't have second image when u click on icon. :-(
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: AmigaMac on December 14, 2003, 01:35:48 AM
The icons look awesome... these should be selected as the default icon set for OS4.

 ;-)
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: fuskoSCN on December 14, 2003, 02:13:10 AM
Very nice!!  you did a great job, cYbo ! :)

fuskoSCN
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Rodney on December 14, 2003, 03:54:02 AM
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I use "Glow revolution" name because i will new life for classic glow icons.


So these are the high resolution classic glow icons but with out the second picture when you click?

I love these icons.

What is weird is that PNG was made as a replacement for GIF wasnt it? So, shouldnt PNG support animation, and if so, you should be able to have a second picture.

Maybe the powericons path hasnt been made to support that yet?
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Hooligan_DCS on December 14, 2003, 05:28:20 AM
Can PicShow's icon get any cuter?   :-D
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: cockney_dave on December 14, 2003, 09:36:44 AM
Nice icons, but having rushed to install Power Icons when it became public and loving it initially I can't say I'm a fan of PNG icons now - there's something about the look of all the PNG icons I've seen that I just don't like personally and I wouldn't like to see OS 4 with PNG icons really - just look at some of the pics of OS 4 running Quake in a window at Bath this weekend it looks really smart, good old fashioned 256 colour Glow Icons ROCK :-D
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: cYbo on December 14, 2003, 11:37:59 AM
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Can PicShow's icon get any cuter?


Final GlowRevolution pack coming with some icons for applications,maybe and with PicShow. It's an my old icon.
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Wolfe on December 14, 2003, 02:53:54 PM
They look great.  More.... More.... More.....   :-)
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: ikir on December 14, 2003, 03:46:09 PM
Simply amazing
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Targhan on December 14, 2003, 07:13:40 PM
C'mon guys...  

Do the links like this: LINK-1 (http://www.eskala.co.yu/Amiga/Lorraine/Slike/Amiga/GlowRevolution/Screenshot001.png)
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: cYbo on December 14, 2003, 08:23:37 PM
NEW working Screenshot with Jabberwocky :-)
http://www.eskala.co.yu/Amiga/Lorraine/Slike/Amiga/GlowRevolution/Screenshot005.png
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: whabang on December 14, 2003, 11:58:05 PM
I WANT POWER ICONS FOR OS 3.1 !!! :boohoo:  :boohoo:  :boohoo:
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Ross_Geller on December 15, 2003, 10:46:57 AM
@Rodney

Unfortunately the PNG standard only supports a single image.  The MNG  standard supports multiple images (just like gifanim but without the drawbacks), but alas it seems to have almost fallen off the face of the earth, even Mozilla's internal support has been dropped :-(  (although you can still download an extension for it)

I'm not sure if MorphOS's support for PNG images as icons somehow supports a second image, but I can only think of two ways that might be usable as support for second images:

1. MNG support.   While not supported by many, there is complete documentation available here (http://www.libmng.com/pub/mng/index.html), and also a library libmng (http://www.libmng.com/index.html), so a little program that could merge multiple PNGs into an MNG wouldn't be an uphill struggle to write.  
However, these images would then become incompatible with the wide selection of PNG images available (unless a MNG to PNG convertor was written).  This would probably make them a format only for amiga since, to my best knowledge, no other platform has (native or 3rd party) support for MNGs as icons.  Also, I wouldn't like to think of how much extra work supporting MNGs would be for our dear programmer, Elena Novaretti... and any certain great PNG icon designers :-D

2. Add a range of filters that can be applied to PNG images when you click on them.  Basically a fancier version of what we already have.  Again more work for the programmer, whether they choose to hard encode said filters or implement a plugin system.

Either way, you're hindered by format support of icons outside of the amiga community.

That's just my 30 cents... ;-)
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Ross_Geller on December 15, 2003, 10:50:15 AM
Lovely icons, you've done a terrific job with them :-)

I really like the Snork (http://www.aowz68.dsl.pipex.com/cartoons/snorks/snorks.shtml) up the top too! :-D
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Rodney on December 15, 2003, 03:07:24 PM
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That's just my 30 cents...


Thats a good 30c, thanx!

Prolly the reason for MNG not being supported as much is due to the near expiroring or already expired GIF patent. Thats right, GIFs are legal or soon to be legal for use again because the copywrite/patent expires.

This could also lead to the demise of PNG, although it has a pretty strong following and wide support. But GIF does offer a little more in the way of animation.

BTW i think MNG support in OS4 or Morphos would be good. Also maybe instead of embedding the image within the actual icon, the image can be stored else where and referenced so that it can be used multiple times and takes up less space and so that a new format doesnt have to be implimented. Maybe icons could be simple XML files in the future simply refering to an image of any type and then using datatypes and a program to view the image with in Workbench.
Title: Re: Lorraine Design NEWS
Post by: Ross_Geller on December 16, 2003, 12:00:08 PM
After a lot more reading on the subject of MNGs, I think I've found some reasons for why it has been dropped.  
W3C (http://www.w3.org/) don't have it as a standard because currently it doesn't fit into their framework.  Neither does PNG officially, but they made it a standard before all their policies, tests and frameworks were properly laid out, making it very hard to go back.
As for IE, from my understanding that doesn't even have full PNG support, so MNG support would seem to be somewhere over the rainbow.
And as for Mozilla's support (changing from internal support to an extension), I've just been reading through the bug report (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195280) for removal of MNG support, which explained that the maintainer was having to stop work on it, but that a new maintainer came along and turned it into an extension.  The bug report shows how fiercely people fought to keep at least some support for MNGs in Mozilla, even it is now purely as a little used extension.
Finally, information (http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/MNG) from Wikipedia (http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main+Page) (simply because it gives the clearest history of MNG), points out that MNG is a much younger format than PNG, the MNG spec being published in early 2001, whereas PNG had been in development had been in development since 1995 (straight after Unisys and Compuserve decided to make the most of their patent) and it's spec had been knocked up to version 1.1 at the very end of 1998.
So perhaps all MNG really needs is a bit of time (and some actual support for what looks like a great format). (and for those using Opera, this MNG plugin (http://entropymine.com/jason/mngplg/) might be of interest.)

I like your idea of a database of icons on the user's computer, sort of the same way as Windows does it with Shell32.dll (except that I would like to see all icon images stored in the database, rather than some being attached only to the programs - too messy for my liking), or a wider reaching version of DefIcons.  You've definitely started a few thoughts knocking around my head Rodney :-D