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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: System on November 28, 2003, 06:34:15 PM
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Genesi (http://www.genesi.lu/), along with the rest of their products are now listed in the Ready for IBM Technology directory (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/rfit/genesi.html).
(http://www.morphos-news.de/images/news/IBMTech.png)
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Good news for Genesi..
Nice to be listed on the IBM PPC page...
Is the AmigaOne listing soon to follow???
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The Articia S Chipset is already listed:
Articia S chipset (http://www.developer.ibm.com/solutions/isv/igssg.nsf/RFITSolutionWeb/86256B7C0019CE5B86256C71006DE610?opendocument&LMS=6B9B4W43 )
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Confusing ... If the pegasos and morphos (products) are already listed as 'ready for IBM technology' .. why does Genesi (not a product) get listed aswell ?
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I'd really like to hear Targhan's thoughts on this, given the editorial (http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44028) he wrote a few months back, when Mai Logic got their own IBM certification. If you look at the Ready For IBM Technology (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/rfit/) list of companies, you will notice that both Mai Logic and Marvell (Genesi's choice for the Pegasos 2 chipset) share the same list with Genesi.
I wonder if Targhan would have been as forthright if he knew Genesi was also going down this path...
The bottom line: Their stuff is "acceptable" for some purpose at IBM, they completed paperwork, and they made a grand statement. In other words, the press-release isn't worth reading--it's only value would be to another large company, and they would do much more research than what has gone into this article!
This has shaped up to be nothing more than the work of some spin-doctors on nothing of real imporance!
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Hi! Well, Codesmith hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, I already had to "eat shoe" when Genesi first got the Pegasos listed with this thing.
Now, after listing the Pegasos, MorphOS, PegXLin, BSD, and the entire company through this mess, I can honestly say that the "Ready for IBM Technology" program was created for the singular purpose of annoying ME!
On a more serious note, this little program is created for two purposes. 1. to 'officially' lend the IBM logo to other companies (whooptie friggin' do), and 2. used as a first step to doing some kind of business with IBM.
Since BBRV went through the trouble of listing EVERYTHING through this little program, I have to assume that something is up. What it is, I have no idea. Who knows, it may be a new past-time, like collecting pokemon cards! "Gotta catch 'em all, IBM!" Or, they are gearing up towards some business-to-business thing that I'm not privvy to. (In other words, I have no idea!)
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Well Targhan is right.
Signing up for the IBM logo program is just a lot of formality and self-hype. All it does is list a bunch of companies who offer IBM-based solutions. But that formality is in fact the prerequisite to doing business with IBM - if you didn't make the effort listing in their directory, they don't consider you to exist :)
It allows by pleasant side-effect all of our resellers and partners to use the IBM PowerPC logo and RFIT logo in reference to our products. It adds a little snap to the websites.
I note Ben Hermans' comment to Targhan's rant of this last year (Feb 2003):
Very nice "research " there but I know for a fact that within the next few months, you will be corrected in a major way.
That's the good thing of having access to inside information not available to the public.
I have seen the future of PPC and I like :)
I don't see anything coming from Mai, Eyetech or Hyperion either around that date, or since, that validates that smug Belgian grin at the end.
Genesi, however, are producing meat to back up those pretty badges. Stay tuned.
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@Targhan
I'm glad to see you're man enough to admit that we all #### up once in a while, and not try some weaselly "evasive maneuvers". I guess I was still a bit sore at your editorial, and seeing this announcement brought it all back. My bad :oops:
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@Neko: maybe he was referring to the Articia Sa and the micro-ATX board?
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@CodeSmith
Well, if I was perfect, I would be leading some religious movement ;-)
If you want a good laugh, imagine the look on my face when BBRV handed me a MorphOS CD with the RFIT logo printed on it!
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Well, we think there is a difference here...
IBM and IBM Global Business Partners will be selling the Pegasos as a thin client in a total system package. Why the Dell not?! IBM sells services. When they sell an enterprise network to a corporate customer they often continue to “own” the entire system. The customer contracts for the entire package. IBM insures that everything is working and that the latest and greatest is there running as it should. Why should IBM continue to sell a PC when they begin to promote a Linux desktop? First, they throw out Windows (replaced with Linux) and then the Intel-based CPU/PC can be replaced with a PowerPC based system that runs on an IBM CPU. All IBM is doing is connecting the dots from client desktop to enterprise network and ultimately to the "GRID" that IBM now extols (the Matrix is coming!). IBM’s recent investment in Novell and Novell’s acquisition of SuSE is an indication of the coming opportunity and the harbinger of the Genesi revolution. Linux distribution SuSE and the Novell® Nterprise Linux Service package that is being promoted by IBM worldwide run today on the Pegasos. For example, a number of Novell Resellers will start promoting the Pegasos next week.
Pegasos II sales/pre-orders have passed the 1500 unit mark. These are the combined sales based on Reseller, Internet, and institutional/corporate orders. Congratulations to Thomas Knäbel and Gerald Carda. Your years of hard work and dedication are paying off and thanks to you we have the fundamental ingredient required to march forward to our future. Congratulations to the two of you. In 2002 you won the Amiga Award. We can only surmise the accolades you will be awarded when an IT review will be made for 2003.
The MorphOS Developer Connection now has over 400 Registered Developers with Developers that range from over 50 countries. Congratulations to all of you! The Connection has become a progressively useful tool to all those involved because you all contribute and work together to advance the operating system and the platform. Special congratulations to the Core MorphOS Development Team and especially to Ralph Schmidt. We salute you! Thanks also to Felix Schwarz who created the site and moderates it during the start-up period. Felix is moving back to IOSpirit now, but without him we would not have been able to get all this organized. Thanks Felix! As we move ahead, we will be opening more than a dozen new Developer Connection sites with the advent of the Pegasos II. All these “external” developer support sites will be integrated under the Phoenix umbrella and will add new features to make the sites even more integrated and useful.
All said, things are happening and MorphOS will be with every single Pegasos sold to those that are attracted to the open platform and the opportunity to have a Linux Desktop...
...then we will show them MorphOS! :-D
Congratulations to all!
R&B :-)
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@bbrv:
I disagree - this is exactly the same certification Mai Logic has. Trying to make your certification seem somehow better than Mai's is just marketing fluff.
That said, I wish you success, you're currently the best chance we have of bringing the name Amiga back into the spotlight.
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Hi Code, from a strictly administrative point of view you are still right -- this week -- but this relationship will continue to evolve. :-)
Could we point out to you that what we have is a complete platform: hardware, operating system and soon even an application ALL certified. By comparison that is very different. This package is more attractive to a broader market and much more than a single chip. Can you understand our perspective? :-)
Thanks for the compliment!
R&B :-)
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@CodeSmith:
Nobody says we're "certified", we're just "Ready" and "listed". bbrv didn't mention the word "certify" until his last post, you kept inserting it.
Mai were touting a "certification" that they think they earned, which is why Targhan blew a gasket at them. We (Genesi) are not making any brash claims that we did anything besides make our products.
Soon, though, we will have more than just listings on a website to associate us with IBM. That is the BIG difference here.
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Sure, but remember we're talking from an amiga perspective here - anything that does not exist right now does not exist. Sorry, but that's how I've learned to deal with amiga companies. I know you have a much better track record, but I like to play it safe. You understand, right? :-)
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>I disagree - this is exactly the same certification
>Mai Logic has.
The "certification" itself is worth nothing.
The important thing is what you as a company and
IBM are doing *additionally* to this certification. And
there are some differences in the Genesi case...
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I understand that Amigans are unduly paranoid.
Please.. we are not sh*tting you on this, Genesi is going somewhere, somewhere other than bankruptcy court, and you can come along for the ride if you like, but you have to leave your doubt behind :)
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@CodeSmith
I certainly understand the "Show Me" philosophy. As I'm sure, most of us do.
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I understand that Amigans are unduly paranoid.
Please.. we are not sh*tting you on this, Genesi is going somewhere, somewhere other than bankruptcy court, and you can come along for the ride if you like, but you have to leave your doubt behind :)
Thanks, but no thanks. I don't like being taken for a ride. And I don't appreciate being called paranoid, "unduly" or not. :-D
I'll be getting my AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0 soon, and set my own course. ;-)
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Genesi is going somewhere, somewhere other than bankruptcy court,
How about you focus on your project without 'joking' about another project ... the world would look so much better if everyone did so.
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Aha!!! Maybe I was talking about Pretory? :)
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I bet that you weren't ..
But i'm glad you agree :-D
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Hi Kees, normally we would agree with you, but in this case shouldn't the concern be focused on the other project as it was mentioned in the first two posts. The AmigaOne is mentioned, but the AmigaOne is not listed as Ready for IBM Technology though it would be easy for Mai to add this to the Teron listing.
Frankly, there is absolutely no comparison to what we have done and are doing. Not to mention the fact the all of our IP and technology rests in ONE company.
R&B :-)
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So many people are so adamant that Genesi are going to fail, or are lying, or whatever, that they didn't consider that it may be possible for a company to actually do something right in this community, and make that legendary step OUT of the community and do well there too.
I see handfuls of people going around trying to make it look like Bill Buck had a personal hand in Pretory's demise and that he is a cheating lying snake and is going to jail, people who can't let it into their minds for a second that someone other than their chosen brand can make it into the bigtime.
Embrace the goodness :)
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@BBRV: The fact that everything is in one company is IMHO not great. Look at Apple vs wintel: Apple owns everything, they have less than 10% of the market. In the x86 world (the 90% of the remaining 90%), no-one owns the hardware (that's why it's so cheap!) or the software (Microsoft owns the OS, but they don't have any restrictions on how ppl use it, so unless you care about messing with it, it might as well be open). To *really* go nuts on the PPC, you need to let go of either hardware (like Bill Gates or Linus) or let go of the software (like Michael Dell). Hang on to both and you become like Steve Jobs.
@Neko: It's a bit late to start complaining about the level of trolling on amiga sites, don't you think?
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Hi CodeSmith, this depends on your perspective...
A computing platform itself is the foundation to any complete computing environment. You want to build a STB, workstation, SuperTiVo, a incredible document manager/firewall/make anything happen network box? You have to have hardware, OS, and application software.
Apple is not an open platform. We are. That is why there are over a dozen operating systems running on the Pegasos. It is a building block to make something else from. Computers are not an end in themselves, they are a means to an end. What do you want to do? :-)
As for MorphOS, it is small and ours. There are less memory requirements and no license fees to pay, thus less cost. Cost is an important factor.
We are in the same time zone as you now, but this is it for the day for us! Happy day after Thanksgiving CodeSmith -- quick question: are you what you ate?!
Gooble Gooble!
R&B :-)
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@bbrv:
I'm not going to tell you how to sell your wares, that would be a tad arrogant on my part :-) I was just saying what I would do in your shoes, after all this is just a friendly chat, not a board meeting...
Did you just call me a sandwich? :-D
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@Neko: maybe he was referring to the Articia Sa and the micro-ATX board?
Or the mini-itx AmigaOne... What about the G5? Wasnt out when these comments where made where they?
also, he said PPC, nothing Amiga specific?
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@ bbrv
I think you guys are doing a great job. Keep up the good work. With the OS support and the price of you'r PCs, i think you guys will do very very well :) Who knows, maybe i'll buy a peg2 one day? :)
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BBRV,
Good stuff... I'm glad to see things are working out for Genesi and also congrats on Genesi-USA opening doors it's in Nevada. Let's hope we'll see some Pegasos machines widely available in computer/electronics stores in the not too distant future.
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Apples system of doing things works for it and works against it. Its like the stock market, its risky.. if doesnt pay of, it could be terrible, if it does pay off, its going to make much more money than anyone could have thought...
Think about it, not only do they sell their OS, but they sell their hardware. Each item is marked up by a certain percentage, so they're making profits on the hardware and the OS. If they only sold their OS and realied on others to sell the hardware (of which they would see no returns[like microsoft]), with their current market share, they'd be finding it very hard to survive! Although, given, if they relied on others to make their hardware platform, their may be more choice, lower prices and many people may buy their software.
But if Apple makes the best computer in the world, and people continue to buy it, the prices go down more people buy it and may one day Apple wil lhave 50% of the market. If they where ONLY selling their OS, they'd be making much less profit!
Theres advantages and disadvantages. Apple are too far ahead to change platforms, and their platform is working for them atm. Small market shar, but their still profitable!
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n the x86 world (the 90% of the remaining 90%), no-one owns the hardware (that's why it's so cheap!) or the software (Microsoft owns the OS, but they don't have any restrictions on how ppl use it, so unless you care about messing with it, it might as well be open).
Microsoft has more control than one might think. They have their own lock-in mechanisms such as Windows/MS Office. The masses is afraid to leave Wintel because they're afraid that they'll be somehow incompatible or inconsistant with the rest (or 90%) of the computing world. The PC is not as open as one would assume when Microsoft controls the software space with its monopoly.
I hope that Genesi and Amiga Inc. can topple this problem. It would be great to go to the local computer/electronic store and browse through different variants of computer platforms (beyond Windows PCs and Macintoshes). It will be good to see Amigas (Pegasos included) and even Linux PCs sitting in showrooms along side the former to give us a real choice for once!
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Poster: Rodney Date: 2003/11/28 23:17:20
ut if Apple makes the best computer in the world, and people continue to buy it, the prices go down more people buy it and may one day Apple wil lhave 50% of the market.
Pretty funny considering Apple, like the rest of the computer companies, subcontract out their actual manufacturing. It may have a Apple sticker, but more then likely, it was some x86 manufacturer who actually assemlbed it. As for the 50% of the market, Hyperion has a better chance of getting OS4 out before XMas then Apple has to get 50% of the market. ;^)
Dammy
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This is kinda cool... Genesi knows how to market themselves and their products. That's not something we see a lot of in the Amiga sphere :-)
And who whould have thought Amiga was to be mentioned on IBM's site? (http://www.developer.ibm.com/solutions/isv/igssg.nsf/list/bycompanyname/86256B7B0003EBBF86256DB900575117?OpenDocument)
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Hi Kees, normally we would agree with you, but in this case shouldn't the concern be focused on the other project as it was mentioned in the first two posts.
There is a difference between those 2 post and the comment that I adressed ... In the first 2 posts, a question is asked and answered ... the comment that i addressed is getting old.
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Did you just call me a sandwich?
No, he called you a turkey. :-P
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And who whould have thought Amiga was to be mentioned on IBM's site?
yeah its bizzar I found it right in the middle of that MOs article :-o sombody obviously loves thier Amiga's enough. ;-)
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..no worries CodeSmith that makes me a turkey too!
Bill :-)
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And who whould have thought Amiga was to be mentioned on IBM's site?
I don't ever recall Amiga being mentioned before..
This is great..
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