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Title: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: downix on November 08, 2003, 04:37:10 PM
Genesi today announced that RJ Mical will assume an evaluation role for Genesi.

RJ Mical was a co-inventor of the Atari Lynx handheld game system and the 3DO entertainment console, and was also head of software engineering at Ericsson Red Jade.  Most recently, RJ has been the Chief Architect for the Fathammer mobile game engine and continues today to serve as a Director. RJ will be making a full assessment of the Pegasos and MorphOS and prepare a plan to assist Genesi to move the Pegasos into the world of mobile devices.

RJ will be meeting with Pegasos and MorphOS Developers and Users this coming week in Helsinki. He will be in Finland on Fathammer business.

Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: amigamad on November 08, 2003, 04:57:41 PM
The atari lynx was and still is the best handheld games machine better than any  gameboy. :-)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: downix on November 08, 2003, 05:00:37 PM
I've never played with a Lynx, but the 3D0 was something else.

(But I preferred the Jaguar, sorry RJ)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: Van_M on November 08, 2003, 05:33:42 PM
The LYNX was actually THE portable Amiga!
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: gravyboat on November 08, 2003, 05:34:57 PM
the lynx was/is such a great game machine it a company would have to TRY to make it a failure.

unfortunately, atari had a lot of practice.
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: Van_M on November 08, 2003, 05:48:27 PM
It's amazing how atari managed to screw-up every computer/console they released after the mega ST! I mean, after the first 2 faulures they should have sat down and think "We must have done something wrong there"... but no, they kept releasing killer products (for their time- Falcon, Lynx, Jaguar) and watch them fail soon after....
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: downix on November 08, 2003, 05:54:55 PM
The MegaST was done under Sam Tramiel's watch.  He had a heart attack shortly after the Jaguar's launch, and his father Jack took over.  First thing Jack did was slash advertising and support budgets across the board.
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: bbrv on November 08, 2003, 06:10:40 PM
RJ was involved in a few Amiga things too...;-)

We are looking forward to his involvement.

R&B  :-)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: amigamad on November 08, 2003, 08:36:21 PM
Worst thing i done was give my lynx away it failed due to being over 200 pound when released and atari never cut the price until it was to late.
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: System on November 08, 2003, 09:04:28 PM
Sold my Lynx for 35quid in 1996 with 20 games.  Needed the money for a night out! Still regret that decision.  Sold my NGPC for the same price with 4 games a couple of years ago, it was cool but the Lynx was better and ten years older!

RoadRash on 3DO is still the best bike racer  I've ever played to this day.

RJ rocks!

How many more true Amiga people will it take for Genesi to get on board before the Amino fanboys concede Pegasos IS the nextgen Amiga? :-)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: Hammer on November 08, 2003, 09:23:23 PM
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How many more true Amiga people will it take for Genesi to get on board before the Amino fanboys concede Pegasos IS the nextgen Amiga?

The Name(TM)… ;) The brand names makes it inelastic in regards demand (in economic trems).

In term of seeing the “successor”, the issues are quite similar to OS/2Warp Vs Windows (Vs VMS). These OSes has a common heritage. Similarly, the 3DO has some common relationship (due to its architects) with Amiga but the market didn’t see this as “Amiga”.

IF you notice, some of Amiga(TM)OS fans have accepted Pegy II as a potential HW solution (probably due to price), but they wanted AmigaOS4.0 on this HW. Having just the AmigaOS 3.X capability may not be deemed to be enough to equate CompetitorOS as “AmigaOS” due to the missing "AmigaOS 4.0".

Set of AmigaOS(TM) = {AmigaOS 1.X, AmigaOS 2.X AmigaOS 3.X, AmigaOS 4.X}.

Set of MorphOS = {AmigaOS 1.X*, AmigaOS 2.X* AmigaOS 3.X, QBOX} *Assumed.

Similar to
Set of MS Windows(TM) = {Windows 1.x/2.x/3.x, Windows 9x, Windows NT/2K/XP/2K3, Windows CE, Windows Longhorn}.

Set of MS Windows(TM) != {OS/2 2.0, OS/2 Warp 4.0, Win16} .
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: Damion on November 08, 2003, 10:45:13 PM
Wow, interesting news. Congrats to R.J. and
Genesi.  :)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: mikeymike on November 09, 2003, 12:10:01 AM
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How many more true Amiga people will it take for Genesi to get on board before the Amino fanboys concede Pegasos IS the nextgen Amiga?

Spoken like a true fanboy.  I think you'd better put your private altar away before anyone sees it :-D
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: JoannaK on November 09, 2003, 01:49:06 AM
BBRV:  Me too.. I have no idea what he's about to do or say but I have seen stuff he's been doing before (Amiga and Lynx) and I'm sure it'll be interesting..

I'll hope to see him in a week... Neat
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: redfox on November 09, 2003, 03:58:50 AM
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How many more true Amiga people will it take for Genesi to get on board before the Amino fanboys concede Pegasos IS the nextgen Amiga?

Now that is certainly an endearing way to invite other people to listen to your idea.

---------------
redfox
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: ruben on November 09, 2003, 05:28:13 AM
I only have one thing to say about this: Fantastic!
Not only for RJ, but for the thought of the mobile Pegasos.

Well done - this is what is needed.
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: gravyboat on November 09, 2003, 07:12:19 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/18/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: CodeSmith on November 09, 2003, 09:06:51 AM
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How many more true Amiga people will it take for Genesi to get on board before the Amino fanboys concede Pegasos IS the nextgen Amiga?

Huh? that argument doesn't make any sense... that's like saying that if you get enough Chinese into Belgium, Belgium will become a part of China.

I can see how Genesi can say that their stuff has to be pretty cool if they can attract all these ex-Amiga heavyweights, but no-one can claim anything (pro or against) about what this means for the Pegasos' status as "the new Amiga."
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: CodeSmith on November 09, 2003, 09:09:43 AM
@gravyboat:

That "red jade" sounds a lot like the Nokia N-Gage.  I wonder if that's where they ended up?
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: Kees on November 09, 2003, 10:25:02 AM
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Huh? that argument doesn't make any sense... that's like saying that if you get enough Chinese into Belgium, Belgium will become a part of China.


:lol:
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: greenboy on November 09, 2003, 05:12:13 PM
The next Amiga? Why set sights so low? ;  }

Joke aside, it's one step at a time, and those steps are NOT leading to a marketplace with a small handful of zealots. The development of MorphOS as an Amiga-informed desktop OS is only part of the picture. Tailored versions of MorphOS or other operating systems running on branded products such as the Crunchbox (http://shopip.com/index.html) and the upcoming DTV settop are going to do more to pay for ongoing development, and RJ is involved to help us go farther abroad. Though the non-desktop IT sector has a lot of failures and aborted products littering its landscape, the horizon there is still more tempting than a teensy island with an ingrown population and a small lake around it {or is that just a moat? ;  }

 It's not that hard to think of the risks involved when its obvious to most that the "Amiga marketplace" will not likely expand beyond a certain point, the island's boundaries long since defined by other desktop OSes. If MorphOS is to become more, it needs to be underwritten by hardware sales - and developments that lead to more hardware, more spinoffs OF that hardware, and hardware sales.

MorphOS on the Pegasos exists now, but being "an Amiga" is not enough. RJ knows that, Genesi knows that, and most users of MorphOS ON the desktop will be glad of this when they see MorphOS continuing to get funding over the years, developing and benefiting from what is needed for various projects and products that are not aimed only at the desktop.
  
 
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium (http://phinixi.com)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: CodeSmith on November 09, 2003, 08:01:36 PM
@greenboy:

I think you're referring to the island where they built the lunatic asylum  :-P

It only makes sense that Genesi is going after bigger fish than the Amiga market, just as Amiga Inc seems to be.  It's interesting to contrast the two companies - Amiga Inc seems to believe that hardware is just just something to ground the software on (hence Fleecy's whole hardware-agnostic mantra), while Genesi clearly believes that hardware is where the future is.  At the moment, Genesi's strategy seems to be paying off, especially in the light of all of Amiga Inc's hardware partners dropping them after agreeing to work together (I was actually glad to hear about MS giving Sendo the shaft - what goes around comes around).
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: greenboy on November 09, 2003, 09:01:29 PM
CodeSmith,

It's hard to tell what Amiga Inc might REALLY believe - and what does that matter anyway if they can't or won't pay their taxes, their employees, or their bills. And when questioned, have dissimulated or even lied about it.

It's easier to understand what Genesi, Hyperion, AROS, RJ Mical, or REBOL Technologies, QNX, etc believe because at least SOME of those have sent out T-shirts that SAY IT ;  }

Seriously though: business plans may be easy to remark on, we can all play armchair football captain. But as they tend to evolve based on solvency, market conditions, new thoughts, and new alliances, feedback is important. Paying attention is important.

Getting out a product or two, seeing what it means, then getting new ones in the hopper, getting a little more established, making sure that finance is not precarious (that's feedback too!) - it's a process, in many cases - and not an absolute. In the process one tries to make best use of already-in-hand IP, gaining though R&D or partnership still other IP, assembling it into whatever could be compelling, useful, profitable.
 
Anyway, what WE as observers can see (or feel) is usually more of a silhouette that we can hang suppositions on. Guessing that an elephant is a broom or vice versa can be somewhat avoided, but sometimes it has to be around for awhile to actually understand the shape : }
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: MarkTime on November 10, 2003, 01:17:31 AM
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How many more true Amiga people will it take for Genesi to get on board before the Amino fanboys concede Pegasos IS the nextgen Amiga?


It will take 3 more.

<--sorry, I just get a thrill from answering rhetorical questions.   Actually, to answer the question, I don't think the next generation amiga will come from endorsements....but thats not to say I don't think Genesi couldn't potentially be viewed as the next Amiga.  

just sell a few million units, that ought to wrap up the argument quite nicely :-)

Should be a great year for Amigaland....for both OS 4, and for Genesi, it appears.....

can't wait to watch it all from the sidelines :-)
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: vortexau on November 10, 2003, 02:53:54 PM
I wonder if you wanted to build a BETTER X-Ray device for the medical profession and,

you employed heaps of ex-Amiga Illuminati(?)

would you then claim that your X-Ray device was - - -
  an Amiga?    :-o
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: Zorro on November 10, 2003, 04:40:17 PM
RJ Mical...wow !!!! :-o :-o :-o

He had a great role in the Amiga history... well done !
Title: Re: R.J. Mical assumes evaluation role for Genesi
Post by: iamaboringperson on November 11, 2003, 05:30:38 AM
Good to see old Amiga developer people still in the 'family' -



good news