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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: System on October 21, 2003, 03:14:47 PM
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PegasosPPC.com has 6 new pictures from the production phase of the Pegasos II motherboard. Looks very cool. You can view them here (http://pegasosppc.com/images.php?f=gallery&id=76).
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@ Wayne
Give me a break.
Kees has already put a news item up about this.
Moderator please move this to the forums.
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Nice looking board by the way.
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peg 2 is looking good nice layout of the board . :-)
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@Jurassic
What is so very hard to understand?
1) I did not see Kees post, or I would not have posted it.
2) We moved those images to PegasosPPC.com SPECIFICALLY to keep DCE's servers from being overloaded for bandwidth. There is no reason for them to pay for the image download bandwidth when that's what PegasosPPC.com's servers exist for.
3) It is not a forum post. Pictures of the new motherboard in production are news. Simple as that.
This is not rocket science.
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This is not rocket science.
You had me fooled :-P
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Wayne
Those pics are amazing. Thanks for posting them. Its really cool to see the production process. That board is the feat of some very talented people. It is a work of art.
magnetic
:-o
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Has it entered "mass" production yet?
I'm asking because the news item on morphzone.org, covering the first released picture, said that this was a pre-production board. The ATX power connector hasn't been moved, and that static RAM drive is still there.
OTOH, if those are the only things differing from the "real thing", I don't see why it would have to change? OK, the RAM drive is probably quite a bit more expensive than a *PROM chip...
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How long until I can buy one in the US? And when I say buy one, I don't mean "when is the first production run done?" I mean, WHEN CAN I, LOCATED in the USA, actually place an order for it and have it in my hands in, say, a week or so?
*without* having to be a developer or betatester :-?
Or fight off hordes of Euro MOS users with a cane?
Or have to order it from overseas, only to be back-ordered because the first production run is already spoken for?
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@JurassicCamper
Why the hostility? :-o
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Looks sweet. Hopefully it can run without a fan. I want the operating noise of my C64 back! (e.g. SILENCE ;)
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I smell jealousy in this thread.
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I want the operating noise of my C64 back! (e.g. SILENCE ;)
I can help you with that! :-D
Ooops..veering OT..back to topic.. :-P
Seriously nice looking board! Me want!
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selco wrote:
Looks sweet. Hopefully it can run without a fan. I want the operating noise of my C64 back! (e.g. SILENCE ;)
A G3 can run without a fan, certainly. You can even get powerful modern graphics cards that run without fans, like the Radeon 9000. I have both and neither make the slightest bit of noise.
But you're gonna find it hard to get a hard drive that's ultra-quiet, and even harder to get a silent PSU. They do exist though.
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@ Genesi
wow good design but . . . .please:
hold far away Dellert from those cards, for the good of all the customers :-D
He, he, he!
Ciao!
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@JurassicCamper
Why the hostility?
Bad day at work...
No offence meant to anyone
:-P
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Bad day at work...
Is there ever a good day at work id rather stay in bed than go to work. :-D
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@Legion
You can right now order a Pegasos board on pegasosppc.com and not have to fight anyone off. It will be a little longer thank a week to get it in your hands though. First production run will be run for devs and testing purposes this will be followed by mass run for worldwide distro. You will be able to run without a fan and virutally silent with G3. I have made a vcr like case Pegasos that is almost silentl except for the almost imperceptable whirr of the sfx psu. It is completly cool as well.
So, if you want a board go ahead and order it will just be a little bit before you recieve it.
magnetic
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magnetic:
The US dealer is listed as Utraspec, but a search of their site turns up nothing regarding Pegasos. It appears I can order online via pegasosppc.com, but where is this coming from? and how long to get it?
Like I asked in my previous post, the first run is going to be dev-candy. When will *I* be able to purchase one and have it within a week or two? :-?
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@legion
Ultraspec is a new distributor and has not updated their site yet, they will in due time tough. It says so on the bottom of the peg site, and several has mentioned this over at OSNews.com
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Bad day at work...
No offence meant to anyone
I hear you, been there. Cheers :hammer:
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I am new to Pegasos design - and looking at those pics it certanly looks nice - but why only 2 (two) pci slots - it looks to me that expansion capabilities are minimum with this one... or am i wrong??!?!? :-?
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there are 3 PCI slotts on Pegasos
http://pegasosppc.com/images.php?f=image&id=891
left side.. off whiteconnctors
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@Ogy,
Considering that sound, networking, firewire and everything else is built onto the motherboard, what more do you need? Video goes in the AGP slot.
I don't believe I've actually built a single computer in the last 5 years that needed more than one PCI slot and that was usually for a network card. (I have almost forgotten what a floppy drive looks like). I have zero PCI cards in my Pegasos and use it quite regularly.
Keep in mind that this is a Micro ATX motherboard and they normally NEVER come with more than three PCI slots (if they even have more than two).
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(I have almost forgotten what a floppy drive looks like).
this help?
(http://www.pclincs.co.uk/acatalog/floppy%20drive.jpg)
;-)
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@seer,
Nope. Nothing. Doesn't ring a bell. :)
Wayne
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yeah, ditto to what legion said.
when does "Joe Average" get one?
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This is the first time I've been excited about a motherboard in a long time :-D
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Poster: KennyR Date: 2003/10/21 17:05:51
I smell jealousy in this thread.
*sniffs*
Nah, Doomy took his shoes off ;-)
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@Wayne
I can see your point - you are right!!! But I am one of those guys who does many things on computer (and I mean MANY) from video making to photography, music etc... All 5 pci slots in my win2k machines are filled - Audigy, TV Card, Raid, SCSI etc. I was just thinking that an inch bigger board would accomodate extra slot that even if you dont use it initialy it would give you peace of mind that in case you need to expand your system you can do so without compromises...
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"But you're gonna find it hard to get a hard drive that's ultra-quiet, and even harder to get a silent PSU"
I have the Seagate Barracuda V which is very quiet, and seems to perform well. Unfortunately I've yet to get other silent components like the PSU, so its efforts are mostly wasted on my setup, but I've seen the Seagate Barracuda IV in action on a PC that was completely silent.
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More fun hardware to play with!!
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Why won't Thendic and Hyperion come to terms on getting OS4 running on this hardware?
Not to knock Eyetech, but the Peg II is much more impressive from several perspectives.
The marketing and information presentation for the product is far more professional than the A1. The product brings more to the table at a lower price than the A1.
If there are two camps in this war, I would belong to the AmigaOS camp, but this hardware and it's presentation make the A1 look like a basement project.
Do what you have to do, but do it.
Hell, put a damned USB dongle for OS4 in the box with the OS. I don't care... If the A1 is not ready to roll with comparable price/performance when my year end bonus hits in Feb, I may be running MorphOS.
Scratch that...
I don't want to run MorphOS.
I will buy me a damned x86 linux/lindows box first.
Cut the chicken-**** crapola and get OS4 on this machine! That should be a higher priority than a Cyberstorm version.
Failure to do so makes both sides look bad and the real losers are the users.
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Wow! That's not bad!
Looks a bit like the old one ;-)
However, I'm sure it would be better.
What are the advantages over peg I again? :-)
(Oh yeah, I'd still prefer more PCI slots :-P )
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>What are the advantages over peg I again?
Out of my head:
- cheaper to produce (eg. no april needed
- cheaper RAM
- a little bit faster (real 133Mhz FSB, a northbridge that definitely is not a bottlenec, system memory bus has more bandwidth)
- gigabit ethernet
(not sure if the USB can reach USB2 speed)
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@Wilse
But you're gonna find it hard to get a hard drive that's ultra-quiet, and even harder to get a silent PSU. They do exist though.
I don't know about that. It's easy to get quiet PSUs around here, just about every shop has them. They cost 50% - 100% more than your average noisy PSU though. I use a QTechnology Papst series PSU in my PC and it's almost noiseless (if you put your ear next to it you can hear low whirr from the fan).
Western Digital make hard drives that are pretty low-noise, and Hitachi (formerly IBM) drives are pretty silent too.
You can also put sound dampening stuff into your case. I bought some cheap engine compartment sound insulation at a car parts shop and stuck it all over the inside of my PC case and now it's very quiet, almost unhearable (my VCR makes more noise than my PC now). Just make sure you have good ventilation in your box since the sound insulation is also heat insulation (wouldn't recommend using it without a case fan).
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Is that an optical spdif connector I see on there? Nice!
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@Wayne
It’s a compelling product (IF the price is right i.e. ~$199~$299 USD) for a PowerPC based solution. Availability of AmigaOS 4.0** on this HW platform would be very nice in my POV.
**Sorry, “the name” is important for me, just as “Designed for MS Windows” logo. No flame intended…
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Ultra quiet HD:
hda: ST340014A, ATA DISK drive
It's at 26dBA, barely audible.
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hda: ST340014A, ATA DISK drive. It's at 26dBA, barely audible.
A little tip to people shopping for silent drives. Check all the acoustic values in the datasheet before buying. Shops often just give the sound level from the drive motor, not for the drive heads. I bought a Maxtor drive for a friend that said 24dB, but its drive heads are very noisy. The noise level of the Western Digital I bought myself was given at 28dB but its drive heads are very quiet (barly audible) so in the end it feels like it is much more silent than the Maxtor.
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Sorry, ?the name? is important for me, just as ?Designed for MS Windows? logo. No flame intended?
Usually software is designed for hardware... and not the contrary....
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Usually software is designed for hardware... and not the contrary....
On the contrary...
Refer to;
Source 1** (http://www.msi.com.tw/html/products/certificate/main.htm)
Source 2**** (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/catalog/default.aspx?subid=22&xslt=categoryl3&pgn=6b15abaa-2908-464f-85bf-9690bbe348ec)
Secondly, I still recall “Superior MS Windows engine” AMD marketing regime from AMD K6 days...
**Also shows Linux Certification logo.
****This link shows extensive “Designed for Windows XP” logo on products…
My ASUS A7N8X class motherboard is certified for “Designed for Windows XP”. This can be seen here. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/catalog/default.aspx?subID=22&xslt=search&qu=ASUS+A7N&scope=1)
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have the Seagate Barracuda V which is very quiet, and seems to perform well. Unfortunately I've yet to get other silent components like the PSU, so its efforts are mostly wasted on my setup, but I've seen the Seagate Barracuda IV in action on a PC that was completely silent.
I've Seagate Barracuda IV in my Pegasos. My PSU is not completely
silent but almost. Music for my ears when there is no noise at all
:-D
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>It’s a compelling product (IF the price is right i.e. >~$199~$299 USD) for a PowerPC based solution. >Availability of AmigaOS 4.0** on this HW platform would be >very nice in my POV.
>**Sorry, “the name” is important for me, just as “Designed >for MS Windows” logo. No flame intended…
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You have to explain me, please.
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You have to explain me, please.
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Refer to a dictionary in regards to "me".
Certifications may aid secondary line vendors in regards to marketing** and customer information purposes**. The ease of conveying the information to customers can be important.
Genesi has the potential to obtain some of the certifications listed in MSI’s website e.g. "Linux-tested.com", ISO-14001 and 'etc'.
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I don't believe I've actually built a single computer in the last 5 years that needed more than one PCI slot and that was usually for a network card.
But some of us like to have proper sound cards and tv cards and maybe the network card if one is not on board.I dont like onboard sound . :-)
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@Amigamad,
The network card is on board, so
1 tv card
1 sound card
= 2 PCI slots
The Pegasos II has 3 PCI slots, so you have one left over for something else. What's the big deal?
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I don't want to run MorphOS.
Don't knock it until you try it :-)
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Hi Red... someone replied to my post without flaming me... what a concept :)
I am more than willing to try MorphOS, but it is not reason enough for me to shell out $1000 to buy a system.
That will take OS4 compatibility.
I don't care who comes up with the agreement or what the terms are.
If OS4 runs on Pegasos II, I buy it.
If it does not, I don't.
It is really that simple.
There are many other Amiga users like myself, I would imagine.
I am intrigued by MorphOS.
It looks nice.
I don't live close enough to anywhere to go see it presented and I am not buying it based on screengrabs and biased hearsay.
I like Amiga OS and I know I will like OS4.
Morphos? I don't know it.... I didn't experience it for years.
I *might* grow to like it, or I might love it after the first try, but the economy is not good enough for me to toss $1000 up a hog's @$$ with a hope and a prayer.
The two sides could easily come to terms and get OS4 running on Pegasos in short order... if only they weren't so hell bent on destroying what is left of the Amiga community first.
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it is not reason enough for me to shell out $1000 to buy a system.
1000$? Full system costs maybe 600 euro. And if you dont like it you
can throw Pegasos mobo away. You lose 300 euros though... :-D
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1000$? Full system costs maybe 600 euro.
Thank you to Dale Carnegie for helping me not flame.
According to the pegasosPPC web site the motherboard and PPC module sell for $598 US not including shipping.
Add to that ample ram, a good gfx card, beefy HD, floppy, catweasel, CDRW & DVD.
If you can buy it for the extras for $2 and get free shipping.... wow.
PegasosPPC.com (http://pegasosppc.com/store.php)
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@Ak3One
As the guy that helped set up the website, the entry-level Pegasos starts at $349.83.
Please check again:
http://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php (http://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php)
item #2 is the entry-level Pegasos, and neither unit costs $598.
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As the guy that helped set up the website, the entry-level Pegasos starts at $349.83.
And an Atari 2600 starts at around $5.
I am not running out to replace my Xbox...
Even if I wanted a 600Mhz G3, it would still cost more than $600 to build a complete system...
and I will need another monitor.
Preferably a flat panel.
Nice website... I think I complimented it down the thread.
$600 is barely enough to build a decent spec Athlon linux box.
If I build a machine around the Peg, it will be around the Peg. The cards and expansions I select will likely be different from what I would use with a linux box or wintel crate due to drivers and such.
So if I chose the underpowered G3@600.... it is $750 up a hog's @$$.
Big savings if I toss it in the dumpster.
1Ghz G4.... we are finally starting to get somewhere.
Now get OS4 running on it and I will be interested.
I might even buy a G3 version for a network connection in the den.
Without OS4, it might as well be a $350 paperweight as far as I can see... and I am sure others feel the same.
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@A3KOne
For curiosity, what does OS4 offer you over and above MorphOS, anyways?
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For curiosity, what does OS4 offer you over and above MorphOS, anyways?
A whole lot... or maybe nothing. That is the problem.
Familiarity for starters... It is the heir to OS3.x, which I am more than very comfortable with.
It is not about Amiga v/s anything.
AmigaOS 4 is exactly what it says it is... it is Amiga OS 4. It is an upgrade to my favorite existing OS.
Morphos is an alternative operating system with the Abox Amiga compatible API. I don't know it.
Can I open a shell and ed:startup-sequence?
Is it structured with devs and prefs and libs, etc?
Those are just a couple of a thousand possible questions in comparing the two.
If I could run OS4 on Pegasos, then there would be an opportunity for me to try MorphOS without having risked my hard earned money for a chance to try something that looks "interesting."
I would buy it to run AmigaOS, and if MorphOS provided me with a better computing experience, I would likely migrate... or dual boot at the least.
When I go to the casinos I play nickel slots.
When I bet on sports I play $10 parlays.
$583 ante is too rich for my blood.
Fair enough or should I go on?
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@A3KOne
But you do know it. From a structure and operational standpoint, the two are identical. So that means, yes, you open up a shell and ed:startup-sequence. It needed to copy everything about the directory and API structure of AmigaOS or else it would never have worked.
Where do you live that a Pegasos demonstration is not nearby?
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@downix:
How about North Dakota? :shocked:
btw, still.. uh.. waiting on that t-shirt thingie... :-D
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Where do you live that a Pegasos demonstration is not nearby?
North Central Mississippi.
I cannot drive 14 hours to see an OS be presented.
Even two hours would be difficult as I am a retail manager working 50+ hours weekly with Christmas looming ahead.
Running under "Abox," I don't doubt that MorphOS is likely very Amiga-like as it was designed to be a copy.
Often, copies are not as good as the originals; On MorphOS' website, they state that the Abox is there until Qbox is finished and then that will be the focus.
Sounds like they are luring me in with Coke-a-Cola and planning on changing to "New Coke." I may like New Coke...or I may think that it is worse than Diet Shasta with saccarin..
I will not risk my hard earned money on a maybe.
I have that choice.
That is one of the ideals MorphOS is about, isn't it? Choice?
To deny a user the right to choose AmigaOS as his operating system defys that which MorphOS was built upon in the first place.
I tip my hat to Pegasos... it appears to be a fine product... but if OS4 doesn't run on it, I will never know.
Morphos may be awesome...I will probably never know.
For the many Amigans like myself, we will never try MorphOS unless Pegasos gets OS4.
I will likely not buy an AmigaOne as it is overpriced and under featured...again it is a decision based on rational thought, not fanaticism or hatred of "the name."
Unless AmigaOne is updated or Peg runs AmigaOS, it is likely the next avenue many of us take will be something non Amiga.
Everybody loses.
If either Hyperion or Thendic wanted OS4 on Pegasos, it would happen.
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For curiosity, what does OS4 offer you over and above MorphOS, anyways?
Perhaps “AmigaOS 4.0” compatibility as oppose to AmigaOS 3.x…
Using a past example ;
Path A: Windows 3.11 -> Windows 9x/Windows NT 4 -> Windows NT 5.x (2K/XP/2K3). Carries the "MS Windows" brand name.
Path B: Windows 3.11-> OS/2 Warp 4.x.
In terms of features and services of 32bit era X86 OS, both OS/2 Warp and Windows NT4.0 offer similar services and features. Both has Win16 compatibility**. The issue is related to what level of “pedigree” does the successor has to the past.
Brand names usually promotes a product to be “inelastic” (referring to demand curve) in a particlar market place.
**With third party add-on OS/2 Warp can also obtain Win32 compatibility.
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@Hammer
Actually as of OS/2 v 4.0 and later, Win32 compatibility is included off-the-shelf. And Even for 3.x it was availible as a download option from IBM itself. Only Win9x compatibility is not included stock, and not because it can't be done but because of licensing issues. However, there is a 3rd party add-on to enable even this. (I loved playing Quake2 on OS/2 faster than my friends could on Win98)