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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: Kees on October 06, 2003, 12:24:40 PM
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During the IRC Q&A in #Amiga.org (http://amiga.org/livechat.php) Hans Joerg Frieden announced that OS4 will come out for the BlizzardPPC and maybe even the Pegasos2.
[10:59] <_4pLaY_> Hans-JoergF: Any chance we will see OS4 on Peg2? :) and how about Shark and Blizzard versions?
[11:00] 4play: Peg2, sure there is a chance, but I don't make that decision. Blizzard: Affirmative. Shark: When we get a prototype.
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Another reason why the Dell not!
;-)
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Well, cooperation is better than confrontation :-)
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Could be the only good reason i can think of to buy a pegy 2 if well priced :-)
Yep, his brother Thomas more or less pointed out the same with regards to BPPC/OS4 but made clear the A1 version is the highest priority at the moment.
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but made clear the A1 version is the highest priority at the moment.
LOL... you would hope so
apt-get remove stinking linux
apt-get install os4 :-D
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LOL... you would hope so
It wasnt always :-) but yeah.. glad things are moving along great with regards to the A1, great stuff!
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It is quite simple, and the option was always open for anyone:
Get a licence for AmigaOS 4, and things will happen.
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If they make a PegII version, I'd buy both of them!!! For the time beeing I'm waiting the CSPPC version for my A4000.
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Hi Rogue, you get it finished and we will make sure someone gets a license...;-)
R&B
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@BBRV
You'll have to shift more than 600 boxes this time if you want OS4 on the Peg2, but nevertheless it's better than outright confontation and that can only benefit the platform.
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That would be a win-win situation, everyone involved would benefit from that! Hyperion - more OS4 sold, Genesi - more Pegasos sold, Amiga Inc - more license revenues. Heck even Eyetech could be a winner, since they are a reseller who buys motherboards and has the power to brand them as "Amiga", and they could easily buy the Pegasos motherboards instead of/as a complement to the other ones. The Pegasos could perhaps also be cheaper for Eyetech thanks to a more cost efficient developing/manufacturing process with less companies involved. :-)
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@ Skyraker
Why would they have to shift more than 600 boxes?
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Hi Rogue, you get it finished and we will make sure someone gets a license...
Well, the "get it finished" part is the only part that falls into my field of expertise, hence my comment on IRC.
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I heard before that the licence fee AInc wanted was certainly not acceptable, ergo no OS4 on Pegasos. Has this really changed so suddenly?
Well, at least a possible BPPC version is good news. It removes at least one of the barriers for me running OS4. But I've already paid for at least part of OS4, and if I don't get my voucher, I won't be buying the rest of it.
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Having the OS4 jewel in the Operating Sytem Crown along with the other beauties would be real nice.
I'm a bit worried about the dongle thingie - hope it will neither be a required change in the motherboard design (for a single OS?) nor a dongle occupying a whole USB slot.
Any changes in the dongle policy?
As to the Blizzard version - can we take it as a promise? :-)
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@takemehomegrandma
Porting OS4 is just not going to be worth it for a market worth 600 units.... i'm sure Ben will correct me if i'm wrong.
Besides, you know whats going to happen now... Genesi will start trumpeting that the Peg2 is going to run OS4 (from this point on) , with no agreement (apart from a comment on irc) and IMHO little likelyhood of this happening....
I'm not saying it wont happen, I just think it's unlikely.
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Another stumbling block just might be the idiots in the monkey house (AInc)...
IIRC they don't like Genesi too much.
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@takemehomegrandma
That would be ideal.
@bbrv & Rogue
Just do it, and everybody gets happy! The sooner, the better.
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I heard before that the licence fee AInc wanted was certainly not acceptable, ergo no OS4 on Pegasos. Has this really changed so suddenly?
It doesn't really matter what you have heard, since if you didn't inquire directly at Amiga, the information is pretty irrelevant. Probably the rumour mill will have squezed the actual numbers in any desired direction.
I'm not saying your are wrong or right, because I don't know the details either.
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I'm a bit worried about the dongle thingie - hope it will neither be a required change in the motherboard design (for a single OS?) nor a dongle occupying a whole USB slot.
(See also my reply to Kenny R)
No idea. My information is that there should be something that prevents/separates those boards that actually have a licence from thost that don't.
As to the Blizzard version - can we take it as a promise?
It's (a always) a promise that we'll try. We want a Blizzard version. The only real hold-up would be the issues I mentioned before - the non-standard hardware support. There has to be a certain amount of supported hardware - we're not going to sell it if it doesn't support at least a basic set of hardware to make it usable.
Slapping a sticker on it saying "does not support your IDE harddrive" isn't an option, really.
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i wonder if the peg2 version is possible because Amiga Inc doesnt seem to be going to well, and if they fold, then maybe the restrictions on AmigaOS hardware will fold with them? (although amigaos may also fold too)...
i wonder if we can get a peg2 then maybe even an iMac or PowerMac?'
*dreams*
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@Rooney
Running it on a G5 Mac would be very tasty indeed, if a little expensive... I'm sure this has been done to death in previous threads, but apart from the obvious (Apple), what would prohibit such a port?
Ben?
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Shark: When we get a prototype.
My memory cheating me, or there was a photo back in a few years depicting Ben Hermans and the Shark in his hand? Or I am confusing him with someone else?
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Rogue wrote:
It doesn't really matter what you have heard, since if you didn't inquire directly at Amiga, the information is pretty irrelevant. Probably the rumour mill will have squezed the actual numbers in any desired direction.
I agree, but the chances of getting a definite response on this matter straight from the horse's mouth are next to nil. Even if AInc ever replied such tricky questions, they are well within their rights as a private company not to make such figures public anyway.
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@Warface
Sure it was (Cologne 2001 if I'm not mistaken),but that does not mean
that Ben had kept the card......
It was also quite clearly a rebadged Sonnet-Card, without AGP,USB or
even a HD-controller .....
The "current" Shark is supposed to be based on MAI's Mirkoserver.
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Since we're straying away a little from OS4 on BPPC...
Rogue: Are you/Hyperion's programmers concentrating all efforts on OS4? Or are you'all also continuing on games programming? Are you'all planning on doing any games programming for the Pegasos system?
and now.....back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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@magic
Not alot of point coding games for the peg with the current user base.... most of hyperions stuff is now for Linux.
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Hey Skyraker are you still on some island in the Med?
It about the future...;-)
Morph is more than an OS -- it's a CONCEPT!
:-D
CHECK IT OUT!!! (http://www.pegasosppc.com/operating_systems.php)
R&B
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@bbrv
No, back in Blighty now......
Yeah, I know it's all about the future... whichever one that will be.
Neverthless, it's nice to see more solidartity in the community (on both sides) than was apparent last year. Can only be a good thing.
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OS4 for pegasos what a BRILLIANT idea.
Genesi gets OS4.....they also get Amiga DE when it integrates into OS4.....which solves the current court case....and provides a common platform for developers to write software for both platforms, the Amiga community is no longer split into a red and blue camp and a unified effort to push the amiga into the next generation commences!
WHat a great solution...so where is the hangup?
Oh...thats right, Genesi dont want to pay for the AmigaOne license.
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There's also the question of what happens to Morphos, alot of work has gone into it and i'm sure there are people who wouldnt want to see it on the sidelines.
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Hey Ion where have you been? We agreed to fund TWO DIFFERENT third party Resellers months ago...:-o
Skyraker, check this:
We are happy to have as many operating systems running on the Pegasos as possible! Again, why the Dell not! This in no way effects our commitment to MorphOS. USERS should have the FREEDOM to use whatever OS they want on the systems they buy. :-D
To steal a phase from Cecilia: the future is a big place! (there IS plenty for everyone ;-) )
R&B
P.S. Hi Rogue ...has anything really changed since our discussions in Cologne in December 2001? :-) Keep pressing ahead!! Best wishes!
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@bbrv
I've said it once and I'll say it again, I'll consider any kind of system that runs OS4.
So if you can get some kind of official ageement with Hyperion
about porting OS4 to the PegII then I'll definetly start saving
up some cash to be sent your way. :-)
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Are you/Hyperion's programmers concentrating all efforts on OS4? Or are you'all also continuing on games programming?
We do have a small crew of people that don't work on OS 4, and these are working on games ports (Linux and AmigaOS). That doesn't apply to any of the outside
Are you'all planning on doing any games programming for the Pegasos system?
We don't do anything for a specific hardware platform. We work on AmigaOS, Linux and Mac. If a platform runs any of these, chances are that it can run our games. I guess that Linux/PPC versions will also run on Pegasos hardware.
If/When Pegasos has an AmigaOS 4 licence, it will be able to run our stuff. We are not planning to do anything with MorphOS.
back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Hehe, sorry to disappoint you, but I decided to take this day off. I did have precious little sleep in the last 72 hours ;-)
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Hey Ion where have you been? We agreed to fund TWO DIFFERENT third party Resellers months ago..
So you are paying a third party to get AmigaOne certification?
Please clarify this
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heh, what a positive thread :-)
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P.S. Hi Rogue ...has anything really changed since our discussions in Cologne in December 2001?
I am trying to figure out what you mean, but I keep drawing a blank...
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Bodie wrote...
heh, what a positive thread
One stronger Amiga community... again !
What a dream...
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We said we would help you....you, your brother and Ben were all sitting there at the table -- Gerald and Thomas too! Think about it.
:-)
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@bbrv
I'm not disputing that we had that talk...
I'm positively sure that Gerald (Carda) and Thomas (Knäbel) where not present... We did talk with them at the show itself, later.
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@Skyraker
You always seem to remember to mention there is no point doing this and that for a merely 600 units market, forgetting there is zero (==0) market for OS4 as we speak. By your logic, we should wait OS4 specific software to start when the OS is out and selling.. or am I completely wrong?
Silly me, was thinking porting for Pegasos2 could be started on using Pegasos1 hardware, which is afterall, quite the same as in Peg2...
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- the non-standard hardware support. There has to be a certain amount of supported hardware - we're not going to sell it if it doesn't support at least a basic set of hardware to make it usable.
Are you speaking of the Zico spec here? :) :-D
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@DCS
Perhaps I am being a bit negative.
To nitpick regarding os4 market.. it's got to be greater than zero.... some A1 units have indeed shipped....
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Are you speaking of the Zico spec here?
Beg your pardon? I was talking about the Blizzard / Amiga 1200 version here.
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OS4 on BlizzardPPC :-D
OS4 on Pegasos2 :-o
After all that ranting and squabbling? :roll:
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redfox
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Well if OS4 were to become available for the Pegasos 2, it would only serve to finally bring together this community again. That's what we need. BBRV, you could earn alot of "healing points" with the community by making this a reality. Just think about that. (I know it will take Hyperion too, but that's the easy part)
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Wow! What exelent news!!! If this is at all true its a great plan that should move forward in all respects. I cany only see good from a Peg II system with OS4 support. Bring us all back together again! I'd buy OS4 for my CSPPC and get a Peg and ANOTHER copy of OS4. That would be two sales from me alone, pluss the hundreds more of us that would do the same I think.
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What exelent news!!!
Note that I merely said that it isn't ruled out, I didn't say there is anything affirmative about it. For the time being, only CSPPC, Blizzard and AmigaOne versions are planned. A Pegasos II version [color=FF0000]might[/color] be available at some point, if someone gets a licence agreement.