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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: Kees on August 22, 2003, 12:51:53 PM
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Taken from the AmigaOS4 mailing list:
"German Amiga portal Amiga-news.de reports: on an email sent by Jürgen Haage in which he seeks developers to port ArtEffect and StormC to AmigaOS4. Furthermore H&P will stop the sale of some of H&P's Amiga products. H&P's best sellers PageStream, StormC, ArtEffect and AmigaWriter will not be effected."
Check out the original post on Amiga-news.de (http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2003-08-00108-DE.html) (Note that this is in German)
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Hmm. Pagestream is H&Ps bestseller? But they don't make Pagestream :-)
Anyway, controversy around H&P aside, I'm glad to see packages such as StormC, ArtEffect and AmigaWriter will continue to be developed, as this can only be a positive thing for the Amiga community.
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Uhm, is there some rule that your own products have to be the best selling ones?
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No, but in this context, they were talking about the discontinuation of H&P products. Pagestream isn't made, or exclusively sold, by H&P, therefore how could H&P discontinue it even if they wanted to?
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h&p is the german distibutor and does the german translation of the program and the complete documentation.
byebye...
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Porting StormC to OS4 is very welcome. Hopefully someone picks the joboffer.
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Hmmmm .....
doesn't H&P have 1 or 2 paid developers with Amiga-experience ?
Why are they seeking external help ?
Somehow I fear they are hoping for someone to give them a free ride
(wouldn't be a premiere).
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>Porting StormC to OS4 is very welcome. Hopefully someone picks the joboffer
It's probably not a job offer in the strict sense, they are looking for a freelance programmer. I guess it means that this port is to be done at home and payment will come in form of royalties. Anyway, I hope that it gets ported to MorphOS as well, a source level debugger for gcc would be very welcome.
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@Kronos
doesn't H&P have 1 or 2 paid developers with Amiga-experience ?
Various posts on various mailing lists over the past two years or so would indicate that the enswer to that question is "no". I don't think they've had any in-house developers since the guy who ported UAE to QNX to get AmigaXL left them.
Mind you, if I was thinking of developing anything for AmigaOS4, I'd think long and hard before dealing with H&P on that basis.
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Id buy arteffect for os4 .
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Could it be that AmigaXL / Amithlon are the "H&P" products that will cease? This could lead the way for Bernithlon to see the light of day
:-D
and then I woke up :-(
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Porting StormC to OS4 is very welcome. Hopefully someone picks the joboffer.
Shouldn't be too difficult. We've already done the compiler toolchain that could be used, and with GDB we also have a source code level debugger. A nice GUI frontend for gdb would be very welcome indeed.
And double-clicking on an error message is definitely more comfortable than anything else :-)
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What I want to know is...
... how much will they pay me to do it?
All well and good doing it for the Good of the Community, but a kitty's got to eat.
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@Neko
Shouldn't you e-mail H&P this question? How should we know the answer ...?
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SlimJim ;-)
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well it makes sense they would stop the sale of some products.
For example, OS 3.9 won't be a big seller much longer...sure its still the last release for classic hardware (maybe unless they do OS 4.0 modules or 68k, as some suggested).
So...it seems H&P is still around as a software vendor....thats cool...and os 4 only? No morphos native ports?
surprised they are amiga loyalists.....but still its good they will offer some much needed software.
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Because they didn't ask, what I read in the article was
"Jurgen Haage emailed this to someone"
.. surely this is just a FYI, and not a formal request..?
Besides, who do I contact? Jurgen? Martin S?
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I would LOVE to have Storm C on my next machine, when I get one!! :-D
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@Neko
What I want to know is...
... how much will they pay me to do it?
All well and good doing it for the Good of the Community, but a kitty's got to eat.
I can't answer for H&P, but most likely the answer is "payment will be royalty based only". In other words, you do the work in your own time and you take the risk that low sales may fail to compensate you sufficiently for the man-hours you put into it. That was certainly the kind of deal H&P proposed the last time they asked for programmers (they were going to port a log analysing tool to OS4, did anyone hear anything more about that?), and it seems to be their company policy these days.
All I'd say to anyone planning to take this on is: make sure you have a solicitor vet any contract H&P send you before you sign it. You don't want it to contain the usual ambiguities their contracts tend to have, or you may end up regretting it.
Personally, while I think that adding a good IDE to gcc and gdb is pretty crucial in encouraging new developers, I'd prefer to see an open source effort. Depending on a company whose commitment is questionable and whose attitude is highly questionable is not a wise course of action.
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I wonder how womseone will port software on AmigaOS 4 while it's still
no available ...
Maybe the guy will start by adapting it to Gcc is it'snot already done
then prting in on MorphOS to check in it works :-)
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I wonder how womseone will port software on AmigaOS 4 while it's still no available ...
Quite easy - you sign up as a beta tester. The beta testers already have access to the SDK, and some of them are already adapting their stuff to OS 4.
Just because it isn't available to the public doesn't mean that no is is developing on it.
Heck, you can even use gdb for debugging :-)
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bhogget:
Personally, while I think that adding a good IDE to gcc and gdb is pretty crucial in encouraging new developers, I'd prefer to see an open source effort.
The existence of a commercial IDE does not prevent an open-source one from emerging. I'm sure there are a few open-source candidates for that that could be converted :-)
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Heck, you can even use gdb for debugging
What is so shameless about that plug?
And why is it a plug ?
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What is so shameless about that plug?
I don't grow tired to mention it...
And why is it a plug ?
I'm advertising ;-)
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What is so shameless about that plug?
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I don't grow tired to mention it...
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And why is it a plug ?
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I'm advertising
Ok. good answers :) I thiught gdb was GNU Debugger but maybe Im wrong and its somekind
of OS4 creation.. :/
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@Rogue
The existence of a commercial IDE does not prevent an open-source one from emerging. I'm sure there are a few open-source candidates for that that could be converted
I know. The point I was making was that if the developer will be expected to work for nothing (or just the measly "royalties" he'll get from a port) he may wish to consider porting one of the open source candidates. This would also have the overall advantage to the community that the IDE would not be glued to the compiler and so new versions could be plugged in as they are developed, something which is not currently possible with StormC AFAIK.
Under the current climate, working for royalties and being published by a company who are not investing anything in the platform may not be the wisest move. Now, if that publisher was to pay the developer up-front for his work, or according to a fixed contract, that would be another matter.
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@blubbe:
Gdb is the GNU Debugger. But it needed to be ported to AmigaOS (AFAIK there are only Unix and Windows versions available), and Rogue was the one who did it. He seems to be quite proud of his achievement, he keeps on mentioning it :-)
@Rogue:
Nicely done! Now all we need is for all these cool programs you and your buddies are writing to get into our hands :-D
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@blubbe:
Gdb is the GNU Debugger. But it needed to be ported to AmigaOS (AFAIK there are only Unix and Windows versions available), and Rogue was the one who did it. He seems to be quite proud of his achievement, he keeps on mentioning it
Ok. I was having a "bad brain day" :-P
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But it needed to be ported to AmigaOS (AFAIK there are only Unix and Windows versions available), and Rogue was the one who did it.
Actually, Thomas did it, not me. :-)
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Sorry, Hans-Joerg. I hope you'll understand if I get the two of you mixed up :-P
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Sorry, Hans-Joerg. I hope you'll understand if I get the two of you mixed up
It's easy, really - I'm the one with the blue lightsaber ;-)