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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Senex on August 19, 2003, 06:08:50 AM
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Genesi's corporate website Genesi.lu (http://www.genesi.lu) has been reworked. Furthermore the supported operating systems (http://www.pegasosppc.com/operating_systems.php) on PegasosPPC.com have been updated.
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Interesting... if you click on the boing ball under "The following Operating Systems are in the early stages of being ported to the Pegasos Platform", it takes you to the AmigaDE pages at de.amiga.com. Is there a port of DE to the Peggy in the works? does this mean the rift is closing? details, details!
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Does this mean we have to start calling AmigaNowhere AmigaSomewhere soon? :lol:
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Edited by admin : trolling
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Does this mean we have to start calling AmigaNowhere AmigaSomewhere soon
Damn, i read that as 'Amiga Now Here', but i guess thats not what you ment :-)
/LB
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Poster: ikir Date: 2003/8/19 10:33:59
"The following Operating Systems are in the early stages of being ported to the Pegasos Platform:
Amiga "
How Genisi il LAME!!!!!! Oh My God!!!!! Rwally funny!!! Too stupid......
"Genesi How we do LAME things"
Whats up Ikir.. you haven't been trolling at MZ for a long time. We miss you already.
I can't see any reason to LOL about DE for Pegasos, I see it only as a good thing when it comes to Amiga / Amiga Inc.
Maybe someone could educate me why this is so bad?
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I personally think that this sort of announcement leads to confusion. With the wording as it is in the announcement, a few people have thought this to mean OS4 support rather than DE (e.g. ANN - http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1061267806&category=unmoderated&start=1&38 (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1061267806&category=unmoderated&start=1&38) ).
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Ikir,
Please explain what you think is so funny in this situation? I really don't understand. DE is being ported to MorphOS. There are legal issues which I cannot get into, but it is happening.
We have also found that you can run AmigaOS under emulation and still have it be faster than any native MC680x0 Amiga ever built. As such, your humor eludes me.
Wayne Hunt
Genesi, USA
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ALT TAGS!!!
TITLE TAGS!!!
WHERE ARE THEY!!?
(gets back off his accessibility high horse)
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I can see why people find this confusing - maybe thats what Ikir is amused at?
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Amiga DE is not AmigaOS. Unde the page of Operating System if i read Amiga i think to AmigaOS.
Genesi is simply cheating. And for me is LOL :lol:
Update the page writing AMIGA DE not Amiga with the boing ball.
I troll? You confuse me with yourself? MZ? MorphZone?
Again, i like MorphOS and Pegasos and in the past i had think to buy one.... but GENESI is a lamer company.
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they should just port DE to the openamiga standard and have it for Morph,OS 4 and Aros... :-D
~runs~
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Very nice site again, concrats!
btw the amiga checkmark seems to be in wrong colours, please fix ;)
@Wayne
>>Please explain what you think is so funny in this situation? I
really dont understand. DE is being ported to MorphOS.<<
The funny thing probably is, that its high unlikely that DE is being
ported to Pegasos.
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The funny thing probably is, that its high unlikely that DE is being ported to MorphOS
Sorry to disappoint you. It is.
Wayne Hunt
Genesi, USA
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@Wayne
Could you elaborate on this some, i dont think Amiga Inc is willing to develop for the "competition" as stated earlier regarding OS4, and legal issues aside you can't force a company to actually develop/port something for someone if they don't want to. They can always avoid it.
Besides, i tought Amiga didn´t have any money for anything ;-)
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Step,
While I know what's going on, it's not my place to elaborate. Sorry. You might want to ask the appropriate people.
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@Hooligan_DCS
Not really. Just being ported to MorphOS won't make AmigaDE any less lame than it is now. My guess is that the ability to use the Amiga trademark is more valuable than anything AmigaDE will ever add to the Pegasos.
OTOH, I'm inclined to wait until this is confirmed by the other parties involved. I've heard unilateral claims before, and most of the time they don't turn out to be true.
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bhogget: well. I'll agree. AmigaDE has not been a huge success and
even if it appeared to Pegasos (standalone or running atop of some
Os?) it would not make it much more interesting.
But... perhaps this all has some deeper mening in it. :)
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>Amiga DE is not AmigaOS. Unde the page of
>Operating System if i read Amiga i think to
>AmigaOS.
That's what you may think, but that's nothing about how Amiga defines themselves (from the Amiga homepage):
"About Amiga
Amiga Inc. established itself in 1985 as the premier
provider of multi-media technologies
in the world. Today, Amiga continues leading the
way in multi-media by providing language
independent technologies to developers for writing
and porting applications to a new multi-media
platform that is hardware agnostic. AmigaDE,
powered with intent(TM) from the Tao Group,
enables applications to run unchanged on a broad
range of processors including ARM, StrongARM,
Intel X-Scale, MIPS, Intel x86, Motorola 68K and
Hitachi SH. It can run hosted on a wide variety of
operating systems including Windows CE .NET,
Windows 9x, 2000, Windows XP, Linux, and
Embedded Linux. Amiga is based in Snoqualmie,
WA, and has offices worldwide."
Nothing about some other "AmigaOS" there.
>Update the page writing AMIGA DE not Amiga with >the boing ball
The boing ball seems to be the official AmigaDE logo
(see de.amiga.com).
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Some things should be clarified:
1) "AmigaOS 3.x": Does it refers to the MorphOS ABox emulation ? or UAE ?
2) "AmigaDE": Is it a (Linux) hosted port ? If not, what is it exactly ?
@+,
Leo.
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re: bobsonsirjonny:
Yeah me too. saw this on ann.
Immediate reaction "oh aye !".
had a look at the provided link.
reaction "oh. ooh! eh ?"
clicked on link at genesi ...
reaction "ahhh. hmmm. marketing !"
Nice to see though !
personally dunt bother me as I have an A1 already, but nice to see the DE getting onto non x86 (ie: PPC) hardware (apart from PDAs 'n' Phones).
for whoever it was who asked, no it probably will be a native porting of the elate / intent layers and APIs, atop which the DE stuff will run.
pity I cant get it on PPC linux, cos I'd really like to play with it, but I presume this will be available for OS4.x customers first ?
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@Wayne:
Can you tell us at least when we could expect some sort of announcement? I don't think the DE as such is such a great idea (native code will always be more efficient - just look at how slow Java and C# are), but the implications are staggering: are amiga and genesi finally burying the hatchet? did the two Bills sit down and realize that the pie is so small, that unless they share no-one's getting anything worthwhile?
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Here's hoping its tsops the flame wars, and makes people grow up...
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My guess is that the ability to use the Amiga trademark is more valuable than anything AmigaDE will ever add to the Pegasos
Right. I don't like Genesi because they USE the "Amiga" word only when they want. And then attack Amiga inc, OS4 ecc ecc.
The 99% of amigans AND normal computer users when see "Amiga" under the supported OPERATING SYSTEM think to AmigaOS. This is not an opinion. So OS4 is not going to be ported to Pegasos (yet).... in conclusion Genesi cheats with false propaganda.
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Last time I checked on who owns the Amiga trademark.... :-)
Anyhows...if you click the link now...you get a different page that indicates that the referring page is not authorized to use the trademark...maybe they should lookup who owns the trademark. :-)
I would buy Hyperion OS if it was ported to the Pegasos.
:-D :-D :-D
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@dslcc
I just checked the site, same site as it was yesterday.
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It's funny to see unofficial Ainc at works. Now that link to AmigaDE
no longer work cause some semi-amateur webmaster has decided Genesi
has no right to link to it
:roflmao:
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@JoannaK
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Yup, I know I was being too childish here, and opening it up for trolling, so my appologies. And Ray, I was not meaning to insult your web coding skill, it's just that I never could get the site to render properly on most web browsers I run. (Opera is a good example)
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@downix
Which is itself illegal
No it isn't.
It's childish, petulant and petty, but not illegal. It's the responsibility of the linking site to maintain live links, not that of the site being linkted to, so while a certain person may be acting like a spoiled baby, he's not doing anything illegal this time.
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It's funny to see unofficial Ainc at works. Now that link to AmigaDE no longer work cause some semi-amateur webmaster has decided Genesi has no right to link to it
Ahh.. Typical, when you can't fight the result you go for cheap shots at the implementor. You might as well give up by the way. I've been insulted by far better and more important.
Fact is, while I was one of 2 that came up with the idea, the decision to effect it, came from the Amiga Executive crew which, for your information, makes it official. See, it is on the Amiga, Inc. website. And what did Bill say to you fine people? If it is Official Amiga business or activity, it will be on the Amiga, Inc. website.
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Edited by admin : personal attack
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Official? Ah well.. matter of definition. But if it's official to you
who am I to disagree.
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Official? Ah well.. matter of definition.
I don't understand who is "Official" w.r.t Amiga, Inc. if not the executives themselves but, please, continue wearing those blinders if it suits your purpose. Who am I to lead a horse to water? :-)
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Sorry, this is an invalid link. The site that referred you is not authorized to use Amiga trademarks or names.
Sue them! Sue them!
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Ah well... back to business as usual then.
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Sorry, this is an invalid link. The site that referred you is not authorized to use Amiga trademarks or names.
Someone at Amiga Inc. should maybe take a legal course and get informed about the "fair use" of trademarks. Or at least drop an email to Ben Hermans so he can explain the matter to you. I am sure he is more than willing to help.
Amiga's claim that Genesi may not use any Amiga trademarks anywhere at anytime unless Amiga agrees, is simply wrong and just shows a complete lack of knowledge as far as trademark rights go.
Anyway, nice try. Better luck next time. Just make sure you will ask someone who actually knows something about trademark rights.
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@Hooligan_DCS
Sue them! Sue them!
...like they sued H&P! :roflmao:
(and they even had a valid case that time)
Note to the idiot at Amiga Inc that came up with this one: it's quite legal for anyone to link to your site, and use your trademarked name and logo as reference to the link. They don't need your permission.
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@BHoggett
That's how I remember aswell, thats why I'd be more than interested to see how it would be settled in court of law.
But I am quite sure Amiga Inc.'s army of lawyers have given OK! & Thumbs Up for the short note and I am wrong once again.
Sorry mama, I won't do it again :cry:
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>Sue them! Sue them!
If the text is really there then this might be more the
otherway around because of the text.
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So DE is being ported to MOS then? It seems AI aren't too happy about the idea.... more piracy and trademark infringement from the other camp ?
It's a pity AI don't have the resources to sue them, hell they don't even have office furniture !
@Wayne
Wayne Hunt, Genesi USA? lol I was right all along then! btw can you tell us how youre going to port DE to MOS without the permission (and indeed code) of AI?
Regards
sKy
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No, your grandmother would rip off and retool the MacOS site design
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DE is being ported to MorphOS.
So how come they cant get os4 but they can get amiga anywhere . :-o
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@Skyraker
Wow. You seem to know lots of things. Care to elaborate about what piracy-issues you're referring to, and while there give me an update of the trademark infringement aswell. Thanks.
As for your lolling, firstly, mr.Hunt joining Genesi is ancient news, and secondly, he is not porting a ####.
It's kinda funny that Amiga Inc. can take the money from the userbase, but is openly hostile towards licensing money. Maybe it's because when you license something you›are expected to actually have something to license at some point too.
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@Ikir
I think you made it very clear what you think of Genesi.
Unless you have somthing contructive to add to this thread, i suggest you leave it at this.
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The situation is as follows:
We felt we had a valid license agreement. Amiga Inc. did not and contested this. We took the appropriate legal action to resolve the disagreement. All documents associated with the resolution of this matter will be in the public domain. In the meanwhile, as we know and are comfortable with the result of this disagreement, we have added the Amiga trademarks to our website and linked to the appropriate webpage.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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Thank you Raquel and Bill.
I think that is an excellent summary and will resolve most questions, or create more. :-)
Wayne
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Trolling? Why Downix posts take so longer to be censored?
Downix works for Genesi, i work in an internet point. It is different.
@ Downix again: Amiga Inc website is well organised and designed. If you don't like it you don't need to insult the webmaster.
I must remember to you the old (few weeks ago) Morhpos.net design? this was amateurish. You are insulting for free AMiga Inc everytime you can, so don't expect any respect from me and other real amiga users.
So, i ask to kees not to delete this, because it is not trolling, but an attack to a troll.
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Wayne could you please delete my account here at A.org.
After having used A.org for many years I simply find this place have become to biased.
I also find it's moderators lacking the needed skills to ensure that personal attacks are removed (calling people idiots etc. is not ok IMHO).
Hope Genesi pays you really well, wonder if it is your skills or your website they wanted to buy, probably both I hope!
[ EDIT ] Having recieved a nice email from Kees I decided to keep my account, although I will probably be participating a little less than I use to..
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Ikir,
I don't know who moderated you, but it's often how you say things here, not necessarily what you said.
There is a difference between saying "Person X is an arse" and "Person X is a ####### ####". I don't even know what you said, so don't try to defend it to me. I don't care. :-)
I will point out that both Downix and HMetal were moderated as well as you were for what I would consider childish namecalling.
Wayne
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@ Ikir
If you have a problem with downix, you shoud mail him and solve things in private.
Trolling? Why Downix posts take so longer to be censored?
sign, I can't do two things on the same time ...
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Troels,
I can't delete your account, but I'm sure someone here will help you out. I'm just sorry to see that you feel that way. There are 10 people running the site, and believe me when I tell you that while some might tend to lean towards Genesi's direction, each person on the staff has their direct Amiga Inc supporting counterpart.
I have, in fact, never seen a more perfectly balanced staff. Now if you guys could only get over the idea that I am still involved. All I do any more is answer questions related to "how do I?" or "should we put this in the FAQ". I do not run this site nor am I directly involved in the day-to-day operations.
Wayne
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@bhoggett
that actually is what I was thinking of, thank you for clarifying it better than I could.
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The old MorphOS.net site was, well, _very_ old and not created by Genesi S.a.r.l. Andre did his usual wonders and came up with a beautiful design.
Damien
WebGuru for Genesi S.a.r.l.
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@ troels
I just mailed you regarding your request.
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Hi BBRV..
Could it be possible to publish some joint statement of this
settlement (as I understand from your Ann.lu post) from involved
parties? It would hopefully clear things up a little.
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Great news! I'm a bit shocked that only real out come was achieved before this went to court, but i'm happy it did. Perhaps the red and blue wars can come to a peaceful end and we can become a community once again. Pity this all took almost a whole year away from us.
Dammy