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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: m3x on July 30, 2003, 12:46:16 PM
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Hi all.
Just uploaded on my S I T E (http://www.soft3dev.net/download.php?file=duke3dwos_beta1.lha) a first quick Duke Nukem 3D WarpOS port.
It's untested, unoptimized and without sound support.
There isn't 3D acceleration yet.
To test it, increase your shell stack size to 16384 and your partition buffer to 2000.
To install it, just follow the instructions found on the original 68k port from Dante/Oxyron.
When reporting bugs report, please include as many as possible informations, and don't a simple "here it doesn't work" ;-)
Please send any bugs report to: glquake@libero.it
Ciao
Massimiliano Tretene, S o f t 3 - d e v (http://www.soft3dev.net)
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As I said on a m i g a w o r l d . n e t, you don't need an *installed* version at all. Simply copy the contents of "ATOMIC15:ATOMINST/" to the place where you want to install Duke3D, then install the amiga version over that. Also, make sure when editing the duke3d.cfg that you save it in DOS text format (CR+LF).
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@Moderators
I can't believe a m i g a w o r l d . n e t gets censored out like a swearword... isn't that a bit childish?
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I can't believe a m i g a w o r l d . n e t gets censored out like a swearword... isn't that a bit childish?
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-Edit- HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha :-P
-Edit2- it's extremely childish, but hell gave me a laugh.
Note: if you see ####, then it's probably a ref to the "official" amiga portal....
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And they wonder why this site has such a bad reputation now.
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Hi guys,
I just sent the following email to Massimiliano explaining a problem I encountered with level 2, and I'm just curious whether anyone else has experienced the same thing or not.
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Hi,
I just wanted to let you know I tried out your port, and it looks great, and is very fast compared to the 68k version.
I did however run into a problem on the second level. The first level played fine, and I was averaging about 20fps at 640x400.
The second level however did not play fine. When you start the second level, you start in the bottom of a vent or elevator shaft, and as you exit the shaft (into an open area, like a parking lot or something like that) there is a bad guy flying around in a plane. I don't know if it is caused by the plane or what, but my frame
rate dropped to about 4 fps, and the game suddenly became totally unplayable. As soon as I stepped out into the open, I was dead before I even knew what was going on.
Just thought I'd let you know that although there were no crashes or anything like that, all of a sudden the game runs into real problems.
Cheers,
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And they wonder why this site has such a bad reputation now.
It does? bzzzt.
As for word filter? You got me, but i guess it could have been done.
-edit- I see it is. Oh well, can't say I am surprised. Brought it upon themselves.
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Yep, it does. Unless you are completely arrogant and holding your hands over your ears and shouting lalalalalalalala at the top of your voice you must have heard the comments - and its not just "bitter people".
Brought it upon themselves.
Yeah, right. Nice to see Amiga.org moderators occupy the moral highground.
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Yep, it does. Unless you are completely arrogant and holding your hands over your ears and shouting lalalalalalalala at the top of your voice you must have heard the comments
Umm excuse me Dave? Why the &%$^ are you trying to start a flame war? I though higher of you than that. Would you like to point out HERE where these nasty anti AO coments are?
Yeah, right. Nice to see Amiga.org moderators occupy the moral highground.
You aren't going to do it Dave, I'm not sinking into a flamewar with you, sorry.
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ANN, ####, irc chat rooms. Its there, Im pointing it out to you.
I don't want a flamewar, I just want you to listen without prejudice to me, and to yourself.
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"20fps at 640x400. "
have you tried to play at 320x200? afaik the game was designed to run at that resolution...
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ANN, ####, irc chat rooms. Its there, Im pointing it out to you.
I could say the exact same thing about what people say about aw.net, but I won't.
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Of course, and mayhaps they have a point. I have been strident in my comments about #### in the past and will continue in the future.
At least I can type in:
amiga.org
morphos
etc
....without it blanking it out.
Issues with moderation we can deal with, individually.
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Hi
Just as I told you on the email, and as a suggestion to others as well, when someone encounter a similar problem, please send me a saved game of the level, this way I can test it on my setup.
Ciao
Massimiliano Tretene, S o f t 3 - d e v (http://www.soft3dev.net)
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At least I can type in:
amiga.org
morphos
etc
....without it blanking it out.
And AROS!!!! :-D
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@DaveP
I have no idea why it is now filtered out, however considering my personal issues with them in the past I am inclined to give my fellow moderators the benefit of doubt. I'm sure there was a reason.
-edit- Let me make myself clear though, my issues are past tense. I have no problems with most of the users of that website, I have met some of them personally and think very highly.
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@redrumloa
Right, but what I am pointing at is that it doesn't exactly single Amiga.org out as being the one that has had the best reaction to past disputes :-) Hence my moral highground point. If you take away the reasons people slate Amiga.org on fora ( or make it plainer that they are wrong through actions ) expect the whinging to dissipate.
Regards
Dave.
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@redrumloa:
Umm excuse me Dave? Why the &%$^ are you trying to start a flame war? I though higher of you than that.
The wording may be slightly more aggressive than usual, but the mere fact that DaveP is openly critisizing amiga.org does not equal "starting a flamewar".
Word filters? It gets worse every day...
I'm sure there was a reason.
I'd love to hear that reason...
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@DaveP
I'm not sure why this was added to the list of words to filter, I'm discussing it with the rest of the staff members as we speak. I don't think a filter such as this is a good idea, foul language on the other hand should be filtered. I'll get some feedback from the staff and see what should be done. If it is my decision then the filter will be removed.
For now, I've taken the filter off and you can type AmigaWorld.net again without being filtered. Until I get a good reason why we need it filtered it will remain like this; However, I don't see a good reason coming any time soon.
:pint:
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Gotta try it myself
www.amigaworld.net
http://www.amigaworld.net
EDIT: uh.. what am I doing wrong, or has the filter been removed?
EDIT 2: Oh I see.. didn't read the thread to the end
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Thank you.
dé·tente ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-tänt, -tät)
n.
A relaxing or easing, as of tension between rivals.
A policy toward a rival nation or bloc characterized by increased diplomatic, commercial, and cultural contact and a desire to reduce tensions, as through negotiation or talks.
Regards
Dave.
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Hi guys,
Can you do us a favour, and stop posting non-Duke releated stuff in this thread?
I'm trying to provide feedback to the author about his port and share my findings with others, and this thread is getting overwhelmed with non-related content.
Thanks,
Stuart
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@xfactor
You are absolutely right. Anything further OT should be moved to the forums.
Back on topic, I look foward to trying the various Duke ports on my Peggy. I have been unable to play my Duke since it is broken under XP on the PC. :-x
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>"20fps at 640x400. "
> >have you tried to play at 320x200? afaik the game >was designed to run at that resolution...
Yep, I tried it at a bunch of different resolutions. At 320x200, I was getting about 60fps. I also tried 400x300, 512x320 and 800x600.
400x300 and 512x320 framerates were as I expected (it seemed to be a pretty linear decrease in framerate as I raised the resolution in steps.)
800x600 was pretty slow - can't remember the fps.
As for what resolution the game was designed to run in, I'm not sure. As you increase the resolution, the game gets better looking, but you can see that the textures and the character models are limited when you get up closer to them.
Cheers,
Stuart
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@DaveP it may have a bad reputation among hardline amiga camp ppl (because this site isnt pulling punches anymore) ...but overall its reputation is that of a moderate site. go on ann.lu/moobunny/etc and ask them about Amiga.org... see what they think of it. My guess? the people you'll find who hate this site are generally angry about people not supporting amiga IMO... thats sad...but true... if you want this site to support amiga verbatim your gonna need to get up alot of money, buy it, start kicking and banning people left and right...and live with your microbase of users posting very miopic posts mainly about classic amiga questions. This site reflects its users and maybe thats the problem...nobody micro manages it and nobody "really' censors it... users submit news, users post int he forums, companies with money pay for add space, etc etc etc.... if you consider it biased maybe its the community that is biased and not the site!.... Ann/Moobunny/etc all have the same type of flamewars/bickering/etc that this site has.
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"This site reflects its users and maybe thats the problem...nobody micro manages it and nobody "really' censors it... users submit news, users post int he forums, companies with money pay for add space, etc etc etc.... if you consider it biased maybe its the community that is biased and not the site!..."
That's just bullshiit. I was really surprised by this. I've allways thought of this site as the unbiased place. It doesn't matter if the community runs it or not. The community could run it and some people still be unbiased, and that's what this proves. I visit Amigaworld.net as I visit any other Amiga site, and the simple fact that someone filtered it's name clearly shows how unbiased some moderators are. And a site can NOT be unbiased with biased moderators. Not talking about all moderators of couse. But if you look at some news/titles forums in the past you clearly see that if same things were posted about the other camp, and in the same manner, they would probably be moderated. But then again there doesn't seem to be a similar drive in the other camp to try to trash everything, so one cannot say for sure.
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double post..sorry
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Jose maybe you prove my point for me... but I will respond to that and say that this site is not a dictatorship its a democracy... or maybe just an oligarcy?... there are many moderators here...some support Pegasos/MOS, some support A1/AOS4...and some dont care about either... they do not moderate just for the hell of it... the pro-amiga.inc threads have died down...maybe thats not the moderators fault? if you dont post them...they dont exist...and therefore cannot be moderated away or left alone...
Some moderator may have made amigaworld a swear word...as a goof... because to some its become the antithesis of this site to some degree (I personally dont believe it has, its just a place for folks interested in Amiga.inc products alone) ...or percieved as such (the whole debacle of mass exodus)... but it dosent prove this site is biased in any way.
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Hmm, ok somewhat exagerated reaction from me.
As long as it stays democratic and unbiased (not allways the same ugh:)) it's good.
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If I can get back OT, this version doesn't work for me either. It gets farther than dante's, and starts the game, but I can't move (although I can quit). This was on Pegasos, I haven't tried on my Amiga yet.
I think my copy of this game is broken somehow...
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Hi KennyR!
Just a quick question: have you edited the config file?
It's a MSDOS txt file, and you need to use an editor which save the file with the same format.
Let me know if this was your problem.
Ciao
Massimiliano Tretene, S o f t 3 - d e v (http://www.soft3dev.net)
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m3x wrote:
Just a quick question: have you edited the config file?
It's a MSDOS txt file, and you need to use an editor which save the file with the same format.
Let me know if this was your problem.
No, I didn't touch it at all. :-(
Edit: But looking at it now with a hex editor, the linefeeds are all standard 0x0a ones...so someone has. Hmm... That could be the problem.
Edit 2: I loaded the cfg file with EditPad on Windows and saved as an MS-DOS text file. Now all the linefeeds are PC 0x0d0a ones. It still doesn't work though. :-( My version of the game is broken, it must be.
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Edit 2: I loaded the cfg file with EditPad on Windows and saved as an MS-DOS text file. Now all the linefeeds are PC 0x0d0a ones. It still doesn't work though. My version of the game is broken, it must be.
I doubt it. I had the same problem so I moved the files from the Pegasos to my Amiga 4000 and it worked fine.
Seems that people that run Radeon cards have better luck. Which card are you using with your Pegasos?
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about people not supporting amiga IMO... thats sad...but true... if you want this site to support amiga verbatim
The site should not have a policy to support either one. It should merely moderate fairly at all times to ensure reasonable behaviour during debates and discussions.
you want this site to support amiga verbatim your gonna need to get up alot of money, buy it, start kicking and banning people left and right...
Why should anyone have to buy it to get fairer moderation or expect civilised behavior from its participants? When Amiga Inc hosted it, people were flaming Amiga Inc, now Genesi host it they are seen as great saviours(?). If either Genesi or Amiga Inc have or had placed undue pressure on the moderators to adopt one political persuasion over the other that is totally unnacceptable.
We all now know what has been undergoing for a while now, that has resulted in Wayne being employed at Genesi but Wayne did the wise thing - he stepped down as webmaster recognising there is a difference between actual and percieved reality. He could have stayed on and moderated fairly in my view - not because all his decisions were fair but you could explain to him how they appeared to others and he would listen and if he agreed - retract. But in others view, he was hopelessly compromised.
The only problem that most people worth listening to have with amiga.org is that it is claimed that flamebait designed to rile up "Red Camp" is not moderated whereas flamebait designed to rile up "Blue Camp" is.
Now I happen to see a significant bias in some moderators, I see some other moderators who could be biased but are able to put the gadget they own or the personal relationships to one side, and I see some other moderators whom you never really get to see what motivates them - they just moderate. I even see some moderators joining in the "fun" provoking "Red Camp" users. Given moderators should in my view set an example I have written many PMs only to delete it at the last minute thinking "what the hell, there are better things to do in life than be here".
Regardless of this being true or not many "Red Camp" users no longer frequent this site frankly because they are fed up with it. We are talking significant numbers.
Now either Amiga.org is the place where blue and red camps can have a meeting of minds and get on constructively or it is seen as the place where if you want to talk about OS4 or A1 you have to wade through pages of jeering trolls and MorphOS/Pegasos ads from the same very small ( about 5 nicknames ) number of activist users.
In the main, it seems to me that the the red camp is far less militant and respectful these days towards Genesi and MorphOS and its userbase. We are constructing an uneasy peace on the channels and the foras - detente is a better word.
Now we can change the way this website is percieved either through democratic means by the members generally behaving respectful towards each other and their choices - this does not require the moderators to lift a finger - because this is the problem or we can ask the moderators to do tighter and "fairer" moderation ( e.g. as to how it is percieved by approximately half of its page hits ).
But you are right, it is the users on this site that have given it a bad reputation, democratically, and some inaction on the part of certain moderation staff has compounded it to make it look official policy. Thats what checks and balances are supposed to deal with. I suggest that even the moderators have recognised this because I see more intervention over the last month than ever before.
Im not coming down saying either is right or wrong in this, Im telling you how I see it.
But this debacle over banning "amigaworld.net" keywords just made Amiga.org look like a poorly behaved child.
Sorry for continuing to hijack this thread, but there were several responses on here I felt deserved some explanation and clarification.
Regards
Dave.
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I can't believe a m i g a w o r l d . n e t gets censored out like a swearword... isn't that a bit childish?
-EDIT- Oops, I should've read the whole thread first.
I feel I have to point out that I also feel that such a move was pathetically childish and by far the worst thing I've ever seen from the (normally decent) moderation here, unless someone can provide a valid explanation.
Sad day.
I'm glad to see it has been put right though.
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But this debacle over banning "amigaworld.net" keywords just made Amiga.org look like a poorly behaved child.
Not really, I don't know how or why amigaworld.net was added to the banned words list, but as soon as it was noticed it was removed...
I see that as a very mature course of action. Everyone makes mistakes, it's how one deals with tham that shows ones level of maturity.
Damn I'm taking this OT now :-(
Duke3d for WarpOS.. cool!!! I must try it out, now where did I put my BlizzPPC card?
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Well quite, matter over, I was merely elaborating for Mips :-)
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madgun wrote:
Seems that people that run Radeon cards have better luck. Which card are you using with your Pegasos?
A radeon.
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Now either Amiga.org is the place where blue and red camps can have a meeting of minds and get on constructively or it is seen as the place where if you want to talk about OS4 or A1 you have to wade through pages of jeering trolls and MorphOS/Pegasos ads from the same very small ( about 5 nicknames ) number of activist users.
I really do see your point...but if you go to moobunny/ann or pretty much anywhere except amigaworld.net... you will see plenty of anti-amiga.inc posts by what you might define as trolls...(I dont define most as trolling)...basically if you zoom your camera in and just watch this site...you see them as the persecuted because so many people are against the red side (red bieng amiga.inc product followers)...but if you zoom out and view as a whole... most sites these days in our little community are populated by many who feel jaded by amiga.inc and are vocal about it (not the same little group but many people from many places)
now about this amigaworld.net issue... if you believe the rumors about mass exodus (I do) then I think this site bieng used as free add space for them is wrong... sure we could sit back and be the bigger guy for a while but bottom line is...its useing amiga.org's bandwidth to feed amigaworld.net hits...
the moderators are people to, some of them have very solid reasons for not trusting amiga.inc and moderating away news items that are deemed stupid by the majority (democracy in action) of people here... I pretty much dont see any bias in moderators... can you give some examples of what they have done that went against the majority of users here? what exactly did they do?... I mean... you gotta have some irrefutable examples of obvious bias.
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the moderators are people to, some of them have very solid reasons for not trusting amiga.inc and moderating away news items that are deemed stupid by the majority (democracy in action) of people here... I pretty much dont see any bias in moderators... can you give some examples of what they have done that went against the majority of users here? what exactly did they do?... I mean... you gotta have some irrefutable examples of obvious bias.
I agree with pretty much everything you say but if we are to continue to discuss this, and Im sure an opportunity to explore it further will come up, we need to do it away from this thread in Talkabout or something.
Dave.