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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: Targhan on July 19, 2003, 07:37:09 AM
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Here's a teaser: the AmiWest Edition of the Super Bundle for MorphOS is ready! Phoenix and Genesi have been hard at work to roll out the first edition of this multi-CD set, pictured below, to be debuted at AmiWest.
(http://www.morphzone.org/images/test.png) (http://www.phinixi.com/show_image.php?id=112)
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Sorry, horrible logo :-)
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Thought so, too, back then when I saw it the first time - but fortunately most people will download it from FTP anyway rather than getting the Superbundle physically.
Once they aim at the broader public next year or so, I'd suggest that Genesi changes the cover of the bundle, since I doubt it will fit the european and especially german taste, rather being kind of problematic maybe.
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Hei ikir!
It is not so bad...:-D !!!
Thanks Andre! We like it and so does everyone at PhuperBundle@phinixi.com! (Hi Senex...Andre is German as you know! :-) )
The CD set is really just a starting point. It is our intention that the SuperBundle is a "living" collection of applications, like the AmiNet, to grow and grow into the future. There will be core applications that can be updated via an installer online and "community" inspired applications that will be "certified" and released in the same way. We will work with all the maintainers to insure that as MorphOS evolves that the SuperBundle evolves with it. In the future, we hope we can establish a similar package of applications for every OS running on the Pegasos.
Here is an example of what to expect...
With Pro Station Audio, Bars 'n' Pipes on and DigiBooster Pro the MorphOS digital audio workstation idea is developing very well! Thanks to Alfred Faust, Martin Blom, and a comfortable license agreement with Mario we managed this nice package that will be included in the SuperBundle/MorphOS.
Again, the ultimate SuperBundle goal:
1) provide great applications for the Pegasos -- starting with MorphOS
2) provide updates
3) channel the community support and interest with a FTP pipeline to release new applications and updates.
That is the plan!
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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I think it looks very nice, It has a nice norman rockwell look... like an olympian ... very nice... good to see it has a box!...
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:-D What's that over the starboard bow? It's a bird! It's a plane! NO! It's Captain Pegasos!!! :lol:
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I like the artwork, the packaging, and everything else about the superbundle.
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Yes, olympian, that's why I think it might be not such a lucky choice - since the style of the cover of the packet itself (rather than this logo here) might remind some people rather of Olympia 1936.
Personally I certainly don't mind this (besides that it's just not my kind of taste), but if even I think the cover could be problematic because of this, then it might really turn out to be it later.
I can imagine that most readers here - not familar with the situation today in Germany regarding "political correctness" etc. -, can't understand why this cover could be not the optimal choice, but being an international and professional company, Genesi will have to be aware of the different cultures, politics, "published opinions" and tastes, etc.
So while I can really understand that for example from the US-american mentality such a "hero" is a pleasant choice, I just want to point out that even already in Germany, as US-americanized as it already is, it wouldn't fit that much many people's taste. I.e. while the actual case isn't that much a problem (not that many customers yet and most of them will download it instead anyway), I just wanted to remember Genesi to be aware of such thoughts once they'll also start selling to the masses in culturally really different countries.
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Dear Senex, thanks for the thoughtful concerns. We appreciate your feedback and certainly do not want to offend anyone for cultural or historical reasons.
Now, having said that one "hero" from the 1936 Olympics was Jessie Owens! :-D All will admit he was a SuperBundle of speed and energy! :-)
To your point, you are correct in your suggestions, which is why we will position the Pegasos as a non-west-coast-USA product. This will have broad appeal here in Europe and elsewhere. Linux started here. CBM was more successful here. SMS messaging and the digital path to multimedia communication is blazing a solid path here. Further, the transtion to digital terrestrial television will be accomplished here first. DVB is now almost the universal choice in Europe...all said it indicates enormous opportunity. Thus, we need to be very sensitive to each star of the constellation we are contemplating. Thanks again for your thoughts. We appreciate your concerns.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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so your saying that olympian (hero) = nazi? ... I dont think so...political correctness must be extreme in Germany if a blue clothes, dark haired olympian looking character could raise anti-sentiment...
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@meerschaum
Not generally olympian="nazi" of course, but the style of art the actual cover is drawn reminds of the art favoured during the "thousand years" of the Third Reich.
@bbrv
Am always positively surprised and glad to see which broad knowledge the heads of my favourite computer manufacturer do have, be it younger history/sports like in this case or ancient history, philosophy, literature or other topics in other cases. Am agreeing with Saint in that other thread at MorphOS-News.de that I wonder where you get the time from to build up and run a company, educate yourself that much and play demoversions of games Epic is porting to MorphOS. :-)
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@Senex :") Thanks, have the Carpenter Shop building carts now...;-)
R&B %-)
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Damn, that looks bad. However came up with that idea/design?
Not really important if the content is good, but still...
Congratulations for releasing actual products...something of a rarity in the amiga community the last 5 or so years.
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jesus...that must be the crappiest design i have seen in ages...sorry but thats how my eyes responded together with my brain..
also, FIRST impression is ALWAYS the most important thing...changE it..
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The idea of having a MorphOS man is stunning. The picture is very well made also. My two suggestion for Genesi is to add wings to him, and/or make a female counterpart for him.
Yes, it's resembling to old Olympic times, and ancient comics. And it's better than what my artistic abilities permit, :-)
I'd love to have faceless archangels as MorphOS symbols though :-) (Have you seen the game: Celtic Legends?)
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Personally I think it's fine apart from some questionable anotomical knowledge (the head looks small and the forearms are curved). but I doubt most people will even notice, never mind care.
As for reminding people of stuff I think it'll more likely to be associated with Superman or such like, I don't think there are many in our potential market 67 years old.
I don't think there's anything Nazi abut it, it looks like a generic super hero to me. If it had a swastika* then there'd be something to complain about.
*The swastika is only a symbol the Nazis picked up, it's been around for thousands of years and is thought to have originally come from a passing comet. Read "Comet" by Carl Sagen for more details.
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LOL! Targhan, you are killing me with your "Captain Pegasos" comments! Not in the habit of criticizing art, and I see that the picture has some artistic merit, but I must say I find this muscled superhero man a bit humorous.
At least however, it is "different" and "memorable!"
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Ok ok, it is not horrible... nice image but i hate the subject :-) I don't like super heros in gay dress :-D
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My word, doesn't Bill Buck look stunning in blue spandex! :-P :-o
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(http://www.morphzone.org/images/test.png)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well, I think it's quite a funny idea
that grabs your attention right away.
I immediately thought of a comic super
hero in relation to the image and I believe
that is the intention. Regardless of
the graphics it's nice to hear some news
on the SuperBundle and see that it is
ready to fly. :)
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Oh man... What a proof of bad taste.
That's why I prefer simplistic logos: letters, symbols,
mono-color icons, etc. No matter how you draw
them, they allways look elegant.
My first reaction when saw it was to laugh.
What a sad thing.
On the other hand, I'm sure contents will be
excelent.
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@bbrv
I bet the old Magic pack beats the pants of this
SUPER BUNDLE :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You could call him morph man from butterfly to a man :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
is it a bird is it a plane no its? its? Morph man :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Could have been worse, couldn't it?
(http://www.dogbomb.org/more2/b3ta_stuporman.jpg)
This image is still open for OS4 if they want it for their superbundle.
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@Senex
Actually I know which style you are referring to, and to call it German or even period is an insult. This particular art style was popular in ads from the 1900's to 1940's, especially in the US. (Might I point out movie marquee's from the 1920's as particular fans of it) I, when I saw it, immediately thought of this ad for a 1938 Buick.
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(http://www.morphzone.org/images/test.png)
"Does my bum look big in this"?
:roflmao:
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(http://www.depthography.com/images/oscar.gif)
Ladies and Gentleman!
It is true!
The Oscar goes to SuperBundle Man!!!
Whoopie! Hurrah! Yippee!
You see, they are related....;-)
:-P R&B
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@downix
No insult intended. But it doesn't matter in this regard that this style was quite popular back then in general - what does matter is how it is perceived by the broader public. A good example is the swastika - I doubt that many people outside India would perceive it with the thought: "oh, have you seen that sanscrit symbol they use"...
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@BBRV
The Superbundle image/packaging looks fantastic. I was very surprised by the imaging. Very impressed. It has a cool retro feel to it, yet modern. Its a good representative of Genesi - not afraid to take chances and make a stand. Plus, its sort of tongue in cheek.
@Senex there is not way anyone would think it as a nazi type image. That never crossed my mind until you said it. BB was an american military guy you think anything remotely nazi like would make it onto genesi merchandise?
Very professional and fun packaging Genesi. I look forward to having it here on my desk and showing it at demoes! This is the kind of stuff we need... now if we only had cool packaging for MorphOS 1.4..
:)
magnetic
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@Senex
Oh. On a second look, I see what you mean. It does look Olympiad and resemble some of the master race propaganda. I'm sure all unintentionally of course. I mean it was a german artist and he was going retro look so... just because it looks like that doesnt have bad connotation. THat look was around in Germany before hitler.
magnetic
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@magnetic
You think it would be ridiculous to see something "nazi" in everything and especially defaming opinions (which would be matters of course in every other country) to be "nazi" to muzzle people?
If so, I have to say two things:
1) You're absolutely right.
2) Welcome to Germany...
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@magnetic
Yes, of course, to us it's obvious what Andre had in mind when he created this logo/cover: the old comic super-heroes. But please keep in mind what I said in my previous comment and in the one to downix.
All in all this Superbundle-hero is certainly no dramatic mistake - I just wanted to use this example to make Genesi sensitive for the matters related with being an international company with markets in culturally different countries.
But Raquel and Bill's reply reassured me that they are aware of these problematics. And as I said already many, many monthes ago on ANN and at other places I do share their opinion they mentioned here regarding the benefits of Genesi being a european company.
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Are those printed CD boxes in the background, or what is it?
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Yes!
Free to anyone who brings their Pegasos to AmiWest...;-)
R&B
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If I bring my Pegasos to AmiWest, will Mr. and Mrs. BBRV sign the inside of the case? :-) And, who's going to put a G4 card in it for me? :lol:
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@ Senex
You think it would be ridiculous to see something "nazi" in everything and especially defaming opinions (which would be matters of course in every other country) to be "nazi" to muzzle people? If so, I have to say two things: 1) You're absolutely right. 2) Welcome to Germany...
I live in a different Germany, then.
Seriously, I think you are overly sensitive regarding this issue. I asked several people after I read your post, and none of them mentioned it looked like it was inspired by "Nazi art". (I doubt a clearly defined category such as this exists, anyway.) Also, there are thousands of pictures, covers, etc. out there which look somewhat similar. As David Scheibler pointed out today, one could even mistake the "Deutschland sucht den Superstar" logo (popular German TV show) for a design piece from the 30s/40s. I am fully convinced that the cover is in no way offensive to the big majority of Germans, especially not to Europeans outside of Germany.
But well, I suppose we agree to disagree on this matter :-D
I just wanted to use this example to make Genesi sensitive for the matters related with being an international company with markets in culturally different countries.
Actually, one of the primary reasons why the "super hero"-theme had been chosen, was that it is well-suited for international markets due to the immense popularity of comics such as Superman across the world.
@ takemehomegrandma
Are those printed CD boxes in the background, or what is it?
Exactly.
@ magnetic
Plus, its sort of tongue in cheek.
Thanks. I am glad you noticed :-)
@ realstar & Velcro
Well, I think it's quite a funny idea that grabs your attention right away.
and
At least however, it is "different" and "memorable!"
Thank you, guys. That was the goal :-)
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Senex, welcome to the gay nineties. Because this Mr. Superbundle is not so much nazi as he is homosexual. ;-)
I like him, a lot. He should be put up on that "Amigay" page of a few years ago.
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André, certainly it's not the majority of Germans who could have a problem with stuff like this. But rather a vocal minority. Anyway, as I said I mainly wanted to make your company sensitive for matters like this one, not less, not more.
Furthermore it may be true that I'm more sensitive to this topic than our average countrymen, based on my own political positions from the liberal-conservative part of the spectrum - but if this is because of a kind of "persecution complex" or rather because of being more familar therefore with the situation in our country regarding political correctness and the "Kampf gegen Rechts", remains a question...
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My word, doesn't Bill Buck look stunning in blue spandex!
:roflmao: :roflmao:
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@ Senex
Furthermore it may be true that I'm more sensitive to this topic than our average countrymen, based on my own political positions from the liberal-conservative part of the spectrum - but if this is because of a kind of "persecution complex" or rather because of being more familar therefore with the situation in our country regarding political correctness and the "Kampf gegen Rechts", remains a question...
When thinking about it for a while, you should notice that the Nazi cult's most fundamental element is narrow-mindness regarding people (skin colour), political views, art, music - just about everything.
Bearing this in mind. the opposite of Nazism would be open-mindness about the world as whole. By censoring art or literature based on the fact that they were popular in Germany during the 30s/40s and maybe even liked by dubious historical figures, you are probably more close to the spirit of extreme nationalism than you would ever want to be.
Rigid (self-)censorship has little to do with anti-nazism. Does it make Beethoven's music less of a masterpiece because Goebbels might have liked it? I don't think so. And everyone who does, should maybe rethink his personal values.
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For those that don't like the artwork- just remember the pic on Phoenix is rather underexposed- it's actually a bright baby blue.
There is no way it could be seen as Nazi-esque, camp maybe, but not Nazi lol! It's also more obvious that it's tongue-in-cheek as well. :-)
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Thats what ppl are missing ants - it is "tongue in cheek" for sure! And to Iggy - it does look very gay - but most Super Heroes look gay dont they? And yes, it looks Germanic and Olympiad like. Also retro 30/40s German art that does co incide with nazi propaganda art.. but that was the times... in no way does this feel nazi at all. I love the cover art and think its fun and not taking itself seriously. Genesi should be commended on it.
magnetic
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Actually, the first thing that came to mind was the old Pet Shop Boys video for their song "Go West". The corny 1930s imagery was very similar, and it sort-of fits with Genesi's "Pegasos goes West" theme.
Hey Bill, was it intentional, or weird synchronicity? :-D
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>Does it make Beethoven's music less of a
>masterpiece because Goebbels might have liked
>it?
To stretch this point even further, is the
brilliance of 'Parsifal' tarnished by
Wagner's apparent anti-semitism? Of course not.
Personally, I think the important considerations
are of the the (perhaps subjective) 'Fundament'
behind the work, and not necessarily the work
itself (Hitler also ate food - should we starve
ourselves becasue food can be assosiated with nazism?..etc).