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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Kees on July 12, 2003, 02:47:44 PM
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(http://amiga.org/gallery/images/30/1_1128.gif)"In this partnership, Ironstone will create the official Commodore C64 games and community portal designed to focus and harness the power of the Commodore C64 user base and to efficiently provide the services required by these individuals for a fee. The founders of Ironstone are experienced and successful, in previous similar projects Ironstone achieved a subscriber to pay subscriber conversion rate that was unparalleled in the Internet space."
Check it out on the American Tulip Site (http://www.tulip.com/news/article.asp?nid=109) ...
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So much for calling me crazy ...
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Well just because you're right doesn't mean you're not crazy.... ;-)
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Haha ... you just wait untill i bring you that Mokkataartje i promised you ... i'll make you eat it !
All of it ! :-D :-D :-D ;-)
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Frankly, the only one "crazy" here is Tulip if they really think they are going to create a worldwide fever for C64 games and applications. Perhaps, the smartest thing they could do is make a deal with Jeri Ellsworth (http://www.geocities.com/dickestel/images/vint0204.jpg). This could make sense, but it is still very much a niche.
We know how hard it is...;-)
Anyway, do not be surprised if you see an Atari (http://www.atari.com) coming into the market again soon in the same fashion.
Have a great day!
Raquel and Bill :-)
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This doesn't sound good for the C= community for me - seems like they'll be getting as many fans over to their new "official" portal as possible, trying to remove competing portals and emus, and eventually gain a monopoly over the C= community. What will people gain from this?
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In 2 years time:
Tulip Computers buy out Amiga Inc., Genesi, Eyetech etc etc... All upper management replaced by good ol' Mehdi and Sir Irving... :-o :-P
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Hmm after reading that stuff it seems they will only do as they did with WebIT and release a PC branded with some OS perhaps Win/Nix/Etc and then a C64 emu if this is the case this is very uninteresting news at least to me.
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c64 fever....hmmm ok i can belive in that , but "CHICKEN LIPS" all over again?? nah i think that is OVER the top!
commodore one seems nice, but i wont buy because it doesnt suit me, since its x86 and all...
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Hey Bodie, with guys like THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2002/woa/woa_cf.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2002/aachen/aa_24.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2002/aachen/aa_19.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2002/aachen/aa_6.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2003/ces/9.jpg) and THIS (http://web.infinito.it/utenti/n/nexusdev/images/pa2002/17.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2003/amigbg/3CEF5.jpg) and THIS (http://rude.cyb3r.org/meeting/index.php?display=3.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasos-au.com/images/berniepegasos.jpg) and THIS (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2003/maarssen/31.jpg) and to top it all of THEM (http://www.pegasosppc.com/images/shows/2002/aexpo/a_24.jpg) too!!!
...plus all THIS (http://www.morphzone.org//modules/mylinks/viewcat.php?cid=15)!
[color=0033FF]WE DO NOT THINK SO![/color][/b]
:-D
R&B
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What does Tulip think they can acheive by re-launching the C=64??
Who would buy it? Guess it would only be the relatively few nerds (like me :) but wouldn't they prefer the CommodoreOne? I will!
I could understand if they where just using the name and peoples tendancy to be nostalgic, to market a new console or something like that, but their current plan sounds really to far fetched.
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@R&B
LOL
Every opportunity you get :-D . Nice one :-) .
Cheers
:pint: :pint:
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So much for calling me crazy ...
If I am reading this I must either be drunk or crazy...
And i don't drink.....
Time for me to sign into an insame asylum.. No wait, it's not me! Tulip is the one who's crazy! :-x
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Troels_E ---- I know one slightly similar case that had worked somewhat. Some old Matte Intellivision games have been licensed/ported to mobile phones and I think they have not been worst sellers either. But beoynd those I can't remember any successfull 8-bit revival. (*)
Personally I think Tulip is like SCO ... a dying company desperately trying to hang whatever they have and suing others to squeeze some cash to keep afloat. Funny thing is Tulip has no self made technoloy, they just purchased old name and are plannin to use 3rd party emulator to make it all work.
Joanna
(*) And before someone points out.. Yes.. Mattel was actually 16 bit console.. But it was launched on 8bit era (well before C64)...
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@JoannaK
It's not quite similar because many 8 bit games actually fit quite well too the mobile phones (thinking at how complex they are, simple graphics, sound etc..).
Even though they are pretty simple, most of the other products on celluar phones are also simple so they don't look so dated, as a C=64 game will do compared to an X-BOX game.
But it's also the only example I know of succesfull 8(16) bit revival.
And I could imagine your description of Tulip to be very precise..
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@bbrv
Hey Bodie, with guys like THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and to top it all of THEM too!!!
Do you mind putting names to these faces?
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@JoannaK
a dying company desperately trying to hang whatever they have and suing others to squeeze some cash to keep afloat.
I think you have hit the nail right on the head.
I don't think C64 fans are going to be impressed. I actually think it will backfire on Tulip.
Time for Individual Computers to start protecting the Commodore-1 and Jeri from these gold diggers.
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@bbrv
Retro computing is [color=00CCFF]cool[/color] :-P
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Nothing, nil, zilch, zero will come of this Tulip "venture".
C64 fever :-o , oh come on.
I just cannot see what Tulip are trying to achieve - apart from milking whatever IP rights they've inherited with the Commodore name.
If people want a retro C64 experience/get C64 fever - they can buy the real thing on ebay anyway.
F@£k Tulip!
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Gerald
Thierry
Nicolas
Mark
Bertrand
Sigbjørn
Thomas
Jacek
Rafal
Nicoli
Ralph
Felix
Franck
Dave
Nate
Damien
Nicholas
Sebastien
Dave
Chuck
Paul
Johan
Jonny
Scott
Bernie
Kiero (and team)
Rakesh
Sharwin
Joel
Eric
Mathieu
David
Takis
Fabian
...and others not pictured...;-)
R&B
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That's greenboy, BBRV... ; }
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@GadgetMaster
yup, one of them is me. Take a guess which one. (hint, I look like the picture of this dashingly handsome fellow that sits in my icon)
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[color=663300]DAMN!![/color][/b] :-o
I wonder if they'll restart stocking old C= 64 parts? I could use them to double the SID voices, replace a defective RAM chip and get a HD. :-D
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Hi Nate, and if we are not mistaken that avatar was taken from a picture at CES and the lovely lady behind you is....:-D
R&B
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Uh oh.....
Leave the damn Brand alone. My tattoo is permanent!! argh!!! :-)
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Am I the only one who thinks these two quotes in the same press release doesn't add upp? :-x
" Currently there are about 300 commercial websites that use the name Commodore or Commodore 64 without having a license from Tulip. Tulip will not allow unauthorised use of the Commodore brand."
"The main objective of the Ironstone official C64 portal is to unite this massive global fan base of passionate enthusiasts."
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Methinks Tulip-USA is getting hit with a DDOS attack; the page has been inacessable (HTTP: 501 Too Many Users) all day.
Wouldn't surprise me if the C= fanbase banded together and did this, not one single bit...
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@B00tDisk
It was on Slashdot, which is roughly equivilant:-D .
clark
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I've been trrying since this morning...
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I just got to the page. What a bunch of sad bastards. This would be like me and a few venture (no pun intended to the next statement) capitalists getting together to fund a return of the Exidy Sorcerer II home computer!
It'd be laughable if it didn't mean quite a few things:
Endangerment of the WHEELS O/S (a GUI based OS for the C64, complete with web-browser and TCP/IP stack that works through a cartridge-port NIC).
Endangerment of the Commodore One
Endangerment of those 300+ websites archiving tons and tons of software that otherwise would've gone the way of bit rot.
What sane person would pay to play "Save New York" or "Dino Eggs" or "Gunship" or "Temple of Apshai" when all they want to do is have a bash at games that are going on 25 years old? I mean, really.
Well, I'm sure they'll try to extract their pound of flesh. I just hope Jeri's project survives. Hell, I hope Tulip buys a clue and realizes what the CommodoreOne can/could mean and fronts Jeri a crapload of money and makes her the chief engineer!
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I agree with the SCO analogy. Along with the copyright business, Tulip is trying to turn the general purpose Commodore 64 into a special purpose computer. In the case of special pupose computers (in the United States at least), the hardware manufacturer can charge a licensing fee and claim royalties for all software relased for their platform. Scary business. It stems from Nintendo suing Tengen over Tetris back in the 80's. Nintendo won. While I'd love to see the Commodore brand stay alive, I don't think scare tactics and twisted legal logic are the best way to do it.
In an ironic twist, it looks like Tulip's anti-piracy logo is an illegal derivative work of a logo trademarked by Microsoft Corporation. Oops!
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Trevor's right on with them copying the MS anti-piracy logo; furthermore, the C64 shipped with MS BASIC in ROM - I'd imagine MS would have quite a bit to say about that being redistributed without permission!
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Darn! It turns out that the logo is actually the original Microsoft logo (the text is a little hard to read), and as an OEM, Tulip has probably acquired the right to use it. Oh well. So much for irony.
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Check it out on the American Tulip Site ...
Um, this is not an "American" site. It is Tulip's International website that is in English as it is the official "International" language.
The site is based in NL just like www.tulip.nl as well. Both sites are hosted in Europe. www.tulip.com is just a registered international domain name serving as the main page. It is still hosted in Europe.
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"Methinks Tulip-USA is getting hit with a DDOS attack; the page has been inacessable (HTTP: 501 Too Many Users) all day.
Wouldn't surprise me if the C= fanbase banded together and did this, not one single bit..."
The Tulip website has been suffering with something a little more than just a mere slashdot effect. They are being affected by the "Commodore user effect". They are being affected by a global wide load of Commodore users coming from all directions checking out the news.
Traditionally, a "Corporate" website would not be rendered inaccessible by just users from Slashdot. The news is spreading to TechTV, Amiga.org and many other sources besides comp.sys.cbm and Commodore mail lists and other Commodore newsgroups. This is *BIG*. I am talking levels that would render a dedicated server into traffic overload.
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"I just got to the page. What a bunch of sad bastards. This would be like me and a few venture (no pun intended to the next statement) capitalists getting together to fund a return of the Exidy Sorcerer II home computer!..."
Actually the news was not suppose to have been posted and is tid bit misleading. I do not think that they are looking at shutting down Commodore fan sites from more recent messages from people at Ironstone. They are more into "embracing the Commodore scene". They are targeting sites that are commercially using the trademark for commercial products like Commodore telephones and others that are clearly using the Commodore trademark as a brand name and stuff of that sort.
The Commodore project is not endanger because the name change to C-One a while back. They are just fine at this time.
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Sorry to bring up a really old topic again.
With KMOS popping out of nowhere, I decided to do a little research on the internet to see where the Commodore trademark had ended up, and would you believe this thread came up.
I was looking for Commodore because I thought that it might be cool if Eyetech or KMOS could come under the banner of Commodore or one of them could potentially change its name. Ok. They don't need the trademark, I just thought it'd be cool to re-unite the trademark family.
As to the somewhat interesting C64 issue. They sold the C64 trademark to Ironstone partners.
http://www.ironstonepartners.com
Ironstone partners lists Rockpook games and DC Studios as sister companies.
Rockpool studios make mobile games and DC Studios seems to make games for different console platforms.
Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, wouldn't a C64 in a Gameboy advance type box be cool. It seems to me that that is what they are hinting that they are going to do.
I nearly fell of my chair when I checked out the Commodore One webpage. The C64 should fit in a wrist watch by now, not on a motherboard requiring an ATX case. Oh, but I see what they are doing now, they are beefing up the sound and graphics. Hmmmm. Then why doesn't it plug into a TV?
Again, my apologies for bringing up this really old topic.