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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Kees on July 11, 2003, 09:04:25 PM
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The Dutch computer company Tulip (http://www.tulip.nl), is planning to bring back the Commodore 64 from the dead.
Tulip signed an agreement with Ironstone Partners, who will be responsible for the Commodore 64 design and software.
According to Tulip there are still 6 million active commodore users worldwide.
Tulip also stated that they will take action against the roughly 300 internet sites that use the Commodore name for their own business.
We'll keep you posted ...
Update: http://www.commodore.nl (http://www.commodore.nl) - This could be a coïncidence though ...
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AMERSFOORT - Computermanufactor Tulip is working on the revival of the commodore64, de nestorof the first PC's. Tulip Computers wants to launch the PC worldwide again. Because of this the company signed an agreement on friday with Ironstone Partners.
The computer won't be laucned in its current shape. Ironstone will produce software for Tulip that will allow its excisting computers to be redesigned as a commodore. Tulip is the owner of the brand Commodore and will make money on the fact that its owns the name. According to Tulip, 6 million people still use -a- commodore at this point.
The computermanufactor has faith in the revival of Commodore "because its still one of the most famous names in the computer industry" according to a Tulil spokesman. Commodore lovers will be able to play the old commodore games again soon.
Ironstone will also provide a Commodore website for the excisting lovers of the Commodore.
The roughly 300 commercial website that use the Commodore name will be delt with.
End of translation .. don't blame me if its bad
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It's also mentioned that IronStone will provide software that will turn existing PC's into Commodore machines....
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the funny thing here is that I actually am considering a CommodoreONE.
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Um, I just went to www.tulip.nl and found nothing about this. Also, a google search on "Ironstone partners" comes up empty, so I'm not sure if there is such a company. Can you tell us your source? I think you've been fooled...
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Get your flint and stone paper here! How about a nice electronic paperweight sir? Excellent! :-)
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The article was published on a Dutch news site nu.nl (http://www.nu.nl). Here (http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=174481&c=50) is a direct link to the article. Beware, it's Dutch :-)
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Kees Kees, I know you just got married but did the brain really go that fast? Usually it takes 3-4months :-P
But seriously it isn't April 1, what gives :-?
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@ red
It seems serious ...
by the way ....
/me slaps red with a big fish ! :-D
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I'll mail them for more info ... actually .. I already did :-)
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Tulip also stated that they will take action against the roughly 300 internet sites that use the Commodore name for their own business.
The Commodore One will be affected by this I would presume?
Could Tulip could build AmigaONE towers with OS4 and call them Commodore Amiga's?
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This has to be just about the most bizzare news i have read in memory, EVER. Even more bizzare than that whole iWin hoax. :crazy:
If this is true, this could have serious implications for the C=1. :pissed:
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Tulip did sell Commodore PC's in Holland a few years back ... why shouldn't try something like that again ... remember .. Retro is hot !
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The Commodore One will be affected by this I would presume?
If it's still called the C-one, then no I don't think so.
Could Tulip could build AmigaONE towers with OS4 and call them Commodore Amiga's?
They would propably have to call themsometing other then
"the C= A1", but yes if they'd get a license from A.inc. they
most cetanly could.
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According to Tulip there are still 6 million active Commodore users worldwide.
I know the C64 was easily the best comp of the 80s by far but still 6 million active? I thought the odd quotes of 1 million active Amiga users was far out :-) Our they including Commodore branded PC's, Amiga users and there aunt in this?
More info would be nice in what exactly they mean, A C64 design for 2003? (not good for CommodoreOne) or just relaunching the classic in it's original form? (seems silly)
Either way i look forward to hearing more news, such a great bit of hardware the C64 is.
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I'd guess that there's about 5000 active Amiga users around now, excluding emulator only (ie. people that don't own Amigas as well).
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oh .. i'd say that you can add a 0 ...
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On a sidenote, we used Tulip pc's at work for a little while, just long enough to find out that they were complete crap.
We changed to Dell.
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@ Kees
What makes you think that?
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6 Million? What, are they all from underdeveloped African coutries?
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what again? Thats what they did with the Commodore WebIT which was a complete flop
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The article was published on a Dutch news site nu.nl. Here is a direct link to the article. Beware, it's Dutch
Any english translators? ;)
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5000 active amiga users? hell no...
its more, for sure..
but if they have an pc also etc, then they might not use their amiga as widely..
but then again i think 5000 is far off ..
elbox sold hw to more than that so :)
anyway its growing again so...
but a nice site where we all could reg would have been nice.. (1 for peg , 1 for a1 and 1 for classic and 1 for emu people..)
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Do you think it might have something to do with tulip winning THIS (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/31612.html) ?
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Tulip was SUPPOSED to revive the Commodore 64 back around 3 or 4 years ago. The news was big in the Commodore scene when it was first announced... like I said, around 3 or 4 years ago.
So I dunno if the NU site is pulling our leg, or is reading into things wrong, and giving out completely old and outdated information.
If it's true, then WOO HOO! Just as long as it comes out in the USA! :-D
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I'd guess that there's about 5000 active Amiga users around now,
Sure, there is about 5000 through out the US, Canada and South America. Added to the other users around the world, that must bring the total to about....... 5600 :-D
Plaz (who owns 8 that still function in the USA)
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I'd estimate between 15-20k. Thats owners, not necessarily people using Amigas as the primary computer. But surely a lot more than 5000, thats for sure.
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http://www.commodore.nl ....
Looks like a 2003 site ... and not a 1998 one ...
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If Tulip is really going to do this ... they need to be ready for thousands of mails from the Amiga community ... some1 should warn them ;-)
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5000 worldwide is just ridiculous... I would say 5000 maybe in Sweden where I'm from. And I would say that Europeans has alwarys been very fond of the Amiga computer, although it's an american product. Why's that.... What has brought the Amiga to our hearts?? Well I would say that all Swedes, Danes, Finnes and Norweigean people know what I'm talking about.. but what's so special about this product... Sorry, I forgot to mention the Germans, the French and the Italians-- How come this strangely big impact in Europe??
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@Kees:
Who said 1998? Commodore.nl has been around since 1996 with the same message since around 2000. :-)
Need proof? Here is the whois information:
Domain name:
commodore.nl (first domain)
Status: active
Registrant:
Tulip Computers International B.V.
Burgemeester Burgerslaan 40
5245 NH ROSMALEN
Netherlands
Domicile:
N/A
Committed to ADR: no
Administrative contact:
W. Nijholt
+31 73 6405124
postmaster@commodore.nl
Registrar:
KPN Telecom B.V. Operator Vaste Net
Regulusweg 1
2516 AC 'S-GRAVENHAGE
Netherlands
Technical contact:
W. Nijholt
+31 73 6405124
wnijholt@tulipcomputers.com
Domain nameservers:
dns1.tulip.com 194.151.54.10
dns2.tulip.com 194.151.54.20
Date first registered: 16-04-1996
Record last updated: 20-06-2000
Record maintained by: NL Domain Registry
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From the sounds of things, this "reviving the Commodore 64" sounds more like a PC with a software emulator. Kinda like the WebIT. (http://amiga.org/images/subject/icon13.gif)
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The computer won't be laucned in its current shape. Ironstone will produce software for Tulip that will allow its excisting computers to be redesigned as a commodore.
AAARGH, a commercial emulator probably with a hefty price tag.
Make sure you download a recent copy of your favorite C64 emulator soon and make sure you have a real machine handy for legal reasons. :-x
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Redrum, you might have to change your avatar... there's some serious copyright infringement going on right there :-P
Refurbished by
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I rather like to buy C= One and not some PC/Emulator crap ;)
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The roughly 300 commercial website that use the Commodore name will be delt with.
What dows that mean exactly? If they also close the abandonware sites then I only see a company that wants to hangout the dictator and destoy that community.
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@Plaz
Sure, there is about 5000 through out the US, Canada and South America. Added to the other users around the world, that must bring the total to about....... 5600
You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about here, the bulk of Amiga users has always been (and I believe it still is) in Europe.
In the late 80's and early 90's *everyone* i know (that were into computers) had Amigas, and any flea market you go to in my country usually turns up a couple of A500 or A1200's.
AFAIK, the Amiga was never really that big in America due to ... feck, i don't know why ...
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@Calen
More info would be nice in what exactly they mean, A C64 design for 2003? (not good for CommodoreOne) or just relaunching the classic in it's original form? (seems silly)
Isn't the C=1 between those two? More powerfull and configurable than a C64, but not modern enough to be a primary computer for 2003?
@kubyx
Who said 1998? Commodore.nl has been around since 1996 with the same message since around 2000
I had a quick look on the Wayback machine, and the current site has been exactly the same since 2001 :-)
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5000 worldwide is just ridiculous... I would say 5000 maybe in Sweden where I'm from.
Would you like to back that up with some facts? Mine was only a guess, partly based on the ~1000 coupon purchasers, and based on the belief that most active Amiga users wouldn't upgrade until the new platform had matured a bit (ie. by the second new hardware and OS release). It is pointless to keep saying that everyones' figures are ridiculous/wrong/way off when there's still no concrete information to base the argument on.
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This is OLD news - Tulip talked about this before and Escom before them (and look what happened to them).
6 million active C64 users - come on, no one takes that figure seriously do they?
Tulip - thought they went bust and took the commodore name with them?
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I'd only guess 5000 - 10000 left also. I used to be much more optimistic, but in my eyes things have erroded to nothing. Actually I would put hard active users at under 3000, and soft(still some interest) users at somewhere about 10000.
Anyhow this is OT, any further lets move to the forum :-)
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CommodoreONE what will they call it if the cannot use the commodore name, myself i would just call it the kommodore one.
:-)
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Well this is definitely an interesting announcement. I remember one of my best friends had a C64 and I use to borrow it and would go through those simple programming books to (which would take almost hour or more to write just to get five minutes of WOW time :-D
I can now see these things selling at Wal-Mart :-o
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I'd guess that there's about 5000 active Amiga users around now,
Way to small number.. I know localtv channels/info channels and even airports that still use them with scala for their infoboxes.. I was damn suprised when i noticed an amiga guru meditation on those big screen tvs at airport a little while ago ;-)
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Amiga.org has over 7000 members ... and that was 8 weeks ago or something
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Since you don't need to be a member in order to read the threads, that figure doesn't include all the lurkers. Maybe the 10K user figure isn't so far off the mark.
Of course, a different question altogether is "how many of us are still using amiga hardware?" In my case, I have a PC at home that I only use for web browsing and an accelerated A1200 that gets used once or twice a week to play classics like Syndicate or Beneath a Steel Sky. PC games suck these days... all 3D eyecandy and no gameplay. I really hope the next generation of amiga games writers won't fall for the same trap.
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@CodeSmith
It doesn't matter how many still use Amiga-HW, but how many
just use UAE(or a real Amiga) to play old OCS/AGA-games, and
how many use them for something more.
Further downs the line one may ask how many are prepared to
buy new SW/HW.
Atm selling 1000 units of "something" would be considered
a big success in this "market".
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@Kronos
Well, as far as market presence is concerned I don't count emulator users because (except for amigans that need the CPU horsepower of amithlon) they won't buy any new amiga hardware, and are usually content playing old games from ADF files (ie they probably won't buy new software either). Which means that as far as "the amiga market" is concerned they are an evolutionary dead end. They are a potential source of new users, but otherwise I don't think they should be counted as "active amiga users". This does exclude amithlon users, I consider those to be in the "as soon as powerful hardware comes out I'll probably buy it" category.
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Hello Kees,
You must be talking about Web.It. A Windows PC with a C= emulator and try to say it is a Commodore 64. Um, that didn't sell too well. Real C= users didn't buy the BS. I do like to see C= branded PDAs and other mobile devices, devices utilizing the C-One technology (developed by Jeri Ellsworth), new & old software for both Commodore classics, C-One, and the PDA/mobile devices.
It would be also of interest to market upgrades (to some degree) to actual Commodore 8 bits and C-One which would be a new series of Commodore branded "Commodore" computers. I would love to see Tulip expand the brand to other products as well.
The key is, don't BS the real Commodore users. You can BS the emulator users which only use emulators and not the real thing.
Though a line of PC clones may be reasonable but Tulip already does that in the "Tulip" brand. It really makes little or no sense.
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Go to the main International homepage at the following:
http://www.tulip.com
Then move your pointer to the Corporate News section and then a drop down will appear and click on the first option. Then a page will appear and click on the news title "Tulip Relaunches Commodore". If you only know English then select the news title that is in full English. Then the English version of the news should appear.
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Kees, expect it to take a week or two maybe 3-4 weeks. They do have a tendancy to be slow at responding. They have slow turn around time which in my opinion they can adjust.