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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: eddit on June 30, 2003, 10:53:51 PM
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Mai Logic's Articia system controllers accelerate and expand deployment of IBM PowerPC 750 family solutions
IBM PowerPC News (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/jun2003/ppc_process_at_work.html)
Mai Logic's "Ready for IBM Technology"-certified Articia family system controllers and Teron series evaluation systems are developed to propel the IBM 750CXe, 750FX, and 750GX PowerPC® microprocessor family into the broader global marketplace for embedded industrial controls, military, multimedia, consumer electronic appliances, blade servers, thin client systems, storage, networking, and communication applications. With leading-edge CPU bus speed capabilities and enhanced AGP, PCI-X, SDRAM and DDR support, the combination of the Articia chipset and IBM PowerPC 750 series processors offers a most desirable solution to the performance-intensive applications marketplace.
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"by Pam Han, Marketing Manager, Mai Logic, Inc."
Maybe the same category as this (http://www.mai.com/image/PPC_logo_notice.gif).
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A bit off topic but, we finally get to see a "Teron PX evaluation system" and an AmiagOne board, i.e. From this page (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/pekosbil/amigaone.html)
Guess what- they do look a bit different; keeping in mind that the Teron PX has a seperate processor board and the A1-G3's is mounted, some of the smaller parts seem to be moved around. It's certainly based on the Teron, but it's not the same board.
Is anyone really surprised?
Anyone want to dig up a good picture of the G3/G4 boards with removable CPUs- maybe that what "they" where talking about.
Zoltan
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:-? :-?
Sorry, I'm just a pleb who happens to get IBM's PowerPC Newsletter.
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A bit off topic but, we finally get to see a "Teron PX evaluation system" and an AmiagOne board, i.e. From this page
Guess what- they do look a bit different; keeping in mind that the Teron PX has a seperate processor board and the A1-G3's is mounted, some of the smaller parts seem to be moved around. It's certainly based on the Teron, but it's not the same board.
Is anyone really surprised?
I'm surprised why you are comparing the the A1G3-SE with the Teron PX, when you should be comparing it with the Teron CX. Oh yes.. you could also try comparing the A1G3-XE with the Teron PX.
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I think it is interesting to look at the block diagram. The PCI Bus 1 is used for either 32 bit AGP *OR* 64 bit PCIX/PCI. Does this mean that the system designers get AGP in the same way as with the Marvell Discovery 2 after all? :-o :-P
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Good point, it the
A1-G4XE (http://amigaone-linux.sourceforge.net/amigaoneg4xe.php)
looks more like it, I couldn't find any of the A1G3-XE though.
Z
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takemehomegrandma :
Well.. it's enough AGP to be usable wtih AGP cards. Who cares if it don't implement it fully? ... OTOH neither does most other implementations of AGP.. :-D
Personally.. I'm more interested about those Articia P engineesring samlples that should be available later this year. That chip could make some difference tofuture Aones.
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The G3-XE should be the exact same thing with a different CPU board mounted. (Remember, even Apple CPU cards are probably compatible with these things..)
So does this mean Alan can tell us who the partner in the "Far East" is? FIC are certainly well-known; Topshine's page (http://www.topshine.com.tw/) doesn't make it clear if they're a manufacturer or a reseller. (If those *are* the guys, my pining for an affordable general-purpose DVI->"LVDS" board in the Western market is going to get a lot more insistent... ;-))
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I think this post shows clearly that the Articia bug never existed... ;-)
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@ JoannaK
Well.. it's enough AGP to be usable wtih AGP cards.
... and that says it all! :-D
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I think this post shows clearly that the Articia bug never existed...
I think you are reading too much into this promo-post. And remember: Eyetech, Amiga Inc (and later Hyperion) was the first ones who spoke in public about the Articia bugs. You are not calling them liars, are you?
(Remember: http://www.mai.com/image/PPC_logo_notice.gif (http://www.mai.com/image/PPC_logo_notice.gif))
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Which was fixed in the new revision of the Articia S present in all Amiga XE boards.
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Which was fixed in the new revision of the Articia S present in all Amiga XE boards.
If you say so.
But the bug existed (the statement to which I responded to). Both Genesi and you knew about it. Genesi tried to solve the problems in silence behind the curtains in order to NOT cause any FUD against the Articia which might damage the public trust for the Pegasos, but your troika were the ones who made the Articia bugs publically known (which was totally unnecessary; noone needs to know about bugs that aren't there anymore, the only thing important is that the product works. Your *only purpose* with badmouthing the Articia in public the way you did was to spread the word "we have a bugfree Articia - the Pegasos has NOT" = to cause FUD against the Pegasos). Some people tend to forget what really happend. Your FUD against the Articia kicked back. Imagine ...
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I think that the most interesting part is : Teron PX is populated with the Articia S chipset. Follow-on Teron evaluation systems will be available soon after the Articia Sa, and Articia P chipsets become available in the second half of 2003.
So, unless Mai goes bust, there's life after AmigaONE XE. :-)
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You might want to reconsider that.
The reason we went public with that is because one "dual entity" was sending out e-mails to all and sundry about this problem and how they had a handle on it but ofcourse Mai and Eyetech didn't.
That's the reason why Alan went public with it.
We were getting bombarded by concerned e-mails from e-mail who just received a friendly e-mail from the dual entity in question.
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About the Articia bugs: check the "Miscelleanous" row of the Articia "S"
column: "DMA" is missing... (while it is mentionned for the other versions of the Articia...)
Hum hum...
Leo.
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@Dikkelul
Sure, but when ?
It says "Engineering samples Q3 2003" (and I'm sure it once even said
"Engineering samples Q3 2002"), but how long to create an eval-board,
to debug board and chip, make it ready for "mass-production" ?
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You don't create an eval board to debug the chip, you only create one to let others play around with your chip before they use it in your own design, or while awaiting the fabrication of your own design.
Deadlines are made by (project) managers, not by technicians. If I was designing a chip, I would announce it when the developement starts, and write a publication in a newsletter when all major bugs are resolved and i'm fairly sure that i'm able to deliver at this date. You so can count on it that at least the Sa will be available in Q3 2003.
And then it's not hard to modify the Teron PX for the Articia Sa. It's probably done already to test the internal version.
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Wow 25$ buys you 10,000 ;-)
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Ehm, sorry, not many chips have, what you call, true
AGP support... AGP is usually emulated with adding
a few features to a normal PCI bus, even on the PC.
No, the ArticiaS doesn't have "true AGP" (almost) only
Intel northbridges have that. VIA emulates it.
And BTW, the ArticiaS does *NOT* support PCIX.
It has a 32bit 33mhz PCI bus and a 32bit 66mhz/AGP
bus.
The ArticiaP WILL support it, as the Discovery II does,
right now.
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@Kurt
I don't see why you have to get so angry, but never mind.
PhaseV put themselves out of business by ( according to recieved wisdom ):
1. Not meeting demand with supply, instead waited for sufficient orders before fulfilling any. Lots of people walked away rather than wait.
2. Selling the cards at a loss.
3. Insufficient software developers ( partly because of the "war" you refer to ) developed for the cards.
Of course some people see this as an opportunity to fight the battles that they lost long ago again but its up to you if you want to take advantage of their output or not.
There are troublemakers but everyone knows them by now and I suspect has learned to temper what they read with a knowledge of the writers past.
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Is there any reason why IBM doesn't create their own chipsets for PowerPC processors? I mean, they have stated that the 970 will be used in workstations and servers, so who's chipsets will they use for these?
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I hear people parrot absolute nonsense that they heard from you guy's.
Thank god we don't hear other people parrot the nonsense and FUD you spread Kurt... Like MorphOS will be seized by US Custom as it is illegal... And you have a long history of comments like that here at amiga.org.
Thank you for your comment, it has the usual level of real content and your own makeups.
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Kurt,
Do you work for Mr Hardware or are you a partner? {practically sounds like a Do You Still Beat Your Wife question, I know ; }
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@Fot
IBM does make it's own northbridge. And, like Mai and Marvell, it also does not support true AGP. It also is quite overpriced, at over $70 a chip.
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@greenboy
No, I am currenty doing design work for a Major Electronics firm. That designs surveillance equipment for the local and goverment Law enforcement agencies. My equipment is used by all the TLA's in the States. I recently got hired to build a bunch of stuff for the New Scotland Yard. I mostly do RF design with small amounts of video. My only computer design work is in the way of small imbedded systems.
I know Russ from Mr. hardware because he is the last Major Amiga dealer in N.Y. The only other Major Amiga dealers in the United States are Joe from Software Hut PA (150 miles away) and Randir from Compuquick. Joe lately has pulled back from the Amiga scene and is somewhat unreliable in giving correct information. IE has sold me stuff in the past that really didn't work well with the Amiga.
Randir is good but is based in the Midwest some 1500 miles from where I live.
Russ on the other hand is a mere seventy miles away. He also visits the local Amiga clubs with stuff to sell and demo.
So if I recomend him alot is because I buy from him and I have a good idea what he has to offer from talking to him at the local Amiga meetings.
I see him on average about twice a month.
Boy was that a long explaination.
Why do you ask ?
Kurt
and for you people with the AGP disinformation
AGP is a port. PCI is a BUS not the same thing.
AGP is ALWAYS supported with a high speed direct connect via the North bridge. IT always WARHAMMER has it's own connection directly to the north bridge. Your information on AGP is partly true.
Not all of the chips have AGP "Hardwired" IE all you add is a connector. But support must be there for it to be implemented properly. Otherwise latency errors will kill performance.
Actualy other than pure marketing reasons there would be little or no reason for Genesi to even try to shoehorn AGP2X onto a PCI BUS when for most purposes they would get little if any performance benefits from it. Look at any PC sites that compared PCI versus AGP2x. If you have sufficient Memory on your graphics card so it doesn't have to use system memory there is no real performance boost. So unless a Pegasos developer specificaly wrote the game code with AGP in mind would there be a performance problem. Besides even if tommorrow Marvell came out with a 8X AGP chip. No way would you get any performace boost using an 8x radeon card over an 4X radeon because the main limitation would be the 800mhz G4 not being capable of saturating a 4x port. So most of these discussions are pointless. Also Genesi have not even mentioned AGP for the PEGII as far as I know. This AGP conversation for the most part is pure speculation.
Besides Unless BB can get someone to port Half Life2 or Unreal2 to Morph whats the point.
You don't need AGP to run Quake or Doom the textures are way to small.
I am falling asleep at the keyboard
Goodnight all
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@kurt
you're using semantics here to try and spread misinformation, attempting to give FUD off.
So, to repeat myself slowly, so you can understand...
AGP
is
a
port
off
of
a
PCI
bus!
On top of the normal PCI bus, AGP also adds functions, such as sideband, memory polling, extra modes. However, the PCI bus is still there, ready to be used. More than 1 motherboard has just wired a PCI bus right up to the AGP port, and let it stay that way. In many cases, people just don't know the difference. Their AGP cards work, so they never bother checking with how the drivers run the bus that pushes the data to that AGP port.
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