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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: System on June 25, 2003, 01:27:31 PM
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In cooperation with the Sacramento Amiga Computer Club and others to be named, Amiga OS 4 will be at AmiWest.
This was confirmed earlier today by:
Ben Hermans, Managing Partner of Hyperion Entertainment.
DETAILS OF THIS HISTORIC SHOWING OF OS 4 WILL BE FORTHCOMING. KEEP WATCHING THESE RELEASES FOR THE LATEST.
NOW YOU'LL REALLY WANT TO GET YOUR TICKETS!!
Yes, OS 4 will be in Sacramento! Get your tickets NOW at www.sacc.org/amiwest/index.html#tickets. Don't be left!! See OS 4 in action!
So remember,
AmiWest 2003 is rolling! The facility is reserved July 26 and 27, 2003 at the Holiday Inn Northeast in Sacramento California! New exhibitors are signing up regularly! Keep watching for these releases
and tell everyone that you know - the Amiga and the Amiga community is alive and well! See you at AmiWest 2003!
Amiga Forever,
Brian Deneen, President
Sacramento Amiga Computer Club
for the AmiWest 2003 Committee
HOTEL CONTACT
Holiday Inn, Sacramento Northeast
5321 Date Avenue
Sacramento California 95841-2597
Phone 1-916-338-5800 or
1-800-388-9284 - Toll Free (Hotel directly)
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PPC OS4 or 68K? I hope it's PPC, I'm curious to see it running.
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This show is [color=FF0000]really[/color][/i][/u] shaping up to be the event of the year.
Given that there's a month yet to go, chances are that Hyperion may be able to present something special yet.
Y'know, either OS4PPC running on a Cyberstorm native PPC only. Or Workbench booting up on the Amigaone.
Or both?
-john
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Like elsewhere its probably going to be a mix of 68k on the 68k emulator for execsg and ppc.
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We hope to have large parts of the system running PPC native by that time.
Still 1 month away.
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We hope to have large parts of the system running PPC native by that time.
Looking forward to see it in action, Ben.
Will you maybe have a preview on AmigaOne already?
Greetings, Gio
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PPC with 68k emulation.
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This show is really shaping up to be the event of the year.
Yeah! To bad it's in the wrong corner of the world! :-(
It would be very nice if someone of you who go there (or the arrangers) bring a DV camera and put some clips on line!
Please please! :-)
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AMIWEST 2003 VIDEO SHOT AND EDITED ON-SITE!!
"3. Along with Floyd and Jim from EMRL will be shooting and editing the official AmiWest 2003 Video on-site. . . . We hope to do one for each day." And you'll get to see it all happen - - that is, if you're here!! Get your tickets at www.sacc.org/amiwest!
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If only I was in California, I went to the Ohio show last year, and it was SAD, The Peg was supposed to show up, but nope! Freaking ticked me off, what a wasted drive. There was like maybe 5 booths there showing off what ancient Amigas could do. And no one cared. Totally un-like the last Show I had been to which actually had a good turn out, back when Gateway had bought the name.
Anyhow can't wait to see some live video of OS4 in action, MorphOS too for that matter!
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@Idituri
Amiga.org is attempting to secure a DSL connection for the duration of the show on the show floor. If that is possible, then we will be networking the entire show floor via 802.11b and 384kbps (upload) DSL.
The DSL company has already stated that they would be more than willing to allow it, the only issue is the hotel and they are currently working with them to resolve any issues there.
If we can accomplish it, what that means is
1) The UGN being able to broadcast live video and audio more stably than before.
2) All machines on the show floor being networked
3) Even your PDAs might be networked.
4) We might have a neat surprise or two up our sleeves.
5) Live video feed interviews, etcetera.
Lots of details to work out, and AmiWest is just around the corner, but it could be fantastic...
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Does anyone know if Bill Bosari will be providing his usual top class broadcasts too?
Oh arse! I've just seen the dates, I won't be able to catch the news, I'll be stuck in a car with my in-laws travelling up to the wilderness of northern England. Oh joy :-(
Hope everyone who goes has a laugh and enjoys themselves more than at recent shows. :-D
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@Wayne
UGH! That sounds excellent, but I'm going to miss it. :-x
Any chance of the show being prosponed for a week for me :-D
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A risky statement to make
Moderated : Off-topic, Flamebait
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"We hope to have large parts of the system running PPC native by that time."
mmm large PPC native parts mmmm
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Moderated: Faning the Flames
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Do people actually get to USE the AOS4 preview, or is it show and tell only?
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@corpse
He was pointing out only that AOS4 has some stiff competition. Of course, for the first time we can do a head-to-head comparison of MOS vs AOS4.
And to note, *ALL* of MOS is PPC native, not just sections.
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OS4 to be shown at Amiwest
This is good news. :-D
I wish I could be there.
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redfox
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@kennyR
Moderated: Flame, Personal Insult
Kurt
Ohh If I want something unstable that looks nice I would buy Windows XP.
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Moderated: Off-topic
The best forums are evenhanded ones, not ones dedicated to the singular purpose of worshipping something that one has never seen. And if they are, I'm glad to break up the monotony a bit.
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Moderated: Quoted Flame
The Amiga community is best served by giving it a full view of the options available and picking the best one, not narrowly focusing on a single solution with all the intellect of a hippo. So sorry to burst your bubble pal, there are other considerations out there than blind name worship. Fanatisism is what drives people away from Amigas.
Moderated: Copied Personal Insult
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Moderated: Rant, Flame
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This is a plea to not start an all out flame fest. It's easy to do and it's almost there.
I'm sure most will agree deep down they are interested in progress on BOTH fronts.
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I apologise for my rant, but this had to be said. MOS1.4 and OS4 will both be shown at Amiwest, and there is no reason at all why I shouldn't be allowed to mention both without being labeled as 'making negative comments'.
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I agree with KennyR ... blind worship is pointless...
but many do have legit intrest in AOS4 and to them I hope they get what the're looking for!.
AmiWest sounds great! I look forward to the interviews and live video streams... this community somehow feels more alive now then it has in years! I thank Genesi for that!.
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Everything KennyR said goes double for me.
2x the piss in the avatar too!
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Poster: KennyR Date: 2003/6/26 3:08:46
is it just me or are the OS4 trolls getting more intolerant every day?
You may well be correct in that us OS4 'Supporters' are getting less tolerant. The simple reason is that we're tired of MOS/Pegasos 'Supporters' slagging OS4 off before they have even seen it.
You will probably notice that most (note not all) intolerant remarks by OS4 'Supporters' are in defense to a previous MOS/Pegasos 'Supporter' remark.
IT makes visiting some Amiga news sites very frustrating, knowing that every OS4 post will be after a few comments slated by a MOS/Pegasos 'Supporter'.
Before anyone jumps in and says it works both ways, have a think... All the recent OS4 posts have been about progress with the OS. Recent MOS/Pegasos posts have been about various things that bbrv is doing to scupper Amiga Inc. So which type of post would be the one most normal (OS4 and MOS/Pegasos supporters) would consider most likely to draw the most slagging off? Then look at which actually gets the most slagging off!
Rassilon
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Correction: people have already played around with OS 4 on some of the Tour stops.
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@downix
He was pointing out only that AOS4 has some stiff competition. Of course, for the first time we can do a head-to-head comparison of MOS vs AOS4.
And to note, *ALL* of MOS is PPC native, not just sections.
Your own statement also contradicts your comparison idea.
How can you compare a part ppc OS4 running on a cyberstorm to ppc MOS on a pegasos.
I can see it know.
The Morphos possie will be shouting from the trees oh we got 30FPS more using quake timedemo.
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Moderated: Off-topic, Flame
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Well I'll be interested in trying 'BOTH' OS"s
as I will be attending AmiWest...
Wayne if you need live interviews look no
further, I would be more than happy to
pass along my 'first response' to the systems.
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It is good to see that many posts in this topic have been moderated, on both sides.
There is one post however that seems to have escaped moderation.
The post in question is downix's refering to the status of PPC modules within OS4.
The fact that my reply to it was moderated as a flame (for which I agree it was) I feel downix's should also have been.
Why... you may argue that downix's post was merely stating a fact, if you take that stance then my post was also fact.
Rassilon
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@Rassilon
now now dont upset the moderators... they're biased
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The Morphos possie will be shouting from the trees oh we got 30FPS more using quake timedemo.
Quake has very little to do with the underlying OS... :-)
However, nice to see the moderators are in place. After all that this thread seems to become a nice one. Good job!
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now now dont upset the moderators... they're biased
Sure. That's why they moderated out the MOS rants too...
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Quake has very little to do with the underlying OS :-)
Exactly - don't expect a Cyberstorm PPC to be quicker than a Peg :-)
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now now dont upset the moderators... they're biased
Oh? Would you care to elaborate or is this simply a blatant troll? Please do tell. i want you to name every single moderator by name and what his bias is. Please do so, otherwise you might get labeled a troll. You wouldnt want that now would you?
Edit: here is a quick list to make this easier on you.
Wayne
Kent
Kees
Argo
SilvrDrgn
ltstanfo
AmiNTT
TheMagicM
redrumloa
Targhan
JamesR
Skippy
mikeymike
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Your own statement also contradicts your comparison idea.
How can you compare a part ppc OS4 running on a cyberstorm to ppc MOS on a pegasos.
Mmmh, you can compare, how "finished" both are, on what HW they run, what features
they offer, how stable they are, how good they look, what native SW exist ....
I'll expect quake to run just as fast on MorphOS as on OS4, when both use the same HW,
and have all SW needed for that available in PPC.
Just how long it will be between the 1st and the 2nd to reach that point is a rather
different question.
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You wouldnt want that now would you?
You do as you feel necessary, If it helps you sleep at night so be it. However, when I posted my comment I would just like to point out that only the 1 post had been moderated leaving all the anti-amiga comments (pro morphos) in place. I'm glad to see that these have now been moderated properly.
maybe i'll add a smiley next time.
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Just read the thread. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING should have been moderated away being **off topic** (including this one) with a few exceptions.
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Just read the thread. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING should have been moderated away being **off topic** (including this one) with a few exceptions.
Hi Hooligan
I agree, and would like to thank my moderation staff for their help. All of this took place last night while I was away from the computer and without their help, this would have been a much sadder thread than it turned out to be.
OS4 being shown in the US -- whether on CSPPC or the AmigaOne -- is a positive (and very rare apparently) thing.
OS4 being shown, for really the first time in the same place as the Pegasos so that people can get a hands-on with both is a positive thing (for the community).
Show attendees being able to play with both systems and for THE FIRST TIME EVER being able to make up their own minds based on the systems in front of them -- not forums and FUD, is a good thing.
The idea that we MIGHT be able to massively hook the show up with DSL for the first time ever is a good thing..
The fact that there are ANY shows still happening to promote the Amiga after everything that we as a community have been put through is a good thing...
So let's stop all the negative crap and look at the positives in this situation. Just make plans to attend the show and go with an open mind, in whatever direction that takes you. That should make your experience with either system much, much more enjoyable.
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/me wish there won't be any wars between camps at the show. It's ugly when nerds collide :-)
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@Wayne
OS4 being shown in the US -- whether on CSPPC or the AmigaOne -- is a positive (and very rare apparently) thing.
OS4 being shown, for really the first time in the same place as the Pegasos so that people can get a hands-on with both is a positive thing (for the community).
Show attendees being able to play with both systems and for THE FIRST TIME EVER being able to make up their own minds based on the systems in front of them -- not forums and FUD, is a good thing.
The idea that we MIGHT be able to massively hook the show up with DSL for the first time ever is a good thing..
The fact that there are ANY shows still happening to promote the Amiga after everything that we as a community have been put through is a good thing...
So let's stop all the negative crap and look at the positives in this situation. Just make plans to attend the show and go with an open mind, in whatever direction that takes you. That should make your experience with either system much, much more enjoyable
Good call. It would be a Really Good Thing™ if we could all get with the program and actually look forward to the show, rather than bicker about (rather sadly) tired issues.
If you can get the DSL hookup sorted, that would be an excellent thing and would certainly get me glued to the screen all night (hey, I'm in London, there's an 8 hour difference).
Wayne: If this does happen, how about sorting out Q & A's with some of the announced people, using questions supplies by A.Org users?
-john
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OS4 being shown in the US -- whether on CSPPC or the AmigaOne -- is a positive (and very rare apparently) thing. OS4 being shown, for really the first time in the same place as the Pegasos so that people can get a hands-on with both is a positive thing (for the community).
I will make a prediction. OS4 will not be in such an advanced state as MorphOs (understandably because development started much later). OS4 will not run on AOne (something that we know NOW).
Genesi will have a lot of machines running MorphOS 1.4 on Pegasos while OS4 will be shown on maybe 2 or 3 A4000's.
MophOs users will trash OS4 because they did a more impressive show (normal with their Pegasos and flatscreens and nice cases, t-shirts and eyecandy...), because OS4 feels slower (normal because hardware is slower), because it is in a more advanced state (normal as OS4 dev started much later), because it doesn't run on PPC completely,, because AOne only runs linux,... (all the usual stuff that has been discussed on and on)
Somehow, in their comparison, MorpOS users will forget that the one system is for sale and that the other isn't finished yet. (OS4 ppl would probably do the same though, at least the die-hards)
Showing them together will just start new flame wars, new attacks from both parties,...
The only good comparison would have been OS4 on AOne and MorpOS on Pegasos.
And even then...there is no Amiga community anymore. There is a MorphOs crowd and an OS4 crowd. And both can't handle the fact that the other exists (which is kind of sad really). Very few people seem to be open for both systems.
I really don't see any point in MorpOS people going on and on about OS4, and OS4 ppl going on about MorphOS.
But sadly, looking at the forums, the situation is only getting worse.
So in short, it will be an unfair comparison which will lead to more of the same.
:-(
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@z5
I really don't understand how ANYONE could turn my comment into a negative thing quite so elegantly as you have here.
The show is a good thing. The fact that Hyperion is allowing users to show OS4 to the American public (which I cannot recall happening before) is a good thing.
Let people make up their own minds please.
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I really don't understand how ANYONE could turn my comment into a negative thing quite so elegantly as you have here. The show is a good thing. The fact that Hyperion is allowing users to show OS4 to the American public (which I cannot recall happening before) is a good thing.
Let people make up their own minds please.
Ofcourse it's a good thing, IF ppl go there with open minds, as you say.
However, i'm convinced that OS4 will not be given a fair chance.
If i look at the forums here and on ANN, i have the impression that people allready made up their minds a long time ago...
I hope i'm wrong though ;-)
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I agree with z5 ...but I think that they are indeed comparable right now...opion of the future: MOS 2.5 by the time AOS4 is on the A1.... so it might be a VERY long time before we can compare (in my opionon anyway and I'm sure we'll hear some AI camp 'it'll be done soon' spoiling tactics as seen here (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,687936,00.asp)
[Quoted from Extremetech.com interview]
Bill McEwen: OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC hardware. And it's bloody fast. It's currently in beta testing at 20 external sites, and it's just about ready to go – in three more weeks. The components are ready, we just have to plug them together and go.
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Poster: meerschaum Date: 2003/6/26 18:16:46
I agree with z5 ...but I think that they are indeed comparable right now...opion of the future: MOS 2.5 by the time AOS4 is on the A1.... so it might be a VERY long time before we can compare (in my opionon anyway and I'm sure we'll hear some AI camp 'it'll be done soon' spoiling tactics as seen here
Apple & oranges.
Version numbers means nothing when not of the same product, Features matters not what version number one product is to another.
Now if the plan was for both MOS & AOS to have the exact same features as each other & stick to a strict version system witch was in line with the features added then you may then have a point.
But they are not the same thing so you mite as well say what version Windows,MacOS-X,Linux will be at as well as it will not matter for ppl wanting AmigaOs.
Oh i thought the topic was about OS4 to be shown at Amiwest.
But it was ment to be Aos4 v MOS i guess.
The last bit of your post.
Why bring up Amiga.inc in this thread when its about the showing of Aos4. Cant resist another chance to slag A.inc off yet again just because you can.
Many of us have made cockups of thing and needed telling off for it.But no one would like ppl to go on & on telling off for the same old mistake time & time again months after it had happened.
Even if its an ongoing problem like being behind in youir bills. You explain your situation they either agree to the extra time or they dont, but if they do you would expect to be left alone untill the agreed time is up.
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@z5,
On the whole I tend to agree with the points you are making in this thread.
SidMan.
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@Alk
I'm not bringing it up for the sake of bringing it up... I'm bringing it up to show the Amiga.inc camp's 'release dates' are fuzzy at best... and someone claiming 'we need to wait OS4 to compare to MOS" is wrong because we dont know when OS4 will be done, we can only speculate on that... though I dont want OS4 I do hope it comes out! I think competition is good... I hope its able to compete...I do think its fair to compare them though!..even if OS4 is on an A4000... not in speed but perhaps in features? and completeness?... thats my two cents....
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Showing them together will just start new flame wars, new attacks from both parties,...
Despite that, I don't think always showing and treating them separately is a good thing. I think the less fanatics will be able to make up their own minds, knowing the problems of both (later start on one side, lack of access to the sources on the other, etc.)
Those who are fanatics... They've already made up their minds, so I can see no problem in showing the two together. :-)
And actually I see the two products as nearly identical, just as with AmigaONE and the Pegasos. There are differences of course but not that earth shaking ones, that will make either of them superior as a divine fact.
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I think the reason that the MorphOS people are so anxious to slag off every positive sign concerning OS4 is obvious. Isn't it?
They are terrified of being stuck with an expensive orphan.
I wish they'd give it a break but it's just not going to happen. I'd probably do the same thing if I was in their shoes.
The sad truth is that OS4 does not have to be better than MorphOS to win the marketplace battle. Rather, MorphOS has to be significantly better than OS4, because if it isn't, people are going to stick with the official AMIGA upgrade path. So it's not suprising that Morph owners are getting nervous, they know they are at a disadvantage.