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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: Bridge on June 24, 2003, 04:03:32 AM
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Apple have started their move to the G5: http://www.apple.com/powermac/ - up to dual 2ghz G5 CPUs from IBM. Watching Apple's presentation online shows the computer outperforming dual Xeon's that have higher ghz. Now the question is will we Amigans get in on the act;)
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I see the new IMac in the Apple Site, that's fantastic !
There is inside design, power, innovation and all the people dream for your computer....I hope that Amiga Inc. go quickly in this way, because just now the actual A1 is little old....and so expensive... :-?
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I went over and I must say the specs look pretty nice indeed, we need an Amiga that can do that... and then I saw the pictures.
Does anyone else think our old pal Cheesegrate might have been onto something?
:-D
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:-o It can use up to 8 Gigabyte of RAM! Many hard drives are smaller than that.
:-? Do you suppose that we can finally do without virtual memory? Nah, let's be realistic....
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Do you suppose that we can finally do without virtual memory? Nah, let's be realistic....
Why not ? My fathers G4 mac works with 768 MB and no VM sometimes (only when he does video work), so with 8Gb I see no reason to waste your HD with a swapfile..
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Poster: samo79 Date: 2003/6/23 23:15:39
way, because just now the actual A1 is little old....and so expensive...
This is going to be a very big problem for Eyetech. Who's clone 970 are they going to use? Genesi atleast has Engineers who could come out with a 970 Pegasus. Then again, who's going to buy an expensive G4 starting in August to fund Eyetech's push to find some mobo to clone?
Dammy
AmigaOne! Road kill on the Apple Highway?
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This is going to be a very big problem for Eyetech. Who's clone 970 are they going to use? Genesi atleast has Engineers who could come out with a 970 Pegasus. Then again, who's going to buy an expensive G4 starting in August to fund Eyetech's push to find some mobo to clone?
Hmmm.. the peggy II :-D
Anyway this new MAC looks great, and the power, and the price.
MACs used to be really expensive, but with prices starting at 1999$..
SWEEEEET !
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Definitely more appealing than LinuxOne. :-) :-(
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Didn't anyone notice almost all the comparisons are on floating-point performance?
If we ignore floating-point how does the G5 compare to the Pentiums? Is there a benchmark out there somewhere?
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I'm dead set to get a dual G5 mac by the end of this year! :) ... its going to be my next workstation :)... I love OSX!!!...woohooo
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It can use up to 8 Gigabyte of RAM! Many hard drives are smaller than that.
They are? Well, maybe 7 years ago.... you'd be hard pushed to find a resonably priced Hard drive less than 80gigs, nowadays. IMHO :-)
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Didn't anyone notice almost all the comparisons are on floating-point performance?
Well the Pentium 4's have weak FPU performance ( Intel want people to do SSE2 stuff instead, which seem to work on the high profile games and benchmarks at least ).
If you would compare it to an Opteron / Athlon64 / Athlon it might come out a bit different. However even if the 970 doesn't win it definitely puts PPC back in the same league again. That is if you can buy them ... Rember the Motorola G5 ? :-)
As for the AOne it will probably be outperformed by palm pilots before OS4 is ready. How about making an ATwo after OS4 is ready ?
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And we wait forever.... :-(
Will the Amiga platform have a chance ?
There is time left ?
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Before you start drooling over the "G5" and it's hefty price tag... take a quick peak at some independant benchmarks:
http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1296 (http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1296) :-o
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£1,100 pounds or so? For a dual processor workstation? Have you checked out the x86 price equivalents recently? - edit- oh yeah, just noticed that price was for the 1.6GHz single CPU model. Grr.
Oh, and three cheers for the "thorough" benchmarking by AMDZone. Not. You'd think getting hold of such tasty spec machines, the geeky nature would take over to want to run every test under the sun on them, but no.
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AMDzone:
"No one pays $2,000 to $3,000 for a desktop computer. "
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If we ignore floating-point how does the G5 compare to the Pentiums? Is there a benchmark out there somewhere?
Just follow the link in the newspost and click on "performance", or click here (http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/).
The dual-G5 2GHz is just a little faster than the dual-Xeon 3GHz.
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Never trust benchmarks from the maker of the product :-)
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it isnt just about the CPU its about many differant things... OSX,etc... the price offered by apple for a dual rig of that level of power is pretty good... a dual P4 Xeon is alot of money compared to apples dualie.
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Never trust benchmarks from the maker of the product
Never trust benchmarks, full stop.
I only visit these lame x86 sites (eg TomsHardware) only for a good laugh and my daily dose of FUD. I would trust CNews', Reuters', etc "analysts" as much as a Firewall developed by Micro$oft.
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Nevertheless, I 'm buying the dual G5 when it comes out :-)
I'll keep my Athlon system though, running it as a rootless Linux box.
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Never trust benchmarks, full stop.
This I disagree with.
Maybe "Learn how to intepret benchmarks properly". At the end of the day, benchmarks are only important when you're looking to buy new hardware. Then you should learn a bit about what capabilities of the hardware you currently use are taxed, then pay more attention to the benchmarks that apply to those areas. I say 'pay more attention', because a CPU could be especially good at one thing you know is important to you, but really suck in another category that either you didn't know you should have held that category as important too, or that it would be important to you in the near future, due to change of software, or doing something new with your computer.
Benchmarks are very important, but they are difficult to interpret for one's own full advantage. Another issue is the one-upmanship that goes on between CPU manufacturers for example, how that can sway one's judgement even when you're not looking at the high-end CPUs.
It requires a reasonable amount of technical competence and a significant amount of experience to interpret them properly.
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AMDZone:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And I thought the zelots around here were sad. I've never read so much bias (outside of the amiga community) in my life.
I can't believe that anyone would seriously think that Steve Jobs would get up and say "Hey guys, here is the future of Apple, it's great, but not as good as AMD's stuff".
Anyways i think I'll leave the people of AMDZone to go and w**k over their motherboards :lol: :lol:
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Poster: meerschaum Date: 2003/6/24 11:25:31
snt just about the CPU its about many differant things... OSX,etc... the price offered by apple for a dual rig of that level of power is pretty good... a dual P4 Xeon is alot of money compared to apples dualie.
You may want to wait and see what the Athlon-64s are like first. That and the Opteron's price should come back down to Earth as well which should have an impact on Intel's current pricing.
Dammy
AmigaOne! Roadkill on the Apple Highway!
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Apple will continue to sell the G4 desktops for as long as there is demand, at $1299, directly from Apple.
I know, thats a small point, but they have the cheaper machines, for the budget people.
Still the extremely budget conscious will still have to with a PC. (I'd say Amiga, but we don't have a budget machine either)
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A useful article to read regarding the validity of benchmarks:
http://arstechnica.com/cpu/2q99/benchmarking-1.html (http://arstechnica.com/cpu/2q99/benchmarking-1.html)
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Doh! I posted in the wrong topic, the one with motorola. So I paste my thought here where I wanted in the first place :-D
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So we should expect to see cheaper AmigaOnes and Pegasos in a while with the drop of price that G4 will have
An Amiga with a G4@1Ghz would be perfect for me :-)
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AMDzone:
"No one pays $2,000 to $3,000 for a desktop computer. "
Of course not. It's not a desktop computer so much as a workstation. :-)
I have to admit, the G5 is probably the first Mac tower I actually like. It should definately have more drive bays, though. That's the whole reason PC's are more cluttered, after all. Nobody would buy a PC tower without extra drive bays.
I also wish it came with a better video card. I mean, the ultra-high-end G5 only comes with a Radeon 9600 Pro, and the 9800 Pro is "$300 extra".
That's sort of like getting automatic transmission for "$1000 extra". Remember, you're paying for the old graphics chip PLUS the new one. Overall, the Mac 9800 Pro holds a $200 premium over the PC version. Custom drivers can't be *that* expensive to make!
PCI-X is really nice, though. I wish there were some S-ATA optical drives for the PC, too.
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I have to admit, I like it too, probably the first time I've said that regarding a Mac as well.
'SATA optical drives'... que? I know about Serial ATA, but optical?
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have to admit, the G5 is probably the first Mac tower I actually like. It should definately have more drive bays, though. That's the whole reason PC's are more cluttered, after all. Nobody would buy a PC tower without extra drive bays.
I'm still not sure about the case, apple seems to be going all metalic at the moment (it was plastic/glass before).
At first I thought the same about the drive bays, but thinking about it why would you need them? The superdrive does everything you'll pretty much ever need. Still I suppose if you are paying that much, you'd want the option of more expandability.
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And I thought the zelots around here were sad. I've never read so much bias (outside of the amiga community) in my life.
That particular bias was based from real world i.e. they just quoted SPEC.org’s numbers. There's nothing bias about that.
For a similar issue, refer to "http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/"
I've never read so much bias (outside of the amiga community) in my life.
I see, your not exposed to Intel vs AMD battle royals...
Anyways i think I'll leave the people of AMDZone to go and w**k over their motherboards
Statements such as yours don’t advance your position.