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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: redrumloa on May 24, 2003, 01:23:22 AM
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Believe it! MUI PPC upgraded, finally more colors in the gadgets!
Source: MorphZone (http://www.morphzone.org) (note: personal screenshot. un-official preview)
Note2: RealTime gradients! These are NOT bitmaps!
(http://www.morphzone.org/images/extra/jacadcaps_01.png) (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=ambient2k3&id=jacadcaps_01)
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Nice!!
:-D
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Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie!
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It would have been, if I could run it :)
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
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It would have been, if I could run it :)
You can, buy one of the next batch of Pegasos boards:-D
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I would like to first thank jacaDcaps for allowing us to post this. Next, I would like to express my sincerest gratitude to both S. Stuntz and jacaDcaps for working on making this functionality real and tangable.
Finally, I would like to mention that this is something that many of us have been looking foreward to for a very long time. It's nice to know that sometime soon it will be real and tangable on MY desktop ;-)
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Suggestion accepted I guess :-D.
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wicked!
maybe it wound up on the frontpage because of its kewlness factor :-)
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maybe it wound up on the frontpage because of its kewlness factor
Agreed. A few of us here thought it was pretty big news. :-D
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Nice :-)
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Probably a dumb question, but is there any way that these updates can be made available to "lowly 68k" MUI users? I already use gradients where it doesn't look awful, i.e. on buttons because 0,0 is the upper left of the window rather than the upper left of the actual button.
Oh well, it was worth a shot. Looks great though, truely.
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Get that damned Marvell chip integrated ASAP, I'm DYING to get my hands on one of those bad boys!!
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Correct me if im wrong, but OS4 will come with a version of MUI. I cant remember if it'll be 68k or PPC. Does anyone know?
Also, this latest PPC MUI update, is still developed by a third party isnt it? That is, its not Genesi's product right?
Does that mean, later versions of MUI will be avaliable for AmigaOS4x ??? Maybe OS4 wont need it anymore since i think Intuition will continualy be updated?
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Impressive....
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With the Anti-aliasing, shadows, Icons etc. Amibence (or whatever it's called ;-)) is starting to look really good!
There are some flaws making the screenshot loose some points, though: The MUI arrow gadgets (yikes!) and the placement of the of the window gadgets. I can imagine myself missing them with a few pixels all the friggin' time :-)
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@Rodney
I don't know about MUI PPC one way or another except that it is included as a part of MorphOS, and that is where the development of MUI is at this time.
Anything beyond that, would only be speculation on my part. If you guys would like, I could try to chase Mr. Stuntz down for one of our Amiga.org interview sessions. Hows that?
-Targhan
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>The MUI arrow gadgets (yikes!)
Well that's one main problem. However the
MorphOS team is working on this, it just needs a bit
more work to get around of all old limitations.
>and the placement of the of the window gadgets
Well as you know, that's just one of many skins (I
personally don't like this skin too). However the
screenshot was more meant to show the new
functionality.
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Looks very nice . :-D
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I really like having gradients on those backgrounds.. Adds nice look without lot's of bitmaps.
Based on my experiment those window gadgets should be a bit bigger.. They re bit too small and too unnoticeble for my taste (and vision).
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That is, its not Genesi's product right?
Indeed, MUI is not a Genesi product, the OS4 team has access to the latest sources of MUI and will be integrated in OS4 for (backwards) compatibility.
Intuition & ReAction will be boith greatly enhanced, but there are a lot of appz out there who need MUI, IBrowse for example which is shipped as part of OS4. :-)
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@ Targhan
That sounds great :)... Having said that, i think its a good idea to chase those people for interviews that dont normaly get noticed as much as the Bens, Fleecys and BBRV's, but make a huge impact on the community anyway.
I'd love to more out about MUI and its creator/maintainer....
Actualy, whilst you mentioned interviews, i think i'd love to hear from the current maintainers of Envoy. Im pretty sure i know who the distributors are, but who maintians this awsome product that so many know very little about (including me)? I had a look on the web for envoy, heaps of pages, but nothing that leads me to the maintainers... only sellers... So, :) yer, those two would be awsome as interviews...
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Indeed, MUI is not a Genesi product, the OS4 team has access to the latest sources of MUI and will be integrated in OS4 for (backwards) compatibility.
Intuition & ReAction will be boith greatly enhanced, but there are a lot of appz out there who need MUI, IBrowse for example which is shipped as part of OS4.
I was aware of the backwards compatibility, thanx for reminding me. But are you sure Hyperion or anyone else has access to the sources and that a PPC version of MUI will be making its way for OS4?
I was under the impression that, MUI wasnt very important, and its only for backwards compat, so they would include the 68k version. That way, they support MUI apps, but they dont have to put any resources into it!!! Thats what i thought anyway. Im a bit cloudy over that however.
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> the OS4 team has access to the latest sources of
>MUI and will be integrated in OS4 for (backwards)
>compatibility.
I'm almost sure that Hyperion won't have access to
all enhancements Genesi made to MUI.
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You can, buy one of the next batch of Pegasos boards
ahem...coughcough...ahem....blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :-)
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
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Good Job! it looks great :-)
I'd like to see an option to change the fonts colours of the lister options located of the left (I'd like to put black backgrounds but if I do it I can't see correctly the fonts of the standard mccs listed, and of course, If I put a white background the third party components listed can't be read correctly... It would be great to be able to change that... another idea would be also to have the option of showing the fonts with an outline.
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@Rodney
But are you sure Hyperion or anyone else has access to the sources and that a PPC version of MUI will be making its way for OS4?
Yes, you can read it on page 21 of the OS4 feature list 1.0 from January 2003. Although this fact has been stated a few times before in some another so called "status reports" of OS4. Hyperion also mentioned a few times the LATEST version of MUI to be included (3.9 or later).
[...] so they would include the 68k version.
I don't remind if Hyperion ever mentioned a PPC version of MUI, but as they have access to the latest MUI codebase/repository it wouldn't be wise to compile a 68k version.
They mention a OS4 native version of latest MUI in the feature list, so we can asume that a PPC version will be included.
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I'm almost sure that Hyperion won't have access to all enhancements Genesi made to MUI.
Well, someone should ask Stefan Stuntz about that, but when someone makes some changes/additions to the MUI codebase, everyone who has access to it benefits from the respective changes. So the latest MUI version in OS4 aswell :-)
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>who has access to it benefits from the respective
>changes
As I said. I doubt that Hyperion has access to the
MorphOS codebase.
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@zacman:
See the Hyperion chat from Amiga Expo 2002. Ben Hermans states there that they will use the *latest* MUI source code. A transcript & the mp3 audio file should be (somewhere?) on the internet or on my HD 8-).
So I asume that they have access to the MUI repository, how can they get then the latest source code?
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>Ben Hermans states there that they will use the
>*latest* MUI source code.
Yes I know. IIRC back at that time the MUI cvs server
was even down and not available...
As I said they might have access to the latest MUI
source code but as I also said I'm almost sure that
they don't have access to the enhancements the
MorphOS team makes.
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@Giovanni
Apart from what zacman already said, OS4 will
only contain an unregistered Version of MUI
(just for backward compatibility to MUI apps).
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@logain
Yes. But my keyfile will work anyway. And every user with a working keyfile shoudn't have a problem to edit & save MUI's preferences.
IBrowse uses MUI, the new FT2-Manager also (parts of OS4).
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@zacman:
Well, I suppose that, too.
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@ zacman
MUI is a large part of MorphOS no doubt, but MUI doesnt (or at least i wouldnt think it would) make up any of the source code of Morphos. MUI is a third party applciation/library, which is used by MorphOS as its primary graphix/drawing lib...
MUI is what intiution/reaction is to AmigaOS, only, intuition and reaction arnt third party tools/apis and MUI is. Its supplied by someone to morphos who is outside of the Genesi organisation.
So im guessing a few people (including hyperion) could have access to the sources.
If that other guy (forgot your name) is true when he says the feature list say there will be a native version of the latest MUI, then, sounds like hyperion does have access to it. Possible? Yes, cause its not the morphOS source, its the MUI source!
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>Ben Hermans states there that they will use the *latest* MUI source code.
Maybe for that time being, it's been several months?
But I surely hope everybody will get to benefit of updated MUI, OS4 users included. I myself have registered it aswell, and I think anyone who has done so, should get an update. Not only MorphOS users. Interviewing Stuntz may not be that bad idea at all... maybe after BBRV?
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>MUI is a large part of MorphOS no doubt, but MUI
>doesnt (or at least i wouldnt think it would) make
>up any of the source code of Morphos.
Ok, I try to explain it again. You are of course right
that MUI is "just" a library. However there are parts
of MUI that have been enhanced by the MorphOS
team and all of them will of course only be available
for MorphOS.
>So im guessing a few people (including hyperion)
>could have access to the sources.
Sure but only of the parts that don't have any code in
it that has been added by the MorphOS team or has
been licenced to Genesi exclusively.
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me liking
me happy
me nice picture you have
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@Rodney
a) ReaAction is also a 3rd-party-product, licenced by H&P
and now re-licenced by Hyperion. Old versions can be found as
ClassAct on Aminet.
b) Do you know that the contract between Strunzi and Genesi is NOT
the "same" as between Hyperion and the ReAction-author ?
Yes, Strunzi did give Hyperion access to the CVS, which at that
point included MUI-3.9-PPC done by R.S., but aslong as we don't
know whats in the contact(*) between Strunzi and Genesi, and what
Genesi has to feed back to the CVS and what not we can only guess.
* AFIAK there was a new(2nd) contract singned shortly before the
Aachen-show last december, which went further than just CVS-access.
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Fill me in with one factor.. Strunzi? :)
Mean Stuntz? If not, I am completely out of this all heh
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And its now proven that existing Amiga apps can look cool and modern.
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Yes, it's just too bad that people seem to be in favour of making apps hard to port between different "flavors" of the amiga. If there are going to be two different versions of MUI (probably incompatible, even if not on purpose), one for MOS and another for AOS, developers are going to either (1) be forced to develop two separate versions of the program, doubling their costs and having two pitifully small user bases, (2) pick one of the two, still having a puny user base, or (3) just say "sod it" and write their stuff for a platform not hell-bent on sinking itself, like maybe BSD (netBSD for x86, MacOSX for PPC).
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@CodeSmith
Don't confuse the MUI-API with the MUI-settings.
As I understood this:
A MOS-app using MUI, could be set to use this
theme by the user, but a 68k version of that
same app would just look like "normal" MUI, with
only the a recompile inbetween.
Maybe one could even make IBrowse look like
this under MOS.
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Very nice... think I prefer GlowIcons over the MorphOS ones though :-P
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Interesting. Glad to see this has been done with MUI. There's still a long way to go before MUI can be considered up to date though. I still see no way to control the color of the fonts inside the virtual frames. Nor is there a way to change the images in the "icon list" to 32bit PNG files just yet. I'm glad the borders now have the option to change from the default colors now, but what about setting up an MUI app with black background for listers, virtual groups, register windows etc. What about snapshotting about windows or allowing a way to force the placement of the window relative to the desktop/screen size.
Asside from the arrows, radio, popup props, input strings, and lists... it's a good start.
Side note: The ambient gadgets need a little more space on the windows... they look way to crunched together for my taste.
Last I remember about the MUI sources for OS4, Hyperion have access to the latest sources and are allowed to make any modifications to the source through the use of the CVS as long as the other teams that have access to the CVS are allowed access to those changes and vice versa.
:pint:
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I've heard the same thing Kent. But then I've also heard that Genesi has a special contract with Mr. Stuntz so that their changes don't go back into the same source tree.
This is quite unfortunate as the only people suffering here are the Amiga (and Amiga-like such as AROS, etc) community. It is most unfair to the registered users of MUI. They (if registered) paid for the latest and greatest MUI and shouldn't be limited because Hyperion or Genesi are the company to make/implement a "cool new feature" and, IMO, if Genesi has access to the source tree that Hyperion is commiting their changes to, so should Hyperion have access to the changes Genesi makes to the MUI source tree.
As for gradients in the interface themselves, I'm not much of a fan since they are only glitz at the expense of CPU cycles better used for important tasks. Regardless of my opinion of gradients, I still think this is sad, if true, that registered MUI users who use MUI under anything but Peg won't see those gradients if they so choose to use them.
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>if Genesi has access to the source tree that
>Hyperion is commiting their changes to, so should
>Hyperion have access to the changes Genesi
>makes to the MUI source tree.
You get what you pay for. Pay less get less. Pay
more, get more. That's business.
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@HMetal
a) get your facts straight ! AROS has NO access
to the MUI-CVS as they code their own MUI-clone
(zune), and whoever adds something to MUI "hurts"
AROS-users (by your definition).
b) noone buys the right for updates when he
registeres a shareware-SW, the buy the current
version, nothing more.
c) Hyperion has decided NOT to by a licence for a
registered MUI, but just access to the CVS, under
clear rules. If they don't like those rules they
can only blame themselves.
d) you do know who wrote the PPC-version found in
that CVS, which will most likely be the base
for OS4-version ?