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Title: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 05, 2003, 04:06:29 AM
Hi all..

I write to you in a very worried state.

Bought a second hand Cybervision 64/3D which arrived well packaged along with the manual and installation disks. It took a bit of forcing but I managaed to insert it into the video slot of my Amiga 4000/040 this morning. First thing I did was to check the Expansion Boards option in the early startup which listed the board as working. Great I though, so continued to install the software (Cybergraphics v. 3). All went well, I told it I had an 040 processor and went with the defaults for the rest of the options.

However, on reset the machine crashed citing sys:devs/monitors/CVision64 as the source (Program Failed - Reboot/Suspend). I removed the offending item, rebooted back to a TV mode (only have a TV - it refuses to output to the PC monitor) and tried installing an update (a later CGfx 3 version). This gave exactly the same error. More worryingly I ran a board check program (came with the update disk, can't remember what it was called) and it outputted with a window saying "No graphics devices found"!!!! I have to say I am extremely worried. This has been an expensive return to the Amiga scene, and at the moment I have a dodgy-bustered A4K which will only talk to a TV. When I tried rebooting the machine with CGfx installed no monitor or anything was plugged into the cards output..but surely it wouldn't have crashed?!

I am very scared I have just wasted too much money on this card - and fear if I have it might be enough to push me away from the Amiga scene once more. I beg you all to deliver me positive news (i'm drunk by the way).

All my love,

Dandelion
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Acill on October 05, 2003, 04:28:28 AM
Quote
. It took a bit of forcing but I managaed to insert it into the video slot of my Amiga 4000/040 this morning.


Uhhh.... I'm about 90% sure that card is not meant to go in the video slot. Its a ZIII board. I hope you didnt trash it, but take it out now and put it into an empty ZIII slot instead!!
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Glaucus on October 05, 2003, 05:47:09 AM
Is the video slot the same as the Z3 slots? I mean, physically the same, I know the purpose is different. Hmmm...  It's been so long since I've opened up my A4000, can't remember what it even looks like!  :-)

Well, hopefully placing it in a Z3 slot will fix the problem.

 - Mike
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Ilwrath on October 05, 2003, 06:17:31 AM
The CV64/3d is a two-piece card, if it has the ScanDoubler option.  The SD goes in the Video slot, and the CV64 plugs into the Z3.  There's no way to insert it wrong, provided you actually manage to insert the card without breaking anything.  (Which is a challenge, as the card is BARELY able to fit in the slots -- installation takes about an hour, and that is if you know exactly what you are doing!)

The software install is VERY dodgy on the CV 64/3d, as well.  I've never had an install go flawlessly.  If possible, what you may want to do is try to snoopdos the loading, and make sure nothing obvious is failing (improper version or missing file).  

Also, if you can, try loading the software on a bare workbench install (no patches or hacks) and see if you get better results.  

You might also want to try Picasso 96 instead of the CGx software.  Why not?  nothing to lose, and it might prove your hardware is ok.

Personally, I wouldn't be TOO worried if the software didn't work right on the first try.  It rarely does.  
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: doctorq on October 05, 2003, 08:03:44 AM
I know it's not actually the same card, but it's the same problem.

I had trouble getting my  CyberVisionPPC to give me any output, even though I did excactly as mentioned in the guide. I used CyberGraphX v4 for the installation of the gfx card, on my OS3.5. I rebooted and it said the same thing. Weird!

I then tried to copy all libraries from another boot partion, and suddenly all worked well. I decided to find out what caused this and went through all libraries one by one. What I actually did, was to delete 2-3 libraries and rebooted the computer and if the CyberVisionPPC gave me any output, I tried once more...

Because of Murphys law it was the last 3 libraries I layed my hands on, and I started at the bottom, so mayby you can guess which libraries made the problem; 64040.library, 68040new.library and 68060.library. My acc. board was 68060, so it was the 68060.library that was to old. So try installing the newest libraries after the installation of the CyberGraphX software, and if this fails try downloading the CyberGraphX update from Aminet.

I managed to install the board on a boot partion, only containing the contents of the Workbench3.0 disk, some CD software and that's it. CyberVisionPPC worked fine then, even though one guy said that I needed atleast OS3.5, and the installation would still be troublesome.

PS. But obviusly you need to insert the card in the correct slot, as somebody else mentioned.

Try it out, worked for me ;-)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 05, 2003, 11:51:21 AM
Hmm...ok, so i've taken the card out of the video slot (more blood, sweat and swearing) and put it in the next slot up (a much easier fit this time).

Next up I deleted the CVision64 monitor file that Cybergfx had left and installed the latest version of Picasso96 (all done at 15khz on a TV). Then, I switched off the Amiga, plugged my PC monitor into the Cybervision, and turned back on (the Amiga is still outputting to the TV at this stage so I can see what's going on). It managed to boot and go to a working workbench. As it rebooted the PC monitor crackled into life and it looked like the Cybervision was outputting something (a bluey black blank screen). Then *poof* - guru. 80000004. DAMN!

So then I removed the Picasso monitor file and place the CGfx one back. Trying to boot with this did as it did before...the same error (80000004), but not even getting to Workbench this time.

Aghhhhrrrr!!!
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: lempkee on October 05, 2003, 01:49:07 PM
ok here is a tip ,

everytime i tryed to install such an card in my amiga ...the system crashed on the "starting cgx" part , i put the card(s) back in the box and tryed p96 with a PIV instead and it worked fine, so i sold my cv64/3d(s) and seller reported they worked fine....

looks like my system didnt like that card , most noteably my software.

so i doubt your card is DOA! , crashed on the very same places as yours.

cheers  and good luck!
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Framiga on October 05, 2003, 03:42:59 PM
@dandelion

mhhh! deleting the CVision monitor is not enoug!

You must delete ALL the CGX related libraries before installing P96.

Unistall CGX3 ALL, and install P96.

Ciao

PS-by the way . . .i doesn't understood where you have installed the CV643D the first time!!!!

Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 05, 2003, 03:50:22 PM
Okay. So, I backed up my Sys: partition to Work:, reformatted in and gave it a fresh install of Workbench 3.0. Then I reinstalled the Cybergraphics v3 software with the default options and the monitor scan rate of 31kHz.

Rebooted - crashed (exactly the same place, exactly the same error).

Then I tried updating Setpatch (Amiga International beta off Aminet).

Rebooted - crashed (as before).

I tried removing the CVision3D driver from Devs/Monitors and loading it manually...which again gave me the identical error. I tried running Snoopdos to see when it was failing. Basically it just goes and fetches the 31kHz monitor file in sys:/prefs/presets/monitors and dies. I tried removing that 31khz file which results in a requester asking what display type I want (VGA 31kHz, PAL, NTSC, Cancel). Each of those buttons crashes the machine with the same error.

Then I tried Picasso96 again on the fresh install and the same error again.

There's nothing else installed in the Amiga 4000 - I pulled out my SCSI card and it's made no difference.

I'm running out of ideas :(
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Ilwrath on October 05, 2003, 03:57:16 PM
By the way... What ROM are you running in the Amiga??  It seems to like 3.1 ROMS much better than 3.0 ROMS, from what I've heard....   (I never tried 3.0)

Throw a snoopdos command way early in your startup and see if anything is failing.  As doctorq mentioned, the CyberGraphX software is infamous for copying wrong versions of software or libraries, or copying them to the wrong places!!  

Also, FRAmiga brings up a good point, in that stray libraries left over from an aborted CGx install will cause you many problems.  (I've lived this one first-hand, as well.)  

As for card installation, if you have the ScanDoubler module, there is only one slot you can  plug the card into... If you don't, I don't think it matters which slot you plug the card into -- they're all Z3.  The "video slot" takes the place of an ISA slot in the standard A4000.  In other words, it's in-line with the Zorro slot, not above or below it.  I think whoever mentioned the wrong slots forgot what the inside of an A4000D looks like.  ;-)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Matt_H on October 05, 2003, 04:05:04 PM
What's your Buster rev?

What version of CGX are you using? I'm using the latest version of 4 and haven't had any trouble. Also be sure that you're installing the right version (Z2/Z3) of the driver.

Failing that, try another slot? This is a strange problem...
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Framiga on October 05, 2003, 04:39:08 PM
@dandelion

sorry but i'm still have a scary doubt:

WHERE (in which slot) have you installed the board the first time?

A4000D has only 1 videoslot alligned with the ZIII one and it is the first near the mobo.

So . . .has your CV643d the Scandoubler module? (the little board connected with the CV board with a small flat cable)?

If yes, try to remove the Scandoubler and remove the flat cable also. Test the CV64 without the SD.

Remember to remove the CGX related library before installing P96. (ie cgxvideo and cgxsystem)

I'm not 100% sure but SD needs a driver also.

Ciao

PS- i've take a look in the CV3D install disk.
I've noticed that there are different monitor for ZII and ZIII.systems.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Ilwrath on October 05, 2003, 04:56:01 PM
The A4000D (this IS an A4000D, right?) is laid out like so....

(This is looking in the machine from the left side, the Zorro riser is vertical.)

------- ISA -------     ------------- Zorro 3 ------------------
------- ISA -------     ------------- Zorro 3 ------------------
------- ISA -------     ------------- Zorro 3 ------------------
--- A4k Vid --         ------------- Zorro 3 ------------------

The back of the machine would be the left-hand side.  

I just don't see how you can insert anything wrong here.  Unless you force the ScanDoubler into an ISA slot(????)

I don't know if the driver for the Z2 system will crash a Z3, or not.  It might just work, but slower.  

And, of course... I should have noticed you mentioned something about a Buster... what version ARE you running?  And do you have any reason to believe it may be bad?  Also... What rev 3640 card are you running?  
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Ilwrath on October 05, 2003, 04:57:27 PM
Whoa.... The BB software took out my spacing.  The Zorro 3 slots should all four be lined up.  The A4k video is a little smaller than an ISA, but then there is some blank space until the Z3 starts in it's proper location.
ASCII art is a lost form.  ;-)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 05, 2003, 05:21:17 PM
Ok..so a little update. After the advice to remove ALL the Cybergraphics stuff I had a bit more luck. Following that I reinstalled Picasso96 and rebooted.

Huh! It didn't crash. I tentatively moved my mouse - still ok. Dared to open up Screenmode - lots of nice new modes to play with! Chose one (16 bit 800x600), Saved, the TV went blank grey and the monitor showed a crisp, large Workbench. I allowed myself to let out a whoop of joy and then the computer crashed. Software Failure 80000004.

I was still reasonably pleased though because it seemed like a bit step forward. I started again, this time I made sure that I loaded Picasso96Mode and attached the settings file to the graphics card (went to the menu Attach to Card and told it to disable all the drivers outside of the hardware capability of the Cybervision. At least, I think that was what I was doing). Then, after saving that and resetting I tried again. This time the PC monitor displayed half an Amiga workbench before it obviously again crashed.

It is also flakey in standard PAL modes. I was able to run the Debug program and it gave a full report of the card so it seems to be operating ok which is a relief.

Now, is it the software or my Amiga 4000 which is the problem? Hopefully it is still a software issue but I do have Buster 09 (surface mounted!!!). :( Someone mentioned Cybergfx 4. I'm more than happy to buy it if I can be sure it'll work. Are there any time delay demos you can try?
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Matt_H on October 05, 2003, 06:13:17 PM
09 Surface mounted? That's probably not good. Try switching the card to Z2 mode (Via driver?) and see what happens.

Or bring the board somewhere to have a socket put in...

Do you have another Amiga you could test the card in?
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 05, 2003, 06:27:26 PM
Unfortunately no other big box Amigas, no. I know that the rev. 9 buster is a problem with DMA but I didn't think this would effect the Cybervision.
This is becoming a bit of a bind :(
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Gavilan on October 05, 2003, 08:23:32 PM
Well...maybe is a little off topic this message, but...since you seem to have received a lot of answers...i had a similar problem than the one you describe. I have a A4000D, buster 11, new partition with no hacks...bought a second hand CVB3d, it was supposed to work perfect...but...i tried everything possible, and always same result: machine hanged up after booting or guru error...Every time i tried to use the Amiga on the pc monitor, my machine would hang up, freeze 5 seconds after booting or simple guru error...
Somebody on some spanish Amiga users list, suggested me that it could be that MY mobo revision doesnt like DCE CBV3d, because of a small issue of incompatibility... Your card is DCE or Phase 5?
Another guy suggested me i had Power issues...
I have another big box Amiga, a 3000D, but i only have 2.0 rom on that machine, so i cant test the card on another machine, and i believe that here in my country there are 4 or 5 active Amiga userss (amazing uh )
I hope this little info could help you in some way..
And yes, i gave up a long time ago since i couldnt make the card to work on my machine...i have it boxed again. I never tried again since that days, because i was very upset. (maybe after reading this somebody has a magial solution for me and my card works again??)
;))
Anyway, if i cant make it work on my machine, im selling the card, so if somebody is interested, drop me an email!

Regards
Sebastian

 :-D  :-D
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Framiga on October 05, 2003, 10:28:57 PM
@Matt_H

IIRC the CV643D has a jumper that forces to ZII mode but . . . this isn't the right way IMHO.

@dandelion

try to find the jumper settings, on your CV3D user manual.

Ciao

NOTE- "the CV643D works only with a mobo clock of 25 Mhz, so with some accellerator cards, couldn't works".

"SuperBuster 11 suggested"

By the way: you haven't yet answer if the card has the SD or not (very important for the configuration)

.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: manicx on October 06, 2003, 09:15:25 AM
I was ready to recommend checking your Buster version until I read the last few posts. Mate, Buster 9 is the cause of this error. Installing a graphics card in an Amiga is simpler than lightning a fag and can't go wrong. Having a clean install Wb 3.0 and still getting errors, only things that can go wrong is Buster 9....
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 06, 2003, 10:02:27 AM
As for the scandoubler question - no, there's no scandoubler installed.

I can't think of many other reasons which would keep this from failing other than the buster revision. It heartens me that other people have had the problem (the Argentian chap's desription sounds identical). I think i'll just have to pull it out and stick it in a cupboard. I might be able to source another a4000 in the future which HOPEFULLY won't have the dodgy buster and then I can get back to having some fun.

In fact, I might aswell stick the Amiga in the cupboard  as I can only use with a scart TV which isn't much fun.

Before giving up entirely I might try the zorro 2 thing, see if that makes a different.

Anyway, thanks for everyones help.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Framiga on October 06, 2003, 10:31:40 AM
@dandelion

FYI even an A3000 with SB rev 7, works with CV643D.(Phase5)

Personally, i've used my CV64 (not3D) on my A4000D with its original SB9 for years.

Which accelerator card do you have?

Ciao

Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Framiga on October 06, 2003, 10:48:48 AM
@dandelion

take a look HERE (http://vgr.com/v3/).

There is all that you should know, about CV643D :-)

Ciao
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: dandelion on October 06, 2003, 11:11:33 AM
I have the 3640 accelerator card (the standard 25mhz 040 card).

Thanks for the url - the CV64/3D faq states...

" Q: Does the CV3D have a jummper for setting the card in Z2 mode when it is
   Installed in a Z3 machine?
A: No. " - which means one less thing to try.

The faq also says that although a lot of people have had no problems with a cv64/3d and a rev9 buster, others have found it rather flakey. I'm starting to accept i'm just one of the unlucky ones.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 21, 2009, 01:53:46 PM
Hi All

Its amazing, the Amiga has been around so long that someone somewhere will have had the same problem as you, no matter how strange! LOL

Anyway, I am having the exact same issue as the OP here and Im stuck as to what it could be. Heres the rundown:

Hardware spec:
Amiga 4000 Desktop (rev B motherboard I think)
68040 CPU (standard Commodore board that came with the Amiga 4000) rev 3.1
Socketed Buster 11
2MB Chip 16MB Fast
DCE Cybervision 64/3D MK2
IDE hard drive (I think its the original one Commodore installed)
Optical drive (on the IDE bus, its a Lite-On CDRW)
Kickstart 3.0
Workbench 3.0

Nothing additional attached externally or internally.

What Ive done:

I installed the CV64/3D (with great difficulty I might add) into the bottom Z3 slot. There was a network card installed in the top slot at this point (Its a LANrover card).
I installed the software onto WB as per the instructions (via the 2 disks that came with it, labelled as V3 of the software). All went OK and I rebooted. I got the same error the first guy got (exactly the same at the same time).

Troubleshooting Ive done:
Reinstalled WB from scratch, no patches or additions at all - no effect
Reinstalled the software (Cybergraphics) several times over - same issue every time.
Installed Picasso96 on a clean WB install - the board is not seen in P96Mode (I think thats what it is called??) and running the monitor driver doesnt bring up any screenmodes.
Checked Early Startup Menu, the board is identified everytime and shown working.
Changed Z3 slots - no effect
Installed CGX3 on clean install WB - no effect
Downloaded CGX3 and installed on clean install WB - no effect
Removed network card - no effect.

Im stuck as to what to do :( Ive only got KS 3.1 to try and Ive noticed a "map ROM" jumper on the CPU card that I might try and disable.

Ive got an A2000 Im waiting for a 3.1 ROM to be delivered for that Im going to try the card in too to make sure the card is OK but the guy I got it off (on eBay) said it was working, he has good feedback so Ive no reason to question him :) It was packed VERY well so I cant see it being damaged in the post and Ive checked over the board and it doesnt look damaged at all.

Does anyone have any ideas or something else I can try? I was going to buy some 3.1 ROMs from Amigakit but they arent in stock so that will have to wait.

Sorry for the long post
Thanks in advance
Taj
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 21, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
I forgot to say, the battery was removed long ago and there is no sign of any leakage :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: doctorq on July 21, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
@Tajmaster

It's most likely down to your 68040 libraries. Update them, and you should get a better result.

And go through the manual of Picasso96, or if you would rather use CyberGraphX, update it to a v4.

The MapROM jumper and Kickstart version won't have any effect as to installing the software and get the graphics card running.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 21, 2009, 06:02:49 PM
Thanks DoctorQ, Ill try it right now :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: save2600 on July 21, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Someone mentioned their CV64/3D working in an A3000. Hell... mine works just fine in my A2000! I had terrible luck using the Cybergrafx software (even 4.xx) and the only way I could get it to work was by using the latest P96 drivers. 2.x... the one that, during installation asks to donate $20 or 20DM. OLDER versions of P96 did NOT work.

Try installing that and see if your luck changes...

http://aminet.net/package/driver/video/Picasso96

...and yes, you need to totally delete and uninstall ANY previous video drivers before installing this.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: nutyamiga on July 21, 2009, 07:52:05 PM
I had this problam with an A4000 with a Prometheus Card and Voodoo 3 Card using Picasso96 and updating the 68040.library to 46.5 (date 19/10/99) Size 86,276 Bytes slove this and all is now OK.

good luck Steve
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: RMK305 on July 21, 2009, 08:50:50 PM
I have a CV64 3D working in a A4000 with buster rev 9 and Cybergraphics V4. Are you able to try installing it on a clean install of workbench? I've never had any issues installing or unsing the card.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 21, 2009, 09:25:57 PM
Thanks for the responses guys, I appreciate it :)
 
Ive tried 68040.library V44 but that didnt work either, so I will try V46 as per Steves comments :)
 
@RMK305
 
Yeah Ive tried clean installing it. WB doesnt take that long to install but man do I miss the imaging software like I have on the PC! LOL I think ive reinstalled 5 or 6 times now! :roflmao:
 
Ive also gone over every jumper on the motherboard and the CPU card to check they are all at default settings and they are. Id be gutted if I cant get this to work, I got it for next to nothing (it was part of a job lot of Amiga stuff) and its clean and white. Hope it not the card, although Ill know for sure when I get the A2000 KS3.1 ROM in a few days :)
 
Thanks again all :)
 
Taj
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 21, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
Tried the V46 library, no luck :( :(
 
Im going to clean install OS3 again cos its probably a bit mashed after all the library swapping and crashing.
 
Ill let you know how I get on :)
 
Taj
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: stefcep2 on July 22, 2009, 01:26:51 AM
Quote from: dandelion;56169

Next up I deleted the CVision64 monitor file that Cybergfx had left and installed the latest version of Picasso96 (all done at 15khz on a TV).



Make sure you are not selecting the cv64 when installing cgx: you want to select the cv64/3d.  The cv64 and the cv64/3d are two different cards and have different monitor drivers.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 22, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
LOL, yeah Im selecting the CV64/3D :) Im hoping that ROM arrives so I can try it in the A2000, its really bugging me know, Ive got an awful feeling that the card may be faulty :(

Ive got WB 3.1, does anyone know if I can install it on a machine with 3.0 ROMs? I want try installing 3.1 on the A4000 to see if it helps.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: stefcep2 on July 22, 2009, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Tajmaster;516525
LOL, yeah Im selecting the CV64/3D :) Im hoping that ROM arrives so I can try it in the A2000, its really bugging me know, Ive got an awful feeling that the card may be faulty :(

Ive got WB 3.1, does anyone know if I can install it on a machine with 3.0 ROMs? I want try installing 3.1 on the A4000 to see if it helps.


can you try the card in another big box amiga, even an A2000 with some fast ram should do to see if the card or the A4000 is to blame.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 22, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
Yep going to do that ASAP :) Ive got an A2000 with a Commodore 2630 accelerator, 2091 SCSI card and a retina GFX card but it has KS2.0 so Ive ordered WB & KS3.1 and as soon as it arrives Im going to put the CV64/3d in and test it via clean WB 3.1 install, Ill let you know how it goes, should be a day or two before it arrives :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 22, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
Amigakit.com have some A4000 3.1 ROMs in stock!!! Ive ordered some to see if it fixes this issue. Will post my findings as soon as I have them :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 23, 2009, 10:24:52 AM
Got the A2000 3.1 ROM today, Ill try install it tonight and update the thread :) BTW, I payed £15 for the 3.1 and OS3.1 disks, is that good? Or expensive? The A4000 ROM only was £34 at AmigaKit so Im guessing that its a good price?
Taj
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: save2600 on July 23, 2009, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: Tajmaster;516629
Got the A2000 3.1 ROM today, Ill try install it tonight and update the thread :) BTW, I payed £15 for the 3.1 and OS3.1 disks, is that good? Or expensive? The A4000 ROM only was £34 at AmigaKit so Im guessing that its a good price?
Taj


That's a pretty good deal. KS 3.1 by itself typically runs $20 here in the states and I've seen the WB disks fetch anywhere from $10-$20.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Bamiga2002 on July 23, 2009, 03:54:17 PM
Get CGX4 and use it instead of CGX3.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: yogisumo on July 23, 2009, 05:51:48 PM
Quote from: Tajmaster;516525
LOL, yeah Im selecting the CV64/3D :) Im hoping that ROM arrives so I can try it in the A2000, its really bugging me know, Ive got an awful feeling that the card may be faulty :(

Ive got WB 3.1, does anyone know if I can install it on a machine with 3.0 ROMs? I want try installing 3.1 on the A4000 to see if it helps.
The manual says 3.x roms required...
http://phase5.a1k.org/index.php?id=2
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 23, 2009, 10:12:22 PM
I think my CV64/3D is duff :(:(:(:(
 
I got the 3.1 ROM for the A2000, clean installed WB (no patches) and installed CGX3 via the install disks that come with the card. It just freezes the computer right up as soon as the monitor driver is loaded.
 
I downloaded CGX3 and the exact same thing happens.
 
I clean installed WB again (no patches) and install P96 (downloaded from aminet). It crashes when starting the monitor driver too.
 
Im stumped :( I dunno why it says its working on the early startup menu but will not run in the OS on 2 different Amiga's on 2 different graphics subsystems :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
Guess I need to contact the seller now, I hope he will refund it.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: save2600 on July 23, 2009, 10:21:11 PM
Have you not tried P96 version 2.0 or CGX4 yet??
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 23, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
I tried P96 v2.0 but I havent got CGX v4 to try it with. I would have throught that a well supported card like the CV64/3D wouldnt have a problem on 2 Amigas with no additional software or odd hardware plugged in other than a standard Commodore accelerator card (and a 2091 SCSI in the case of the A2000).
 
Reading the listing again it appears as if the seller never actually used it properly (as in installed drivers and put it up on a monitor), even though the listing states its in "good working condition". He says he has a PicassoIV and has "never needed to use it", with reference to the CV64/3D. He appears to have just looked at the early startup screen, which as I have said, shows it working.
 
I got it for £85 quid, I guess that is wasnt a bargain after all then eh :huh:
 
Anyway, Ive emailed the seller and hopefully he will either let me know what to do to make it work or give me a refund :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: RMK305 on July 23, 2009, 10:48:31 PM
I was watching this card also just to have as a spare. From looking at the listing again I wonder if he did infact know it wasn't working properly, or he couldn't get it to work properly,  hence why he only has the early diagnostic screen-but then I often tend to think the worst of a lot of people. I hope he gives you a refund but I suspect that it will be a case of it was working when I sent it as shown in the pictures.

Did you pay with paypal and a credit card? If so, you will be covered by your credit card company even if paypal are their usual useless selfs.

Robert
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: amiga92570 on July 23, 2009, 10:56:45 PM
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=536393

http://phase5.a1k.org/files/cv64_3d_en.pdf
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 24, 2009, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: RMK305;516680
I was watching this card also just to have as a spare. From looking at the listing again I wonder if he did infact know it wasn't working properly, or he couldn't get it to work properly, hence why he only has the early diagnostic screen-but then I often tend to think the worst of a lot of people. I hope he gives you a refund but I suspect that it will be a case of it was working when I sent it as shown in the pictures.
 
Did you pay with paypal and a credit card? If so, you will be covered by your credit card company even if paypal are their usual useless selfs.
 
Robert

I payed via Paypal. I emailed the seller tonight so lets see what he says :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 24, 2009, 12:28:04 AM
Quote from: amiga92570;516683
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=536393
 
http://phase5.a1k.org/files/cv64_3d_en.pdf

Thanks for the links :) I read through the thread you have linked but I have already changed my librarys to no avail :( I even tried the librarys on my A2000 even though it only has an 030 just in case......yes, Im getting desperate now! LOL :roflmao:
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 24, 2009, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: save2600;516647
That's a pretty good deal. KS 3.1 by itself typically runs $20 here in the states and I've seen the WB disks fetch anywhere from $10-$20.

The guy is on eBay, and still has some left AFAIK. This is his "items for sale" page if you are looking for a ROM for your A2000:
 
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/3071michael
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: yogisumo on July 24, 2009, 05:48:15 AM
I had problems getting mine running with the disk that came with the card also.  I had to install cgfx 3.x patches.  I'd have to fire up the machine to check how I have it set up.  Zorro cards are easy to install ( no irq conflicts ) but the software side can be a real pain.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: doctorq on July 24, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
Unless you have an accelerator in the A2000, you can't expect to get it working on it. IIRC the graphics software needs a 020 as a minimum.

Forget CGX v3, it doesn't work very well. There is a reason it has been updated. Get Picasso96 from http://www.aminet.net instead, you will find version 2.0 which works just fine. Get SnoopDos as well, as it might tell you what goes wrong when booting.

Install Workbench again. Make sure you have a 68040.library in libs:. Install the Picasso96 software (don't unarc it on a PC). After installation, check that you have a Picasso96Settings in devs: and a CV643D monitor driver in devs:Monitors. Start P96Mode in the Prefs drawer, and use the menu to add the screenmodes to the CV64. Select a screenmode and test, and the monitor connected to the CV643D should display a test screen. Save the settings, reboot when it asks for it, and reboot. If all goes well you can select a CV643D screenmode in the screenmode prefs afterwards.

-EDIT-
I just saw that you had a 030 in your A2000. Maybe the card is dead afterall; bummer :-(
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 24, 2009, 12:42:23 PM
Bummer indeed :( Im waiting for the seller to get back to me. Ive been browsing Amibay a lot latley, Im going to have to sign up there to get a graphics for the A4000....a working one! LOL :lol:
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: jj on July 24, 2009, 03:14:20 PM
I have a working cv64/3d that I am not using
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 24, 2009, 05:17:11 PM
PM sent, thanks JJ :)
 
BTW, thanks for all the suggestions on this thread guys, you've been a great help for an incredibley frustrating problem :) The Amiga community at its best :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 25, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
Just to update, I installed the 3.1 ROM in the A4000 just now, clean install of the OS, still crashing ( even with the updated 68040.library). Same thing with P96 so its definately a duff card.
 
Ive emailed the seller a couple of days ago but as yet no response.
 
I wonder if can be repaired? Is anyone here good with these boards??
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: RMK305 on July 25, 2009, 09:31:10 PM
Amiga Centre France or Anthony in NZ for possible repairs. I've used neither, but I'll be sending my A4000 to Anthony for the caps replacement sometime in the near future. Amiga Centre France is quite expensive from what I've heard from some people.

Interesting that you have had no reply as did he did say "I'm usually on-line at some point during the evening on most days."

Good luck.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 26, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
Quote from: RMK305;516843
Amiga Centre France or Anthony in NZ for possible repairs. I've used neither, but I'll be sending my A4000 to Anthony for the caps replacement sometime in the near future. Amiga Centre France is quite expensive from what I've heard from some people.
 
Interesting that you have had no reply as did he did say "I'm usually on-line at some point during the evening on most days."
 
Good luck.

He replied tonight :) I had asked him if there was any kinda special way of making this particular board work (silly I know but Im desperate here!LOL). He replied tonight saying he doesnt know of any and that he would be away for 3 weeks now with no access to email. I sent a reply back just now asking for a refund. The chap sounds sincere enough so hopefully all will end well :)
 
Im bummed by all this :( I got a sweet job lot of Amiga stuff. The A4000, A2000 with C=2630 & SCSI, CDTV with DKB MegaChip,Commodore Flash card and keyboard,2 A1200s (one with 3.1 ROMs and a Twister serial device) and some external drives and a genlock, all for a hundred quid. That stuff has checked out (so far, havent tested all the bits yet) and I was hoping to have the A4000 with the CV64/3D sat right here next to my PC running OS3.9 (got a copy of that and 3.5 with this lot too!) by now. Guess Ill have to wait eh :)
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: RMK305 on July 26, 2009, 04:21:13 PM
I hope you get it all sorted. £100? Bargain. One day I'll get a bargain like that, until then I'll just keep paying over the odds.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 26, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Bargain alright! :D I couldnt believe the lot when I went to pick it up and this guy just kept putting stuff in the boxes?!!!?! Anyway, What Ive checked out so far works OK with the exception of one external floppy and Im well happy with it :)
Just installed OS 3.9 on the A4000, the desktop looks so poor, Im gagging for a graphics card! The A2000 has one (Retina V1.1) but its a poor card and not supported by CGX or P96.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: nutyamiga on July 27, 2009, 12:28:53 AM
Have you tryed installing P96 when useing 3.9 as that is what Im useing in my Amiga 3000 with a Cybervision 64/3d card.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: nutyamiga on July 27, 2009, 12:34:19 AM
Have you tryed to installed P96 on 3.9? Im using a Cybervision 64/3D in my Amiga 3000 running 3.9.
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: nutyamiga on July 27, 2009, 12:41:34 AM
Have you tryed to install P96 on WB 3.9? As I have a Cybervision 64/3d in my Amiga 3000 running 3.9.:)

Hope this helps Steve
Title: Re: S/H Cybervision 64/3d...please don't say it's DOA!!!!
Post by: Tajmaster on July 27, 2009, 08:34:48 AM
Quote from: nutyamiga;516931
Have you tryed to install P96 on WB 3.9? As I have a Cybervision 64/3d in my Amiga 3000 running 3.9.:)

Hope this helps Steve

Hi Steve

Thanks for the suggestion mate. I dont think it would work however, the card has not worked in 2 different Amigas with 2 different graphics sub-systems. And it was around well before OS3.9!LOL

Anyway, JJ has kindly offered a working CV64 3D so Ill hang on for that :)

Taj