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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Pyromania on May 20, 2003, 04:33:41 AM
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Official AmiZilla Website now online
http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html
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Great idea, Lets hope this generates some interest in the coders out there ;-)
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No kidding. The Amiga has sorely needed a decent browser - any decent browser, even a pig like Mozilla - for quite some time now.
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Well, I guess it's time for all the trolls who say they've "had it running" or "almost had it working" to come out and put up.
Why do I suspect it'll be quite a while before we see anything, though?
By the way, no one even mentions WHICH Amiga this is supposed to be for?? OS3.x? OS4? AmigaAnywhere?
Great idea, Lets hope this generates some interest in the coders out there :-)
Someone needs to tell him! He probably has a tough time reading this with that bucket over his head! :-D
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Someone needs to tell him! He probably has a tough time reading this with that bucket over his head!
LOL.. anyway, this really is the way to go though, pay for some development. I am sure this will work.
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Having it for Amiga OS 3.9 & 4.0 would be best, what does everyone else think?
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A beta of Mozilla for AmigaOS 3.x exists. But the guy working on it has lost interest I think, or doesnt have time for it. Maybe this will motivate him? I hope it does. A good browser will be one massive reason to not have to use my PC.
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One word: "Gumption".
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The pot is now @ $2181
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A beta of Mozilla for AmigaOS 3.x exists. But the guy working on it has lost interest I think, or doesnt have time for it. Maybe this will motivate him? I hope it does. A good browser will be one massive reason to not have to use my PC.
Sorry, its more like alpha than beta.. but check this out:
http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1563
"No. I had a good version running on OS3.9 but
the mosdev mailing list was stillborn when I
posted it - it seems.
If I get time, I might ressurect it and bring it up
to the latest M release level and throw it onto OS4
as a freebie port. "
"Erm, yes, I've posted about this quite frequently in
the past and no one has taken me up on the offer
of taking it on - being too subtle I guess. I seemed to be the only one doing any actual work on it so I stopped.
Its slow, buggy ( early M codebase ), and needs a lot
of graft to get to something that I would be proud of.
It is sitting on the machine to the right of where I am typing at the moment which is sans one broken motherboard. "
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Great initiative.
Now all you unemployed coders get together, share the pot, and produce a working mozilla browser in a week and I'll throw in a beer.
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
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For all who have not visited the mozilla thread on ann.lu, please do. A question has raised whether to port Mozilla, or maybe redirect the funds to IBrowse development. Maybe start the discussion here aswel, as off topic as it may be.
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Having it for Amiga OS 3.9 & 4.0 would be best, what does everyone else think?
I think having it for OS3.1 would be best, so we can all use it. Then again, Mozilla is so mind-numbingly slow, no doubt the OS4/MOS people will want a native port...
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Interesting.
I would much rather see an up to date version of Ibrowse than any other browser (Though I liked Voyager too), especially mozilla.
I just doubt that 2k dollars is enough for the IB author to devote most of his time to do it. I suppose he has a job as well, and if he is the slightest bit like me, he would really hate other semi-unknown people messing up his code :-)
Anyway, I hope it will be done.
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
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Note that after 1.6 they're planning to split Mozilla in seperate modules, webrowser(phoenix/firebird??), e-mail program, etc.
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Having it for Amiga OS 3.9 & 4.0 would be best, what does everyone else think?
Having it for every Amiga-like OS would be best. Same source, many binaries.
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This is beyond excelent. Running Mozilla applications is going to get better and better. Soon, when you run Moz apps, the environment will be universal (each app will share universal resources) instead of the app having its own each time its executed.
With a standalone browser, email client, chat client?, composer, and many many other tools, this is a great initiative.
I wonder i someone could develop a desktop based on mozilla... I know there is HomeBase, but im not sure how well its integrated with it. Could be interesting seeing a workbench replacement based on mozilla....
Maybe Hyperion could think about that when Workbench needs to be rewrittin (probably from scratch).
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Having it for every Amiga-like OS would be best. Same source, many binaries.
It never works like that.
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The pot is now @ $2211.
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Uh, no. After 1.4.
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The problem is that Mozilla's only worth porting to OS 4, and we can't seem to GET OS 4. Also, I think porting Mozilla Firebird would make the most sense.
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Also, I think porting Mozilla Firebird would make the most sense.
I second that!
Not that I have any clue, though - I'm just a big fan of Phoenix/Firebird :-D
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For all who have not visited the mozilla thread on ann.lu, please do. A question has raised whether to port Mozilla, or maybe redirect the funds to IBrowse development. Maybe start the discussion here aswel, as off topic as it may be.
iBrowse? Yer, good project, but in no way should it take those funds from a project that could set future development of AmigaOS. I mean, when you port Mozilla, your getting not just an app, but an Environment in which to run Mozilla applications.
Soon, Mozilla will only be an environment, and you'll have with your mozilla package, a standalone browser, mailclient and maybe a few other things.
Porting Mozilla will make it so much easier to port applications written for mozilla.
That is as i see it, more important than anything else!!!!
(firebird will soon become the default browser of the mozilla package)
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@bbrv
It was stated this will also target MOS ,any chance Gensi can throw into the pot? You seem to have deep pockets;-)
@Hyperion
This would benefit OS4 probably more than anything else. How about pitching in financially? Or at least donating consultation?
@Amiga Inc
How about donating some of the proceeds from the auction of unused kit?
cough cough ;-)
Good inititive, no matter which way it goes.
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I'd prefer that the companies and their owners/CEO/Administrators keep there money for their own ventures. I'd like to see this be a user only initiative.
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Argo: A bit late for this being CEO free.. didn't you see who was the fist and main donator(2000USD).. An user initiative indeed :-D
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Im guessing it'll be easier for Amiga Inc to let go of some furniture or PC's instead of the money considering they prolly have huge monetry probs. :)
The PC's are prolly worth more as PC's than money anyway!!! (in terms of what someone could do on them)
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You know what I mean , Don't be coy.
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Well.. Personally I don't much care who gives the money.. What I'd like to see is nice clean variant of Firebird ... And yes, it was obvious to whom you were pointing to :-P
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iBrowse? Yer, good project, but in no way should it take those funds from a project that could set future development of AmigaOS. I mean, when you port Mozilla, your getting not just an app, but an Environment in which to run Mozilla applications.
Soon, Mozilla will only be an environment, and you'll have with your mozilla package, a standalone browser, mailclient and maybe a few other things.
Porting Mozilla will make it so much easier to port applications written for mozilla.
That is as i see it, more important than anything else!!!!
(firebird will soon become the default browser of the mozilla package)
Before a complete and working Mozilla is ported, I have spent two years in retirement home :-)
With IBrowse, the timeline is much much faster. Also many people actually don't like Mozilla.. me included. But what the heck, it's the same for me. If there will be a Mozilla port for MOS, I gladly donate money. If there will be a major update for IBrowse, I gladly donate money.
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MorphOS is one of the targeted systems for the AmiZilla port. As is Amiga OS 3.9 & 4.0. Pot is now @ $2271
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Well, I guess it's time for all the trolls who say they've "had it running" or "almost had it working" to come out and put up.
I see. As someone who has had it running on an x-server and sort of working badly on reaction I guess you include me in that.
Well, ignoring the juvenile insult "Troll" ( which of course is *soooo* motivationary ) do you think the final bit of motivation needed to get back to work on this is financial?
#1 $2000 wouldn't pay a weeks salary for me
#2 The reasons I stopped work on it were well documented
#3 I have other projects that are more important to me than writing apps for rude sods like yourself.
#4 I have a job, after that comes my home life, after that comes entertainment and after that comes my own projects and then after that, maybe, if Im not busy picking my nose, comes sating other peoples jeering attempts to get me to do things for them.
Why do I suspect it'll be quite a while before we see anything, though?
See yours and others attitudes to those that do work on ports and who pull the developers down at the first minor bug. See the real costs of development. See the fact that money is not the incentive that is missing.
Point is, if anyone does this now trolls ( like you - but I gave you the reaction you wanted so I guess Im feeding you ) are going to say "they only did it for the money" which runs against certainly my upbringing.
See hell freeze over before those you just insulted "put up".
:-x
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#1 $2000 wouldn't pay a weeks salary for me
Good lord you make over 100K/Year? You are wealthy and you can fund the project yourself;-)
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taken from the site
"Keep in mind programmers this effort should work on @ least Amiga OS 3.9, WinUAE, Amithlon, MorphOS, AROS, Amiga OS 4.0, etc. so everyone can benefit from the effort"
great idea, the last best hope for getting this browser to amigaOS, but i cant seem to get there website to work in moz 1.3.1 :crazy: (none of the links work)
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stuff mozilla! i lurve Netscape 7's Gecko engine... it's bloody fast at rendering pages and of cours w3c compliant (well, it claims to be) ....
i want gecko!
still, me is downloading the latest mozilla mac source as we type :-D $2k will pay off my credit card nicelly.... only problem is that i've only just learnt how to open a window in AOS ! :-) :-P ;-)
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@cycloid
stuff mozilla! i lurve Netscape 7's Gecko engine... it's bloody fast at rendering pages and of cours w3c compliant (well, it claims to be) ....
i want gecko!
Gecko is the main part of Mozilla, developed by the Mozilla open source team! When Netscape realised that they were really loosing the browser wars, the opened their source code, making the Mozilla project. Netscape is practiacally just a stable Mozilla release branded as netscape :-)
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Amiga Inc. vs Genesi donation Challenge now up on AmiZilla website, will the real Amiga please stand up.
Pot now @ $2321
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stick different userclubs vs userclubs there aswell
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Then again, Mozilla is so mind-numbingly slow, no doubt the OS4/MOS people will want a native port...
Just throw processing power** (and RAMs) at the problem… The PowerPC G3/G4@ 800Mhz (with 68K JIT) is not that slow.
**Also, applicable to JIT-68k AmigaOS (on X86 hardware).
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See yours and others attitudes to those that do work on ports and who pull the developers down at the first minor bug. See the real costs of development. See the fact that money is not the incentive that is missing.
Some people just don't see the value of a skill or of the time and effort involved. Either that or they are envyous.
I only wish I had such programming skill and encourage any that do to apply their skill.
The vocal majority are always the one that have something or the need to complain. Wouldn't it be nice if the quite majority that are the content and appreciative one were to voice their praise?
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Thanx to the great Amiga developer individual Computers and a few others the pot is now @ $2666.
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re: gecko
i'm so embarrassed 8-)
re: the source
well i sucked 32mb of mac source through my poor weedy 56k modem only to find it's in some really dodgy dmg disc image / archive thing that i cant get into in windows! eek
and i STILL cant find anyone in the world who owns a windows hosted gnu (mingw etc) that targets 68k-amiga. surely someone must have figured THAT out by now with all the UAE/AROS/am*thlon ports floating about! (if in could have one then i'd have a proper use for my windows box :-D )
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Just throw processing power** (and RAMs) at the problem… The PowerPC G3/G4@ 800Mhz (with 68K JIT) is not that slow.
**Also, applicable to JIT-68k AmigaOS (on X86 hardware).
From what I've seen of Mozilla on very fast PCs, throwing CPU power at it makes it usable but not fast. My family would rather use slow buggy IE simply because it actually loads within 30 seconds.
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My family would rather use slow buggy IE simply because it actually loads within 30 seconds.
Why IE loads faster is cause IE is allways cached in memory, its allways running....
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I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but a 68k port seems kind of pointless. Since OS4 and MOS is PPC-based, go for a PPC port. Porting a huge project like this for a dead cpu (68k) is not time well spent IMHO.
Not only would Mozilla benefit from the PPC cpu, it would also encourage and motivate people to buy an A1 or a PegasOS.
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I want Mozilla!!!!!
Both 66k or PPC version is welcome.....
AMIZILLA NOW!
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@PPCRulez
Wordz of Wizdom
@Ikir
Mozilla would be way too slow even on the fastest 060 on planet. I doubt it will run on decent speeds even on classic ppc's due to context switching.
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Then why does it run ok on crappy old Mac's running OS 9 or older?
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your crappy old mac is g3@400mhz+ vs 060 and/or flawed bliz/cyb ppc
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Ok, but I used to use Netscape Commmuncator 4.7 on my Amiga 4000/040 with the Mac emulator Emplant Lite.
:-o
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@DaveP-
I see. As someone who has had it running on an x-server and sort of working badly on reaction I guess you include me in that.
Whoa.... I think something got taken out of context here (or I mistyped it.) Anyhow, my apologies for the confusion. Actually, I'm not including you in that statement, at all. I wasn't trying to include the people who have examined the Moz source and said "Holy crap! This might compile, yet is such a cluster-f--- and can't easily be seperated out in any reasonable time, and would take many weeks to mould into anything close to a useable browsing experience on Amiga."
I was aiming for the people who have stated that it would be a weekend job, or they had it running but couldn't be arsed with posting a shred of source or executable anywhere. I was aiming for the non-existant projects like the AMozilla and AMozillaX that never posted a thing other than fake websites. And, I was hinting that this is a HUGE FREAKIN' PROJECT that (amazingly enough) we probably won't soon see results from, despite people (trolls) saying how easy it is and it's a weekend project.
I wasn't at all hinting that developers are slow, incompetent, incomplete, or money-grubbing.
Point is, if anyone does this now trolls ( like you - but I gave you the reaction you wanted so I guess Im feeding you ) are going to say "they only did it for the money" which runs against certainly my upbringing.
No, I wouldn't.... In fact, I suspect, that the $2300 and some raised so far wouldn't average out to US minimum wage for the number of hours required to generate something useful....
Maybe I've grown a bit cynical over the years, but I rather enjoy when other's blatent lies are called out, and the fact of the matter is, if porting Moz *IS* that easy, someone will do it. $2300 is good pay for a weekend job. Not so good for a several month job. I suspect the later estimate is more appropriate here.
See hell freeze over before those you just insulted "put up".
You have a nice day, too. :-o
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According to the Mozilla folks (irc.mozilla.org #mozilla), it doesn't matter whether they port 1.4, Firebird, or Thunderbird (mail-only client). Once the port is done it's done. :-D
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Lindows seems to have done so: Lindows (http://www.lindows.com/lindows_michaelsminutes_archives.php?id=64)
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Bootie is now @ $ 2850
Also, Thanks to Robin Cloutman for setting up
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amizilla/join
So the work of porting this app can be shared.