Amiga.org
Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Kees on May 19, 2003, 11:38:25 AM
-
Osnews.com did a review (http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3589) of the Pegasos running MorphOS1.3
"So, the hardware is slick, but what is the hardware without the actual software, right? Currently, with the Pegasos platform you will find two operating systems included and further supported: MorphOS 1.3 and a port of Debian GNU/Linux 3.x. "
In my opinion the Pegasos gets a good review, wich i cannot say about MorphOs.
Check out the review here (http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3589) ...
-
Quite interesting to see how the outside world perceives morphos, as I am sure it resembles amigaOS close enough for people to think just about the same.
Personally I would hope morphos would listen to, but not be persuaded by, these outside world people. Brr, it could get ugly.
Although at some point I suppose we would have to do like various linux distributions, if we want a market share; make it all more or less resemble windows.
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
-
The only mistake she made that she presumed there is memory protection inside the A\Box. A strict memory protection implementation would block 98% of Amiga programs to run, yet she expected it.
That is just natural for an outsider (and is still a common misconception, many believes that MOS/OS4 will have memory protection, which is true, but not the way these users expect it). I think sooner or later there will be memory protection solutions in MOS, without damaging compatibility, but it's a real hard issue.
-
if we want a market share; make it all more or less resemble windows.
Make it compatible with windows ... somehow :-)
-
good review, i like it very much :-D
roll on OS4, and lets show the world what a real
geek OS can do :-D :-D
-
>roll on OS4, and lets show the world what a real
>geek OS can do
Well according to the Friedens OS4 will be out this
summer (CybPPC version). Dunno, if Hyoerion will
sent osnews.com a CybPPC based machine or
wants to wait until the AmigaOne version is ready
but I guess (if they send a board) there will also be a
review about OS4 then.
-
I'm was surprised to read that Genesi send OSnews.com a pegasos just to review.
I mean ... I don't think Osnews.com is getting that much readers to justify a "gift" like that. I could be wrong about the visitor numbers they get, but looking at the commentnumbers .. it can't be that much.
If i was Genesi, i would send one to slashdot.org ... more possible buyers/developers there ...
-
If i was Genesi, i would send one to slashdot.org ... more possible buyers/developers there ...
I thought that also. Get the hardware/os reviewed by someone with indepth IT knowledge, not some hobbyist.
-
>i was Genesi, i would send one to slashdot.org
One step after another.
-
This first step was a step back .. IMO
-
I thought it was a decent enough review for someone who appears to be quite outside the community.
As far as applications go, I think there are going to be people who are somewhat suprised at the results they get when trying to run software. I'm sure there will be misconceptions such as exactly how system friendly an application really is or needs to be to run correctly. (Simply being RTG isn't enough.)
For the time being, I think that both MOS and (when released) AOS will be where they should be, which is fitting the needs of this community. To go beyond is going to take more time.
-
>This first step was a step back .. IMO
If only one new developer gets in contact with
Genesi, then it was a step forward. I quite confident
that this will be the case (as it was at almost every
other fair Genesi attended or other news
Pegasos/MorphOS had been mentioned).
-
Hi!
zacman is right...one step at a time. :-)
elendil, please read the Comments after the article too. We agree with Eugenia on many points.
nOMAAM, we think the coverage was balanced and while Eugenia is not someone who has been in this Community for years like most of the Pegasos I owners, it was still VERY positive for the Pegasos and Genesi. The title of the coverage is "Pegasos: A New Interesting & Sexy Platform." Our market is *exactly* as Eugenia has suggested: "(the) Pegasos is the geek's ultimate platform and geeks like cool stuff." Not bad! :-)
This is the beginning of the next phase of our marketing. We are targeting a MUCH broader market. Please do not miss the point HERE! (http://64.246.37.205/operating_systems.php)
:-D
Have a great day!
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
Genesi
P.S. And, remember the "M" in MorphOS is for Mobility...;-) We still have some work to do!
-
This first step was a step back .. IMO
No, this was a test. A test to see, what an outsider's opinion. Now they know, what needs to be changed in order to make outsiders like it more.
When some changes have been made I'd do (If I were for them) another test, until the result is overly positive in all areas, then push forward to a wider audience.
-
Pretty fair review I'd say. I don't agree 100% with a few comments but overall fair:-)
-
I'm was surprised to read that Genesi send OSnews.com a pegasos just to review.
I mean ... I don't think Osnews.com is getting that much readers to justify a "gift" like that. I could be wrong about the visitor numbers they get, but looking at the commentnumbers .. it can't be that much.
If i was Genesi, i would send one to slashdot.org ... more possible buyers/developers there ...
OSNews get quite a lot of readers. Im not sure what it is but its quite a few. Especialy in the last year.
OSNews probably also has more of a direct link to Genesi's audience.
OSNews also gets a good presence on slashdot from time to time.
-
Interesting interview
-
Over all, it think it was great to have someone not bias in anyway way, to review the product! Its great, and now i have a little more interest in the product.
Not that i'll buy it, cause im tight :) and this P2 233 recently upgraded to a P2 400 is doing fine atm :).
But seriously, it kinda makes me wish now that OS4 was being developed for the Pegasos. Plus, Pegasos does seem to have quite a large range of OS's which is making it so attractive :) (especialy for people who cant care less for AmigaOS/MorphOS).
-
@bbrv
Nothing is wrong with the article, its a good article ... I just *don't* understand why you give away a Pegasos to a site like Osnews instead of a site like slashdot ... Giving it to slashdot would be a better "investment" and more would be more profitable ...
At least submit the Osnews article to slashdot for more (lots more) readers. Slashdot will probably post it.
-
@ all
Why can't you people agree with the fact that such a review would be more profitable on a site like slashdot ??
its stupid to deny it .. :-D
-
@Nomaam,
I have to politely disagree with your assessment. Slashdot has an infinitely wider audience, granted, but in general, their site is filled with malcontented people who literally seem to hate everything. OSNews.com is seen as a somewhat smaller but unbiased source of news and reviews. (Wish I could say the same for their moderation staff).
As such, it's by far better suited as a "first step" in marketing. Genesi got her feedback as a non-Amiga community "outsider", they now know what they should consider changing to make MorphOS more desirable to the outside markets, and will more than likely accept those changes.
The market here is to show that the Pegasos runs all these OS's and is really the cross-platform of choice, and not necessarily for the Amiga-only market. It takes time to establish the worth of being able to have a PPC motherboard that you can run multiple operating systems on and I don't think the people at slashdot are willing at this point to accept that.
Slashdot eventually, but not first.
-
Why can't you people agree with the fact that such a review would be more profitable on a site like slashdot ??
@ nOMAAM:
There might be more people looking at Slashdot.org (http://Slashdot.org), but OSNews.com (http://OSNews.com) is more pro ... I think the best thing is what You have have written yourself ... Make a link at Slashdot.org (http://Slashdot.org) :-D
-
I agree with Wayne. Articles are posted at /. are usually more to be a target for ranting and contempt more often than to be genuinely interesting.
-
OSNews is a good testing area for Genesi. /. OTOH, is a major leage site and Genesi better have ALL their ducks in a row prior to having /. do a review. Genesi has one chance to do /. right, this clearly a step in preparing for something like that.
Unless I'm completely off base, this is exactly the business tatics I would expect from a West Pointer.
Dammy
-
Ok.. lets wrap it up.
1) The person is clearly not capable of doing a _good_ review, and it shows. No experience how things work and how AmigaOS, and Amiga itself works. Ok, it's a one kind of review and thats ok.. outsider point of view. Got valid points, lots that I agree on aswell, but thats not a kind of review that an experienced Amiga user would do. One can debate was it targeted to Amiga users at all, but it was expected it would find itself to all amiga sites, so the answer IMO is yes.
2) Why the hell to do a review of 1.3 when it's public information that it has lots of unneccessarry bugs and lots of features are missing, of those many are fixed in 1.4, released shortly? Ok.. of course there could be a new review that compares whats fixed and added, but I can't see why she couldn't wait a couple weeks and even get to know the OS more better. There are people finding out new things weeks after use as there are no proper documentation of the OS itself, yet.
3) Why indeed a Peg wasn't sent to, for example, Slashdot, after 1.4 is released? Someone said sending it to osnews now was a step backwards and I agree.
4) The review itself felt like it was done in half an hour, rushed. I've seen better reviews of different banana- and yoghurtlabels than this one.
That said, it's interesting to see how an outside feels about the system, after all, it will be targeted to "outsiders" soon. But the timing was wrong for this review. Is it reviewers fault for reviewing it too soon, or Genesi's fault for sending it to her too soon, pick a side.. as I am a complete bastard and overal negative man, I blame both equally ;-)
Just my 10 cents.
-
@Wayne
Slashdot has an infinitely wider audience, granted, but in general, their site is filled with malcontented people who literally seem to hate everything.
Partly true .. There are alot of people who like to take a swing at things .. but at the same time .. its the negative comments that you remember ...same goes for AO ... right ?
As such, it's by far better suited as a "first step" in marketing. Genesi got her feedback as a non-Amiga community "outsider", they now know what they should consider changing to make MorphOS more desirable to the outside markets, and will more than likely accept those changes.
Action - Reaction ... the more responce you get, the better. The more demand you create .. the more you can offer.
The only problem with mass demand is that Genesi could probably not deliver at this point.
-
@hnl_dk
I only post/submit to Amiga.org :-)
-
Someone said sending it to osnews now was a step backwards and I agree.
Thank you :-)
-
it certainly cleared a few things up for me.
As for the impact on the OS, I dont think it was a glowing review, but I dont think it was bad either.
I think the review landed slap bang on the "neutral" stand.
this comment does concern me though and would like some clarification from BBRV
We started with the Amiga Community, because it offered applications and a development community we could work with and WORK THEY HAVE! :-D This was the "genesis" of the effort. The future is CLEARLY directed at the growing demand for something new and different.
This could be taken to mean any one of several differant things.
-
This is an honest review from someone who does not use amigas, and could be a good help to help win people over who have never used an amiga compatable computer . Im sure it will help them to get some points in the software changed to make it apeal to more people who use windows or linux pc,s .Hyperion should do the same with os 4 this way there is no bias towards any software and hardware and you gain info that will also improve ethier machine and software .Top marks to bbrv to giving them a machine to try and review as time goes on software will improve to, after all its still be written and updated by the time of full release all problems will be sorted out .
And i like osnews more than slashdot i go there every day. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-) :-P
-
Indeed, the attributes of the Pegasos as a platform is that already several OSes have been ported to it - and many more are in process! This was considered very attractive to the Phoenix Developer Consortium, as we have tried to find a way to leverage a larger talent pool of alternative-platform developers but always there have been collisions between the platform's owners making collaboration or cooperative mindsets tough to come by.
When Phoenix saw what the Genesi roadmap was like for multiple OSes and spinoffs of the original Pegasos I design we felt that perhaps we had found a solution for our problems with platform owners, and we liked what we saw for the hardware future. With Pegasos II coming soon, and Eclipsis for tailored delivery devices, with Satellite TV and settop boxes... we feel that regardless of OS there are opportunities for developers of many OS preferences to do something on an alternative platform that has financial legs, and coincidentally a fledgling OS called MorphOS as well.
MorphOS is progressing rapidly in its ability to provide AmigaOS backwards compatibility transparently, and is designed for the future to provide - as you said - some really cool geek space. Anyone who appreciates an extremely fast and responsive, small footprint OS can easily design applications for desktop or OEM tailored platforms NOW!
So for the Phoenix Developer Consortium, Genesi seems to be the ideal partner: someone who appreciates the use of many OSes, allowing projects to come from many community mindsets, with room for innovation, entrepeneurship, and initiative. I would invite any interested developers with interest in any alternative OS to email me (see Phoenix website linked above) to get involved!
As far as pricing: expect this to be realistic as next-gen Pegasos II begins to ship sometime this summer or fall, and to be responsive to decreased manufacturing costs as higher volume kicks in. It may have been an early adopter and developer small volume unit with the first generation, but the intention is to be not only attractive from a geek toy standpoint, but to also make inroads for alternative computing : }
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
-
OK, just a quick couple of responses now...more later.
It is true -- /. does have a broader following. For example, the greatest number of hits we have ever experienced on any of our sites was after Slashdot coverage (all three times). OSNews drives less than half the hits, but we do think OSNews has more "thoughtful" readers and it is focused on what it is, OSNews. Slashdot is everywhere. You cannot really channel Slashdot coverage. In this case, we were able to work with OSNews. The idea today is to begin to build up credibility outside the Community. We thought OSNews was the best place to do this for now. Remember, you need hardware to start with, then an OS, and then great applications. In the end, the applications are what drives everyone back to the hardware. There is a delicate juggling act to manage. Of course if someone sends the link to Slashdot we will not complain....:-) That is how it happened last time.
What we feel some have missed in this process is that in the end the Pegasos supports many operating systems. This associates more developers to the platform and more "brands" at the same time. This gives credibility and creates an environment for innovation and cross-OS pollination. For example, we already have some neat BeOS features being ported to MorphOS. When you have the hardware, OS, and applications conveniently interconnected things can happen faster and more closely coordinated. That is the secret here. In the end, MorphOS benefits because it is the "smallest" common denominator for each Pegasos through Genesi. There is no one else in the market that can do this...;-)
We think the First Computing Revolution of the 21st Century is about to begin. The Pegasos will be what kicks it all off -- freedom, flexibility and value! For more, read the comments on the OSNews thread: Pegasos: A New Interesting & Sexy Platform (cool title!).
BTW, greenboy is right...we hope you did not miss this: "(the) Pegasos is the geek's ultimate platform and geeks like cool stuff."
Ultimate is a very good word....;-)
With the world's OS gurus attracted to the Pegasos, there is a BIG shift for Phoenix (http://www.phinixi.com), as Phoenix now moves into a much, much broader and ultimate role...;-)
Have a great day!
Raquel and Bill :-)
-
@BBRV
>What we feel some have missed in this process is that in the end the Pegasos supports many operating systems.
----------------
Well naturally the reviewer would concentrate on MorphOS, which (IMHO) at the moment is not 100% ready for a review. I would have expected You to know this when you sent the board for evaluation.
Especially to someone so little knowledge of pretty much ANYTHING relating to MorphOS and AmigaOS.
We got what was expected: a review of MorphOS.
Not review of Genesi's history, relations and similarities to AmigaOS. Add to that, some points which seemed to be very unclear to reviewer. In other words: she didn't know what she was reviewing.
It's like me doing a review of FreeBSD after two weeks of use with no background information what so ever. Result would probably something like this.
-
Sorry to be so negative .. I also find positive points and the idea was good. Somehow I feel the good intention went a bit off this time.
-
OK, Hooligan, we will take your thoughts under consideration. Thanks. We do value your opinion. That is why you are the leader of the Phoenix DemoScene mailing list! Just keep this in mind: we had to start somewhere to reach outside the Community. We set the bar at a hieght we could clear. The bar moves up with time and MorphOS will become progressively better and better. Eugenia did say:
I don't see MorphOS ( in its current shape) as the main attraction for this platform, unless Genesi puts a number of engineers to work hard to bring this OS up to speed and usability levels that other OSes today like OSX, Linux or Windows have. It seems that this is happening though, as this new screenshot of Morphos 1.4-alpha shows, now with AA fonts. I will definitely be following the development of the OS closely.
Well, that is exactly what is happening and it will be quite logical for Eugenia to say it did happen in her next review...;-)
Sincerely,
R&B :-)
-
P.S. Did anyone pick up the possibility of extending the potential market for people developing applications for the platform... :-o
-
>I just *don't* understand why you give away a Pegasos to a site like Osnews instead of a site like slashdot
I will tell you why:
Slashdot does not always care about such reviews. They don't write almost anything themselves, they outsource their articles, and the are based exclusively on what people submit.
Also, you questioned the size of OSNews. I have an answer about this too: OSNews serves more than 3 million web pages per month (this is impressions, not file hits). In fact, for April 2003 we landed on a 118,000+ web pages average PER DAY. According to Alexa, OSNews is the SECOND BIGGEST community news web site that covers alternative OSes, after Slashdot (actually, ./ has a more broad news selection than just OSes). NewsForge, MacSlash, Amiga.org, ann.lu are all _way behind_ OSNews popularity and traffic-wise (I checked Alexa so I have researched their rank with some online stats). The fact that you get many comments here is because, since forever, Amiga users are very talkative. Even on OSNews. :D
I hope this clears it out.
-
Not only does the platform have opportunities for applications development, but on multiple OSes it allows business plans to be formed around supplying tailored devices with bundled applications, for service providers, onsite stations, and various OEM markets.
So not only is there a geek toy here for demo coders and coders in general, there is a platform that can support entrepreneurs. if you have a business plan in the making, Phoenix and Genesi can help you take it to a realistic state and get it into the market!
-
Hi Eugenia, thanks for stopping by...:-)
We appreciated the coverage and hope you continue to appreciate the Pegasos!
R&B :-)
P.S. Eugenia, could we get you interested in starting a user group in Foster City?! :-D
-
Hi Eugenia,
Thank you for the review, and thank you for being here to share those stats for OSNews. Speaking from a personal perspective, I feel that OSNews is a way better place to be right now - and in the future.
/. is a place to think about as progress is made on many fronts, hoping that slashdot readers/posters themselves will generally raise the level of discourse to the level OSNews generally enjoys. Right now I shudder when I think slashdot ... though it may have a primacy in numbers, the comments section generally reveals very narrow and antagonistic concerns.
Congrats for hanging in there and taking OSNews forward!
-
>Thank you for the review, and thank you for being here to share those stats for OSNews.
BTW, here are our monthly stats:
http://66.181.171.71/2/42699/7/
Also, the story is now featured on Slashdot anyway (and also on 6-7 more big Linux and Mac sites that we normally syndicate our news daily). ;-)
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/19/1820203&mode=thread&tid=137
-
It's interesting to see the opinion of soemone outside Amigaland, even if they are a bit narrow-minded in their approach. The most annoying thing I felt was them missing the point of the project when they effectively suggest Genesi should concentrate their efforts on making a Linux Box and forget MorphOS.
Rant... Why is everyone so obsessed with Linux - I don't see what's so great about it, other than its "free". Linux is complicated, dull, and looks and feels much like Windows. I'd rather use Windows than Linux.
Something I feel needs to be addressed is the "it's just for geeks" tone of the review, hopefully that isn't what either the MorphOS or AmigaOS teams are aiming for. I never felt Amiga was a geeky platform and I hope it doesn't go that way - I think its safe to say most computer users aren't 'geeks', i.e. they're drivers, not mechanics. If you build an OS to appeal to souly to 'geeks' you're never going to reach the level of market penetration and 'greatness' Windows has (think Amiga users want this), no chance.
Hopefully the AmigaOS team (and MorphOS of course) have taken note of this review - their clearly are lessons to be learnt.
-
You have some misconceptions here:
> they effectively suggest Genesi should concentrate their efforts on making a Linux Box and forget MorphOS
No one said that. MorphOS is PART of the geek factor and should remain part of the business plan. But MorphOS *today* is not ready to *lead* a whole platform into commercial success. What I suggested was to also concentrate on marketing the platform as Linux or BSD or (better) Darwin until MorphOS is ready to fit the bill.
>Why is everyone so obsessed with Linux
if there is one person that is _not_ obsessed with Linux, that is me. I don't quite like Linux as a desktop machine. My favorite free Unix (for servers of course) is FreeBSD while Solaris and IRIX are my favorite commercial Unices. However that doesn't mean that Linux doesn't "sell" to others and Genesi shouldn't take advantage of this fact. They should.
> I never felt Amiga was a geeky platform and I hope it doesn't go that way
Surely, in the past Amiga was a great home computer. But what Genesi sells today is a motherboard and a CPU. Obviously, this doesn't appeal to my mother. She will electrify herself if she tries to put the computer together herself. :D
Until Genesi provide a full solution, this product remains geeky (or at least "technical"), you like it or not. ;-)
-
While I liked the outsider perspective from Eugenia I also think that her article miss one important point:
The first aim of the Pegasos/MorphOS is to provide an AmigaOS evolution in order to get enough developers to move further and then attract new users interested in the alternative platforms.
I agree that some progress need to be done to achieve this goal. MorphOS is still in Beta and it has to be enlighted. Also MorphOS runs existing RTG Amiga application extremely fast and native applications even faster.
I have a Pegasos since early April and I was planning to migrate from my Amiga PPC + Gfx card to it slowly but since I got it and transfered my software data I did not use my Amiga anymore.
I did not get any problem with the applications I was using on the Amiga.
Of course slashdot srewed up completely with puting a little quote in the Mac section where everyone wonder why a G3 600 at 500$ would make sense to run OSX :-?
Maybe it was a bit early for going to OSNEWS .
I hope Eugenia will test newer versions and try to think partly with an AmigaOS perspective.
I guess that Nicholas can not do the review anymore since he his a Genesi employee. Too bad as he has a good insight of AmigaOS but also similar niche market OS such as all the BeOS derivatives.
-
hey cockney_dave,
I have to agree with Eugenia's appraisal here that the business plan is not entirely focused on MorphOS - nor should it be. All evidence of working with Genesi as providers of custom hardware about to enter its second-generation product is that early adopters, aka "geeks" may enjoy MorphOS, and former Amiga users may like the fact that it leverages their existing software collection... but many projects and products in the near-term and even the mid- and long-term can and should be driven by other OSes.
Contracts with, and the teams assembled to provide OEMs with tailored solutions sometimes depend on OS choice/specification. So selling them with other OSes on this efficient, clean small-footprint hardware we are coming into soon will still provide the development drive and funding to improve MorphOS and increase the baseline services and applications for MorphOS.
Which takes us back to the SuperBundle, in an odd roundabout fashion.... ; }
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
-
As with many alien technologies {in relation to Slashdot coordinates ; }, the comments and articles usually end largely misunderstanding the focus of the originating item, and the intentions of the driving entity(s). Some of that is rather on-purpose, and some of it is just that the perspectives from different communities are bound to differ.
Still, at the end of the day, I usually get some perceptive and interesting inquiries.
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
* * *
cdfr,
The day I got my Pegasos, I had the main harddrive stripped out of my last semi-running Amiga, and applications were being mined. The Amiga went directly into the closet museum and the smile went back on my face with the ability to use a great majority of my old apps, and my gigabytes of data and content.
Now, if I only had more time.... : }
-
Just an afterthought...
It is clear the coverage on OSNews was far superior than what followed on Slashdot. On Slashdot the focus was more on the "mainstream" -- "another PPC that will run MacOSX." MorphOS was barely mentioned, Mac-on-Linux and EULA issues were the focus. Please do not misunderstand us, these are very interesting issues too, but less important to our future than MorphOS itself or a special distro of Linux for the Pegasos. One can clearly see the substantive focus of OSNews vs. the uncontrollable and explosive nature of Slashdot. Both sites fill a role. Yesterday, we benefited from the advantages of both! :-D
All in all, it was a good day for coverage. Plus, we "touched" a few people outside the Community yesterday, which is essential to the platform's success.
Sincerely,
R&B :-)
-
It is clear the coverage on OSNews was far superior than what followed on Slashdot. On Slashdot the focus was more on the "mainstream" -- "another PPC that will run MacOSX." MorphOS was barely mentioned, Mac-on-Linux and EULA issues were the focus.
Hehe ... that would be different if you send the Pegasos to them :P ...
I'll stop now :-)
-
Hi nOMAAM, that is how it is done in the United States. All the computer magazines and all the websites work that way. It works this way for more than computers...appliances, cars, in fact nearly every consumer product there is promotes their products this way!
We are sure it works that way here in Europe too.
Think about it! ;-)
R&B :-)
-
hehe ... please don't *explain* to me how business works ... i'm a manager myself ... its a matter of different approach.
We can discuss this for hours ... we're prolly not going to agree in the end ...
Your happy with the responce you got .. and thats the only thing thats important. :-)
-
Hi,
Actually, at least in the computer market, I know for a fact that lots of promotion by manufacturers/importers etc. is done by actually sending/giving products to magazines, here in Holland/Europe as well.
When the Dutch Amiga Magazine shut down years ago (note: NOT AmigaScene) they had about 2 carloads full of Amiga products which they got for free for (p)review purposes. Now this doesn't mean that it were automatically postive reviews, but it did work fine.
I think it does depend a little on the branch you're in though, I don't think Ford gives away it's latest models for free to magazines to get them to review them.
Cheers,
Ron
-
Yet in the firearm industry, they will do it for specific author's review of their new product. I'm not sure how the auto industry does it, probably on a short "sweetheart" lease basis. Regardless, I'm happy to see Genesi getting some over due exposure outside our tiny community.
Dammy
-
just *don't* understand why you give away a Pegasos to a site like Osnews instead of a site like slashdot ...
Do Slashdot do reviews? I only thought they posted reviews from other source like for example osnews?
If someone post about the review to slash, i bet it will be there pretty soon