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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: AmiDelf on May 14, 2003, 07:53:20 PM
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- Amiga Inc. about AmigaOS4 and more
- article on how to expand your Amiga 500
- guide on how to install SFS (SmartFileSystem)
- layout changed
- you can *WIN!* SpiderUSB 2.0 from ELBOX by giving Amitopia (our paper magazine) a good slogan. You have to order Amitopia to be a part of the competition. This one ends 31.07.2003
Have a nice week, and I have to mention something. Norways national day is on Saturday 17th of May. Lots of things happends this day in all areas in Norway. If you didn't know that, you know now :)
Regards,
Michal
www.amigaworld.org
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Gee, I wonder who is bankrolling this new fiasco. Oh, new coupon, err, ahh, uhm, membership drive perhaps?
Dammy
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Eh? Is there any possibility you could cut down on the caffeine so we could understand you, Dammy? What are you talking about?
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You have to order Amitopia to be a part of the competition.
Such deals are legal in Norway? Marketing like this is illegal in most (if not all?) EU countries.
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Nice roundup :-)
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Bankroling, ie funding of this adventure. Becoming a print magazine takes a bit of up front capital. I'm wondering who is coughing up the money to do it.
Dammy
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AFAIK that is illegal in norway too.
Sometimes one just get bored with this standoffish business crap.
:-D fleecy got some hard hitting questions this time :-D
"Im not sure what you mean" twice :-D
good job AmigaWorld!
Cheers :pint:
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@Dammy et al
Your slagging off the wrong people, this isn't Amigaworld.net that you love to bitch about. This is AmigaWorld.org which is the website to Amitopia magazine.
I know that some people get a little overexcited at the thought of making digs at anything related to A Inc, but a simple check of the link would have shown that you were barking up the wrong tree.
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Well. Everyone wich orders Amitopia enters the competition. Thats how it is.
Norway isnt inside EU. There are lots of magazines here promoting products when order. We have a competition going on. So the price for Amitopia aint higher than usual because of the competition. Its a method for getting people to subscribe.
Amitopia is a Amiga magazine in paper, and needs all the money to survive. I hope you understand now.
Later on, Amitopia will start with normal competitions too. Just visit amigaworld.org and you might win things without ordering Amitopia.
Please support, then better support..
Michal
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Norway isnt inside EU.
So you're saying this is legal in Norway?
There are lots of magazines here promoting products when order.
Ah so every new customer gets SpiderUSB 2.0 ?
Its a method for getting people to subscribe.
It is still illegal (in most civiliced countries) and definetely morally dubious. There are laws forbidding this kind of marketing for a reason.
Amitopia is a Amiga magazine in paper, and needs all the money to survive. I hope you understand now.
And this makes illegal activities ok? Just because you do it "for a good cause" doesn't make these kind of actions legal. To exaggerate: You don't rob a bank to feed starving children.
Perhaps you should not be running this magazine if there aren't enough sales to make it stay afloat?
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It is still illegal (in most civiliced countries) and definetely morally dubious. There are laws forbidding this kind of marketing for a reason.
No this is not illegal here in the UK (which unfortunately is stuck in the EU) to run private competitions for subscribers of magazines and services, many magazines do this, some charities here even do this. It is not morally dubious either to do this.
The law your refering to is to prevent unregulated lotteries.
Perhaps you should not be running this magazine if there aren't enough sales to make it stay afloat?
I don't know why people bother giving up thier time to do things for the collective of ungrateful b******* known as the "Amiga Community"
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Um...
Some of Fleecy's comments directly contradicts his other comments
found elsewhere (the other amigaworld, various articles Fleecy has
written over the years, the Amiga executive updates, etc). By the
timeline given in this interview, we hit a statistical impossibility:
The decision to start AOS4 was made *after* the original delivery
date.
Fleecy's starting to make the classical blunder of all con artists,
forgetting what has been stated beforehand so they can be caught.
Face it, Amiga Inc never had any plans of delivering a product. They
were a shell game from day one. It's a game to them, seeing how long
they can keep this line going before people realize they've been
duped. All while their executives laugh to the bank, having embezzled
the investors money.
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@uncharted
They're a con game, that's why.
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Hi,
It might be just me but this was a news item about AmigaWorld Magazine update 1#2003. But it's legal talk now?
Anyway, I am happy for you guys. Your doing action and no talk. :-)
Coder
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@Downix
Are you making this allegation in your capacity as a reseller of Genesi kit or as a private citizen?
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Normally I would not post to something like this, but you (yes, you :)) really ought to have better things to do than flame amitopia.
My guess is you would not have bought it anyway, now you have a problem with it, so you will not buy it EVEN MORE, but why discourage others and especially the author?
You do REALLY care if it is legal or not? It will hurt you in a serious way, because? It will hurt others in a serious way, because?
This has become far too typical and as someone else stated, I cannot see why anyone would bother doing anything for this community.
Sincerely.
-Kenneth Straarup.
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WOW :-o
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Huhh. It must be admitted, the questions were not the best ones.
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Somebody does something for the community, and they shoot him down :-( .
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For crying out loud, give the guy a break. :roll:
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Edit: Hmm, I'm blind, I admit it.
Personally, I think AmiDelf deserves some credit for doing this. I'm not a subscriber, but I believe he is doing this because he loves the Amiga as a computer (and not because he's worshipping any CEO).
And as for the competition:
Of course you've bloody got to be a member (subscriber) to enter the competition. It's the "you have to buy this product to enter the competition" that's illegal. I think in this case the wording is a bit wrong, because it's about membership in a club more than purchasing a product.
So cut the crap, cluebies.
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Theres a Q+A on amigaworld.org as well as amigaworld.net.
Most of the answers start with "Im not sure I understand the question" ( translation problems perhaps ).
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I just saw it. I understand why he couldn't answer. It's like, uhm, why aren't you giving us Kickstart 4.0 PPC? Eh? When have we said we would do that?
They haven't, Escom did. When was that, 95? Yeah, right.
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@olegil
Quite.
LIARS! THEIVES! EMPTY PROMISES! FAKERS! CONMEN! MISERABLE TRICKSTERS! BAGGINS! SHIRE! EMPTY SHELL! AMINO!
:-D
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>Amitopia is a Amiga magazine in paper, and needs
>all the money to survive. I hope you understand
>now.
KDH and Vesalia are Amiga dealers. And they need
the money to survive. Nevertheless none of them
has ever made such a promotion longer than a few
days. Then it was stopped. Guess why.
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You do REALLY care if it is legal or not?
I guess HE cares if it is not legal way to do.
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Since, so many argues about this. I remoove the competition. We just want people to sign on and with such reputation. We learn from our misstakes. A magazine cant live with it so.
Here is how the paper magazine looks like. It's really alive:
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/AmiDelf/Amitopia25thofMay.jpg)
As mentioned before. AmigaWorld Magazine dosent have any adverts for other things than its own things. With this, we hold a nice profile for the webpage.
The questions for Amiga Inc:
Well, those questions about Kickstart 4.0 and so on and some other questions, was done with people on #AmigaWorld irc channel on EFNET. Thats the main source and info irc channel for amigaworld.org Be sure not to talk about PC propaganda there :) that results in kicking...
Michal,
AmigaWorld/Amitopia:
www.amigaworld.org
Dreamcast: www.PetitionOnline.com/HelpDC/petition.html
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@DaveP
I'm not a reseller of a Genesi kit. Thereby, leaves one option, that
of a private citizen, doesn't it?
But I'm not the only person with this feeling, based on what has been
publshed over the years. Fleecy does need to learn to remember his
own history, even if this was an innocent slip-up with no malicious
intent.
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Poster: DaveP Date: 2003/5/15 4:35:45
@Downix
Are you making this allegation in your capacity as a reseller of Genesi kit or as a private citizen?
Why wouldn't he be a private citizen reguardless of his standings with a private company? What does a company have to do with one's citizenship?
Dammy
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Reading the comments on this thread really make me feel quite sad!
It's a shame to see what the Amiga "community" has been reduced to:
1. Somebody sees the name "AmigaWorld" and decides its a great opportunity to have a dig at Amiga Inc. Nice one Dammy, try getting your facts right next time - have you even apologised to AmiDelf yet?
2. People complain about the legalities of giving away a prize so much that AmiDelf decides to withdraw the competition... I hope you guys are happy now!
One question: Why?! :-?
Ian
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@Downix
I was under the impression you ran Pegasos-USA and resold Genesi kit in the USA? If this is wrong please correct me and Ill apologise for the misunderstanding.
Heres the bit thats important:
All while their executives laugh to the bank, having embezzled
the investors money
If that was the case then accusations on a public forum could be seen in the light of impending or in progress legal action taken in the US against Amiga Inc. It has more weight if you see what I mean.
If as a private citizen, then its not the Genesi position and it has less weight.
I too have the impression that you do about Fleecy in particular which is why I put the question I did on AmigaWorld - which you will have notice DIDNT get selected this week.
I put a question this week about what he thinks the value of the brand is now in dollars. ;-)
@Dammy
I understand your position, but what you need to realise is that in this world ( Amiga ) Im just another consumer. Like you. I don't have "red troll" blinkers on as the dialogue we had on the ANN thread should have told you ( and the questions on AmigaWorld ).
I have respect for the work of Hyperion and Eyetech ( to a lesser extent ) but that respect does *not* extend to any other parties in this market unless they have earned it.
:-?
I realise that you think that just because I don't agree with you often on public forums this must mean Im some kind of hood with an interest. It really is not the case.
The only interest I have is OS4, and further on from that the truth. The questions I ask are often aimed at those that make bland statements without substantiation and I cannot see how they get from the known facts to their assertions so I put questions in the way ( and yes I often deliberately phrase it in such a way so they should see how their assertion sounds to other ears ). I think this is what you think is trolling.
I have to do this far less for those that make strange assertions that are positive about Amiga Inc because of the cacophony of those arguing in that direction.
Just because say Seehund sayes something ( that is his reasoned conclusion ) for example ( just an example Seehund ) does not mean that I have to take it and his reasoning as verbatim truth - there may be simplifications and there is his background to consider as well as what we know from current knowledge about what really transpired in the past ( good example: AOS4 when it was being *not* developed by H+P and On Schedule and Rockin` ).
Oh I don't know why Im explaining. :-?
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I love the Amiga -
I care about it -
I dont say that people have to order Amitopia -
I promote with a product, wich you can (could) win when ordering the magazine -
With more money and spirit, Amitopia would come out in English and for everyone. But people likes to shoot whats left of the goodhearted Amiga community.
I wish that more people supported up Amitopia. But people dosent seem to care, and because of this, Amitopia is now 8 pages thick, instead of 24 pages as usual. I pay for the magazine thru my other work. If it was only my subscribers who payed, Amitopia would be dead 2 years ago.
Regards,
Michal
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@DaveP
I set up peg-usa.com and helped run it for awhile, but I was never the one in charge, just a little cog. I'm a cog on other pages now.
I'm just a little cog, tired of seeing this game go on. What saddens me is that Amiga Inc actually turned-away my money on one occasion.
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Michal,
I for one applaud your efforts and wish you all the best. It's really nice to hear that somebody puts in as much money and time as you have - I for one am amazed that you bother with the state of the "community" nowadays!
If you ever release Amitopia in English I'm a definite subscriber :-)
Don't lose hope!
Ian
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illegal to have a sweepstakes ? in the US its perfectly legal to market like that... you automatically enter a sweepstakes when you order the magazine... just like you enter sweepstakes at mcdonalds when you buy a bigmac, when you buy a pop and look under the cap... etc etc etc... there shouldnt be anything illegal about it...I think AmiDelf did this with the best intentions and he's never been a 'troll' either way... I dont see anything wrong with it... and it might be a good idea...
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Count me in too if you ever make it to english.
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AmiDelf rules!!!:) And I also hope to see
Amitopia in the states some day.
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Mips, at least here in Finland, if someone's marketing their product
with a lottery / sweepstake-style scheme, you're eligible to
participate in the lottery without buying the product.
Participation is usually by snail mail in these cases.. Also the law
states that non-buyers must have an equal chance of winning as those
who bought the product.
One of the nicer laws in my opinion.