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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: mordock on May 09, 2003, 04:31:10 PM
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Virtual Works, Soft 3 and Bitplane magazine are demoing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k) at the Webb.it show in Padua (Italy)
An Amiga One XE G3 800Mhz with Debian Linux PPC and an Amiga 4000 with Os 4.0 beta are present and running at the booth of Virtual Works, Soft 3 and Bitplane. Also an ipaq with Amiga Anywhere is present and the last issue of Bitplane magazine is available. Attenders seems very interested about the Amiga One and the OS 4. Tomorrow Elena Novaretti will show her own Pegasos running MorphOS. We will release more info about the show progress (it will last until sunday) tomorrow.
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Pictures please...
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Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)
More info please, 68k?
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AmigaOS4 for 68k?
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My guess it is OS 3.9 binaries running on ExecSG?
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Tomorrow Elena Novaretti will show her own Pegasos running MorphOS
Pictures please:-)
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Seems the "booting-into-Workbench"-stories were either a bit
over-optimistic, or the result is still to buggy to be considered.
While it may be problematic to show a buggy OS(*) it is
(IMO) even worse to show only 68k-modules (again).
(*) As I understand this, they plan to really just show it,
instead of the "touch-and-try"-sessions that we have seen from
those whose names I shall not utter :-P over the last 6 months.
Selecting stable apps and avoiding known bugs should be
dead-easy, aslong as the core OS (kernel,intuition...)
isn't the prob.
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My guess it is OS 3.9 binaries running on ExecSG?
Hmmm, could be, but in that case I would strongly
suggest to edit the news-item as it would be quite
misleading.
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Oh dear, don the asbestos suits. Kronos is in the house :-)
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@Kronos
I havnt even heard the stories of booting into WB at al. If that is true it is good news!
That said I doubt too Hyperion would demo OS4 if it is buggy. They probably saw the crap thrown at Thendic 1 year ago when they were demoing the MOS ).9 or whatever version that was. Someone claimed to see a system hang and it spread on the internet like wild fire :-o
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@Redrum
Want Elena pictures ? I thought you were married ;-)
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havnt even heard the stories of booting into WB at al. If that is true it is good news!
red:
Its true
Comment 27 (http://ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1052082745&category=forum&start=1&63)
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for live pictures go to:
www.istage.org/public/webbit.jpg
It refresh every 30 secs (you have to reload manually)
We will post more pictures tomorrow...
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Can we see the front of the monitors now please ;-)
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aint seen a refresh as yet at the time of typing
hmm
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mordock: that is the worst picture I have ever seen. Why post a shot of the BACK of a MONITOR? Come on now, put it *in front* so we can see something.
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:-o
Want Elena pictures ? I thought you were married
The computer :smack:
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It ain't refreshing now! Maybe they are moving the camera :-D .
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Yes and now a little to the left!
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Yay I just got my first look at OS4, albeit highly blurry :-) .
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Sorry, we have no intention of showing a product unless we are satisfied with it.
We have been running Workbench under ExecSG for well over a month now and are in the process of migrating 68K modules to PPC.
But you can only make a first impression once.
This doesn't mean we won't demo it before it's entirely ready to ship but it does mean that we want to see something that is at least as stable as OS 3.9.
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:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-D :-D :-D :-D
68k? :-?
But still! great news!
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The name of the site of webb.it is PADOVA not Padua.... :-( ....
Anyway this is a great news because the Webb.it it's a very important show of information tecnology in Italy...
samo79
http://digilander.libero.it/samo79
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wow comment 27 was in response to my comment 26, but I never read it.
I miss so much when I'm not reading every post religiously...sigh
anyway, great to hear that it is booting workbench, its all but done now.
yes, of course they cannot release it until its as stable as 3.9...I mean gosh, thats not exactly a big goal there, in terms of stability.
Now...this is not to say that I personally have become happy with all the delay, but nevertheless, I am happy that it appears the delaying will be over somewhere in the not too incredibly long future.
Sigh, hmmmm too bad they can't announce what they'll show at amiWest, bound to boost attendance, if they could announce in advance...I know, I know, it have to be ready now....such ashame.
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@ MarkTime
Is OS3.9 not stable then?
No idea, still running 3.1 on my A1200...
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AmigaOS4 for 68k?
I think all they are saying is they had OS4 running on an 68k machine. Ie, the Amiga4000 is the 68k machine.
We all know there are no 68k binaries so the poster obviously a bit wrong. Well, he wasnt, but his wording was.
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I think all they are saying is they had OS4 running on an 68k machine. Ie, the Amiga4000 is the 68k machine.
Well since Hyperion have confirmed it, I guess it's ok to also say that it not only boots Workbench on PPC equiped Classics, but is also launching 68k apps. They are now working on moving those 68k modules to PPC native.
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But what are these modules? Are these small utilities, commodities, or libraries?
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If these modules are tested in 68k and then moved to PPC once they are done then are these modules running under OS3.9?
Or, is all of OS4 in 68k first and then moved to PPC?
If the modules do run under OS3.9/ OS4 in 68k then can they be released as an OS3.9x/OS4 upgrade for classic users?
I agreed with this same suggestion months ago but people dismissed the notion that OS4 modules ever saw a 68k CPU.
:-?
Valan
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But you can only make a first impression once.
I hope they remember this when they design the default 'look'.
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More info please, 68k?
I've already written this to AW and ANN, but:
We've said in the past there is only one chance to make a first impression. We decided that we still want to invest a bit of work in the current version before we show this in public.
This doesn't invalidate earlier statements. OS 4 can boot to workbench, you can run programs from workbench, you can connect to the internet, even some old demos work.
However there are still some compatibility issues that we want to take care of before a public demonstration.
More news will be coming in the next few days.
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OS3.9 68k with OS4 modules and prefs.
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@Rogue
Great news! Looks like interesting days lie ahead, especially considering I will be ordering an A1 soon!
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showing Amiga One and Amiga OS 4 beta (68k)
A *bit* misleading title. People believes it is AmigaOS4 compiled to 68k and working under emulation over ExecSG PPC, on AmigaOne.
Reality: Hyperion has this very same thing but working on a PPC accelerated A4000. This is quite
good news (still needs work though). AmigaOne version still long way off (-months-).
Reality2: This "AmigaOS4 beta (68k)" at Webb.it is the same old demo from Show/party held last year
in Scandinavia. It's OS39 demoing some 68k compiled OS4 libraries and programs.
The point is that there is very little concern in
pursuing clarity from who, it seems to me, is
over-excited about Amiga "official" path.
Better to concentrate on what has been achieved
so far than to anticipate things that, actually have
not happened (yet). Hyperion is learning the lesson
(respect to those who rectify).
Overhypers should think more what they write.
PLEASE.
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xisp, what make you so knowledgeable?
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Clearly between those shows a lot of progress has been made on the OS 4 modules that were shown in Italy.
These may well be the same modules but certainly not the same development status or functionality.
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@Hyperion MP
same modules but certainly not the same development status
Ow. My mistake. Didn't check my facts.
@Bodie.
I only was summarizing what others have said,
I try to apply common sense to verify their
level of truth. (It is hard!) My intention is not to be
confused by either side, and provide clarification
so flame wars can't even start. An honest
(somwhat frustrating) attempt to bring harmony
over here.
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@xisp
Sorry, I misread you post :-) .
Cheers
:pint:
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That's the oldest trick in the book of journalism ... use a slightly misleading headline to catch the reader's eye, then tell the real story in the article ...
There were actually two machines, "an Amiga One XE G3 800Mhz with Debian Linux PPC and an Amiga 4000 with Os 4.0 beta".
Anyways ... this is still good news after all ... :-D
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redfox
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@HyperionMP and Rogue
Thanks for your down to earth replies ... :-D :-D
I am sure Amiga OS 4 will be a fine product when it is released.
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redfox
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ve just come back from Webb.it (Padova - Italy), and
with my new AmigaOne XE G4
Virtual Works and Soft3 (the Italian distributors) are
demoing an AmigaOne (G3) with Debian Linux as usual.
They are also demoing an Amiga4000 with Powerup
running some modules of OS4. The exibithors told me
that they could have had more to show on the OS4
field, but in agreement with Hyperion they decided
not to show it as it's still "unstable" and they know what
kind of reaction could generate from the usual "detractors"...
So apparently there is nothing new on the OS4 showed
at Webbit... but looking with attentions there are
some really interesting advancements... just to make
an example I could see that the USB support is done
and working, also on the A4000: the A4000 had 2
keyboards and 2 mouse connected, the regualar
Amiga keyboard and mouse, and an USB keyboard and
mouse, and you could use them simultaneously, i.e.
type at the same time on both keyboards and use
both mouses.
Other things that are shown for the first time (I guess)
- the Internet connection wizard (meaning that roadshow
the tcp stack is also working);
- the amigaInput api configuration tool
- the new font utility
- the media toolbox to configurate hard disk, storage
media and so on (also on this topic they told me that
the Mount Rainier support for cd-rw is already working,
but they could not demostrate it there as the A4000
doesn't have a cd-burner)
- also interesting the AmiDock has a dockie that
shows an animation running "iconified" on the dock...
am not sure if it's sort of movie player that can play
avi or mpg also when iconified on the dock... still
interesting to see.
There were some other little thing that cannot remember
now, anyway the advancement on OS4 were noticeable
even if not obvious at first sight (and no big change on
the graphic interface design, it still looks like OS3.9).
I took some pics with my digital cam, but cannot
download them to this pc, as I don't have the cable
here... will try to put them online somewhere tomorrow.
As for the AmigaOne: finally got it in my hands, but will not
be able to work on it for 2-3 days as I hoped to buy
all the components (hd, ram cabinet and so on) together
with the main board, but unfortunately they didn't have
what I needed there, and also they forgot to take to
Padova the install and Debian linux cdroms... Enrico Vidale
of Virtual Works will send me everything as soon as
he's back to his store (Monday).
That's all for now, I'll get the pics ready for tomorrow
(probably will be on the QuantumLeap site)
Bye
Francesco
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Does anybody actually have dates for the release of AmigaOne G4 and OS4?
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but in agreement with Hyperion they decided
not to show it as it's still "unstable" and they know what
kind of reaction could generate from the usual "detractors"...
Since last november we live in a state of "imminent OS4 release". I for one am pretty tired of that they blame the opposition on every opportunity. If someone is to blame then it's themselves. It's May, and they still can't show ANYTHING running on PPC? Guess it's all because the Genesi conspiracy...
The damn trolls most probably stole all PPC cards and AmigaONEs they had.
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To be a bit more balanced, I know that OS4 is progressing, and a demoable PPC version is on the corner (I have my sources.) What is tiring, that everyone telling something close to the actual truth, and not telling that "OS4 will be released tomorrow, it's as sure as I stand" is immediately called a FUD-der, and declared as someone "who has no insider knowledge".
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Great rew, Francesco !
:-)