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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: jahc on May 02, 2003, 10:53:31 AM
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From the viewpoint of a game programmer there is one area of the AmigaOS API, which has been behind the development of other operating systems since quite a while. I am talking about the area of the Input/Gaming APIs.
AmigaInput Article (http://os.amiga.com/cam/index.php?i=3&p=6).
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Interesting! Great! :idea:
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I think this is one of the areas where the experience of Hyperion with game porting comes in handy!
They have had quite a lot todo with DirectX, DirectInput and the Mac version so they have gotten quite a good idea on how it should be done.
This once again reaffirms my thoughts that Hyperion with the 30 programmers is the right choice for working on OS 4.
There isn't a better team to do it. 8-)
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Great, should speed up gamecoding..
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Looking good.
Did anybody else note the screenshots are interesting not only for their amigainput content, but also for the GUI skin being used?
I wonder if this is the direction they are taking with the default AmigaOS4 skin/theme.
Note the Apple-alike brushed metal background and XP-alike bright blue title bar/window borders.
IMO Its not nearly as nice as the paperblue theme posted here a while back, but its interesting nonetheless.
For compariton, the Paperblue screenshot here (http://mods.firstones.com/homeworld/cnlpepper/amiga/Wbenchgrab.jpg) and the birdie/vprefs theme is on aminet here (http://ftp.uni-bremen.de/aminet/dirs/pix_wb.html).
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Indeed, AmigaOS needs a new API for input, however, before speaking about any "new" API, or new feature, I would like to see AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne ...
And, it will not happen so ...
Better choice in Pegasos/MorphOS
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before speaking about any "new" API, or new feature, I would like to see AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne ...
Why can't they publicise upcoming features of OS4 before its out? Nothing wrong with that if you ask me. Or should film trailers be banned?!
And, it will not happen so ...
:lol: what on earth makes you think OS4 won't appear on the AmigaONE? Please tell me exactly where you got this inside information that OS4 won't be released for a platform being sold specifically for it?!
Better choice in Pegasos/MorphOS
How can you possibly know that until you've tried both? Moreover, what on earth does your opinion of the relative merits of MorphOS and its competitors got to do with this news item? :-?
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what on earth makes you think OS4 won't appear on the AmigaONE? Please tell me exactly where you got this inside information that OS4 won't be released for a platform being sold specifically for it?!
He's just one of those people who likes to continue the crap of the last few days and tries to redirect the attention to Pegasos/MorphOS.
Hyperion is doing a fantastic job.
When we can start programming for OS 4, I really think we need a site like [color=FF0000]CodeProject[/color] (http://www.codeproject.com/).
It's great. The site is sponsored my M$ and there are tutorials on every kind of difficult( or difficult for the beginner) subjects to help coding for Windows!
Tutorials by everyone who wants to and get rated by the public.
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Sounds great to me! Can't wait to see it finished!
- Mike
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>Did anybody else note the screenshots are
>interesting not only for their amigainput
>content, but also for the GUI skin being used?
:-) When Steffen needed the snapshots for the article, he asked if I could do it since I was using some of the "skinning" features of the new Intuition library. He figured that it would be more interesting that way.
>I wonder if this is the direction they are
>taking with the default AmigaOS4 skin/theme.
No, this isn't the default theme for OS4. I just like the brushed metal look. So I spent a few minutes with ImageFX and changed my GUI. :-)
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And, it will not happen so ...
You might not want it to happen, but it will.
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This plus xml config files and whatever else they are working on... It's gonna be a joy to program for this OS :-)
I just hope it comes with some cool dev tools and documents.
Also, PulsatingQuasar's CodeProject idea is a good'n. Maybe amigadev.net will be upgraded to cater for os4 software developers with some nice modern features.
If I choose to get an A1 when os4 comes out it will be because of things like this.
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Save something for 4.2 guys. :)
If you make 4.0 perfect you'll be out of work. ;)
Ivan
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Poster: Rogue Date: 2003/5/2 21:59:34
You might not want it to happen, but it will.
yeah, give em hell!
my trust is with you guys and not with the 2 headed fud spreading hydra...
DOH! :-D
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@ zudobug
Oh, man, and there was me wondering why the red-white square was falling down... nice Avatar ;-)
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I think it's hilarious that they write these articles, actually. Look at the great new features in our great new OS!
Especially when all they write about is the great new functionality for developers. If it ever appears maybe games developers will be able to look at it sitting dormant while a developer kit appears sometime after.
Maybe sometime after a game will appear that uses it. Hyperion will release one maybe.. or maybe they won't, as is the case with many of their "announced" great products :)
As for "better on MorphOS/Pegasos", I wouldn't go that far. Why would anyone affiliated with the aforementioned products want to go anywhere near Steffen Hauesser's screwed up fantasy APIs?
If Genesi decides they need a better input API, they'll make one. We have people on board who are dedicated to this kind of technology (Chris Hodges etc.) and know their way around the input foibles of the OS and so on.
Note that if it appears, it might be useful, but how many new things will use it? Even Chris might end up working on the greatest input API ever created, but who would use it? :)
There are much better things coming for MorphOS than "joystick enablers", rest assured, and we don't need to run around stirring up excitement with such an article. You'll all get suitably excited the day it happens, no run-up or fluffing required.
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couldnt resist Neko?
an article about os components is better than non planned/existing components..
such articles should happen for mos stuff as well, i like reading such stuff.. its better than nothing at all!
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Resist what?
Articles about stuff that doesn't exist just breed two things.
They are excitement and resentment.
The excitement is unwarranted in this case - it's only a joystick API. Given the track record of Steffen Hauesser, also, his past set of APIs released for the Amiga were poor at best. His "RTGMaster" API was the pinnacle of redundancy, since it basically "gave a single common API between Picasso96 and CGX" - when they already had it, they both supported the cybergraphics.library interface anyway - the defacto standard on the Amiga.
(guarantee that whatever API AmigaOS 4.x uses for RTG, they have a cybergraphics.library emulation for it..)
You can bet there are some games developers out there who will resent the fact that they are "teased" with these features but will not be able to use them until WELL after OS 4.x release. But Hyperion have a head start with these features. This is what people perceive as unfair competition..
Whatever the case, neither situation is what I would consider "wanted". You either get rabid fanboys jumping up and down or you lose the most respected of your developers, or both. Which means all you have left is rabid fanboys and people willing to talk against you. That's the start of a fight!
Okay, I guess at the end of the day rabid fanboys are an easy userbase to sell to, guaranteed 100% sold out if you know how many there are :D
As for "there should be some for MOS", I could write articles about them, but I know for a fact they'd end up as "features" in OS4 before the day was out. I'm not giving away stuff that easily. Also whatever happens they aren't finished yet, even in design sometimes, so why even tell you? Just so you can get excited?
Why are you so eager to be excited? :)
I think Hyperion should spend some time actually finishing the operating system, rather than writing useless articles about it.
One thing we can say about MorphOS, for all it's failings and slightly raw quality, it's out there and we had 6 releases of it so far since the very first. It's running on some very nice PPC hardware too.
Does AmigaOS 4.x have this to any degree? No, and I think this is why I feel this way. You can write articles all you like, you can excite or piss off your Community a lot in that time between, but if you don't show them the goods and give them a money shot, they will never be truly pleased.
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Here's a dumb question, but are we allowed to link to this page? I am pretty sure I normally have to log in to read the CAM. All part of being a club member (and I already know someone is going to say "this info should be freely available ;-) ).
BW,
William
www.nextgen-developments.info
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@Will
Go ahead. You may link to any of our pages you want as long as you don't re-publish the content. Those who don't have access will get an error page stating that they, as non-members, cannot view the article(s). There are some articles released to the community/general public, available on the right-hand side of this (http://os.amiga.com/cam/) page.