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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Retail News / Sales => Topic started by: SlimJim on April 11, 2003, 12:16:21 AM
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GGS-data (http://www.ggsdata.se/csppcrep.html)
For you who can't read Swedish, the release of AOS4 for CSPPC is drawing closer. Hyperion have found a reliable repair shop repariting broken Cyberstorms for them. Hyperion is making an offer to relay the broken boards of GGS's (and other scandinavian resellers') customers to this repair shop. This relay-offer will rotate between the
various Amiga dealers of the world so as not to swamp the repair shop. First off are the Scandinavian resellers.
GGS is now asking people to send in their broken CSPPC:s
to them for batch-sending to Hyperion. The price is 1250
SEK (135 euro). If the card cannot be repaired within 3
months, it will be returned by Hyperion at no cost.
If you are an interested Scandinavian (or just really, really
impatient), contact GGS data at
GGS contact form (http://www.ggsdata.se/kontakt.html)
(Other Scandinavian resellers should have got the same offer)
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SlimJim
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batch sending?
So are all the cards shipping in individual boxes with numbers so that the customers get their card back and not someone elses or just all thrown into a big box and *guess whose CSPPC card this belonged to!!!* :-D
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I don't get it. I mean its nice of them and everything, but wouldn't a new board be more reliable than repairing one that broke once already?
I mean why the attention to repairing these old system...usually an OS release drives an upgrade cycle....
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Poster: MarkTime Date: 2003/4/11 3:14:45
I don't get it. I mean its nice of them and everything, but wouldn't a new board be more reliable than repairing one that broke once already?
Just like most things, new would be more reliable
but who's going to pay the cost of it.
ppl have cars,tv's,video,washingmachines,hifi's,houses ect...repaired.You dont get the ppl who are fixing these things saying here have a new one.
If ppl want new they can buy new.
some ppl have cards where only the 68kside of it is working,they woulld still like to run aos4 as soon as possible but cant afford Aone anytime soon.
I mean why the attention to repairing these old system...usually an OS release drives an upgrade cycle....
Only if the OS was not made for the hardware that ppl already have.
A version of Aos4 has been made for such cards.
some ppl have cards where only the 68kside of it is working,they woulld still like to run aos4 as soon as possible but cant afford Aone anytime soon.
Some ppl want to run Aos4 on Aone&the classic that they have.
This offer is simple for thoes who want their ppc cards fixed we will do it cheaper for you.
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Hi,
Other people may be interested. The people that have a broken CSPPC card may repair it and then sell it, so that they can get money to buy an A1....
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Interesting.
But do the offer also go for BPPC's, i have two af them laying around with "no post" syndrom.
Or does OS4 not run on the BPPC cards? That would cut off a fairly large chunk of the user base for OS4.
I have tried to contact DCS but never got a answer, so i don't intend to send it to them :-)
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@LaBodilson:
But do the offer also go for BPPC's
Not at this time, no.
Or does OS4 not run on the BPPC cards?
Not yet. Perhaps not ever. As I understand it, there have been problems obtaining documentation for these cards, making it difficult to port the OS to them.
That would cut off a fairly large chunk of the user base for OS4.
I'm pretty sure that's what they were hoping. ;-)
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@ MarkTime
I mean why the attention to repairing these old system...usually an OS release drives an upgrade cycle....
Perhaps some components in the OS still relies on some of the old custom chips? That would also explain why there is no A1 version since sometime later, wouldn't it?
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Hi SlimJim
Well, this was meant to be announced in Swedish, but thats no problem...
Please now remember, that this service will be done gradually, so the offer will go out in other parts of the world at a later stage.
@ Darth_X
Did you see the Canadian flag I did put for you ?
Now awaiting the hockeygame :-)
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Well, this was meant to be announced in Swedish,
but thats no problem...
Please now remember, that this service will be done
gradually, so the offer will go out in other parts of the
world at a later stage.
Which is why I linked to your original text and stated
repeatedly that only scandinavian resellers were currently
having the offer, with the rest of the world to follow :-).
At any rate, I wouldn't have reported this had you not also
written that you urged us to spread the word to people
that might be interested. Plenty of Scandinavians here,
and they don't all read Amigarulez.
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SlimJim
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Are you kidding me? This is a GR EAT news post! How many people need a Cyberstorm repair and are affraid to send it out, out of fear? Also 135Euro is very reasonable and with a garantee you cannot go wrong. I'd bet there are alot of happy CyberstormPPC owners out there reading this!
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I never really knew there were a lot of people with CSPPC problems. I thought the big bad wolf was the BPPC? I guess that's what I get for not paying attention :-)
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Thank You for your help SlimJim ! :-)
/Gunne
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@ redrumloa
I agree. This is a very nice deal. :-) But it's still going to be "only" a CSPPC when it returns. Perhaps if they could tune it up, boost it with some nitro or something, when they are at it? Just kidding. ;-)
BTW (OT), about your nick, are you a Red Rum Lover or is it about some kind of an AOL Murder? ;-)
@ Olegil
All the CSPPC's are quite old by now. Old things brake!
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no no...I hope no one misunderstood me...
I agree, its a nice offer, if I had a broken Cyberstorm PPC, I would certainly repair it, rather than throw it away, and its hard to find a repair shop. This is a good service.
Of course, it also goes without saying, I would not repair it based on the idea that OS 4 is going to be released 'real soon now.'
As with all announcements, this is an advertisement, for a service that gives those involved a profit. It is not a non profit goodwill service, and it is not proof that OS 4 is going to be released 'real soon now'
OS 4 will be released when it is released.
That's a standard disclaimer, nothing wrong with getting a Cyberstorm fixed, but I would only fix it so it could run what it is known to run, not based on speculation about OS 4.
I don't have an OS 4 machine at all right now, but under the right circumstances, maybe I'd buy one of those fixed cyberstorms...who knows.
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As with all announcements, this is an advertisement, for a service that gives those involved a profit. It is not a non profit goodwill service
Profits is what makes the wheels go around, bro! :-)
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We are not making any profits from the repairs.
NONE.
The idea behind is to boost sales of OS 4 when available and generally expand the userbase of OS 4
Any profits would be very indirect..
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I think it's a very good idea. Phase5 were always very good products but the support is crap all the way.
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Poster: HyperionMP Date: 2003/4/11 10:10:47
We are not making any profits from the repairs.
NONE.
The idea behind is to boost sales of OS 4 when available and generally expand the userbase of OS 4
Any profits would be very indirect..
Ben, atleast in this post your not making it sound like Hyperion is going to be paying for the repairs, unlike your reply on ANN.
So how many fixiable PUPs are you expecting to ship off?
Dammy
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or is it about some kind of an AOL Murder?
Ding ding ding!!! Give that man a cigar ;-)
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for a moment, when i saw the name Hyperion popping up in the news, i thought it would be something to do with the release of OS4 (something like OS4 has gone gold or a released date is set for OS4 or something).
That would have been great... It has occured to me that we have waited a very long time for something new in amigaland. Now it seems almost impossible. Will it ever happen. Will OS4 be released before the end of the year? I have surfed the past year or so to amiga websites just to not miss the big day. But now i'm wondering if that big day will ever come.
when it's done...
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Poster: z5 Date: 2003/4/11 16:39:38
for a moment, when i saw the name Hyperion popping up in the news, i thought it would be something to do with the release of OS4 (something like OS4 has gone gold or a released date is set for OS4 or something).
That would have been great... It has occured to me that we have waited a very long time for something new in amigaland. Now it seems almost impossible. Will it ever happen. Will OS4 be released before the end of the year? I have surfed the past year or so to amiga websites just to not miss the big day. But now i'm wondering if that big day will ever come.
when it's done...
How long did it take for MOS to become to a usable state to where it could be released to the public when you buy a pegasos.
MOS has taken many years.
But ppl did not go around saying that it may not come out & some ppl are still calling it beta.
Hyperion hope to have the first release of Aos4 in a more finished state than the first release of MOS.
Maybe if MOS was not there to keep then on there toes then they may of released a mega buggy beta as ppl would just have to lump it as there was no alternative.
But i would not take the risk seeing as how some have attacked the beta screen shots of Aos4.
Just like i beleave if the pegasos was not around then eyetech would not be offering the Aone-XE at this time.
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@alkemyst:
Where did i mention MOS? Are you paranoid or something? One can't say anything anymore without MOS being mentioned...
In other words, what are you rambling about?
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Great News Hyperion!
Good job. There ARE lots of broken Cyberstorms out there - especially DCE models. I bought one brand new from Compuquick Media for just under $900 shipped and it died on me less than 1 year later! Right before a crucial editing job I had on my 4000T :-x
I ended up selling it on the second hand market and bought Kermit (Nova Design) developer Phase5 board - been working ever since - Thank you God! :-D
I can wait for OS4 -
I'm a little dissapointed you guys at Hyperion didnt reply to my post about approximate dates of showing OS4 or posting screenshots... I defend you guys all the time in the MOS community and others. I understand you not wanting to post to be held to the dates, but you can post some kind of response. :-)
Thanks and I look forward to runnning this great OS.
Oh, and people STOP BASHING MOS and/or AOS its killing us
realize
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@alkemyst:
Where did i mention MOS? Are you paranoid or something? One can't say anything anymore without MOS being mentioned...
In other words, what are you rambling about?
No you didnt mention MOS i did as comparison to how long an OS can to come out from such a small development team.
maybe you should take more time to undertsand what i said before hiting reply.
i suspect the minute i mentioned MOS you went into defence mode.
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i suspect the minute i mentioned MOS you went into defence mode.
Why should i? You completely misunderstood the first post i made anyway.
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Poster: z5 Date: 2003/4/11 18:26:27
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i suspect the minute i mentioned MOS you went into defence mode.
Why should i? You completely misunderstood the first post i made anyway.
Why should you what?
why should you take time to read my post cos i didnt understand yours.
If you didnt read my post through how would you know if i understood.
Well i took your first post as saying hyperion are takeing to long & that Aos4 may never come out.
You should not expect everyone to understand your post at every turn. but nore do i but your reply was hostile something that you do way to offten.
Its not good trying to get someone to undertstand you by calling them Paranoid & expect saying that would make understanding you any more clear.
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Sorry, didn't see that post of yours.
We tend to be careful with release dates.
Having said that, we do hope to come out with new screenshots soon.
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we do hope to come out with new screenshots soon.
Please hurry! It's getting way to booring around here lately! :-D
Loki :-P
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Folks,
I'm sorry if I seem frustrated, especially so if you read my dramatic wording in other boards from time to time.
But the fact is, I am tired of prepayment plans that are a result of 'we are about to deliver something, can't say when, won't be obligated to anything'
That sets off alarm bells with me, and I won't apologize for it, seen to many people get ripped off...buying club memberships, coupons, developer packs, you name it...beleiving they were supporting the launch of a product 'real soon now'
Real soon now doesn't mean anything to me. I think its great about expanding the base of OS 4 by repairing Cyberstorms, as opposed to selling AmigaONE.
Oh my understanding was that Amiga, Inc. said they really don't make a lot on sales of OS 4, they need hardware sales of AmigaOne's...so this smacks of really sticking it to them....
but you know what else, I don't care for such speculation...its fun for a little post...but I truly believe that fixing Cyberstorm's is a nice idea, which is why I have said that...exactly that...3 times now.
But....I for one, recommend people wait for OS 4 to be released, since it is real soon now, waiting won't make a difference....right? Does that make sense?
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But....I for one, recommend people wait for OS 4 to be released, since it is real soon now, waiting won't make a difference....right? Does that make sense?
I don't quite get the reason to wait in this case. It's just a means for people to repair broken boards.
I don't see anywhere a mention saying that if you go through this service you have to prepurchase OS4, or give extra money to Hyperion. All I can see Hyperion doing here is finding and coordinating this repair service.
Unless otherwise told, this repair service is available to any with a faulty CSPPC regardless if they want to run OS4 on it or not.
I for one applaud the effort.
Now, if this was an offer to purchase some expensive add-on hardware whose sole purpose was to run OS4, then I would see the logic in waiting for the OS to be released.
(A person that's waiting for his Pegasos, and considering an AOne w/OS4 in the future.)
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Marktime:
there is NO prepayment : you only pay if you board gets repaired ! (did I understand correctly ?)
So it's a very nice move for Hyperion I think.
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@MarkTime
You usually produce reasoned posts, so I can't figure out
what your angle is this time. I simply can't see why you
can compare this to a pre-payment scheme in any way, or
why any "alarm bells" should go off in your head. (:-?)
...But you at least seem to agree that repars of
Cyberstorms is a good idea, so let's leave it at that. (And I
am in a terrible mood tonight, so better not write too
much).
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SlimJim
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well I plan to respond to some other comments...but I'll leave yours at that.
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@mahen
if you are right, then there is no prepayment. I read it to mean, that your money would be refunded if they couldn't repair it, but the cost is 135.
Now, I don't read scandinavian, but reading the english that the way I read it, except it doesn't clarify.
If you don't pay for the repairs until after it is successfully repaired then that only leaves one other questionable thing...which I will address in another response.
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Unless otherwise told, this repair service is available to any with a faulty CSPPC regardless if they want to run OS4 on it or not.
OK, this is the last I think that can be said on the subject. Yes, if someone runs it to run OS 3.9, obviously, the release of OS 4 is not important.
But as it states in the article, OS4 for Cyberstorm is prominently mentioned.
People bought the DE cause amiga was about to be relaunched, the party pack, the t-shirt offer, coupons, etc....always we make purchasing decisions cause OS 4 or AmigaONE or the Amiga platform in general is about to be relaunched.
If someone buys a t-shirt, a game, a developer something....all on their own merits...no problem.
But selling something a service, for money, in using the reasoning OS4 is drawing nigh....well been there, done that, not listening...sticking my ears in my head and going nah nah nah.
Thats my point...thats it. Not sending anyone money, not doing anything, not considering for a moment that OS 4 is going to be released.
Ben Hermans: will it be released this year?
I wasn't going to ask, was going to respect
your wish not to answer. But so many Amiga
advocates keep wanting us to make decisions
...purchasing decisions, repair decisions, what
have you based on the soon release of OS 4
but we don't even know if it will be this year.
OK, I have a b-day party to go to, so I can guarantee
I'm done for today...see ya'll....peace
btw, I do agree that no scam in the world would ever be targeted at the limited group of users who have cyberstorms in need of repair...don't believe its a scam at all...just that consumers should make decisions based on accurate and complete information.
sorry for the ephedrine rant...lol :0)
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@ HyperionMP
We are not making any profits from the repairs.
I am actually a little surprized by that statement. Sure, charity is nice. But the way I see it you would have got just about the same amount of good will points even if you charged a little extra for that service. Please don't read this is as a complaint, I think this a great idea. But making money is not ugly. Rather the opposite, it's a security for future evolution. And this is gives a value worth paying for!
This is obviously an overlooked need on the market and I am a little surprised that noone has thought about this before (including myself :-P). Going through established resellers brings a great deal of trust to the whole thing. If I had a CSPPC I would *not* have sent it to amiga.fr (or whatever), but I would have no problem sending it to GGS Data! :-)
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The idea behind is to boost sales of OS 4 when available and generally expand the userbase of OS 4
I don't own a CyberStorm or BlizzardPPC, but it's a nice offer, thanks for making it.
I hope you sell a lot of copies of OS4.
Zoltan
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@takemehomegrandma
his is obviously an overlooked need on the market and I am a little surprised that noone has thought about this before (including myself ).
I agree, at this point an AmigaOne board still sells for a lot (relatively), it's a good offer for people who might not be able to afford to put a lot of money into the their Amiga hobby at the moment, but still have an old CSPPC around.
Zoltan
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sorry for the ephedrine rant...lol :0)
No problem, don't worry too much, we've been waiting for OS4 too long.
OK, this is the last I think that can be said on the subject. Yes, if someone runs it to run OS 3.9, obviously, the release of OS 4 is not important.
Maybe you've been listening to Fleecy too much, but it's not just OS3.9 on PPC. They have/are fixing up a bunch of things, remember H&P was mostly doing patch-ups. This time they're doing (starting anyways) some real renovations.
Sorry, didn't mean to bust your buzz, just keep thinking evil thoughts about Amiga, it will all go away...
Zoltan
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@ zee4
This is obviously an overlooked need on the market and I am a little surprised that noone has thought about this before (including myself ).
I agree, at this point an AmigaOne board still sells for a lot (relatively), it's a good offer for people who might not be able to afford to put a lot of money into the their Amiga hobby at the moment, but still have an old CSPPC around.
In the matter of fact, this might benefit MorphOS CSPPC users aswell. AFAIK there are no obligations to buy OS4 to take part of this deal. The goodwill points will go to Hyperion though!
Edit:
And it's not exactly free of charge, €135 might still be a lot of money to some people you know. But nevertheless, I think the value of this deal will be worth it for many people.
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@marktime
>Now, I don't read scandinavian, but reading the english that the way I read it, except it doesn't clarify.
Next time you go and get your car/tv/whatever repaired, think about what you'll be told. I bet you'll be told 'The repair is going to cost you xyz ' (Sound like 'The price is 1250
SEK (135 euro). ', right)
Now, do you usually pay that amount upfront or when you pick up your stuff?
And now, if they later on find out that they cannot repair it, they would probably charge you a small fee, or no fee at all. (hm starts to sound like 'If the card cannot be repaired within 3
months, it will be returned by Hyperion at no cost.')
Now, why do you have to keep going on with this crusade of yours? Every time someone posts something about AOS4 you _have_ to twist the facts and misinterpret them and drive an opinion?
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Nice idea
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or is it about some kind of an AOL Murder?
Ding ding ding!!! Give that man a cigar
The new release of The Shining, quoting Danny:
-Redrum... Redrum...! Redrum AOL!
Btw, I had this figured out long ago. :-D
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Thanks for your post Ben
You are a man of integrity. I appreicate your response. I'm excited to run OS4 on my 4000T. It will be released before the Aone version correct? How is your bugixing coming on the Custom chipset registers? Any other roadblocks on CYPPC?
TIA
realize
:-)
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> How is your bugixing coming on the Custom chipset registers?
I *think* it's gone... unfortunately, you can only proof the presence of bugs, not their absence... and this problem is extremely erratic (now you see me, now you don't).
But at least I can move the mouse now without freezing the machine, which is generally a good indication :-D
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@HyperionMP
Good idea ... :-D
Thanks,
redfox
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Teehee
the mouse pointer moving is a very good sign! Does this mean you have OS4 running on Cyberstorm? My PSU on my 4000T just blew up.. Luckily my P5 CYBPPC is OK :-D
Arent one of you guys running an Atech 4000T? Can I use a PC AT PSU to replace the one that came stock?
tia
realize
Ps Keep up the good work! I'm getting amped.. :-o
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> the mouse pointer moving is a very good sign!
Indeed :-)
> Arent one of you guys running an Atech 4000T?
No, I don't think so. At least my A4000 is a Commodore machine... built 1992... Hey, it's over ten years old ;-)
> Can I use a PC AT PSU to replace the one that came stock
Yes. I have an Elbox tower, and the PSU blew some time ago, so I replaced it with a standard AT PSU (NOT ATX). The only problem is that you need to unsolder the PSU's connector and replace it with the one from the original PSU...
Plus, the PSU in the desktop case is very small, you'll probably have a hard time finding one that fits...
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Sorry to revive this old thread but I am curious...
1) Did Hyperion repair any PPC boards?
2) If so, did they do it themselves or did somebody else repair them? (Did DCE have anything to do with this)