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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: System on April 08, 2003, 01:24:11 PM
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Genesi Sarl will offer up to 20 more Pegasos I machines with the April2 patch to Phoenix members for $299 through the Pegasos-USA website.
This offer includes:
-- the Pegasos mainboard and G3 600MHZ CPU module
-- an ATX backplate
-- MorphOS 1.3 CD
-- MorphOS Games: Birdie Shoot, Feeble Files, Tales of Tamar, Software Tycoon
-- ProStationAudio Titanium
-- DebianPPC for Pegasos with Mac-on-Linux
-- a MorphOS "We have a Present for You" t-shirt
-- two stickers for your case
-- A4 connector guide
Other Extras and updates will be distributed through the new Pegasos User FTP. You will also to be subscribed to the very useful, supportive, and positive Pegasos User Mailing List.
These are ALL new boards. Recycled Betatester boards are being used internally in Genesi ONLY. If you are unable to use the Pegasos-USA website, please contact Thierry at tvelasco@genesi.lu to coordinate a direct wire transfer to Genesi.
Sincerely,
Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
Genesi
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:)
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I didn't get any stickers! ;-D
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A whole 20 wow. :-D
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You do wonder where the money is coming from to finance all this.
I would be wary of deals that sound too good to be true.
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Rose, please mind your own business. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. As before, you suggest bad things, but never have the ability or the facts to back up your suggestions. Further, last time we checked Amont Informatique was not distributing the Pegasos. We have avoided threads about your hardware, please avoid ours.
Thanks,
Raquel and Bill
P.S. Yes amigamad, 20 (more)...that puts over 600 Pegasos machines out there. With the Marvell northbridge there will be MANY more. Further, the first 5000 STBs will be delivered this year. These users will help us get MorphOS ready for "prime time." :-)
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@anarchic_teapot
To the best of my knowledge, Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco own several companies in France and abroad. Said companies made several million dollars last year according to financial reports.
What's so difficult to understand here about their starting a new venture? Oh, wait. Your comments are intended to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Erm.. FUD for short. Got it.
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Nothing wrong with 20 more boards in addition to the hundreds that have already shipped, nothing wrong with making more and more included software available for all those who have gotten boards previously (more to come!), nothing wrong with throwing in more T-shirts and stickers. It's good to see people getting happy about developing, starting user groups, coding demos...
And nothing wrong with properly funded ventures.
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
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Sounds great to me... I now think pegasos has a greater chance of success than the aone. :-)
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Hot damn that's a good deal! :-o
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About time, people have waited and waited and now they are getting their goods and the included stuff was a good move to compensate for the large delays (lets see if Eyetech does the same move).
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20 more means that I'll get the board.
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Great news, anyway...
If we (the Amiga community) start to be happy of the good things that hit any of the two amiga heritage ways, we can help the whole platform to grow...
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Exactly. All I see is bitching, bitching, bitching and,
HEY, even more bitching, when something is released.
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Hey Paul,
I don't know that the brunt of the extras included (and some more yet to come) was all just to make up for delays. Though the T-shirts were. Everybody involved just wants to make it a great package.
Fortunately the days of Mai's moving delivery sched delays are probably behind us and we can face new delay challenges ; }
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
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@greenboy
Its good news people are getting goodies thrown in and its great to see people are getting their products.
Enjoy your products guys ;-)
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Good to see that there are machines out there but i would not want a work in progress operating system i would prefer to use linux on it and get a complete os that works and is stable. when it is released in the same way that os4 will be , when it is complete, i dont want to be pay my money and be some sort of beta tester. Getting goodies thrown in just proves theres something not quite right .
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@amigamad,
Certainly a valid choice, but you can also run Linux on the Pegasos if you choose to do so.
I personally have ZERO use for Linux, but wouldn't mind helping to beta test AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS either one. I am always good at finding bugs with things that others don't.
It's not as though I'd be able to do much else with either until software starts becoming available. Well, software aside from the several games and packages that come with the Pegasos that is.
Much the same as it was when the first Amiga 1000's were released, you should remember, AmigaOS 1.0 and 1.1 were effectively betas as well.
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@amigamad
You may be waiting a very long time. As far as anyone knows based on public information, OS4 still is nowhere near booting on the AmigaOne. It is now April 2003, how long are you willing to wait?
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@amigamad
Please re-read the included list.
- DebianPPC
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Something not quite right because a company wants to provide good value and realizes it must, to have a growth future in a competitive marketplace? (Even for the geek niche this is surely true.)
No: things are as right as they can be, all things considered. Genesi wants to do well, and it is taking steps to make early adopters, geeks, developers happy, and to deal with setbacks constructively. And there is a certain generous spirit, I think, that informs this.
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
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MorphOS is stable and usuable. You aren't obliged to
be any kind of betatester when buying a Pegasos.
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I always like the clothing like t-shirts, sweaters, caps etc. Oh yeah and the coffee mugs. If Ron has all that I might pick some up in Juli when I am back in Holland/Rotterdam.
Coder
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Hi, just posted this on ANN (with a couple edits here):
We will have 600+ Pegasos I machines out there when this current production is fully distributed and all the exchanges have been made. In the meanwhile, MorphOS continues to be increasingly useful. It is stable now and it is hardly in "beta," as someone suggested. What we are doing with this offer is continuing to entice intelligent computer-literate people to use the machine and help us to make it better. That is the simple reason for the offer we have made. Plus, we are tuning the infrastructure to support REAL sales to a broad market through the Internet. We need REAL people to use the system to do that. This applies to MorphOS too.
Our focus for MorphOS today is to add functionality and improve the spectrum of applications that work well with the OS and the Pegasos platform. All this effort accumulates and sums to the introduction of the Pegasos II and the Pegasos STB. The Pegasos II will be a very functional, alternative PPC platform that will continue to be attractively priced. We believe it will draw widespread interest. It will work with more than MorphOS. So, even if the Pegasos was purchased to run a version of Linux, BeOS, BSD or whatever, it will also come with MorphOS and MorphOS WILL be driven into the market. Further, the STB will be a scaled down version of the Pegasos that will be well tuned to leverage small footprint of MorphOS.
The development platform for the Pegasos II and the Pegasos STB is the Pegasos I. For us this is a good basic plan and one that is being implemented today...now! Those that want to be involved can be, those that do not want to be involved do not have to be. Neither side needs to throw mud. We can coexist here and in other places. From the MorphOS and the Pegasos side we have called a truce to this fighting a couple of months ago. We are focused on the future. Please join us if you find the $299 "Phoenix" package a good offer...:-D
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill :-)
Genesi
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Some people are never happy... Some people are very jeoulous of us that we have a working product... I am an Amiga supporter - Hyperion/Ainc. I even know some of the people. They are good people. However, Ainc's latest business practices have been a little dodgy lately... There are alot of old Amiga stalwarts that are developing for MOS platform now. The race is on..
PS I didnt get the cool sticker either.. :(
realize
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No denying that is a very good deal. And another BBRV press release which doesn't FUD the upcoming Amiga products. If Genesi had done things like this from the beginning, Pegasos could have been a real option for me. For now, I still have too much bad-will towards them. But if they keep offering good deals and behaving decently and professionally, I might eventually gain some respect for them, and consider giving the new platform a shot.
Kay
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Please join us if you find the $299 "Phoenix" package a good offer...
Bill please clear this up for me. The $299 offer is only for these 20 boards? Or are you taking orders(preorders?) for another run? :-?
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Genesi made 400 boards.
300 for resellers -> Currently selling at about 500$
100 for user groups 300$ and Genesi employees 0$.
As a member of phoenix I got the 300$ deal :-)
The problem is that very quick the 299$ deal was gone :-o
As there was more demand from Phoenix members Genesi provided 20 more boards for Phoenix. This is what this announcement is about.
You have missed the deal once, don't miss it twice.
If you miss it you can still order from a reseller but without the 200$ Phoenix "free coupon".
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Rose, please mind your own business.
A most professional reply, full of stinging logic.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
Oh, I read Libération and Le canard enchaîné (UK equivalents: Guardian and Private Eye). I am aware of the prelimary enquiry currently under way into the doings of Pretory and Thendic.
Further, last time we checked Amont Informatique was not distributing the Pegasos
I like to be sure my suppliers are reliable. So far your antics have not reassured me, and your past record even less. I don't want to get caught like Carl Sassenrath or Almathera.
We have avoided threads about your hardware, please avoid ours.
Why? You're trying to sell to the same people, and you have spread FUD (that's the nice word) about the AmigaOne and the people that created it. But I wasn't referring to the hardware (still shooting at straw men I see), I was referring to the offer that sounds too good to be true.
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Can we get back on-topic here, without the implied accusations without base?
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What is "Phoenix"?
Am I to assume that this is a closed organization and that an outsider (like me) can't purchase a motherboard for the $299?
I never really looked at the Pegasos/MorphOS thing until this press release (everything on the message boards has been way too ugly for me to read).
Looking at the features list, I'm suddenly interested. I didn't really realize how far along the product was.
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"A whole 20 wow."
Plus the 600 already sold, WOW! I just do not get it. 600+ plus boards, like that is really something? Whoa, one day there maybe 10,000, look out MS.
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What is "Phoenix"?
See phinixi.com (http://phinixi.com). It's a "developers organization" for what you might call "post-Amiga" computer projects. The definition of developer is very broad, though, and includes roles like journalists, resellers, betatesters, translators and so on in addition to coders. So it isn't really all that exclusive. (There are working groups within Phoenix that are more closed, though.)
-- gary_c
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For Rose and others from a post a couple of months ago here on amiga.org...
...Within a true "Community" of people of course there are differences. There *can* be different hardware, there can be different operating systems, and there should be different opinions about many things. Let us not forget we are human, computers are not. If we can share our differences intelligently with mutual respect for the dignity of others all these sites will improve in their usefulness.
We think there is far to much unnecessary "flaming" on all the sites. We have been a part of it. We reacted in kind. We have never been intimidated by any of it and we simply will not allow FUD to remain unanswered. What will stand in truth and fact in the future will be the action and the results developed by all involved. If your looking for "measure" we are ready for judgment. We can talk about it and genuinely seek to be the best we can at all we do. If your looking for a fight and you are bent on insults and personal attacks, take it somewhere else.
The "thread wars" are over. We need to work. Our future is on the road ahead. We can see where we are going and know how to get there.
Lastly Rose, have you noticed there is a Rebol mailing list on Phoenix and that we have an initiative with Rebol. Ask yourself why? Also, Jolyon Ralph formerly of Almathera is on the Executive Committee of the Phoenix GameTeam working on the Phoenix Pegasos STB initiative. Here is a statement from Jolyon that appeared on the mailing list in February:
"Oh, and a quick word about the rumours about Almathera/Viscorp - a lot of things were said about the demise of Almathera and VisCorp's part in it, some attributed to me, which were simply not true. If they were true I wouldn't be so happy to be working with Bill again, and I'm certainly happy to!"
OK, back to work.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
Genesi
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It is now April 2003, how long are you willing to wait?
Well as long as it takes.
I had no serious interest in MOS when it was announced way back when, and I still have no serious interest in MOS.
A personal choice.
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Hey Raquel and Bill
How would you fancy donating one of those lovely Peg boards to the AROS team?
"I'll get me coat..." :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Hi Matt, OK.
We made the offer last year already to Georg Steger. We are happy to support AROS. Who should get it?
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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Oh really? did Georg turn it down? I guess he was very busy with the MOS back ports.
I think the best person to talk to would be Michal Schulz as he has just got himself a PPC PReP machine, so I guess he has the most PPC knowledge out of all of us.
Johan Grip and Sebastian Heutling are both avid hardware hackers, so they might be able to do a port.
Ola Jensen has actually bought a Peg board already, but he is a non coding member, and I'm sure he's having far too much fun with MOS to want to give it away :-)
I suggest you visit the AROS Forums and disscuss it there.
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Oh and if there are any going spare, I'm sure I could put it to good use :-D
Though, what I know about the PPC architecture is only slighly less than the x86... don't ask , I miss the 68k :-P
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Matt, just have the AROS team representative contact us at bbrv@genesi.lu.
R&B :-)
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"Lastly Rose, have you noticed there is a Rebol mailing list on Phoenix and that we have an initiative with Rebol."
Hey ! that's really great ! :-)
With the powerful Rebol * in PPC native * on Pegasos/MorphOS, we will really get one of the most powerful and modern language we can hope.
For the moment, Amiga 68k Rebol ( http://www.rebol.com/view-platforms.shtml ) already runs with NO problem on Pegasos/MorphOS (by the A-Box). The PPC native version will fully give all the powerfull and speed.
Jedi, who is waiting for the native PPC Rebol on Pegasos/MorphOS ;-)
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@bbrv
Good move.
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so this proves that AmigaInc will only take the shirt off your back while Genesi will give you one to cover your back :-P
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so this proves that AmigaInc will only take the shirt off your back while Genesi will give you one to cover your back
Well, I'll say that Genesi certainly know how to make friends.
Many Thanks Genesi, We are now deciding who will do the AROS port.
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:-D
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@red:
You may be waiting a very long time. As far as anyone knows based on public information, OS4 still is nowhere near booting on the AmigaOne. It is now April 2003, how long are you willing to wait?
Until the end of time. :-)
Actually, I'm not kidding. As long as nothing bad happens financially, I've decided I can afford it.
The latest change is that, at *that* price *and* with PSA included, I want a peg too!
I'm converted! (well, except that I still want an A1) :-D
Gimme both ya buggers! :pint:
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@Kay:
No denying that is a very good deal.
Check.
And another BBRV press release which doesn't FUD the upcoming Amiga products.
They're learning aren't they? Nice to see.
If Genesi had done things like this from the beginning, Pegasos could have been a real option for me.
I felt like that too. My original decision was based on my only being able to afford one option. If that were still the case, I'd still go for the Amiga option. However, my circumstances have stabilised and I can now afford both.
Add to that the inclusion of ProStationAudio ( :-o drooooool :-o ) and I want one of these.
But if they keep offering good deals and behaving decently and professionally, I might eventually gain some respect for them, and consider giving the new platform a shot.
I'm already there.
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Hi Wilse, happy to have you on board ( :-o ) and hold absolutely no ill will toward you or anyone else who supports other alternatives at the same time.
Cheers!
Raquel and Bill :-)
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well although i have my a1 on order and am willing to wait.I might be interested in the pegasos but only when it has a final release of morph os not a work in progress effort im not against the pegasos, it would be good if pegasos could run os 4 and that might make it even more interesting i have money for a few more machines .Whats the url of the features of morph os .
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Hi amigamad...MorphOS will continue to be improved. It is a "living" OS. You will have access to all updates as a Pegasos I owner...;-)
Try it; you'll like it!
...then change your name -- amigaglad!
:-D
Raquel and Bill
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@bbrv:
Hi Wilse, happy to have you on board
Who'd have thought it, eh? :pint:
and hold absolutely no ill will toward you or anyone else who supports other alternatives at the same time.
Glad to hear it. :-)
I just opened my account so you'll hopefully be hearing a bit more from me soon. ;-)
Cheers,
Robert
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You may be waiting a very long time. As far as anyone knows based on public information, OS4 still is nowhere near booting on the AmigaOne. It is now April 2003, how long are you willing to wait?
Its running on beta testers AmigaOne machines. I've seen it. How do they stat it up then? I was thinking we are so close now.