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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: Wilse on April 02, 2003, 05:09:01 PM
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Club Amiga members can read the latest issue here. (http://os.amiga.com/cam/)
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Please feel free to let those who didn't send them money for the press releases exactly what "news" they have to discuss.
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Looking at that site, I can honestly say that I left feeling depressed. I have never before seen a more desperate, delusional company effort...
"Pay us $50 per year, and we'll tell you "what's going on" occassonally. Otherwise, we won't talk to anyone, or make monthly announcements to the community who actually supports us".
On the other hand, it's a great way to make sure the ONLY people left in the community are those who are willing to blindly contribute money to a questionable effort.
My guess is that the idea of Bill McEwen as a "marketing guy" is, like 99% of their press releases, greatly overstated.
Also, notice the first comment under the "buy the Amiga club membership" belongs to our favorite cheerleader, Luca Diana (head of their ACCM -- aka Blind, Blonde Cheerleader Squad). That pretty much says it all.
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Shouldn't the older CAM:s soon be released to the public? I
think there were supposed to be a two-month delay to
reward the people in the Club (No, I'm not privvy to the CAM
either).
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SlimJim
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Hi,
It seems you're a member if you pay that 50 Euro's/dollars
As I have paid it last year around June, I believe I'm also part of the club.
I mailed to that support-mail adress if they can clarify why I'm still no member.
Hopefully someone will answer :-)
Spidey
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I just skimmed it briefly... From what I can remember... Hmm....
-There's a page on their "featured" dealer of the week.
-There's a page on their "featured" developer of the week.
-Some babble about "Amiga Generation 1" or "AG1" is their new term for "Classic Amigas" I think... and "Generation 2" is their PPC based amigas. (I skimmed through it.) Something about how they were originally thinking that the DE would be their new AmigaOS and then dropped it after a year to concentrate on OS4. *cough* *cough* :-D
Probably the more important bit is the info on what's left to be done on OS4.0. What I remember:
-They're almost done with the input libraries ("soon to be signed off" was the term used). I'm not going to comment on the architecture at the moment. There's a picture of the prefs GUI and well, the window was rounded.
-PPC Boot is now UBoot (PPCBoot2.x)
-Working on defining the default OS4 look.
-Umm... There's some work still required to migrate from the CSPPC based systems (which still have custom chips) to a non-"Classic Amiga". Stuff like the Input Library/ies is part of it.
-Still working on the 68K emulator and tying it into the OS. (Part of their acid test will be to install and run OS3.9 AFAIK.)
-There are still lots of stuff from OS3.x to be ported.
on it.
I wonder why NEWS has to be posted on it since "club members" should have gotten notified by e-mail anyway. :-?
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Hi Wayne,
Please feel free to let those who didn't send them money for the press releases exactly what "news" they have to discuss.
I don't think many (if any) people sent them money for press releases. I certainly did not. I also think you are well aware of this. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Personally, I sent them $50 in the hope that it might help contribute to me getting a new Amiga. I was quite prepared to lose that money if it didn't work out - still am. Might well have been stupid in other people's eyes but if I'm at least getting to read something approaching an amiga magazine because of it, I'll happily accept it.
OTOH, if it does work out, I reckon I'll get my $50 back. Heck, who knows, I might even get a T-shirt! :-P
CAM (AFAIK) was an afterthought. Three issues in, I can't say I'm disgusted at this. ;-) I treat it as a bonus. It's presented pretty much like a magazine and is actually not a bad read.
Assuming you can stop foaming at the mouth over A.inc long enough to read it, that is. ;-)
As for Luca - can't comment as I don't know him.
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@Wayne:
It's a club magazine, that's why it is only available to club members. Important announcements are not exclusive to club members, nor is the weekly Q&A session with Fleecy, so it's quite possible to get information from them without paying for it.
> On the other hand, it's a great way to make sure the ONLY people left in the community are
> those who are willing to blindly contribute money to a questionable effort.
Why are you trying so hard to insult us? I'm not blind, I'm not blond, and I cheer for whoever I choose to. I don't deserve being patronized, nor does the other Club Amiga members. :-x
If it's any comfort, you're no longer the only person feeling depressed. Well done. :-(
Kay
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Personally, I sent them $50 in the hope that it might help contribute to me getting a new Amiga. I was quite prepared to lose that money if it didn't work out - still am.
That pretty much sums it up for me. It was a choice between a video-game and/or a chance to put in *some* contribution which could work out with some sort of bonus.
With that said, it didn't work out. And I won't be sending them anymore cash if/until I get to evaluate the product. ;)
With that said, I don't mind sharing what's in CAM. See my previous post. :P
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Why are you trying so hard to insult us?
I would say that you've read far, far too personally into what was written. I think it's the most pathetic attempt at extorting money from the community that supports them that I've ever seen. I don't have anything against the actual people who've "taken a bite of the apple".
That's your choice, but I will still defend that this community is being crippled by Amiga Inc's even basic hint of public relations knowledge.
It's Amiga Inc's actions (or lack thereof) that I take offense to, not the people who support them. For the record, I took an equal umbrage when Fleecy was doing interviews for the "pay per view" AmigaZone. Restricting knowledge from those who support you unless they physically pay you is stupid.
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@Wayne:
Sorry, I just think you come across as somewhat condescing to the people who don't share your (IMO) blind hatred towards AInc. Sometimes it ticks me off. Anyway, glad you didn't mean it that way.
Kay
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@Kay,
I don't "blindly hate" Amiga Inc, or anyone else with the exception of Mike Bouma and Kevin Hisel. I respect them (Amiga Inc) for being able to stick it out so long, though I firmly believe their continued existence will eventually be the death of this community.
I have just learned, by 8 years of experience (5 years with the current people) not to believe a single word they say any more.
Honestly, I don't expect you to understand. None of you could understand because you have not been in my position, but I have been personally face-to-face lied to by multiple management members of Amiga Inc on multiple occassions. As such, I have no more "trust" in what they say or "optimism" that they can actually DO anything, and I damned sure don't have any more "faith" that they are operating in the best interest of this community.
If you were in my position, I've no doubt that you too would also have earned a healthy skepticism towards the current "owners of the week".
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Well I got my e-mail this morning, and checked it out. There's some good stuff on AmigaInput written by Steffen Haeuser, another is article by one of the AmigaDE devlopers about what he's working on, and, yes, a bunch of general stuff on where AmigaOS is going, post 4.0.
I know people are ticked-off that they don't have OS4 by now, but I think if you take Allen's speech at the Amiga show last week, you can see the reason things are taking so long- money. Given the state of things, I think they've done a decent job.
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Wayne,
First of all, let me say thank you for keeping Amiga.org going all these years, when people ask me for sites for info on the Amiga, I tend to mention your's, sometimes before Amiga Inc. own site.
Though I'm not quite sure where you're going with:
"though I firmly believe their continued existence will eventually be the death of this community. "
If I follow that logic, it seems like we should, either, quite while we're ahead and become Linux-heads (that's basically where I'm drifting) or start signing up for Retro-computer shows and hanging our with the 8-bit Atari crowd telling stories about how we would have done things if we'd been running Commodore or ogaling AAA specs.
At some point, you have to move on. Me, I went with AmigaDE becasue it chance (maybe a slim one) to make sure PDAs don't turn out as boring as desktops did. Now as far as desktops go, I like what they're talking about, can they do it? I don't know, but I do know that at least they are thinking about more than cloning the WindowsXP interface. Will they do it? Maybe, but, then again I look over at what Bill Buck and the ex-Phase5 guys are talking about and it's not much new either.
At some point, you have to pick at a few long-shots, you might as well go with one that is looking forward and not sideways.
Zolatn
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If I follow that logic, it seems like we should, either, quite while we're ahead and become Linux-heads (that's basically where I'm drifting) or start signing up for Retro-computer shows and hanging our with the 8-bit Atari crowd telling stories about how we would have done things if we'd been running Commodore or ogaling AAA specs.
I'm not saying any of that. Not at all. A real company with professional management could still come out with a real platform. DE isn't it. AmigaOS4 isn't it, unless it comes with real commercial-level applications.
The AmigaOne (I will refrain from my natural desire to call it what it is, the LinuxOne) could be the fastest, most powerful hardware platform on the planet and it won't matter because there are still no AmigaOne or AmigaOS 4 applications from real commercial companies. Hyperion porting old PC games doesn't count.
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It's a club magazine,
Ok, without malice intended, someone needs to set things in stone. Was it a $50 non-existent coupon, a $50 non-existent T-shirt, or a $50 magazine subscription?
If someone wanted to tell me that they honestly paid $50 for an Amiga magazine subscription, I'd stop bitching, but I still maintain my point about Amiga Inc's CONSTANT and debatably INTENTIONAL mishandling of community support.
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A real company with professional management could still come out with a real platform. DE isn't it. AmigaOS4 isn't it, unless it comes with real commercial-level applications.
I see what you mean, I guess it still comes back down to not having a proper OS to tempt new developers with.
All the more reason for them to get OS4 done ASAP. I think we both know how tight money for tech start-ups is, especially ones trying to introduce "new" OSs.
Zoltan
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@Zoltan
I agree regarding money. It is indeed a big factor for those who expect to get paid. In some respects however, I don't know that I buy it, because BeOS was on one hell of a good track, even after the money was gone.
In regards to DE, I think it *had* potential, but too bad REBOL beat them to it and has a much larger potential to move ahead on several platforms.
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@Wayne
Ok, without malice intended, someone needs to set things in stone. Was it a $50 non-existent coupon, a $50 non-existent T-shirt, or a $50 magazine subscription?
Exactly. And if I had even a slightest hope for OS4 and AmigaOne arriving in near future then, I'd have payed. After all these months, luckily I didn't.
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Personally,
I don't know what these Amiga cheerleaders want from us....we have a huge ugly problem in the company of Amiga, Inc...and we are all supposed to just chat politely ignoring all problems at all times.
I applaud this straight talk....its good.
People say, if we don't like Amiga, why are we here....exactly. Exactly.
We all like the Amiga community, its why we are here, but Amiga, Inc. has to be discussed. It's a problem when a technology company has made more money selling online magazine subscriptions than they have selling technology.
People bought the $50 promotion, because it was a $50 dollar off coupon for the going to be released almost immediately AmigaONE.
Amiga, Inc. sold it as a 'measurement of interest'...they said they needed to know 'how many boards to produce'
Anything else said now, is just re-writing history.
The beat-me, abuse me, take my money again crowd, is doing a disservice to all those people that got their money stolen by this company. You can donate your $50 if you want, but you are making it harder for those who got ripped off to have their voices heard. It's irresponsible of you to do it. IMHO
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My view on (S)cam:
AmigaInc needed money desparately. So they had this great plan: where do you get money from? Ofcourse, from those mad amiga users, where else. I mean, they have been waiting and been lied to so many years now, it won't hurt to do it once more.
Ofcourse, they had nothing with their DE (coming real soon now), so they had to bring OS4 into it because Hyperion and their team are probably the only ones who will eventually deliver something. It is public knowledgde that their coupon idea had nothing to do with either Eyetech or Hyperion.
Not only did they rip people off, they also brought two companies in discredit with their master plan.
So where it the proof? Tell me one thing: how does a company who just ripped $50000 from loyal amigans, doesn't manage to print a t-shirt? Well, there is only one anwser ofcourse, the $50000 is gone.
What i find the most embarassing for AmigaInc is the way they are pretending that they have done something for OS4 (Fleecy answered my question on this by saying that they helped to define Amiga Generation 2 hardware, whatever that may be). So in other words, they have done nothing.
And quite frankly, i find it pretty embarassing that people have to pay to get information.
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Anything else said now, is just re-writing history.
The beat-me, abuse me, take my money again crowd, is
doing a disservice to all those people that got their money
stolen by this company. You can donate your $50 if you
want, but you are making it harder for those who got
ripped off to have their voices heard. It's irresponsible of
you to do it. IMHO
Certainly it can be argued that
AInc didn't hold to their promises (whether this was out of
malice or not is open to opinion, but irrelevant when
considering the fact that time has invariably outrun the
goodwill of some of the buyers). By all means, the people
not having such an benevolent view on the lack of
delivery from AmigaInc, should make their voices heard -
they have certainly paid for their right to do so.
But the thing is that if you follow your own chain of logic,
it's is just as unfair not to hear the people with the
positive view as well. They too have paid for their right to
talk about it. It's their money on the line.
The only unnesecary noice in here is really you and me -
the people who haven't paid a dime in AInc:s coupon
scheme, but still tries to tell the people who *have* paid,
what they should think about it. We - and in the case of
the people having legit claims on AmigaInc, 'we' means
those among all us non-payers talking about the coupon
scheme as if they were personally swindled (not referring
to you personally here, please note) - are much
more responible for overpowering the voices among us
that DO have actual monetary reason to shout.
I'm not promoting that people like you and I should not
have an opinion, by the way (actually I don't give a damn
about the coupons as such, but oh well) - I only
countercomment your idea that the "noice" is coming from
[still] supportive buyers when in reality people from the
sidelines (be they positive or negative) are really the
noicemakers.
The people wanting refunds ought to start demanding it of
AInc, or sue them. If they want to come across in the
forums, they just have to either post well-reasoned posts
or shout higher that everybody else (this seems to be
the most commonly used operating procedure for anti-AInc
posts of any kind, oddly enough). What most easily blends
into the background noice is up to each and every
person to decide ...
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SlimJim
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I'm not saying any of that. Not at all. A real company with professional management could still come out with a real platform. DE isn't it. AmigaOS4 isn't it, unless it comes with real commercial-level applications.
Sega failed with dreamcast, I guess they where a fake company and/or unprofessional management. And every other computer or console platform that has failed has been developed by fake companies and/or real companies with unprofessional management? Because it takes about as much time (maybe, we don't know yet, it's not finished, and might not ever be) developing an OS for new hardware as it does for modern games?
/steffo
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@Slim,
While I agree with the vast majority of what you both said, there's a third element here. There are people such as the admins here (myself included) as well as Christian, Petra, and others who, for years, have supported the Amiga and the Amiga community. In those specific cases, those few have EARNED their right to speak by fire.
There is a growing trend however in the community to polarize into the "you're either with me, or against me" crowd which leaves no room for the MAJORITY of Amiga community members who're already using up-to-date systems and are simply curious to see what's coming next. Those are the people who will make or break the Amiga, not the Zealots.
Think about this. Right now, if popular debate tactics hold true, 20% are absolute blind proponents, 20% are absolute opponents. That leaves 60% of the community that Amiga Inc are completely ignoring and a much larger part of the audience that is simply sitting back and laughing at every embarrassing, stupid mistake they make. I still consider myself part of that 60% who is curious, but is not impressed by anything they're doing.
Wayne
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So where it the proof? Tell me one thing: how does a company who just ripped $50000 from loyal amigans, doesn't manage to print a t-shirt? Well, there is only one anwser ofcourse, the $50000 is gone.
@z5:
Actually there was a bit over a thousand coupons sold, so it's more than that.
Though untill the AmigaOne/OS4 starts shipping you can't really say you where (assuming you invested) ripped-off.
Zoltan
www.ZEE4.com
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@steffo,
I have no idea what you're saying. Sega's Dreamcast and every other system is different from what has happened with Amiga Inc. Unlike Amiga Inc, Sega actually had products. Remember, Amiga Inc HAS ZERO PRODUCTS unless you count AmigaDE/Anywhere/whateverit'scalledthisweek. Their only concern seems to be licensing a name and making up kitchy little catch phrases such as "Amiga Generation 2".
Back to the point.... Sega could have easily spent money developing the next level of hardware. After at least three different rounds of competing with Nintendo and now Microsoft, Sega made a GOOD BUSINESS DECISION to remove themselves from the hardware arena and concentrate on what they were good at... Writing games.
Am I the only one that remembers "Amiga Inc is a software company" -- Bill McEwen (numerous times)???
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@wayne
I admit it. I was just nitpicking actually. But I do think that good companies with good management has failed, but with products in their product line that is. And AInc has so far not failed with any products on the market. (We have several cases of good products for very obscure reasons losing against worse products). Some things can't be controlled, but actually getting a product done actually can. So I actually agree a lot with you. I guess I'm just an asshole :)
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@Wayne
My point was not that anyone should have any bigger (or
lesser) right to have an opinion about events than anyone
else. If it came across as such, well, I didn't intend it to.
My point was that if any voices should be considered
more "noice" than others, it were to be those not
having club money on the line. And in that respect that
includes even people having done bucketloads for the
community such as you and other webmasters/
developers/etc.
As for the "camp mentality", I agree. As usual, there are
so many emotions flying around that debate easily gets
polarized into "factions" and "camps". The problem is that
such factions ought really to be temporary constellations,
lasting for a thread or so, when groups of people happen
to agree/disagree simultaneoulsy. Nowadays the camps
are created artificially, even when the discussion doesn't
warrant it (or doesn't even touch the same subject). The
"camps" have taken on a life of their own, influencing the
way people are judging other people's comments even
outside the actual hot subjects.
It's too bad. But sometimes I wonder if there would have
been any life left at all in the Amiga world had we not have
had such controversy to discuss. That we'll never
know.
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SlimJim
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There is a growing trend however in the community to polarize into the "you're either with me, or against me" crowd which leaves no room for the MAJORITY of Amiga community members who're already using up-to-date systems and are simply curious to see what's coming next. Those are the people who will make or break the Amiga, not the Zealots.
Sounds kind of certain politician :)
I agree though, It's one of things that bugs me about what happened to the Amiga community, probably only in the last few years with Gateway. Reading about them (Gateway) becoming a joke in the industry does does give me a smile still- they deserve it.
I do think that a lot of this comes from being stuck past, I just hope that the middle-60% can turn the community around once there is something new to talk about.
I mean, if you think about it, if anyone here is using an Amiga still we're talking about some pretty ancient stuff; I was taking apart a P2 last week and relized that for all the dust and odd-ball parts in there, this P2 was newer than my then-top-of-the-line A1200HD/030.
We really need some new hardware guys! :)
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@steffo,
I certainly wasn't trying to suggest that at all, simply that there are things here which should not be forgiven, forgotten, or swept under the rug. The Amiga and community are just two things I am very passionate about expressing myself.
Wayne
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A real company with professional management could still come out with a real platform. DE isn't it. AmigaOS4 isn't it, unless it comes with real commercial-level applications.
I see what you mean,
It's more than I do. What on earth do you mean by a "real" company, Wayne? Your statement is all emotion and no supporting analysis, as far as I can tell.
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I agree regarding money. ... In some respects however, I don't know that I buy it, because BeOS was on one hell of a good track, even after the money was gone.
From what I understand, the work involved in moving a 80's operating system, largely optimized in 680x0 assembler and relying on a bunch of custom chips, to whole new processor family and architecture, while updating, adding new features and still trying top be backwards compatable shouldn't be underestimated.
Basically they're almost building a new OS, abet they do a pattern to follow and maybe some of of the existing stuff can be used, but not much. I don't think this can be compared to OS3.1-3.5 or OS3.5-3.9 or even the improvments made to BeOS in it's last years.
In regards to DE, I think it *had* potential, but too bad REBOL beat them to it and has a much larger potential to move ahead on several platforms.
I think it's a bit early to write off a product that hasn't been finished yet.
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What on earth do you mean by a "real" company, Wayne?
A real company with real professional management, not a garage effort run by people who appear to having impressing sounding titles and no real experience.
Real companies:
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AT&T, IBM, Motorola, etcetera. (endless list)
Non-real companies
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Ones who's only product is selling air, t-shirts, "magazine subscriptions" and licenses.
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@Wayne:
Wow, you sure have written a lot of things which *almost* makes sense since I last dropped in. Your reasoning isn't too bad, but I don't quite agree with some of the premises you base it on. For example, you seem to think that the lack of the bloody T-shirt (damn I'm tired of the whining about the T-shirt) and the coupon is something permanent, while I think it is something which will be resolved as AInc's financial situation improves. Time will tell who is right. Anyway, following up on all of this is too much work for me, and I can't really be arsed with it anymore. I'll just say this:
*I think your hatred towards Amiga Inc is about as blind as the support from me and the other Club Amiga members.
*In time we'll hopefully know who was right. For now, I'll continue to support AInc, Hyperion, Eyetech and all the other companies which are attempting to revive the Amiga platform. I do this out of my own free will, and according to my own best judgement.
Kay
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while I think it is something which will be resolved as AInc's financial situation improves.
No doubts here. My problem is that this community, by in large, is extraordinarily fickle. I think it will be absolutely moronic to see Amiga Inc to deliver a T-shirt after OVER A YEAR and watch the sheep fall into line and forget all about the hell it was to get it and the embarrassment on the mark of Amiga Inc.
Time will tell who is right
I have never thought of it as a matter of right and wrong to be honest. The actions of Amiga Inc are documented, and they would embarrass ANY company. There's no debate there. The difference is really whether you fit into the 20%, or the 60%...
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> The difference is really whether you fit into the 20%, or the 60%...
Heh, I refuse to be in either group, as I don't agree with the categorization at all. Specifically:
* I don't agree with the relative sizes of the partitions.
* I don't agree with the way they are defined. In my opinion, the absolute opponents are just as blind as the absolute proponents.
* I don't quite agree with where you've placed yourself. :-P (Sorry, that's my opinion)
Categorize this if you must:
* I am not particularly impressed with what they've achieved so far.
* I am not particularly appalled either.
* I think they are doing their best under difficult circumstances.
* I see no need to make their circumstances worse.
* Based on what little communication I've had with them, they seem to be nice people.
* They seem to have the approximately the same goals as I do, thus I want them to succeed.
* I firmly believe in the saying "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness" (a Norwegian proverb, don't know if there is an English equivalent).
Kay
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What the hell has Amiga Inc done to deserve such a hugh loyal fan base? they should support the users and not the other way around.
A club so people can pay a nice little fee for information from a company, does anyone really think a company should charge for info?
Jul 29, 2002: "This is the ultimate Amiga scam, everyone should not join" - Luca, MA United States,USA
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Hey Paul,
You REALLY didn't need to change your avatar. I didn't really mean it. :) Besides, if you change your avatar, you'll have to stop acting that way, and I am not prepared to change mine. :)
Wayne
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I don't agree with the relative sizes of the partitions.
The 20/20/60 rule is a standard quotient in organized two-sided debate. The object is, in this case which "side" will win over how much of that 60% who are still lingering in the middle. How you or I feel or "agree" is irrelevant.
I don't agree with the way they are defined. In my opinion, the absolute opponents are just as blind as the absolute proponents.
Never intended to say that they aren't. Once again, as usual in the Amiga community, things are being read into statements which aren't there to begin with.
Sorry, that's my opinion
You're welcomed to it Seriously. I have no problem with where you wish to interpret people's stance as long as you honestly realize that you may, or may not always be right.. That being said, after 8 years of running this site, 5 years of BillCo, and 4 years before that running BBS's to support this community, I've EARNED my position and I know where I stand. That to me is all that matters.
* I am not particularly impressed with what they've achieved so far.
* I am not particularly appalled either.
Thanks for the admission. That's more than most of the "red troll side" (not suggesting you are one) will ever admit to.
* I think they are doing their best under difficult circumstances.
Politely but extremely disagreed. Now that DE has continually failed (how many "partners" does it take to screw over DE?) their success and immediate survival based on their ability to win over this community. (That is, if you don't consider them property of Microsoft as most do) So far, they seem content to ignore the community and invent excuses for doing so.
* I see no need to make their circumstances worse.
Neither do I, but, the major difference in your list between you and me is that I am not prepared to sit here watch this community be torn apart by the completely non-existent community relations they are performing (and in my mind, more of Fleecy spouting 1/2 truths and marketing doesn't count). It appears by all means that they are ACTIVELY trying to destroy the Amiga community and this is something that *I* will fight tooth and nail against with every grain of my being.
* Based on what little communication I've had with them, they seem to be nice people.
I've had extensive communication with them, and I agree that they are nice people. They are not however good businessmen, and they are, in my opinion, not acting in the best interest of either themselves or the Amiga community at large.
* They seem to have the approximately the same goals as I do
I think everyone here has the exact same goals as Amiga Inc. To get paid for doing absolutely nothing. This is, after all, the ONLY thing they're doing.
* I firmly believe in the saying "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness"
Good proverb, and actually relevant. The problem as seen by the middle is two-fold;
1) It's constantly raining in Amiga-land
2) every time someone gets a candle lit, they don't like what they see and Amiga Inc comes along trying their damnedest to blow it out.
In the end, I think you and I are a lot more alike than certain people are willing to admit. I do not wish anyone to fail but unlike most on the Amiga zealot side, the difference is that I'm not going to pretend that the smoke AI is constantly trying to "blow up my arse" doesn't smell like s***.
Wayne
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Well guys, as one of those people who plunked down $50 US, I get to read the online Club Amiga Magazine.
In all fairness, I found the following articles to be very interesting:
- The AmigaOne Experience by Rose Humphrey, Feb issue
- The AmigaOne Experience by Ross Vumbaca, March issue
- AmiDock and application.library in AmigaOS 4 by Stefan Robl, March issue
- AmigaInput - The new Gaming API for AmigaOS by Steffen Haeuser, April issue
Is there any breaking news? .......... go have :pint: ... you haven't missed anything yet.
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redfox
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The $50 US membership/coupon/t-shirt/magazine subscription thing was a SCAM .......... :-x
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redfox
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Hello everybody,
There's happened a lot in this news post after I posted my stuff!
@everybody
It's clear there's much disagreement about the 50 Euro/dollar coupon. Otherwise this news post wouldn't be so big with input from all sides (pro/negative/neutral)
@people giving summary of the CAM
Thank you very much! :-)
@SlimJim
You've got a good point about the part that people who paid (like me) should speak up towards Amiga Inc. It's after all our money given because Amiga Inc said that the boards would be available in a very short time, and I paid this money in June in the year of 2002!!!!!!!
This leads me to a piece of Kay's post
@Kay
..........For example, you seem to think that the lack of the bloody T-shirt (damn I'm tired of the whining about the T-shirt) and the coupon is something permanent, while I think it is something which will be resolved as AInc's financial situation improves. Time will tell who is right.
It's ofcourse clear that Amiga Inc. have some troubles with their finance, otherwise we surely would have those t-shirts already!
But the point is: Was Amiga Inc. already in financial problems when they asked money from us last year or not?!!?
Because then it's clear for everybody what Amiga Inc. is as a company. (fill in by yourself)
But if Amiga Inc. got financial problems AFTER the 50 Euro/dollar coupon-deal, why didn't they tell everybody what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's really that simple!
So Kay, you've written this part about "...AInc's financial situation improves...." from your own feeling and thinking (always good ofcourse :-)), but this has more implications for AInc. What if all those who paid (someone said over a 1000) would go to sue AInc. Do you think Amiga Inc. would survive it?
I'll give you my personal feeling about this:
I think that Amiga Inc. would survive it! But then they would drop the Amiga community officially and go on making stuff for what they are doing now at this moment, pocketpc's!
Somewhere else I mentioned the following (a summary):
Who do you trust more:
- A company with a new product for a small community. To survive they make stuff that has nothing to do with the targeted community.
Or:
- A company with a new product for a small communtiy. To survive they sell stuff that is part of their new product for this small community.
In clear words:
Amiga Inc. makes software for pocketpc's. This software should be available for this Amiga community when OS5 hits the street somewhere in.......????????? So this has nothing to do with the community of now!
Or:
Genesi made a product for this community and they sell their hardware+software to a Scandinavian(?) company as settop box. In this way they are still in this community and every effort they make to make that piece of hardware better or a code in the software better comes available for this community.
I really think that Amiga Inc. will survive WITHOUT the support of this community, because they already are making something that has nothing to do with this community. Where as Genesi is relying on this community for their survival. Let's face it, how big is the market of settop boxes for a new company? They can make more profit if they sell the same stuff as desktops !
I really want to support Amiga, but not a company who makes only promises and not goods for this community.
Instead I've more trust in Hyperion/Eyetech! I sure would love to see the money I spent on Amiga Inc. did go to these guys, because they are the people who are making the real product and not Amiga Inc.!
As you know I made my decision in January after so many excuses about the delay and bought the Pegasos. From then until now Genesi delivered twice an update of their software, gave a bonus in the last one: a little Tetris-clone and Voyager.
They told everybody about the Pegasos 2, clearly told everybody about their plans with Pegasos 1 (i.e. it is a startup board and that the Peg2 is the real thing for public). As far as I know they haven't told as many un-truth's as Amiga Inc. have done!
To make it clear, I made my decisions out of rational thinking (see the 2 company's part in this very long post :-)). I am one of the few in this community who did have only a physically real Amiga, no pc with a Amiga-emulator running or whatever. And yes, I'm proud of it. This doesn't mean however I have a problem with guys/girls who have a pc at home! :-)
I am just a guy who don't want a physically pc at home with Windows running in it. Instead I want to have a good emulator to run Windows!, because unfortunately our community isn't uptodate to the software standards of these times and Bill Gates has total dominionship over all that has to do with software standards, again unfortunately.
(this is a remark to software for general public and not for the professional market!)
I want a computer that has an efficient OS and not an OS for which you have to locate a computer for, because it is bloated like............(again, please fill in yourself).
I've made my choice to NOT sue Amiga Inc, for the money they got from me, but instead trying to get some of the promises they made, in this case the CAM. That is why I did post it in this news post (see almost at the beginning of this news post).
Hmmm, somewhere I lost my comments directly towards Kay, sorry Kay. :-)
Ok, this was a very big post with a lot of personal feelings in it. I guess it was brewing inside to come out :-)
I'll shut up about this subject from now on.
Spidey
ps: please people, if you want to reply on something in this post, remember, these are my personal feelings and don't take sentences apart to make a point or so. Please see the whole picture I wanted to give to you :-)
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@Spidey
Reasonal post. But as I understand it, your main beef with
AInc (at least for the present time ;-)) is that you haven't
got access to the CAM despite being a member of the
club. Since it costs them nothing to add you, this sounds
only as an administrative hickup. Have you exhausted all
possibilities to contact AInc on this matter (no, I don't
know where to turn, since I never had the need)? HMetal
could perhaps point you in the right direction - send him a
PM on this site, perhaps?
.
SlimJim
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@Spidey
Sorry i dont think cant strust A = must strust B
I dont strust A or B atm, i trust C & D= Eyetech & Hyperion, wich i think have done alot for the community in the past & will do in the future.
Genesi have offered something that you wanted. but have not offered what most have wanted for many personal reasons.
If they had what most wanted then there would be alot less flaming.
You cant see the reasons for others not going the way you did, everyone has thier own reasons.
For me Eyetech & Hyperion are offering me what i want.
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@SlimJim:
The only unnesecary noice in here is really you and me -
An island of reason in a sea of mayhem and nonsense. :-D
Thank you!
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The AmigaOne (I will refrain from my natural desire to call it what it is, the LinuxOne)
Well refrained. ;-)
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Hi SlimJim,
I really don't know what my main beef is in this post! :-D
I summed a lot of personal feelings from general stuff about the companies to this CAM deal.
(see my post to Alkemyst about the companies-part)
About the registration-part. As you've read in my first post in this newspost I've mailed the support with my question to get me enlisted for the CAM.
You know, I really believe Amiga Inc. should have covered this part from the moment they asked for the coupon-deal. From a consumers perspective this is something you expect from a company, or not?
But anyway, I'll inform you about the progress :-)
Spidey
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Hi Alkemyst,
You've added Eyetech and Hyperion.
But officially they are not the people with which we should discuss about the future of the Amiga.
It is Amiga Inc.
Amiga Inc decided to let third parties make the hardware and software.
That is why I only mentioned Amiga Inc. and Genesi.
And the problem for me was the combination of all positve peptalk of Amiga Inc. and the downside of it, all the delays, because the software and hardware weren't that ready as Amiga Inc. stated.
If from the start Hyperion and Eyetech were the companies saying they were busy making OS4 with new hardware, I don't think we would have as many discussions as we have now, don't you think?
(we as in Amiga community)
And I wouldn´t have my thoughts about the companies.
One question though: you mention about not trusting A = trusting B.
In that part I explained that thought with the activities they do to survive and finance the developing for this Amiga community (software for pocketpc's and settop boxes). And with these activities in mind I made my decision. Would you want to give your opinion on the part of the activities they do?
I stated on several occassions that I will support Hyperion when they deliver OS4. even if I can't run it!
I am not that rich to support Eyetech for their hardware, sorry guys from Eyetech.
Yes, everybody has personal reasons to do something. I judge for myself Amiga Inc. and Genesi as companies doing something and not the people from those companies personally mailing stuff in these forums.
With this I mean that I don't judge BB for what he is mailing personally on these forums, because every action has it's reaction (physics law). So sometimes he starts something and sometimes he reacts at somebody else. (in this way I also don't judge HyperionMp, HMetal and others what they are personally mailing ofcourse)
But instead I look what Genesi is mailing officially as company and in this way what Amiga Inc. is mailing (do you understand what I am trying to say? I really should learn more English! :-))
I did say this too somewhere else: I really hope the two systems will survive, because we'll have more people combined in this way with an Amiga-like system. So the combined future will be more bright! :-D
Spidey
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You REALLY didn't need to change your avatar. I didn't really mean it. :) Besides, if you change your avatar, you'll have to stop acting that way, and I am not prepared to change mine. :)
What are you going on about? i changed it because i wanted a nice god squad avatar but this comedy one will do.
http://www.gaspirtz.com/animated/cartoons/08.jpg
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Redfox...
The $50 US membership/coupon/t-shirt/magazine subscription thing was a SCAM ..........
I'm not defending them and i'd like to see my $50 again. However if you look at it logically I think all parties underestimated the sheer size of the project.
I think Bill M was hoping for an autum release last year, hence the summer coupon deal. That way they could have used the profits from the licence fee of the Amiga TM and share of the cut they get for OS4 to print the tee-shirts / refund the $50 still leaving them with a profit.
The trouble is the things have gotten delayed and they are still waiting for the OS4 / A1 royalties to come through the door before the can afford to do the tee-shirts / $50000 dollars refund.
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@Spidey
I don't have a name to associate with your handle here but I have, as I always do, replied to all requests regarding CAM. Was yours answered yet?
If not, please email me directly with your information and I'll get you set up.
There has been a problem with some dealers (actually, "a" dealer which I won't reveal publically) not following the directions they were given and therefore their customers were/are not receiving their subscription access. I have an unproven theory/idea that it stems from this "camps" thing again. If you purchased directly from us, obviously this doesn't apply to you.
Also, if you paid via Paypal, there is a human element involved and a certain margin of error.
Anyways, let me know how you make out, since I'm not sure who you are as far as names go.. :)
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Hi HMetal,
Just mailed the question!
And again thank you for your fast reaction! :-D
I really appreciate it.
Spidey