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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => General Internet News => Topic started by: SlimJim on March 15, 2003, 06:23:47 PM
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Fleecy Moss of Amiga Inc replies to the first batch of
questions from the amigaworld thread created for this purpose. This is the first of a planned series of similar sessions.
AmigaWorld (http://amigaworld.net/modules/fleecymoss/index.php?cat_id=1)
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thank ghod! common sense! :-D
(altho, i would NEVER want to see IE on an amiga. I HATE that browser. it sucks. i use Opera)
"We have a marketing slogan we use, the new WWW, which means Whatever, Wherever, Whenever."
cute!
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With all the failed deals that go through, it's amazing that amiga, inc still exists. They just keep battling on!
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[color=FF0000]This comment was removed by redrumloa due to abuse. Specific reason: Extreme profanity.[/color]
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oh, sure. Spoil my fun, Moderate your own posts. :-P
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oh, sure. Spoil my fun, Moderate your own posts.
LOL!!
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well, Nothing Earth shattering there. Didn't even nudge the table. Mostly, common sence and stuff that was already known.
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To be honest, I can't even be bothered to read it.
As far as I'm concerned, after their record over the past three years, the only thing that comes out of Amiga Inc that I'll pay any attention to at all is product you can touch and buy. Anything else is likely to be a waste of bandwidth just like the vast majority of their statements in the past.
Wake me when something actually happens.
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With all the failed deals that go through, it's amazing that amiga, inc still exists. They just keep battling on!
Hey! This is Amiga we're talking about: They're not dead- they're undead :)
Amiga: The Ultimate Undead Computer. :)
Zoltan
(a guy with too much coffee in hands)
www.ZEE4.com
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you have to build up trust & stuff before you can hit with the harder questions.
Some can get away with asking some questions that others cant.
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As far as I'm concerned, after their record over the past three years, the only thing that comes out of Amiga Inc that I'll pay any attention to at all is product you can touch and buy. Anything else is likely to be a waste of bandwidth just like the vast majority of their statements in the past.
Heh ... actually, that's about what fleecy himself is saying ... :-)
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SlimJim
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We have a marketing slogan we use, the new WWW, which means Whatever, Wherever, Whenever.
Is it only me or does this sound a bit slutty to anyone else :-D
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Nice to see someone mentioning SHEEP again!
I was starting to wonder if it was gathering dust on a shelf somewhere :)
I know that Python has been mentioned on the Yahoo AmigaOS list as a possible replacement to ARexx (which I support, Python is really nice language) , but it's an interpreted language and has a large run-time library from the implementations I've seen. SHEEP seems to be much more compact, seems to have a syntax a bit like Python, and (according to the last OSNews interview) is very fast. I really want to see SHEEP! (no, I sleep fine :) )
Zoltan
www.ZEE4.comwww.ZEE4.com (http://www.ZEE4.com)
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Darn it, I obviousy missed the first rush because right now I can't access amigaworld.net. :-(
I guess it must be overloaded with people trying to read these Q's & A's. :-?
Saying that I've found it a little slow in general - perhaps it's on a low bandwidth connection?
Rob
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Is it only me or does this sound a bit slutty to anyone else
I was trying hard not to say it first.
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I think it's really good that they have decided to open up a little bit.
with all the silence and not knowing if they where still around and everything... it really made me think they had gone under.
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Are you saying Amigas are not EASY to use? :-D
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:-D A welcome breath of fresh air! Just what we needed.
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@bhoggett,
Here, here, here, my sentiments exactly!
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Well put mate.
Skippy
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To be honest, I can't even be bothered to read it.
As far as I'm concerned, after their record over the past three years, the only thing that comes out of Amiga Inc that I'll pay any attention to at all is product you can touch and buy. Anything else is likely to be a waste of bandwidth just like the vast majority of their statements in the past.
Wake me when something actually happens.
Exactly.
And I would never visit that site. Not after the recent events. Remember people - visiting that site means supporting it (as well as the actions taken by it's owners)!
As for the actual "answeres" from Fleecy (which I have not read because of the above reason), it looks like it is what most of us expected. The comments from people that have read it seems to range between "nothing new" to "a waste of bandwith".
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> And I would never visit that site. Not after the recent
> events.
May I ask what "recent events" you are referring to?
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SlimJim
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Nice idea :-D
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Doesn't "Whatever!" mean the same thing as "Get Lost!" in America?
"Whenever.. Wherever" Isn't that a shakira song?
Any CTO worth his job would certainly know that IE sucks and OPERA is the web browser to port. If you can't figure this out, you are doomed to failure.
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Exactly.
And I would never visit that site. Not after the recent events. Remember people - visiting that site means supporting it (as well as the actions taken by it's owners)!
As for the actual "answeres" from Fleecy (which I have not read because of the above reason), it looks like it is what most of us expected. The comments from people that have read it seems to range between "nothing new" to "a waste of bandwith".
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Good that will keep the trolls from turning it into
another ANN (which I quite liked once) :-P
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And I would never visit that site. Not after the recent events. Remember people - visiting that site means supporting it (as well as the actions taken by it's owners)!
Could you explain me what actions were taken by its owners and/or wich recent events lead you to have such a strong reaction against them?
As for the actual "answeres" from Fleecy (which I have not read because of the above reason), it looks like it is what most of us expected. The comments from people that have read it seems to range between "nothing new" to "a waste of bandwith".
You seems just one more that moans about everything that is Amiga Inc. related, you even moan about what others have said without looking out yourself, oh please...
And if I were you I would re think about what you had write in: "Remember people - visiting that site means supporting it (as well as the actions taken by it's owners)", or do you really take ppl to be fools!?
I just don't see how one more amiga news site can be a bad thing... :idea: ohhh, only if it is because it isn't about MorphOS... These sites are naturally biased, so it is accepted that they are... biased, so... amiga sites can't be biased about... amiga, only MorphOS sites... ok I understand now :shocked:
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Any CTO worth his job would certainly know that IE sucks and OPERA is the web browser to port. If you can't figure this out, you are doomed to failure.
He had answered to what was asked "Will Amiga Inc. be negotiating with Microsoft to bring Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and Media Player to OS4", nothing more nothing less, hadn't revelead anything about porting it over, and never was specific about what should be ported.
It's clearly said on answer 2 3 4 & 6
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@pixie
Could you explain me what actions were taken by its owners and/or wich recent events lead you to have such a strong reaction against them?
Well, the site owner appointed Mike Bouma as administrator, and Bouma was responsible for spreading the rumour that Wayne sold amiga.org to Genesi.
Then, of course, there's the fact that the site says it has a no-flaming policy but anti-MorphOS flamebait seems to be perfectly OK.
I just don't see how one more amiga news site can be a bad thing... ohhh, only if it is because it isn't about MorphOS... These sites are naturally biased, so it is accepted that they are... biased, so... amiga sites can't be biased about... amiga, only MorphOS sites... ok I understand now
You're confusing an "Amiga" community site, with an "AmigaOS" community site. AmigaNews.net is the latter - and also doubles up as a free PR forum for Amiga Inc. - but definitely not the former. It does however, falsely advertise itself as an "Amiga community" site.
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Well, the site owner appointed Mike Bouma as administrator, and Bouma was responsible for spreading the rumour that Wayne sold amiga.org to Genesi.
Please, don't get ideas about a site purely because of the actions of one person.
Then, of course, there's the fact that the site says it has a no-flaming policy but anti-MorphOS flamebait seems to be perfectly OK.
When? I've seen at least thread along the lines of "Anyone want to move to MorphOS?" and a while ago there was a poll to decide whether to add another forum for OSes like MorphOS and AROS. 32% said "Yes", so you cannot say that everyone there is an AmigaOS zealot.
You're confusing an "Amiga" community site, with an "AmigaOS" community site. AmigaNews.net is the latter - and also doubles up as a free PR forum for Amiga Inc. - but definitely not the former. It does however, falsely advertise itself as an "Amiga community" site.
Advertising? Where? Anyway, are you saying that we can have MorphOS only sites, but not AmigaOS only sites? (It's not AmigaOS only anyway - there is some news and stuff about MorphOS). As that poll showed, it is only mainly Amiga (in the narrower sense) because most visitors wanted that. The webmaster offered to add a section for MorphOS, so you cannot claim he's biased!
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As far as I'm concerned, after their record over the past three years, the only thing that comes out of Amiga Inc that I'll pay any attention to at all is product you can touch and buy.
Yeah, either that, or their assets coming up for sale after the bankruptcy.
/me hides behind the nearest corner :lol:
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Then, of course, there's the fact that the site says it has a no-flaming policy but anti-MorphOS flamebait seems to be perfectly OK.
how do you know if you never go there ?
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@alx
Please, don't get ideas about a site purely because of the actions of one person.
I beg to differ. When that person is an administrator with apparently unlimited power and totally free hand to take whatever action he feels like taking, and no visible charter to guide his behaviour, I reserve the right to judge the entire site by his own standards.
When? I've seen at least thread along the lines of "Anyone want to move to MorphOS?"
Well, let me refresh your memory. The thread was actually called: " Is anybody thinking about joining the Rebellion?". Slightly darker undercurrent in that title, don't you think?
That thread contained a comment from which I quote:
"nope... don't support piracy by getting a pegasos/MorphOS."
Amazingly, the admins/moderators made absolutely no comment to this post. However, when a user - Seehund - rightly protested that this was going too far, his post got removed. When he demanded an explanation, he was banned.
Who was responsible for this? Mike Bouma, by his own admission.
Check the thread for yourself here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38&forum=4&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0).
a while ago there was a poll to decide whether to add another forum for OSes like MorphOS and AROS. 32% said "Yes", so you cannot say that everyone there is an AmigaOS zealot.
Reading polls is misleading. Did 32% say "yes" because they wanted to discuss MOS or because they wanted any mention of it removed from the main forums? You tell me.
Advertising? Where?
Big banner. Top left hand corner. You can't miss it.
Anyway, are you saying that we can have MorphOS only sites, but not AmigaOS only sites?
The MorphOS only sites make no bones about their focus. AmigaWorld.net does not admit to being an AmigaOS/Amiga Inc interest site only.
As that poll showed, it is only mainly Amiga (in the narrower sense) because most visitors wanted that
Is this most visitors before or after Bouma brought over his cronies?
The webmaster offered to add a section for MorphOS, so you cannot claim he's biased!
The webmaster appointed Bouma as admin, complete with Bouma's personal agenda and Bouma's - erm - reputation. 'nuff said.
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@Derf
how do you know if you never go there ?
'scuze me? Are you quoting me there, or someone else? You seem to be having a bit of a problem telling people apart. Is the red mist imparing your vision at all?
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What about Carl Sassenrath's REBOL? Would that make a good AmigaOS scripting language, do you think?
Chris
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mine was a simple question, i got the impression from everything you say that you dont frequent amigaworld, but are happy to bash what they do and the articles they display.
now reading your post after mine it shows you do look there (at least last week anyway) but you could have just said that, or did you just want to insult me again?
if i was a petty person i would go and read what the posting rules actually are here...
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The thread was actually called: " Is anybody thinking about joining the Rebellion?". Slightly darker undercurrent in that title, don't you think?
I've read that thread... so what!? I've read a balanced thread, with good arguments, no bash fighting… about the topic, it was made from a user, surely made to catch some more viewers, so both MOS users and AmigaOS users could vocalize …
I've seen pretty many worst threads on ann by MorphOS users...
"nope... don't support piracy by getting a pegasos/MorphOS."
Amazingly, the admins/moderators made absolutely no comment to this post.
Why should they!? Maybe you should think they should have deleted it!? They don't have to pop him every time, and everyone has his right to say if he agrees or not and why! This kind of paternalism was usual on ann but thanks god it isn’t on AW… (and no deleted comments)
However, when a user - Seehund - rightly protested that this was going too far, his post got removed. When he demanded an explanation, he was banned.
I don’t know why he has the right to bragg against the moderators, but I bet it isn’t by saying “Webmeisters, how about introducing a "no trolling" policy in addition to the "no flaming" one? :-P” that you can state he has “rightly protested”
Big banner. Top left hand corner. You can't miss it.
Please!! Don't start to get too much paranoiac about your mental link between AW and Ainc, 1st that's not a banner, 2nd what's wrong about using Amiga Logo!? It's a bad thing these days!?
The webmaster appointed Bouma as admin, complete with Bouma's personal agenda and Bouma's - erm - reputation. 'nuff said.
I've read his article about Pegasos and I find it not much biased, as most of his posts, he only says: "I've seen it but still rather prefer AmigaONE" that is what annoys most MorphOS fans/users/whatever, these users think that he can't think no different, Pegasos the ultimate grail and so...