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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga.org site announcements => Topic started by: System on March 07, 2003, 04:12:35 PM
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We would like to take this moment to welcome Genesi as an advertising sponsor of Amiga.org. Their demonstrated support of this site is greatly appreciated and it is only through the support of existing companies such as Elbox, Fore-matt computing, and Genesi that Amiga.org is able to continue.
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Fanstastic. It's good to see companies supporting Amiga.org.
I am glad to see, already 3 companies supporting Amiga.org, I hope the trend continues as products are released and the community rebuilds.
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Excellent.
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Excelent news!! :-)
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Genesi has sense of marketing and good PR moves. Something I missed from this world.
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Good to see a non amiga company giveing support to amiga org :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Genesi has sense of marketing and good PR moves.
Probably why they turned down the Amiga Inc. AmigaOS 4 offer then ;-)
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good news indeedy :-o
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Uh-oh there goes the neighbourhood! ;-)
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BTW how long has this site been up?
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BTW how long has this site been up?
April 27th, 1995, but design began in December 1994.
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See the faq (http://amiga.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=3) . Started as a BBS in 1988 and went web in 1995.
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OK, Wayne beat me to it...
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The server has been up for almost a week.
Or do you mean the Xoops version? That been up just over a year.
You probably want to know when the site originally came online. That would be April 26th, 1995
Check the .info link under System in the Exrta Stuff menu at the left.
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If I recall, it was during the VISCorp/Escom era that the site popped up, but don't quote me.
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Very nice to see that Amiga.org has a new sponsor.
What's not so nice is that the new sponsors website is outdated. :-(
If you look at the April/CPU part of the website it says that it will be possible to update the Pegasos with a G4 or a dual G4 using the same mainboard. At least Genesis publically announced (http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=222&si=1 (http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=222&si=1)) that the Pegasos I will not have a G4 upgrade.
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Uh-oh there goes the neighbourhood!
Is that what the C64 users said when Commodore bought Amiga too? :-D
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Is that what the C64 users said when Commodore bought Amiga too?
Bingo! Ding Ding Ding! Give that man a cigar...
Wayne
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"it says that it will be possible to update the Pegasos with a G4 or a dual G4 using the same mainboard"
as a tradein you will be able to upgrade for a very good price. (sounds like resonable compensation?)
Dan Andersson
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Congratulation Wayne, any income stream for amiga.org is a very good and vital thing.... no matter how dubious the source.....
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Congratulation Wayne, any income stream for amiga.org is a very good and vital thing.... no matter how dubious the source.....
Dubious? Is that really necessary?
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What happened to the others? Are they no longer sponsoring Amiga.org?
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Dubious? Is that really necessary?
Absolutely, got to keep up the side up....
(it was in no way a dubious reference to amiga.org, i think you misunderstood...)
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Somehow, i think i now understand why it was ok for bbrv to insult quite a few of the regular Amiga.org visitors (nicely calling them 'morons').
Oh well... :-(
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Somehow, i think i now understand why it was ok for bbrv to insult quite a few of the regular Amiga.org visitors (nicely calling them 'morons').
If the moderators missed something please foward it to the appropriate moderator. However I do believe you are mistaken. Everyone should/will be treated with respect.
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I think we all known what i am talking about. But somehow, the topic got closed by request and misteriously dissapeared in the tons of other topics...
Amiga.org hasn't lost being neutral, it has just lost its neutrality (as was demonstrated with the example i talked about).
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@Wayne
The reason for my cynicism, is purely that I have seen posts by BBRV and I guess you`ll censor every post that says anything negative about genesi, even if it is truthful or just someones personal opinion, because BBRV WON`T agreee to people criticising Pegasos/morphos/genesi etc on a site their paying advertising to....my fear is that this site is now nothing more than morphoszone2.org.
Can you guarantee that you will not "moderate" in the favour of BBRV?
:-( :-( :-( :-(
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If the moderators missed something please foward it to the appropriate moderator. However I do believe you are mistaken. Everyone should/will be treated with respect.
No mistake its here http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1438
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Can you guarantee that you will not "moderate" in the favour of BBRV?
I shouldn't have to, and I resent the implication. If Bill McEwen ever came out from under his rock and deigned to post here, he would be afforded the same protection. I have even taken steps to defend HMetal and AI lately in case you've missed it.
As I have stated, a lot of you are more pissed off because McEwen is NOT posting than you are because BBRV is. Yes. BBRV can be a handful, but like a lot of you, he doesn't like being attacked. He is just very, very forthcoming at defending himself.
Read my comment near the bottom (http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6907&forum=1#94664)
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No mistake its here http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1438
Thank you for pointing that out. For the RECORD, and as a FACT, bbrv was asked -- by me -- at that time, to more carefully choose his words.
Note: this was BEFORE we put hard and fast posting guidelines into place. Nowadays, should such an action occur, you should tell a moderator who will either edit or remove the post as required.
You know that. It's just easier today for people to point fingers and make up conspiracies than it is to accept what really happened.
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@l8
I used to wonder about AO descending into another morphos (lower case intended) zone, and even voiced my opinions about it.... but at the end of the day i honestly believe the integrity of Wayne and the moderators is very much intact......
Yeah bbrv can be a complete tosspot at times, but who gives a #### where the money comes from as long as this site remains, as always.. completely impartial...
Eventually all this non-amiga rhetoric from genesi and their disco aliens will evaporate , or be relegated to the also rans of computer history.,... but if they want to spend their money on an 'AMIGA' portal... then let them... blind leading the blind, but hey we benefit!
I would be extremely suprised and astonished if the management here would sell out to Genesi... if you ask me, they have 50% on red and 50% on black....
Regards
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What happened to the others? Are they no longer sponsoring Amiga.org?
Elbox and ForeMatt's advertisements have simply expired, but I am currently writing them to see if they are interested in continuing their advertisement.
Wayne
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The only thing what has expired is their RDB :-D (sorry couldnt resist)
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@gadd
(sorry couldnt resist)
Didn't Glitter say that in court? ;)
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LOL he said "i deeply regret doing what i was sent to prison for, i have served my time, i want to put it all behind me and live my life " :-)
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@ Wayne
First of all apologies for slurring your integraty it`s just that BB strikes me as the sort of person who would complain to you and try to apply pressure if things said on the forums he might not agree with. I know you`ll be fair, sorry.
Having read the comments you pointed me to, i have been enlightened a lot about the current situation with the advertising/hosting etc.
It looks as if amiga.org is now truely independant of any 1 company and that can only be a good thing.
I hope your other prospective advertisers agree and come aboard too.
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@l8-x
Dude, you gotta change that avatar... you were so serious and i got that bug eyed sprog looking at me... it just doesnt go....
If youre not careful bbrv will come and burp you.
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LOL!
He`s welcome to try and burp me! ;-)
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I though this was a no smoking website. :-P
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du·bi·ous
adj. Fraught with uncertainty or doubt; undecided.
Arousing doubt; doubtful: a dubious distinction.
Of questionable character: dubious profits.
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There are others. "Elbox, Fore-matt computing," and probably more. Genesi are just the newest.
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that bug eyed sprog
:roflmao: Oh may god, that was rich! Hahaha :lol: :roflmao:
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Look what happened to them! :-?
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Skyraker:
You should talk, what the hell is that thing of yours? It's kinda morbidly spooky.
L8-x's looks like he just ####e a brick. Not changing that diaper.
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it's simple really. When you are sponsored, you are not neutral anymore. You know it, we all know it. And the more money they give, the less neutral you become.
You may pretend otherwise, but it just is the way it works, everywhere in the world.
You just sold the soul of Amiga.Org, the finest (until a few months ago) website there is/was.
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Thx Genesi :-)
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@Paul_gadd
Who is that avatar of yours?
It`s bugging me as it seems a familiar face.
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z5:
it's simple really. When you are sponsored, you are not neutral anymore. You know it, we all know it. And the more money they give, the less neutral you become.
You may pretend otherwise, but it just is the way it works, everywhere in the world.
You just sold the soul of Amiga.Org, the finest (until a few months ago) website there is/was.
My brain hurts from your comment. :)
So, Amiga.org had sold its "soul" to for example Elbox before, and every other company that has bought banner ads?
OMG! Microsoft has bought banners on Slashdot! And, as we all can see, now every story there praises MS and craps all over Linux! And the Linux zealots have all become MCSEs and are praising .Net! Yeah, right. :-P
Just stop it.
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Anyway, it's nice with some GOOD news for a change. Congrats, Wayne and amiga.org! I hope there will be many more announcements like this.
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So, in your opinion, he should let down all the offers
about banners and run the site for free, just for people
like you? If you don't like that fact that Genesi has
a banner here and you believe that the site will now
be biased, I'll ask you a question... Why wasn't it
biased when it was *HOSTED* by Amiga Inc.?
If you want a site that only hosts Amiga Inc news
and Amiga Inc related forums, try... www.amiga.com
and their forums...
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@L8-X
Who is that avatar of yours?
Nam Rood from the smash hit old tv computer series bad influence. (http://www.badinfluence.fsnet.co.uk/)
img = http://www.badinfluence.fsnet.co.uk/640x480_logo1.jpg
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Z5:
Care to purchase some add space or feed the kitty?
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are to purchase some add space or feed the kitty?
I did twice already, so there's no need for that tune, thank you very much.
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If you want a site that only hosts Amiga Inc news
That was not the point. I think it should not have been sponsored by either AInc or Genesi.
But i rest my case...it's not important really. I just don't like to be called a moron for showing my support to Hyperion. The fact that bbrv was allowed to insult a lot of visitors pissed me off...
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Hey someone just deleted alkemysts post!
:-x :-x :-x
Just in case you never saw it it was
http://server.morphzone.org/ (http://server.morphzone.org/ )
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@Paul_Gadd
Brilliant I used to love watching that program....I wonder what Violet berlin is doing now....off to have a look at the webpage.
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Violet berlin! she is doing gamepad on one of the sky/cable channels & she has lost weight & boy is she fit :-D
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Is that what the C64 users said when Commodore bought Amiga too?
Bingo! Ding Ding Ding! Give that man a cigar..."
Oh, ya. That is right Commodore was spreading all kinds of FUD around about C64 :)
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Don't like what someone/anyone said in the forums talk to the forum admins.
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Brilliant I used to love watching that program....I wonder what Violet berlin is doing now....off to have a look at the webpage.
It was the best computer program of the 90s and it totally destroyed gamesmaster imo and Andy Crain made some wild comments about pirates which looking at them now are very laughable.
"CDs will stop the pirates"
"Pirated games are easy to spot"
"Pirates will never copy that" :-D
As for Nam Rood he was brilliant and made the show a lot more enjoyable and Violet still looks very attractive.
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Before I start, can I please stress that I'm not trying to troll...?
I feel rather sorry that Genesi are sponsoring this site.
My reasons...
This is AMIGA.org - whay the hell aren't Amiga sponsoring it?
Like it or not, Genesi are, to a certain extent, parasitising someone else's market. It may be understandable - the vaious amigas have done nothing these last few years - but I don't like it, especially given that I know that the Amiga Inc people really do have their hearts in the right places (but their feet in their mouths), and are (belatedly) heading in the right directiion.
MorphOS fanatics have taken down this site twice in the past. Whilst it's nice to see BBRV distancing themselves from this, it still (perhaps unfairly) leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Make of this what you will. I'm not really taking sides here...
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[Please, note that my only reason for replying to this topic is not to troll, it is to clear up misconceptions. None of what I say is an untruth, it is merely to inform and since my clarification of this is getting deleted all of the time, and since you asked, I have no recourse but to answer.]
This is AMIGA.org - whay the hell aren't Amiga sponsoring it?
We were, remember? We hosted amiga.org on a dedicated server that we pay for and that server was used for nothing else but amiga.org.
So, while we didn't donate explicit monies, we did put resources behind amiga.org. No one can refute this.
P.S. I do find it interesting that when I ask Wayne to, for the community, clear up the misconceptions regarding Amiga Inc's former role in amiga.org, the topics get deleted.. I wonder if this one will get deleted now, as well? ;-) Then again, if clarification of our involvement keeps being removed, I could always make an announcement on our own website.. but I would prefer not to do that - for obvious reasons. This is something that Wayne has a duty to clarify or at least let us clarify.
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@MasterOfReality
Just because someone hacked A.org, and because you don't like
MorphOS doesn't mean the site was hacked by MorphOS-fans.
Sites all over the net get hacked on a daily basis and mostly
it is done by some sick weirdos who have nothing to do with the
contents of the site other than liking to proove that it can be done.
@HMetal
For what I remember the server needed serious updating by Wayne
before he could use it.
So basiclly you were just giving some bandwith, which is cheap
in these days. This did stop Wayne from acceprting money by
advertisers and therefore may have been a not so good deal for him.
Also wasn't it said that AInc wouldn't take ANY influence in A.org
because of this ? Most of these threads were fueled by exactly
2 users who typiclly demanded Wayne to tunrn this site into a
the_name_worshiping one. Don't rememeber your post on this, but
if they were in one of those threads or if you were tooting
into the same horn, deleting them was 100% right.
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@hmetal.
I believe I did reply to this,
here (http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6919&forum=1&16)
I felt it was very clear. I do know that when I MOVED the thread to talk about, something about the system screwed up and it's not reachable if you look in your account, but is reachable in the direct forums. I think that and that alone is why someone locked the thread.
Here is the original text from the other thread:
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You are absolutely right, and I need to clear that up, yet again it seems. Please read this very slowly and take a bit to understand it. There is nothing between the lines.
In no way did Amiga Inc themselves put any direct pressure on me in one direction or another. As a matter of fact, I could not even get Amiga Inc, more appropriately Bill McEwen to even respond to direct e-mails after the Luca Diana incident. They completely ignored me and this site. (I sincerely feel that they are listening to the wrong people, but that's just my opinion, and it's a wholly different story).
In reality, on my part -- as well as a few of my staff -- due to the fact that we were using AI's server, there was a lot of perceived pressure, helped by the attitudes of people like Luca Diana and Mike Bouma. Said pressure made us feel as though since we were hosted on AI's server, we could not provide the fair and even coverage that I had tried to do for the last 8 years. Psychologically speaking, I even probably lashed out at Amiga Inc because of the frustration caused by the hosting situation and the perceived pressure.
No one, not even the six advertisers "pressured" me into leaving Amiga Inc's servers. This was a simple business decision that *I* made, in the best interest of the future of Amiga.org to get into a situation where I once again feel it's possible for me (and my staff) to do our "jobs", without pressure one way or another -- which is how it should have been all along.
For the record, I do not hate Amiga Inc, though I do have personal problems with most of their management. I also feel that Amiga Inc is failing miserably at doing the only thing they should be concentrating on, which is to support this community.
Support the community first, the computer should come a close second. Without the community, there is no need for the computer. This is a fact they don't seem to give a rat's ass about, and yes, that does irritate the holy spit out of me.
Anyone who knows me, knows that to me, this community is the ONLY thing about the Amiga that I care about any more, and it didn't have to be that way. If AI had supported the community, I would have been happy as hell. Facts are facts however, and Amiga Inc -- in my eyes -- is simply not concerned whether we are here or not when the new machines come out.
After all, Amiga Inc themselves have nothing to lose if the desktop platform fails, Hyperion and Eyetech do.
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For what I remember the server needed serious updating by Wayne before he could use it.
Uhm.. no. Check with Wayne, my friend. It was me who installed the extra support software he needed. He may have had to "tweak" some settings and install the site software (XOOPS) himself, but I installed the support software, set up the MTA and even tweaked some support scripts for him to merge user email addresses into the virtual user table for the MTA.
As for "tooting" horns, I am offended that you even view me in that way -- that it is possible that I might "toot" a particular horn. As anyone who knows me can confirm, that is not who I am and you can even ask Wayne himself about that. When I reply, it is to correct a mistruth or spin -- nothing more, nothing less.
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Thanks for being a stand-up guy there Wayne. I missed that in the other thread.
One thing I have to note regarding your comments: Amiga does care about the Amiga community in whole (as opposed to the "kommunity" that some people refer to as the followers of Amiga Inc). Don't mistake unexplained silence for contempt, ignorance or a lack of interest. If Amiga wasn't interested, then Amiga wouldn't have put forth the effort to sponsor and create the partnerships that are producing the forthcoming products.
I know you (Wayne) are jaded by Amiga for your own personal reasons (which you and I discussed and I won't put those in the public eye), but that has nothing to do with the products nor Amiga's involvement in them, or otherwise.
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@Paul_Gadd
LOL, just watched some of the vids off the webpage that piracy one too. God it seems like yesterday!
Violet married Gaz Topp and they have 2 sprogs now.
Gaz used to use an amiga I remember, read an interview with him in a mag somewhere.
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@Wayne
Fair points. The advertising is fine with me. It's the bit about the "community" I disagree with.
>> Support the community first, the computer should come a close second.
>> Without the community, there is no need for the computer.
So which computer do you see right for the community? Can there be more than one?
IMHO - Whether we like it or not this community is split. Just look at the evidence in the forums and news, it is like watching two local football teams do battle on the pitch.
You can no longer say this is a community, not even a community with differing views.
I've been away from "Amiga News" websites recently - I have found more of a sense of community in the A1-Dev and Amiga-Dev mailing lists - why? Because we are all wanting the same thing there, all wanting something more to base and expand this "split" of the "community" on. Sure there are disagreements (that is healthy), but not all out war like we have here..
I'm sure the other "community split" has something similar and feels the same way.
Lets not pretend we are one big community. (although I'm not to proud for people to prove me wrong)
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Dear Friends, the "Kommunity" reference has more to do with a mentality to blindly follow a direction without question. Within a true "Community" of people *of course* there are differences. There *can* be different hardware, there can be different operating systems, and there should be different opinions about many things. Let us not forget we are human, computers are not. If we can share our differences intelligently with mutual respect for the dignity of others all these threads will improve in their usefulness.
We think there is far to much unnecessary "flaming" on all the sites. We have been a part of it. We responded at the level of the opposition. We have never been intimidated by any of it and we simply will not allow falsehoods and malicious personal attacks to remain unanswered. What will stand in truth and fact in the future will be the action and the results developed by all involved. If your looking for "measure" we are ready for judgment. We can discuss any thing, because we genuinely seek to be the best we can at all we do. Tell us what you think, explain why and most of all put it in a thoughtful context. In other words, if we know who you are and what your experience and background is, it will be easier for us to appreciate your ideas. We are extremely grateful for the email exchanges we have with many of you (though sometimes we cannot answer as fast as we would like!).
If your looking for a fight and you are bent on insults and personal attacks, just take it somewhere else. We do not have time for this any more.
The "thread wars" are over. We need to work. Our future is on the road ahead. We can see where we are going and know how to get there.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
Genesi :-)
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@R&B
>> The "thread wars" are over. We need to work.
>> Our future is on the road ahead. We can see
>> where we are going and know how to get there.
Exactly - this is why I think Hyperion and others took a back seat from the public eye at the beginning of 2002. Just as Ralph and many others in the MorphOS camp also did. They all need to build a future. But they are not building a future together...
What I am saying is that people are so against the other groups machines and direction that you can no longer call this a "community". The only common interest we serve is in our history - The Amiga as it was and the ideals behind it.
In the current climate the two sides cannot agree so a split is occuring in our "community".
This is not a flame, just my view point. I don't often post. (Maybe I should keep it that way).
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In the current climate the two sides cannot agree so a split is occuring in our "community".
But from where is the split occuring? I have seen bbrv here post several times, here and elsewhere, a desire to work with Eyetech and Hyperion to get some kind of re-joining of efforts in the future. But that got greeted with silence and some of the AInc-groupies claiming that Genesi needs AOS4 to continue when that is not the case. I see a man that cares about the community, and doesn't wish it self-destruct. If that means offering an olive branch, then he offers the olive branch.
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@Downix employed by Genesi
But from where is the split occuring? I have seen bbrv here post several times, here and elsewhere, a desire to work with Eyetech and Hyperion to get some kind of re-joining of efforts in the future. But that got greeted with silence and some of the AInc-groupies claiming that Genesi needs AOS4 to continue when that is not the case. I see a man that cares about the community, and doesn't wish it self-destruct. If that means offering an olive branch, then he offers the olive branch.
You really are funny.
1) BB knows full well the right way to go about working together, eveni know how better to go about it & im not even a CEO.
You dont ask on pubic forums first where there is confict going on.
2)he knows full well the legal bounds of Aos4.
Or dont he understand what having to go to Amiga.inc to get a licence for Aos4 means.
3) then after all that he puts down the other products from the every same ppl you say he is offering an olive branch.
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@Alkemyst
Alkemyst, we tried to work out a suitable agreement for both parties many, many times -- all directly and all privately. In fact, we are still trying...;-)
Please point me to where we have criticized OS4?
As for the Teron/A1, we predicted the problems there months ago. It seems the "news" is just getting out...
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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Poster: bbrv Date: 2003/3/9 17:58:37
@Alkemyst employed by Genesi NOT
Ok my mistake.
Alkemyst, we tried to work out a suitable agreement for both parties many, many times -- all directly and all privately. In fact, we are still trying...
Please point me to where we have criticized OS4?
As for the Teron/A1, we predicted the problems there months ago. It seems the "news" is just getting out...
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
Have you gone to Amiga.Inc to get a licence ?
If not then you have done nothing.
What should it matter to you about the Teron/A1.
From the ppl who have had a boards for quite some time now your making a big deal out of every little.
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Have you gone to Amiga.Inc to get a licence ?
If I recall, they did that a long time ago, before Hyperion was even in the picture. The terms were not agreeable, from what I have heard on the various forums. But, I am hearing this 3rd hand.
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Poster: downix Date: 2003/3/9 18:14:42
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Have you gone to Amiga.Inc to get a licence ?
If I recall, they did that a long time ago, before Hyperion was even in the picture. The terms were not agreeable, from what I have heard on the various forums. But, I am hearing this 3rd hand.
Your way off the mark.
That was about useing MOS as AmigaOS PPC before Aos4.
There are more than one type of license Downix for more than one thing.
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@Alkemyst
BB allways said they would do anything expect signing that licence,
and looking at the law-suit about their DE-licence one should
easily understand that. So Genesi are offering their HW, but just
not their soul to AInc/Hyperion and if those think they will live
better with restricting themself to one HW-vendor.... well that
is their desicion not Genesi's.
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Poster: Kronos Date: 2003/3/9 18:50:19
@Alkemyst
BB allways said they would do anything expect signing that licence,
and looking at the law-suit about their DE-licence one should
easily understand that. So Genesi are offering their HW, but just
not their soul to AInc/Hyperion and if those think they will live
better with restricting themself to one HW-vendor.... well that
is their desicion not Genesi's.
You make it sound as Amiga.inc are takeing Genesi to court.
Why should Genesi be allowed to dodge the license.
Well genesi knows the terms so if they dont like it they get nothing simple as that.
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lol
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we tried to work out a suitable agreement for both parties many, many times -- all directly and all privately.
You really make things sound so complicated but I really don't see the problem. You talk about their terms beeing unrealistic and impossible to work with. Then may I ask you; unless what I'm about to write is untrue, which are the specific details about these terms that are unrealistic and impossible to work with:
1. Any PPC hardware manufacturer or distributor is free to apply for AmigaOS4 support and a license to use the AmigaOne label with their product. AFAIK, Hyperion themselves even applied for a Pegasos but never recieved one.
2. If the ROM issue would be a problem, they have said that just about any alternative solution can be made, such as a USB dongle for example.
I mean, is it really that hard to get AmigaOS4 support for the Pegasos? You know, it's funny how eager you seem to get AmigaDE support for your Pegasos (even trying to sue Amiga Inc. over it) but not AmigaOS4 support. Weren't you supposed to be working for the best interest of the "community"?
Furthermore, are you saying Amiga Inc. didn't offer you (bPlan) the same opportunity to become the official AmigaOS4 developers as Hyperion? Are you saying Amiga Inc. gave Hyperion a better offer than you got? I find it pretty hard to believe.
Now stop this stupid "they are the ones making it difficult to cooperate" attitude because it's bullocks. YOU are the ones making it hard to cooperate, YOU are the ones splitting the community, YOU are the ones parasiticly marketing your products on someone else's brand, YOU are the ones getting one step closer to beeing the reason for the fall of the Amiga market and the community for each day that passes.
Just my not so humble opinion and completely without care wether people find me to be a troll or not...
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Just my not so humble opinion and completely without care wether people find me to be a troll or not...
It's a circle that goes around and around, can we not start that circle again please?
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@samface
And who told you that? Bill spend months e-mailing Hyperion trying to get AOS4 onto the Pegasos, feeling it would sell a few hundred more boards, and Hyperion is the one that failed to respond.
And the MorphOS guys were offered the same deal as Hyperion and wisely turned it down. If you had any business sence you would have too.
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@Samface & Downix:
Cool it. This have been beaten to death over and over. I don't think any one expect the situation to change. So, either dicuss the article or take it else where. I don't want to see another pointless circular argument.
Argo
News and Links Moderator
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*sigh*
@bbrv ( and everyone else )
Is there any release date for the *final*, stable, 1.0 version of MorphOS ( or have I allready missed it? :-) )
@Wayne
Good! This site deserves support.
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Cool it. This have been beaten to death over and over. I don't think any one expect the situation to change. So, either dicuss the article or take it else where. I don't want to see another pointless circular argument.
So please give me an appropriate answer then. Yes, this has been beaten to death with counter attacks on Amiga Inc., personal attacks on the person asking the questions, etc. But NEVER with an appropriate answer to the initial question asked. I dare you to point out one occation where an appropriate answer to these concerns has been given and I will stand corrected.
If you define someone repeatedly asking the same questions as a troll, then yes that's what I am. It's a pointless remark since my questions still remain unanswered.
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Hi Sammy, just post your question here and as we have been doing with you for weeks we will answer your questions. Simple.
:-D
Raquel and Bill :-)
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just post your question here and as we have been doing with you for weeks we will answer your questions. Simple.
The questions are already there, in black & white. Just read and reply. Simple.
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What problems BB ..... I have both A1 G3-SE and A1-XE and I have no problems with either.
Still waiting on the Pegasos that my son ordered though !!!!
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Go go go! We are back and we are kicking asses :-P
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And who told you that? Bill spend months e-mailing Hyperion trying to get AOS4 onto the Pegasos, feeling it would sell a few hundred more boards, and Hyperion is the one that failed to respond.
That's not the story I heard from Ben Hermans in the forums of ANN.lu. Please don't ask me to find the URL, just ask anyone of the regulars of Amiga online forums and they'll probably confirm. This is not a fairy tale but a very true story which not even bbrv can deny. The real question is, where did YOU hear THAT?
And the MorphOS guys were offered the same deal as Hyperion and wisely turned it down. If you had any business sence you would have too.
Alright mr. Business Expert, are you saying Hyperion made a bad business decision when they decided to take over the AmigaOS4 development? If not, why would it be such a bad business decision for Genesi/bPlan/The MorphOS Team?
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Hi Sammy, forget it. From earlier in this thread:
The "thread wars" are over. We need to work. Our future is on the road ahead. We can see where we are going and know how to get there.
Hi otpsoft, please see the ANN thread: Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online Store, Comment 75 of 99 in response to Ben Hermans:
"From this day forward you are on your own. Do your best. We will not have anything to say about you, your Company, or your project. You stick to your work and we will stick to ours. One day if you need help give us a call. This offer also stands for anyone working on your project. We would be pleased to be working with many of them."
For the final details and our last comment on the subject can be found on MorphOS-News in the thread PPC Mainboards: Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online Store.
That should close the subject and we can all get back to work. :-D
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill :-)
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Well, YOU were the ones who offered to answer my questions, now YOU are the ones who once more avoid doing so. It's fine with me, just don't blame me when these issues are brought into the subject again. Remember, the lack of "!" causes the "?" and not the other way around.
BTW, how's Amiga Inc.'s non-existing and non-affordable lawyers doing? Pretty good for beeing non-existing and non-affordable, I presume...
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Sammy, we can still trade emails and you can still post the answers where you want in the complete context of the discussion.
This last sentence of yours is out of line. You know Amiga Inc. did not have lawyers when we discussed this. Thanks to Rich Woods everyone else knows too. At the last minute they obtained legal representation and now discovery and document production will begin. OK?
Can we keep this out of the threads now?
:-D
R&B :-)
P.S. Technoid! Yes! Whewhoooo!! :-P
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Sammy, we can still trade emails and you can still post the answers where you want in the complete context of the discussion.
I'm still waiting for a reply to my last letter which I've re-mailed to you *twice*. Like I said earlier; read and reply. Simple.
This last sentence of yours is out of line. You know Amiga Inc. did not have lawyers when we discussed this. Thanks to Rich Woods everyone else knows too. At the last minute they obtained legal representation and now discovery and document production will begin. OK?
Well, you probably shouldn't have jumped into conclusions like you did then, claiming that they couldn't afford legal advise and all. You were obviously wrong, please just admit it and move on.
BTW, last minute? You said yourself that it would probably even take years before this matter has been settled, which makes me wonder how this can be refered to as "the last minute" all of a sudden.
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Sammy, you are too "heavy" now...
Your facts are not straight and we have many things to do beyond answering you emails. We will when we can.
Bill :-(
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Fine, take your time. However, I got other things besides waiting for your reply too, so don't expect me to hold my breath. I've been quiet out of respect for resolving these issues with you for some time now, so now I'll just rejoin the debate with what I've got. Like always, I will try doing my best to stay away from making my own conclusions. But then, like all humans I've got my restrictions. Please correct me when I'm wrong.
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@samface
You know, this is getting hopelessly off-topic here. Why not take this to the forums to discuss properly?
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@downix,
Thank you, I agree.
@samface
Ask yourself. Is there really any point to this constant BS and bickering? especially in a news article thread.
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I was the one replying rather than the one asking me to pursue a debate I didn't have anything to do with to begin with. An argument takes atleast two people, oh wise and neutral Wayne.
/me signing out.
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Why not take this to the forums to discuss properly?
Been there, done that. We all now what happens to threads that are beeing too negative towards Wayne's new sponsor, even if you do try to make it objective and outside the scope of the front page covered forum topics. Enough about this already.
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@samface
How many people politely asked you not to start this OT BS? At least myself, Argo and Wayne. There is only so much politeness before you just rub someone the wrong way and you get moderated. You are now right on that line. if you really think BB owes you something, email him. If you don't get an answer to your satisfaction, that is between you and him. I will ask again, PLEASE give it a rest. Take it to email or PM. Don't start yelling censorship because nothing has been deleted so far, and you have been asked politely not to light the flamethrowers.
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How many people politely asked you not to start this OT BS?
What part of "I wasn't the one who asked me to pursue this debate which I didn't have anything to do with to begin with" didn't you understand? bbrv made a statement about trying to work things out with Hyperion, I *replied* (as in followed his lead), bbrv specificly asked me to state my questions again, etc. How can you possibly interpret me as the instigator? How come you are not "politely" asking bbrv to stop this OT BS? How come *I* am the one trolling?
AGAIN, enough about this already. Please note how *I* am the one wanting this stupid discussion to end.
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How come *I* am the one trolling?
I never said you were trolling.
AGAIN, enough about this already. Please note how *I* am the one wanting this stupid discussion to end.
It's over then. phew.
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Don't start yelling censorship because nothing has been deleted so far
We have a saying in Sweden that goes like this; "my memory is good but short". Yes, something has been deleted, an entire thread to be a bit more specific.
That is a reply to your statement which is quite obviously untrue, not because I want to continue this stupid discussion. Please restrain yourself from making anymore untrue statements like that so we can please end this here and now.
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"If you define someone repeatedly asking the same questions as a troll, then yes that's what I am. It's a pointless remark since my questions still remain unanswered. "
No, I don't think it trolling. Just pointless as your never get an answer, at leat not a straight one. I've tried. I just don't want to see another pointless debate with will eventually end up with others joining, that's when the troll potential starts because someon is bound to say something stupid.
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I think he just blew you off.
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Sam
BBRV drew you into a pointless debate then blew you off. Don't fall for this. It only puts you in a bad light. If people take the time a look it's actually the other way around.
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We have a saying in Sweden that goes like this; "my memory is good but short". Yes, something has been deleted, an entire thread to be a bit more specific.
That is a reply to your statement which is quite obviously untrue, not because I want to continue this stupid discussion. Please restrain yourself from making anymore untrue statements like that so we can please end this here and now.
Untrue statements? What has been done is done. I did not delete any threads you were involved in so I can not easily answer why. It's entirely possible someone's used poor judgement, I don't know. No one is infallable, if we were we'd be God and wouldnt be here.