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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: downix on March 07, 2003, 02:54:24 AM
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On the AmigaOS4 website (http://os.amiga.com) there is a news item stating that they will not be attending CeBit, and that AmigaOS 4 is not ready for show.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA ROTLF LOL LMAOS :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :crazy: :lol: :-D :lol:
:python:
Heh, that really was a good laugh. My god.....what a bunch of incompetent idiots.
(BTW the hyperlink points to os.amiga.org....wishfull thinking? :-), the correct link is ofcourse os.amiga.com).
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One thing I would like to know is why AmigaInc had to announce it so late? This situation must have been known many weeks ago. :-?
I have one idea, but I'll let others think it out first :-P
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There is only one lord of the desktop. Only one. And he doesn't share power with anyone.
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There is only one lord of the desktop. Only one. And he does not share power with anyone.
LOL
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what a bunch of incompetent idiots.
I wouldn't say that. I think that Amiga, Inc., Eyetech, and Hyperion are all doing their own thing as spelled out in their agreement. I feel that the problem is that they don't communicate with each other as much as they should to make sure each partner is on the same page. It does make them all look very foolishly niave and inexperiencedly unprofessional.
A bunch of incompetent idiots would have gone ahead with the show and come off looking like baboons. Remember the famous Bill Gates Windows demo at a show. That BSOD made him o' so like a leader of the computer industry.
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AmigaInc had to announce it so late?
Could be that it was close enough to done that they thought they might be able to make it, but didn't.
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It wasn't too hard to guess this would happen.. :-(
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@JoannaK:
You didn't actually read the statement before posting, right? I mean, if you had actually read the statement, you would also have read the explanation and the apology for delaying the decision...
Duh.
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Oh well, sh!t happens :lol:
It would ease the 'pain' if they post some new screenshots of AmigaOS 4.0 *hint* *hint* :-D ;-)
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Hello,
"You didn't actually read the statement before posting, right? I mean, if you had actually read the statement, you would also have read the explanation and the apology for delaying the decision..."
I think what JoannaK means is that the booth reservations for the CeBit have been closed weeks ago, so Amiga Inc could have announced that they will not attend this show far before.
Regards
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This announcement is one of the most sensible things Amiga Inc. did in the last months. Pity that it was so late, and the excuse they give is pretty lame: preparing a good demo does take weeks of work, so they should have known one month ago that they could not make it to CeBIT.
Well, after all it doesn't matter too much, OS4 hasn't been canned :-D
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This will be the final insult to many people.
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I find the following part strange:
Mar 6, 2003 - Late last year, Amiga announced its intention to launch AmigaOS4.0 at the CeBIT show in Germany. Since then, the project has advanced into its final stages but unfortunately not to the point where we are ready to ship. ....
"..not to the point where we are ready to ship.."
As can see in Bill's "Letting the World Know" item of 19 nov 2002, he stressed the following part:
....The first of these shows will be the official launch of the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4.0, to occur at the CeBit show in Germany in March (and before anyone asks, this does not mean this is the release date for AmigaOS4.0, it means that CeBit will be the public launch of it). ....
In his statement he made clear, at CeBit everybody would be able to see the new heading of the Amiga OS (public launch), BUT this didn´t mean it was the release date for people to buy OS4.
But now they have as excuse for not attending the CeBit that they are not at a point to ship. :-?
Very strange,
Spidey
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@sgm:
Funny avatar!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I was under the impresion that they were aware that the CeBIT was just
the launch, not the release of OS4?
Have to admit I am losing confidence in AmigaINC. As JoK pointed out
they should have known weeks ago that they weren't going to be able to
go, why did it take them so long to d an announcment. :-(
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Eh, guagliò, con un presidente così bisogna fare penitenza...
Ciao,
Stefano.
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Its not just CeBit thats has been missed.
Why do we let Amiga / Eyetech get away with it.
Missing deadlines etc.
Oh is it because we don't like to rock the boat.
Complain. Report them to Trading Standards. Watchdog. Vote with your wallet.
Where are all the A1 XE's people have pre ordered.
Enough Have been built + CPUs.... Alan
The Firmware is Finished... Rouge
You can download Yellowdog & Debian for A1
Whats the problem ?
Eyetech, Amiga care to comment I assume you do speak to each other.
North Yorkshire Trading Standards (http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/tradingstandards/)
If you feel you want to complain fill out your complaint here (http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/bacs/busconsenquiry.shtm)
If you ordered double glazing and they didn't turn up to install them on the day they should have and promised, you would complain. Even though they haven taken no money they are misleading the public.
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Complain. Report them to Trading Standards. Watchdog.
And get laughed out all the way back down the M1.
You didnt Pay for your XE did you ? I know I didnt.
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Instead we are looking at other shows and opportunities in the near future to provide a suitable platform for the launch of the new Amiga.
Cebit 2004?
Serious, this does not come as a surprise. We will wait some more. We will be good little boys and girls.
Coder
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Good, since i dont have the money now i dont have to wory about not being able to buy it
:-) :-x :pint:
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I've waited for years and years. And waiting some more won't hurt me. Especially now when I don't have any money to actually buy the products if they were released right away.
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Well, it may mean that i have to use Linux until the OS4 arrives. The A1G4XE should be out sometime this month..Fustrating - yes, but the reasons are good one..
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Obviously the people at Amiga, Eyetech and Hyperion are very busy getting everything done at the moment, and it may indeed not have been clear until very recently whether or not they can present something at CeBIT with a reasonable amount of work and a result which would justify the effort.
Generally, given their companies' sizes it seems only logical to me that their top priority is the product, not keeping the public informed about their progress and business decisions. Nevertheless, they actually do keep us informed, as far as it is feasible.
Keep up the good work everybody involved, I hope the wait will be over soon.
Greetings,
dirigent
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Well......it's better they wait until OS4 is completely ready. After all, when they stand there showing the world some new Amiga stuff, they'll better be there with a product they can trust, and which is ready for shipping.
It would be stupid to miss out, on all the eventual copies sold on such a huge show. Many people would without a doubt buy AmigaOS4 instantly. Amiga Inc. would miss out on all these potential impulsive customers.
I find it a wise move to wait for another show, and then be much more prepared.
Remember that this is one of "the big" news on the computer scene. Everybody will possibly discuss whether OS4 is up to our days time. It would be extremely stupid to face the global computermagazines, websites, etc. on such a show with a "half product".
Belive me....the wolves will be mercyless when confronted with a company who's supposed to be dead, and suddenly claims they are alive, and kicking with a new product.
This shows that Amiga Inc. understands this, and shows the responsability towards the Amiga it deserves! :-)
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I really agree with Dirigent...These companies really understand the Amiga. That's why they are working so hard to make the best out of they work...No doubt.
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Well Each time the prospone the release of OS4.0
MOS gets bigger and bigger, I don't think MOS will ever get to the point where a release of AOS4.0 is pointless, but each day I am thinking more and more about MOS.
Or an other non wintel solution
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While appreciating any clear news from Amiga Inc, I fear this is another dip in credibility for a company that appears to be unappreciated anyway.
Like many others here I suspect, to me this is another announcement in the long line of "just wait a bit, it will be along soon" vein. I'll wait because my new Amiga will be installed alongside my existing PC. Whether it actually ever turns up is not a matter of life and death to me. If it does, that will be nice, if it doesn't it will be a shame but I'll carry on using my PC.
PS. I won't be buying a Pegasos, not because although it may well do all as advertised, I can see no pressing reason to start out again with a new platform.
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Hello Hondo_DK,
...It would be stupid to miss out, on all the eventual copies sold on such a huge show. Many people would without a doubt buy AmigaOS4 instantly. Amiga Inc. would miss out on all these potential impulsive customers....
I don´t understand these sentences of yours. :-?
Amiga Inc. just announced they will not participate the CeBit, so now for sure they will not sell copies to impulsive customers?!
Don´t forget OS4 will run on the A1 and on classic Amiga's (with PPC upgrade ofcourse :-)), so these impulsive customers would own an Amiga already or they had to buy OS4 AND an A1 on the CeBit.
Spidey
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PS. I won't be buying a Pegasos, not because although it may well do all as advertised, I can see no pressing reason to start out again with a new platform.
That's why it runs Amiga 3.x software.
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Hello,
"PS. I won't be buying a Pegasos, not because although it may well do all as advertised, I can see no pressing reason to start out again with a new platform."
FYI AmigaOne + AmigaOS 4 will also be a new platform.
Why? Because AmigaOne is a new hardware compared to Classic Amigas and developpers will have to port/create their software using AmigaOS 4 APIs to have them AmigaOS 4 natives.
Of course there is the AmigaOS 3.x compatibility, but MorphOS has it also :)
So in both case, Pegasos/MorphOS or AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4, these are new platforms.
Regards
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Well......it's better they wait until OS4 is completely ready. After all, when they stand there showing the world some new Amiga stuff, they'll better be there with a product they can trust, and which is ready for shipping.
Maybe speculation, but IMHO they will ship it ASAP when they have something to ship, regardless if it's stable or not. AmigaONE has been released despite the promise it won't be released until OS4 is ready. They want to grab hold of the land, before all is lost. Simple business.
Speculation regarding it's not released because they want it to be rock solid is pretty unbelieveable to me. Anyway, it will go to earlybird ppl and ppl who trust it without actually seeing it. Like the beta1 at the Genesi side.
Absolutely my opinion, of course
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Yet, despite all said above - the AmigaONE in existance is the only difference compared to 2001 august.
So things are a bit brighter here. Yet, I've got fed up with the current management, and two days before I received my Pegasos. So I spent my yesterday playing around with MorphOS, and it's beautiful. Faster and even more nicer than I thought judging from the shots and reviews, yet it still has small glitches and a few bugs. Hope OS4 will be at least that fine, and then I'll buy that too, for my blizzppc or Pegasos.
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Frodon wrote
"FYI AmigaOne + AmigaOS 4 will also be a new platform.
Why? Because AmigaOne is a new hardware compared to Classic Amigas and developpers will have to port/create their software using AmigaOS 4 APIs to have them AmigaOS 4 natives.
Of course there is the AmigaOS 3.x compatibility, but MorphOS has it also :)
So in both case, Pegasos/MorphOS or AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4, these are new platforms."
Yes I am aware of that, but I look at it in Apple terms. Apple went from 68K to PPC with all the implication that entailed, but I don't think Apple users saw themselves as changing platform. I 'm just a simpleton at heart
;-)
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Well, if there is only one bad thing i want to say about all this, is the long wait..That's really fustrating..and it's really going on my nerves.. :-(
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One more nail in their coffin.
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This is not surprising at all...
But there is one thing I do not understand: for sure, Hyperion knew since a long time OS4 would not be ready for CeBit...
Why having waited so long to finally ADMIT it ?!?
(two or three days ago, "rogue" was still writting: "We have not failed yet"...)
By doing this *they* are causing all these fud messages...
Regards,
Leo.
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Heh, that really was a good laugh. My god.....what a bunch of incompetent idiots.
Eh ??? !!!
I don't know who is the idiot here ! :-x
As i read it, there were sincerly hoping to show something until the very last minute, but it's not ready ! :-(
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Whoa! This must be really bad, even Helgis lost his optimism! :-D
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@Fordon
Might I suggest you stay out of Amiga Inc threads, as you are clearly not interested in Amiga Inc, your only here to Troll and push the product you support, which to me at least comes across as being very lame.
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@Hombre
The door to CeBit has been closed weeks if not months ago.
Ben Hermans admitting the still non-functional 68k-emu on
ExecSG only two weeks ago made it 100% cetain that they
won't have a deeply tested sys ready (and why go with any less ?)
So the KNEW it won't happen, just like they KNEW OS4 was not in
it final stages when they sold "I am Yoda" and just like they
KNEW A1/OS4 were not "on schedule and rocking" when they sold
the Party-Pack.
Thats the main prob I got with the_name Inc:
Making mistakes can happen to anyone, but trying to "solve" them
by ignoring them is not a good idea.
But to whom am I talking, when someone on ann.lu allready claimed
the CeBit isn't really important .... :-x
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@Kronos
Actually that's On Schedule and Rockin'
and more amusing quotables (http://www.amiga.com/corporate/amigadepartypack.shtml)
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Ooh, now there's a surprise! ;-)
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Poster: Ryu Date: 2003/3/7 14:48:16
@Fordon
Might I suggest you stay out of Amiga Inc threads, as you are clearly not interested in Amiga Inc, your only here to Troll and push the product you support, which to me at least comes across as being very lame.
As I have observed Frodon reacted on a post regarding the Pegasos/MorphOS. I think it's just as fair for him to address those posts as it's Rogue's to reply to posts concerning Hyperion or OS4...
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Frodon is one of the most amiable members of this site. Amazing even his posts get under people's skin, but then some skins here are pretty darn thin...
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Amiga Inc really needs to sort out their PR skills.
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Yeah, we're worn really thin by your (Edit: strobe, that is) constant tirading. Me, I'm too smart to be fooled by any of you. I wanted an AmigaOne for Linux and AmigaOS (yes, I enjoy working with PPC computers, and have more than enough boxes to back that statement up :-) ), and I got one. Last May. Oh, and btw: Whoever would by a Mac and have all that trouble with Linux not supporting this or that when they could just by an AmigaOne and run OSX.2 off of MOL in a dual-boot with AmigaOS4 (whenever it is released, I'm having too much fun with Linux to be worried at the moment, really). And before you comment on the lack of feasibility of any of that, it's already been done... And my 700MHz AmigaOne currently crunches OGR-25 5% slower (9.4 vs 9.0 Mnodes/s) than the 2.2GHz at work. RC5-72 about 23% slower (3.0 vs 2.3Mkeys/s)
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1) If you want good linux support, buy a PC instead. LinuxPPC is the least supported port and supports the least number of peripherals and cards. I don't know what makes you think the A1/Teron is more supported than a PowerMac, Linux/PPC has been running on PowerMacs far longer and Apple's hardware is better quality.
2) 10.2 doesn't run all that well in MOL. Actually it runs like crap. It also can't 'do' as many things in MOL than if it were running on its own. Kinda hard to be a "digital hub" if you stick it in a virtual machine.
3) Nobody is drooling over your 700mhz A1. I'm typing this on a 1Ghz PowerBook.
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BTW DMA will actually work too.
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@olegil:
Why P4 sucks in RC5 (http://n0cgi.distributed.net/faq/cache/55.html).
But you did know this already, right?
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from http://os.amiga.com/
"AmigaOS4.0 is coming. Beta-testing has been going on since last September, the Club Amiga Magazine is previewing many of the new features and AmigaOne integration is proceeding well."
following the link to Club Amiga Magazine (http://os.amiga.com/cam/)u get:
You must login to use this feature. You must also be a member of Club Amiga.
Click here to join Club Amiga.
Ok thinking wtf i have to submit my email adress to get the info i click the join Club Amiga link ...
then i get too:
When you join "Club Amiga" for USD 50.00, (EUR 50.00, or GBP 32.50) you will receive a shirt signifying your membership and, throughout the next 12 months, you will be the first to learn of new products and receive a special monthly Club Amiga Magazine containing articles about the Amiga.
WTF 50$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to learn about a feature in the os ????
If i could make up feature list and draw some screenshots and then sell em for 50$ to ppl i would be rich !
(wonder if they charge extra for shipping the shirt overseas ....)
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Oh dear... What a shame... Gee, I guess we'll have to do something about this won't we... Er.... .... .....
Oh.. Right... All we can do is wait..?
I suppose I'll just wait a bit longer then.
Complaining won't make them change their mind & release OS4 in whatever state its in now will it?
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Well, it looks like even AROS will be ready before OS4. :-)
Then the war will be over and AROS will be running on x86, m68k Amigas, AmigaOne and Pegasos.
If someome had seen this a long time ago( in the Gateway era) then we would have ONE useful os now, not one outdated(3.9) and 3 alfas/betas.
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@nDude
Club Amiga gets advanced previews. This is one of the magazine features for which they paid. The screenshots displayed in the magazine will be released to the general public & the rest of the Amiga community sometime later.
You don't have to join the club if you don't want to benefit from the features of the club.
The feature list of AmigaOS4 and screenshots are available, as usual, at The AmigaOS4 Features Page (http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4Features.php)
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I want to know what is happening with the T-shirt/coupon carry on, we were promised a statement "very soon" but have heard nothing?
Grrrrrr! ;-)
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@Paul_Gadd
Agreed!
(god this is twice I have agreed with you today! Hope it isn`t a regular occurance) ;-) :-D