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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: Tigger on February 21, 2003, 01:56:50 AM
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A poll (which Bernie is apparently part of) to decide whether Umilator effort should go forward. More info here:
Umilator Poll (http://maug.org.au/umilator.html)
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For 37 quid yes of course.
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The Thing That Should Not Be may return... :shocked:
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It would definitely be nice to see an update on the number of people who have made their endorsement.
Has the viability of this product ever been in question? It sold reasonably well in the past and there was some indication that a version sanctioned by Amiga would also be available at one point.
I don't quite understand the motivation behind this but certaintly think this is an important product that helps encourage widespread use of the system and the development of other applications.
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Hmm Silly poll
Only to options:
1). Yes I will pay A$99.00 from Umulation
2). No I will not pay A$99.00
What about:
3). I really want this product and will happily pay more for it...
I think Bernie deserves better treatment than what he has recived so far... And if that means giving him back more profit on his efforts than so be it... I would rather that then loose a GREAT developer from this community forever...
Regards
Darren
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I suppose i'll be flamed for this but oh well. I don't hate Bernie but i wont be buying an emulator to run Amiga OS on my PC when i have an Amiga.
I've always disliked emulation in general because it is always faced with incompatability limitations to the real thing. This is not to say i hate Umilator and Bernie. I don't. In fact i hope he walks away from all the garbage he's had to put up with, with a few quid in his pocket. It would only be fair.
As for me buying an emulator, well i'm going for an A1 and OS4 so i will have old 68k apps available to me in the OS anyway and then i'll have all the new SW that was made for OS4 as well. (remember the change from 1.3 to 2.0)
Ivan
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@Ivan
I've always disliked emulation in general because it is always faced with incompatability limitations to the real thing. This is not to say i hate Umilator and Bernie. I don't. In fact i hope he walks away from all the garbage he's had to put up with, with a few quid in his pocket. It would only be fair.
Note that AmigaOS 4.0 does have a 68k emulation feature since PPC is an entirely different family compared to 68k series.
PS; I recall Bernie has the license from Amiga Inc.
Regardless what happens, the AmigaOS has to migrate to another CPU family (forced by Motorola's decision for abandoning the 68k in regards to desktop computing segment leadership).
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3). I really want this product and will happily pay more for it...
You can always buy more then one copy! ;-)
- Mike
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Although I said yes I would like to buy, it would be a good idea if they also provided a link to what the proposed feature set is (I believe there is one out there somewhere, right?) and also a possible target date for it's return to the market.
I am also curious as to what has changed so that bringing Umilator to market is now possible, while before it seemed impossible?!?
- Mike
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Although I said yes I would like to buy, it would be a good idea if they also provided a link to what the proposed feature set is (I believe there is one out there somewhere, right?) and also a possible target date for it's return to the market.
I believe the adress you looking for is:
http://www.umilator.net/blog/features.shtml
;-)
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>Note that AmigaOS 4.0 does have a 68k emulation feature since PPC is an entirely different family compared to 68k series.
I never forgot it. There are alot of 68k based binarys out there so some form of emulator is needed to support them. In a perfect world, all those coders would pull out thier sources and do PPC compiles of thier SW. I think the major apps will be PPC anyway. And under OS4 with all the new features added. It's easy to forget that the OS is just expanded and execSG is just an extended exec68k for PPC. I expect that even with 68k emulation for the PPC that there will be some problems with some apps because of the new OS features. It happens in EVERY os change. But hey, at least were not re-wrapping a linux or QNX kernal and calling it AmigaOS or Amiga Set Top Box. (a la Gateway)
>PS; I recall Bernie has the license from Amiga Inc.
Last i heard he still does but he took his leave. I still can't make sense of this announcement though. Do they plan on finishing code? What's Bernies take on all this?
>Regardless what happens, the AmigaOS has to migrate to another CPU family (forced by Motorola's decision for abandoning the 68k in regards to desktop computing segment leadership).
Indeed, when the first PPC came from Motorola who didnt want AmigaOS on PPC? It's taken a while but were here. :)
Ivan
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> I suppose i'll be flamed for this but oh well. I don't
> hate Bernie but i wont be buying an emulator to run
> Amiga OS on my PC when i have an Amiga.
> I've always disliked emulation in general because(snip)
Nobody is going to flame you for not buying a product you personally have no use for.
:-)
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I never forgot it. There are alot of 68k based binarys out there so some form of emulator is needed to support them. In a perfect world, all those coders would pull out thier sources and do PPC compiles of thier SW.
This is not a perfect world....
I think the major apps will be PPC anyway. And under OS4 with all the new features added. It's easy to forget that the OS is just expanded and execSG is just an extended exec68k for PPC. I expect that even with 68k emulation for the PPC that there will be some problems with some apps because of the new OS features. It happens in EVERY os change. But hey, at least were not re-wrapping a linux or QNX kernal and calling it AmigaOS or Amiga Set Top Box. (a la Gateway)
Then again, there was this thing called Amiga DE.
My post was about "your emulation remarks".
My view was to have a near Amiga OS 5.0’s ideal i.e. virtual processor under 68k JIT emulation, instead of Tao’s VP. There’s nothing wrong with PPC and X86 in terms of coexisting within a particular market place.
The problem with PPC BeOS and X86 BeOS (and also others**) is that, it doesn’t have common CPU layer for common binary execution.
**other multi-platform OSes
- PPC Linux vs X86 Linux,
- PPC BSD vs X86 BSD,
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Well, I have no interest in the product at all, but I wish Bernie all the best, and if the project goes ahead, I wish it great success.
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I would by a copy for sure!
kind regards, selco
http://selco.da.ru
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I'd buy at least one copy for sure. I'm starting to have more interest in Umilator than A1, especially with the possible cooperation between Hyperion and Bernie to include OS4 modules.
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Go go go Bernie
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I'd buy it for that price for sure!.... 100% for sure I'd buy it.
And to hell with the over-controlling zealots who want the community tied to punypc for their own personal zealous dillusions.
I say hear hear to Bernie and his efforts...I'd buy two copys just to support the man.
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If this product supported OS 4 features through compatible modules, then I'd seriously would buy a copy or two.
If Amiga OS 4 was on x86 I'd buy 5-10 copies and give them away, well minus 1 copy for myself.
Right now, I am saving and waiting on the AmigaONE G4 systems + OS 4. I don't want a PPC Linux box, I have Mac w/ OS X which suits me fine (Unix underneath) and I already have a dual proc Linux box (x86).