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Title: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Rogue on February 18, 2003, 10:35:18 PM
SciTech Software Inc. and Hyperion Entertainment VOF are pleased to announce they have enterered into a strategic partnership which will see SciTech's SNAP(tm) technology integrated into AmigaOS 4.x which is currently under development by Hyperion for PPC based systems.


SciTech SNAP, SciTech's leading edge graphics device support, allows for the rapid development and deployment of embedded solutions across
multiple platforms and currently already supports well over 170 different graphics chipsets including all the latest offerings from industry leaders ATI, nVidia and Matrox.

A full list of supported chipsets can be found here:

http://www.scitechsoft.com/chiplist/os2chiplist.html

"We are very excited about SNAP as it offers us out of the box support for a huge and ever growing number of graphics cards and effectively allows us to redirect resources away from device driver development and cut down on time to market", said Ben Hermans, managing partner of Hyperion. "We are convinced that prospective customers of AmigaOS 4.x will appreciate the high-performance, low footprint graphics card technology that SciTech has developed over many years."

"SciTech shares in the vision of the Amiga platform and is excited to play a key roll in the further development of the original multi-media OS." said, Andrew Bloo, Director of Marketing, SciTech Software Inc. "By adopting SciTech SNAP Graphics as the core graphics architecture for the Amiga OS, Amiga can now offer a level of performance and compatibility equal to that of any mainstream OS".

SciTech and Hyperion are set to broaden their cooperation to encompass 3D graphics support and support for other PPC based operating systems.

About SciTech Software Inc.

SciTech Software Inc. is a leading developer of next generation multi-OS device driver development tools for embedded, industrial and enterprise systems. SciTech Flagship product, SciTech SNAP Graphics,
is a robust display driver solution, with full 2D acceleration on more than 180 graphic chipsets. SciTech SNAP Technology enables hardware
manufactures to cut costs, speed time to market and reduce long-term support issues. Additionally SciTech SNAP provides hardware venders with the ability to explore the emerging embedded markets through a powerful, OS agnostic device driver abstraction layer. Enterprise customers benefit from the SciTech SNAP technology through the unified chip drivers, which allow IT managers to roll out a single display driver across an entire enterprise, drastically reducing associated test matrices and long-term support costs. SciTech also provides leading edge development tools for the embedded and industrial markets. These tools allow developers to quickly add support for new and or emerging OS'es and with the SciTech SNAP architecture instantly gain access to more than180 supported graphic chip sets.  Founded in 1994, SciTech Software Inc. is a privately held company, backed by the original investment of its founders and the ongoing sales of its leading edge solutions. SciTech Corporate offices are located in Chico, California.

For more information; please visit: http://www.scitechsoft.com.

About Hyperion Entertainment VOF

Hyperion Entertainment is a privately held Belgian-German company, founded in March of 1999.  The company specialises in 3D graphics and the conversion of top-quality entertainment software from Windows to niche-platforms including Amiga, Linux (x86,PPC) and MacOS (OS 9/X).  Hyperion Entertainment has undertaken contract-work in the field of 3D graphics for companies such as Monolith (www.lith.com) and has developed a mature, fast, small foot-print technology to bring 3D graphics to low power digital devices such as PDA's and STB's.

Hyperion is currently working on AmigaOS 4.0, a vastly enhanced PPC native incarnation of the groundbreaking OS introduced by Commodore in
1985.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 18, 2003, 10:39:21 PM
Thats excellent Hans-Joerg :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: odin on February 18, 2003, 10:40:48 PM
Weeeeeeeeeeee! :-)


But still.....3D support would be even better :-P.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 18, 2003, 10:45:07 PM
@Odin ... I think you should take a look at ann.lu (http://ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1045604173&category=news&start=1&16#message5) ;-)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: ikir on February 18, 2003, 10:56:02 PM
Yeah!!!! :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: ikir on February 18, 2003, 10:58:42 PM
Some quotes:


These drivers are fully accelerated.  In some case they even beat the "official" drivers.

We are also working with SciTech in the area of 3D drivers but obviously we will focus on the latest chipsets and chipsets for which we have documentation.


Good news!!! :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 18, 2003, 11:06:25 PM
And now AmigaOS 4.x will even get nVidia support :-D

Would be nice if Hyperion/Amiga could get some info from Apple ... now with nVidia support ... think about it ... the new AmigaOneBook ... the newest iBook with AmigaOS 4.x (iBook HAL) :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 18, 2003, 11:20:01 PM
I'm speechless.

I can't believe the way they are handeling this OS.
It's good all the way.

It's looking better and better.

Bringing todays technology to the Amiga.
No promises of another "new" product.

Just good old fashion common sense.

Supurb!!!

Now for a good old fashioned port over of an exellant browser.
Put a flame thrower to MUI!!!

I can feel it.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: odin on February 18, 2003, 11:26:30 PM
@hnl:

LOL! See....whining DOES work ;-).
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: JoannaK on February 18, 2003, 11:28:14 PM
Couple things they seem to forget to mention

Those listed drivers are for OS/2 ... X86 code.  Expecting them to be ported anytime soon would be daydreaming.

And.. this won't make AmigaOS4 to happen any faster. Most likely it'll instead slows down system integration.   :-(
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 18, 2003, 11:29:43 PM
It really doesn't matter anymore how long it takes.

Give me a call when it's done, and I'll be there.  :-o
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 18, 2003, 11:29:50 PM
@odin
Quote
@hnl:

LOL! See....whining DOES work .

 :lol:
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: LaBodilsen on February 18, 2003, 11:34:36 PM
Quote
Those listed drivers are for OS/2 ... X86 code. Expecting them to be ported anytime soon would be daydreaming.


Another quote from ANN by Ben H.:

SciTech will take care of porting SNAP to Linux PPC, we will take care of having SNAP run as a monitor driver for P96.
---
And from the Scitech homepage:

"SciTech SNAP drivers are source code portable between different microprocessor platforms, and the binary drivers are operating system portable within a particular microprocessor family. Hence the Intel x86 drivers can work on any 386+ CPU with any 32-bit operating system or environment supported on that CPU."
----
Scitech already have the drivers running for Linux X86.   so porting to LinuxPPC should be rather easy.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 18, 2003, 11:41:39 PM
JoannaK wrote:
Quote
Couple things they seem to forget to mention

Those listed drivers are for OS/2 ... X86 code. Expecting them to be ported anytime soon would be daydreaming.

And.. this won't make AmigaOS4 to happen any faster. Most likely it'll instead slows down system integration. :-(

Have a look at some of these links:
"How" it works (http://www.scitechsoft.com/products/embedded/sdk_home.html)
They are also making it for Linux (http://www.scitechsoft.com/products/enterprise/snap_linux.html)
Presentation of SNAP - PDF!!! (http://www.scitechsoft.com/pdf/snap_presentation.pdf)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 18, 2003, 11:44:23 PM
And now it's also on the SciTech website ... Great :-D

http://www.scitechsoft.com/news/press/amiga_partnership.html (http://www.scitechsoft.com/news/press/amiga_partnership.html) :-D  :-o  :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Blomberg on February 19, 2003, 12:02:35 AM
This is excellent news!!

Good on you, Hyperion  :pint:
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Calen on February 19, 2003, 12:06:59 AM
Great :-)

How long until we see this integrated into OS4?
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Wilse on February 19, 2003, 12:11:53 AM
This is good news but a little clarification on the status of OS4 would not go amiss, what with all the rumours that have been flying around lately.
 :-?

Robert.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 12:14:56 AM
and where did the rumos come from?

Hmmm?
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Ogy on February 19, 2003, 12:18:49 AM
More such a news would keep my fate stronger. Hope it will acctually happen... I do!!!
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Bodie on February 19, 2003, 12:27:20 AM
The virtual pints are on me  :pint:   :-D .
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 12:29:12 AM
I'll drink to that...

and I don't even drink.

heh...   :-?

(http://amiga.org/images/smilies/icon_drink.gif)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Bezzen on February 19, 2003, 12:46:22 AM
Sounds like great news to me.  :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Glaucus on February 19, 2003, 12:57:32 AM
Good news!

  - Mike
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 01:34:20 AM
I was  on the verge of giving in and buying a Pegasos.

I think im going to wait now

Thanks for the great news

 :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Herewegoagain on February 19, 2003, 01:48:19 AM
Ahhh... Good news indeed.  So this Geforce3Ti200 could see some action in my A1 yet!  It's about on par with the Radeon 8500, so that's one less thing for me to have to buy.

Hey, I've got a Savage2000 laying around too, I see I could also use that... very cool.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Bodie on February 19, 2003, 01:50:59 AM
Hmm, this means I also can rip out a Gforce ti 4200 from my bro's comp and use it in an a1 and he can use my Ati 9000 pro :-D . (At least eventually  ;-) )
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Herewegoagain on February 19, 2003, 01:52:48 AM
Quote
Hmm, this means I also can rip out a Gforce ti 4200 from my bro's comp and use it in an a1 and he can use my Ati 9000 pro  . (At least eventually  )


Yeah, that's a fair trade.   :lol:
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 02:06:14 AM
I'm going to bed now.

When I get up in the morning, I hope all this is still true.

Rock on Hyperion.
Stay kewl Amiga Inc.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: mr_homm on February 19, 2003, 05:30:28 AM
One thing that surprises me is that no one has mentioned an indirect benefit that the support for these old cards may have.  Part of Eyetech's business involves embedded systems based on old Amiga boards.  Since those are now in short supply, they need something to replace them, and of course they would prefer to stay with the familiar AOS.  In fact, this is clearly part of their motivation to promote the AmigaOne.

The PPC (especially the lower powered = fanless cpu) based Teron board with AOS4 is a nearly drop-in replacement for the old Amiga boards with AOS, just more modern.  That means that one of the larger customers for A1G3-SE boards may be Eyetech themselves, to supply their embedded market.

Therefore, these drivers for lots of different graphics chips might be exactly what they need for their embedded device business, where they won't be using modern high-powered (=hot && need fans) graphics cards.

Right now, any companies that remain in the Amiga market are mostly supported by their NON-Amiga-desktop business:   Hyperion is porting games to other platforms, Eyetech has their embedded business, Amiga Inc. is living on DE*, and Genesi is looking into STBs and Home entertainment servers.**
.
*I know, I know... there are various opinions on whether they are alive, whether DE produces any cash flow, or whether they have any relevance at all.  I'm just using them as another example.

**Again, there are various opinions on their relevance, but I'm just citing them as another example.

My point is that anything that helps support the outside (= profitable) business of one of these companies is a stabilizing influence on their Amiga business, which should be good for us all.   Maybe (well, there is a slight chance) increasing the sales volume of MAI's boards could cause the price to drop a bit.  I really don't know how the volume Eyetech does (or will do) compares with, for instance Teron sales due to the availability of Yellow Dog Linux on Teron boards.

Anyway, it seems like good news, although I'm not personally overexcited by it.

--mr-homm
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: ksk on February 19, 2003, 05:48:05 AM
I want the OS, not just those announcements.

I estimate that at the end of March I buy my next new computer. The main requirement: AmigaOS like OS.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 06:54:11 AM
Excellent news!
Since the first time I read an announcement from Hyperion, I believed in them. And this is another reason for me to think I'm right.

For those, complaining the new Amiga won't be no Amiga anymore I find the following quote very important
Quote

Hyperion is currently working on AmigaOS 4.0, a vastly enhanced PPC native incarnation of the groundbreaking OS introduced by Commodore in
1985.

A vastly enhanced OS must be different from its previous version. The IT market is the fastest changing market we can find. Changes and "mutations" (if we can call them like that) are part of this market and of "our" Amiga. Compare the Amiga 500 to the Amiga 4000T and the OS1.3 to OS3.1.
To me, the AmigaOne with AmigaOS4.0 is the greatest Amiga ever. And the next system I am going to buy.
Go on, Hyperion!!!
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: whabang on February 19, 2003, 07:09:30 AM
####ing great!!!(http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/1036668723.gif)

Hyperion has managed to do what AInc failed to do:
To get a partner to write something about the deal on their OWN web-site! :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: ksk on February 19, 2003, 08:05:59 AM
@whabang
>Hyperion has managed to do what AInc failed to do:
>To get a partner to write something about the deal
>on their OWN web-site!

Sendo announced the Amiga deal on their main pages.
Nokia announced the Amiga deal on their official developer web site.
Microsoft have announced/written about Amiga things.
etc...

(IIRC, Sharp used Amiga stickers and mentioned only intent on their web sites)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: whabang on February 19, 2003, 08:51:27 AM
@ksk
Never noticed. OK, I was wrong then... :-)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: trgse on February 19, 2003, 09:16:56 AM
there is no indication that this will be included with 4.0 since it states 4.x it is more likely that the drivers will be ported a bit at a time
(probably depending on several factors) the first
drivers might not even appear in 4.0 but in 4.2.

noticed that a couple of manufacturers was absent
(KRYO and TI to mention two).
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Eric_Z on February 19, 2003, 09:31:24 AM
I want more support MORE I TELL YOU!!!! ;-)

But honestly trgse are you dissapointed with the current list?
(that being said, I have to admit that the "greedy" parts of me would like to have ATI fire GL card support and support for other pro cards)

But all in all if this partnership is productive, this is good news indeed.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: hnl_dk on February 19, 2003, 09:49:16 AM
trgse wrote:
Quote
there is no indication that this will be included with 4.0 since it states 4.x it is more likely that the drivers will be ported a bit at a time
(probably depending on several factors) the first
drivers might not even appear in 4.0 but in 4.2.

noticed that a couple of manufacturers was absent
(KRYO and TI to mention two).


It's not important that it will be included in AmigaOS 4.0 ... as it will work as a "driver" for P96 (as UAEgfx) it will not be needed to change P96 to use it ... so if AmigaOS 4.0 get released without it, then it could get included,  just by downloading that part (could be BB1) ... just my own thoughts - think I'm right ... but maybe it will be included in AmigaOS 4.0 as Hyperion "only" need to make the virtual driver for P96 ... the SNAP drivers will be the same as for PPC-Linux :-D And those should only need to be compiled for PPC :-o
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: samo79 on February 19, 2003, 09:55:08 AM
This is superb news!!
I was love Hyperion and now I love them more then in the past !!....because he don't speach more....he Work hard and superbly!.....

W Hyperion !! amd W Amiga Inc. also....

samo79

http://digilander.libero.it/samo79
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Gryfon on February 19, 2003, 09:58:55 AM
Kyro II's have been noticeably absent from local stores for some time now...the low end GeForce 3's have been oustselling them for months.   Not a greate loss that they're not supported, although I suppose a lot of people have Kyro based graphics cards out there....
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Kay on February 19, 2003, 10:57:41 AM
What seemed to be a good move at first, is now increasingly looking like a brilliant one. At first I saw just the list of currently supported cards, and it looked quite nice. But when considering what this also means for future graphics card support, and how it makes AOS4 a lot more viable in the embedded market, the true importance of this announcement starts to sink in. Hyperion has just solved the entire problem of 2d graphics card support for AmigaOS4, not only for now, but for quite some time.

Way to go, Hyperion! Looking forward to seing this damn thing released! ;-)

Kay
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Rogue on February 19, 2003, 11:02:54 AM
Joanna, what part of "os-agnostic" didn't you understand.

Next thing you are telling me is that XFree86 is x86 too, right?

No, it doesn't slow things down. Stop making these things up  :-)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: whabang on February 19, 2003, 11:27:42 AM
Quote
although I suppose a lot of people have Kyro based graphics cards out there....

Oh, yeah. That ol' baby hasn't failed me yet.
Not a very good performer anymore, but it'll do for most games ( UT 2003 runs like a dream ).
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Herewegoagain on February 19, 2003, 12:50:49 PM
Quote
noticed that a couple of manufacturers was absent


Yeah.  Maybe they will be supported at some point.  There is also no support for SIS Xaber chips, but with all of the others listed there, its hard to not be excited over the one's that are supported.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: ACE on February 19, 2003, 01:16:52 PM
Did everyone notice the mobile GFX chipsets supported in there.  One step closer to my dream, a laptop Amiga, efficent operating system, PPC chips with low power requirements.  Come on you hardware people give me, no give the world what they've been waiting for...

...er sorry!  :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: MrZammler on February 19, 2003, 02:31:57 PM
All your GFX cards, are belong to us.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Elektro on February 19, 2003, 03:27:55 PM
Hehehehe  ;-)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 03:58:08 PM
@ Rouge:

I was actually pleased to see Joanna’s comments so early in this tread. I can always count on a negative remark from her and this one coming so soon in the thread without any real point gave me a hint this was really good news for the Amiga effort.... as I read on, it certainly is.  

Good work Hyperion- keep on keepin’ on!

Bob C.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: DanDude on February 19, 2003, 04:04:36 PM
*applaudes (on partnership)*

...and the OS release date is? (I really hate to be pushy, but I'm still patiently waiting.  :-) )
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Bobsonsirjonny on February 19, 2003, 04:55:02 PM
I have bits left over - as OS 4 gets more compatability I'm gonna save loads of money!!! I may just be abe to afford one now!

Thanks!!! :-D :pint:
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: jedi on February 19, 2003, 06:13:19 PM
Here, I applaud Hyperion.

Hyperion Entertainment, or how forget the delays & doubts about AmigaOS4, by only a spectacular announce.

Day + 50 to see AmigaOS4 on classic AmigaPPC announced for the end of year 2002,
Day - 20 to see AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne at CeBIT 2003 as officially announced on www.amiga.com.

We usually say "wait and see", but with Hyperion (and Amiga Inc) is more "wait" than "see".

Now, I wish you a good dream...
Personnally, I stay in the reality with my concrete Pegasos/MorphOS ;-)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Crumb on February 19, 2003, 06:51:30 PM
Well done Hyperion!

It's funny to see the reactions of some MorphOS zealots.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: SlimJim on February 19, 2003, 07:02:10 PM
Quote
Personnally, I stay in the reality with my concrete Pegasos/MorphOS

 
Good for you. Have fun with your Pegasos/MOS combo and
let the rest of us dwell in peace down here at the foot of your
shiny pedestal.
.
SlimJim
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Warface on February 19, 2003, 08:00:12 PM
Sounds good. This partnership may come handy.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Rogue on February 19, 2003, 08:02:56 PM
Quote
Personnally, I stay in the reality with my concrete Pegasos/MorphOS  


You are free to do so, but as you said, this is "personally". I wonder, though, why you need to post this here. The only reason I can think of is that you are trolling.

Get this into your head: This doesn't concern you. You are a MOS/Pegasos user, so why do you feel the urge to comment..?

Oh yes, slandering. That's what folks like you do best.

For you Pegasos might be real. So is AmigaOS for the beta testers. For the general public, both are invisible.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Rogue on February 19, 2003, 08:09:51 PM
Quote
It's funny to see the reactions of some MorphOS zealots.


You see, we speculated on the comments we'd get. I was pretty sure that some folks would be downright "normal" again (if you know what I mean), but then, I thought that in general this is good news.

Of course, something is always wrong. I expected to hear "but I only need one graphics card in my Amiga, not 180", and "My xxx is doing fine here", and got them both in the first twenty or so comments on Amiga-news.de.

I was completely taken by surprise that someone (on amiga-news.de too) claimed that "amigaos would become more like Linux now" and that suddenly "a Linux-Virus would run on AmigaOS too".  Just goes to show that human imagination knows no frontiers  :-D
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: FuZion on February 19, 2003, 08:48:35 PM
Damn good news I reckon!

Just the beginning maybe?

Keep it up Hyperion!!!
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: JoannaK on February 19, 2003, 09:09:00 PM
@rogue
Quote
No, it doesn't slow things down. Stop making these things up


Ok.. How about some simple math.. You do the division for us:

Hyperion is extremely small company. It's no secret. With limited manpower and resources.  How many of you keep on making OS4 and how many start working on these new and exiting extra drivers (including 3D extensions)?

In my books this situation is quite obvious. And I do respect your right doing paid-up contract works for funding further OS4 development.  And I think Hermans have made smart move targetting to Embeded/STB markets. But I still would like you being more honest about these delays and schedules. Keeping people waiting forever ain't polite, especially when it's done couple months at a time.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: SlimJim on February 19, 2003, 09:20:58 PM
@Rogue
 
Well, at least the majority reacted positively to this
announcment (I for one can use my ATI Rage Pro I got lying
around). I think what darkens the waters for us is the lack
of news on progress of the OS itself (especially the
Cebit-be-or-not-to-be and the Alt-WOA comments are rather
unnerving).
 It reminds us (or me at least) far too much of
the silence at the end of the Collas' reign when the MCC
was to be released "very soon". I'm not saying it's the
same as then (it's not), but the silence itself leaves a
familiar metallic taste of uncertainty in the back of my
mouth.
 The announced launch is creeping up on you, guys.
Soon it's time to start presenting stuff. We are standing
here with our wallets raised. We are only waiting for you
to start selling it to us...!
.
SlimJim
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 10:43:00 PM
Well, if you'll notice, someone else is being very quiet too.

That would be bbrv and the rest of his hirelings.

Has nothing to do with product.
It has to do with lawyers saying, "keep your mouth quiet".

As far as Ceebit.
It really doesn't matter .

What does matter is to know that OS4 is still being worked on, and will be brought out when it's ready.

I, for one, will be waiting for it.   ;-)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: greenboy on February 19, 2003, 11:27:18 PM
Quote
Mountain_Myst : Well, if you'll notice, someone else is being very quiet too. That would be bbrv and the rest of his hirelings. Has nothing to do with product. It has to do with lawyers saying, "keep your mouth quiet".

Only with resentment could someone say "hireling" as if there was something wrong with being paid for hard work ; }  In fact all European Genesi management and core development teams are in meetings for the entire week.

Congratulations, Hyperion: it's good to see the signs of progress.
 
 
<-- greenboy ---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium (http://phinixi.com)
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 19, 2003, 11:45:12 PM
Well I'm shocked that someone would shove me into a box and say that that's the way I have to be.

You should have said, "I think, only with resentment".

I said what I said because of the fact I have been watching the forums for a couple of months now, and I seen a certain enviornment from 3 certain individuals.
A path.
A mode.
A plan.

It's not with resentment.
It's with paying attention to what's going on around me.
And it's also my opinion.

Please, don't try to put me into a class of people.
People are different all over the world, and I am an individual.
Just because you say that I have to be a certain way, does not make it so.

I am my own mind, thank you.

And I'm not talking about what you are talking about apparently.

Some people know exactly what I'm talking about.
Others don't have a clue.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Hammer on February 20, 2003, 12:21:24 AM
Quote

Hyperion is extremely small company. It's no secret. With limited manpower and resources. How many of you keep on making OS4 and how many start working on these new and exiting extra drivers (including 3D extensions)?
 

Is He obligated to reveal that?
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: greenboy on February 20, 2003, 12:32:54 AM
I hardly think a few words with a wink at the end is a shove. SHOVES have lots of caps and exclamation points. And maybe some bad words. I try to stay away from those.

I'm not much into sullen conspiracies either. Or Bizarro World Desideratas ; }
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Blitter on February 20, 2003, 03:37:02 AM
Well, It's been quite some time since I've spent any quaility time at AO.  I must say, there is a lot of reading for me to catch up on.  :-D

This was a good start.  I'm happy to see that AOS 4.0 seems to be progressing nicely.

If AOS 4.0 lives up to all the features listed in the feature update + this and is out within the next 3 months.  Then I will say.. "EXCELLENT work Hyperion. Now take a well deserved vacation!" :-P

Blitter
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: redfox on February 20, 2003, 04:16:53 AM
Great news....    :-D
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redfox
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Helgis75 on February 20, 2003, 11:05:26 AM
After reading about the alliance, i have to say this is impressive news, and this will make the porting of 2D/3D-drivers for AmigaOS a whole lot more simple, and certainly saving a lot of time and strenght!

The possibility to get into the embedded market with AmigaOS is also an interesting one, and could prove to become very popular also :-) They have definitely done an impressive work, and it's well worth the delay, and is now as i see it, soon ready for release! The Amiga companies are really taking the Amiga very serious!!! Good works, guys! Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Nick on February 20, 2003, 11:20:17 AM
What a waste of time! I`ve just spent what feels like half my life reading this page. :-) Oh well it was fun. I`m glad to hear that there has been a 99% good feeling about this. I`m with that 99% of people.

Somepeople wouldn`t know good news if it bit them on the nose. :-)

Good one Hyperion. Keep up the good work and please hurry up, my wallet is waiting with vast anticipation.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Rogue on February 20, 2003, 12:02:58 PM
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JoannaK wrote:
Hyperion is extremely small company. It's no secret. With limited manpower and resources. How many of you keep on making OS4 and how many start working on these new and exiting extra drivers (including 3D extensions)?  


If there hadn't been SciTech and SNAP, we wouldn't be doing the 3D stuff but also the 2D stuff. As you will clearly admit, neither the 2D nor the 3D drivers write themselves, and now at least half of that burden (the 2D part) has been taken away from us. I would like to hear how this makes up for a delay... I'd rather call this a speedup, because the 3D drivers would have been done by us anyway...


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But I still would like you being more honest about these delays and schedules.


You are an engineer yourself. You should know that engineering work is highly unpredictable. Sometimes you can't really estimate how long something is going to take. Sometimes you overestimate, and can make more progress in a day that you have done in two weeks before. A schedule is only really lost once the day it was scheduled for arrives.

I am honest, as far as I can tell. If I say I expect things to be finished at this date, I do expect them to be finished at that date.

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Keeping people waiting forever ain't polite, especially when it's done couple months at a time.


"Polite", yes... Politeness is something that is completely lost in this "community". You should see the remarks I need to read. Fact  is, we're working on the tightest budget possible, under the most uncomfortable conditions. I get daily reminders from people waiting for OS 4. I'm sorry, but I don't really have time for being polite. Every time you want to make a public statement, you need to collect data, have people write something up, make a document about it (and have to listen to people compain about the font afterwards).
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: JoannaK on February 20, 2003, 05:36:51 PM
@rogue
Ok. Thanks for reply.

From previous information I have been left into assumption you allready have enough 2D drivers coming up with this ForeFront deal and older P96. If there is real and acute need to support all those 100+ other chipset varants then I  agree it sounds good deal. Normally I had preferred you to implement and test only few key systems (like Radeon and perhaps some of matrox) of new ones cause I would belive thos being most needed with OS4-Aone.

Yes.. Have seen..  It's darn easy to fall into that trap. And with some eager marketting thowing in some hype...  And stack those announcements and promices few times atop of each other. It soon becomes an ugly  mess  :-(

Those frustrated user comments can be deadly. Especially after people have been mislead by way too overoptimistic speeches by too many corporate leaders way too many years. It'll hit back one way or another. You are not cause (nor legitimite target)  to most of it but unfortunately you are now in position where people are looking you and expecting you to sort it sort it all out.

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Ah..  a smallish announcement.. I have decided to stop commenting OS4/Aone situation now for a while at least. At this point more commenting won't do any good to ideas I'm after. And OS4 what it is at this point, and as long as this state keeps on A-one ain't anything I would consider interesting.

So, I'll see when you have got it all together. Hopefully you have something to show us all some day.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Methuselas on February 20, 2003, 05:52:10 PM
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"Polite", yes... Politeness is something that is completely lost in this "community". You should see the remarks I need to read. Fact is, we're working on the tightest budget possible, under the most uncomfortable conditions. I get daily reminders from people waiting for OS 4. I'm sorry, but I don't really have time for being polite. Every time you want to make a public statement, you need to collect data, have people write something up, make a document about it (and have to listen to people compain about the font afterwards).


Touche!  :-D  That' exactly what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Rogue on February 20, 2003, 06:02:21 PM
@Joanna
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From previous information I have been left into assumption you allready have enough 2D drivers coming up with this ForeFront deal and older P96.


There can never be enough driver support. Older P96 and ForeFront's drivers wouldn't have included things like GeForce and the latest Radeons (at least not for now), and also no Matrox support yet. While the usual selection needs to be done in respect to the 3D drivers (GeForce is still highly unlikely), chances are that someone with no gaming/3D interest and a GeForce will still want to use that on his AmigaOne...

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Normally I had preferred you to implement and test only few key systems


One of the strongs points of SciTech SNAP is that is *is* a tested, proven system. There is no need to go through a prolonged testing of each and every driver, since those drivers that we will get are already known to work, and any issues discovered and fixed on other systems will carry over to the Amiga. Besides, their list is constantly expanding, something that we would have a hard time keeping up, if at all.

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You are not cause (nor legitimite target) to most of it but unfortunately you are now in position where people are looking you and expecting you to sort it sort it all out.  


Unfortunately, once you are targeted, it doesn't matter that you are a legitimte target. I must say that Amiga.org is one of the civilized places. Believe it or not by german sites are usually the worst.

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And OS4 what it is at this point, and as long as this state keeps on A-one ain't anything I would consider interesting.


For me it is the center of my computing universe.
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: SlimJim on February 20, 2003, 09:53:08 PM
@Rogue
 
Well, amiga.org generally tends to be a little more docile
than other sites (all is relative of course ;-)). It's very
appreciated (as always) to have you posting on here. The
AOS4 ML on Yahoo has completely lost its value to me
after you and Thomas left.
 
I don't think I have to point out to you that most (including
most of the prominent doommongers, no matter what they
say now) will be positively extatic once you
release the darn thing.
 
 I think I know the people in here good enough now to say
that I already can see see some of their posts for my inner
eye... Ahhh. The future...
 
When the waiting-frustration (finally) fades away, the tone
of the community forums will change drastically to the
better is my guess.
.
SlimJim
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: Hammer on February 21, 2003, 01:31:23 AM
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From previous information I have been left into assumption you allready have enough 2D drivers coming up with this ForeFront deal and older P96.

I thought it was never enough i.e. missing nVidia support (at least the MacOS and OS/2 platforms supports this family).

Why are you assuming this particular POV (just curious)?
Title: Re: SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership
Post by: System on February 21, 2003, 10:42:43 PM

@Rogue

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There can never be enough driver support.

Has Hyperion or SciTech ever thought about implementing Metabyte's parallel graphics technology or something similar of your own design?

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Once upon a time, a clever little company called Metabyte created a parallel graphics technology code-named the "Wicked3D Stepsister" which allowed two nVidia TNT cards to be used in a combination of 2x PCI or AGP with PCI.

Not to be confused with two Voodoo 2 cards in SLI, which would render odd or even lines. Metabyte's process of rendering images from two sources separates the entire image into two sections: top & bottom. The driver then sends the render information to the appropriate board so that rendering occurs in parallel on the two boards. This offers the absolute advantage of reduced CPU overhead whilst making the whole operation more seamless. Instead of a 50:50 image processing split between the two cards, the split ratio is determined by the independent performance of each card.

This technology allows graphics cards to run in a parallel configuration using any existing chip on the market and can be applied to any future chipset. The application of this technology will yield a 40+ percent increase in performance and will double megapixel per second fill rate of a dual card configuration over a single card. Another advantage is that it allows the use of dual monitors like a Matrox card and can switch back to a single monitor when high performance is required.

With a little imagination & programming skill it should be possible to combine virtually any two graphics cards in a PCI/AGP combination.

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