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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: SHADES on October 03, 2003, 03:02:02 AM
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After everyhing is taken into account, the one thing I really would like to see is
AMIGAOS-Server
Or some other multi client ability.
Fine by me to use 3rd party DNS stuff etc, but security and multi client ability is what I would love to see.
Memeory protection and all the other stuff I can still go witout, but I run Linux and win for the need to have this OS function. Dont get me wrong, I use the AMi for day to day, browse etc but not multiclent.
I wonder if this will ever be planned.
Your thoughts?
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an X-Server (or a port of Xfree86 similar to the Cygwin/XF86 on Windows)
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well, it's not a huge thing, but a decent mp3 player, replete with visualisations and easy management of playlists, similar to latest versions of WinAMP.
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A decent office suite, + a few unique apps that makes OS4 desirable for non-amigans...
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What would you like AMIGA OS4/xx to have out of necessity
A free t-shirt?
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:lol: How about the shirts people paid for?
Even better: How about a public apology? (sorry we are late...)
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getting pretty BORING! to see the t-shirt scam mentioned in here aswell.
i would love to see this in os4: A DECENT BROWSER , tired of not beeing able to view all sites properly.
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:lol:
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i wonder why people have to type such ####? , do u do it for fun or are u paid to do so?
Relax, man! It was a joke!
About the browser part, isn't there supposed to come a special, spiced-up version of Ibrowse with OS4? :-?
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Reason 2.5, Logic audio and OctaMED all running at the same time (Rewired, MIDI and audio linked) without latency and glitches on a potable/laptop sub £1000 machine, with excelent stability.
That's all it would take for me to switch to AOS4.0.
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Simple and effective programming tools.
Standardised APIs for all aspects of the computer: graphics (2D, 3D), audio, input, system (hardware, memory, ...) management.
Stability. (Old Amigas just don't cut it.)
Simple and effective office and internet suite.
Simple and effective productivity tools (music and DVD player, CD/DVD-burning program, paint program, scanning program, ...)
Ports of Unreal Tournament 2003, Civilization (all versions), Diablo II; good implementations of classic card- and boardgames such as backgammon, chess, Monopoly, etc. (Rather like Minesweeper, but a little different.)
Simple price: $500 at most.
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I would want good support for DVD/SVCD/Avi etc and a good browser (Gecko based maybe?). And some nice client for SSH would be a must have.
OS4 on the Aone-lite with the above would make a nice box for a home entertainment system.
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A decent browser for sure, otherwise it will never fly...
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Staying on topic:
- a ShapeShifter like Macintosh emulator, but for PPC
- an UAE with JIT
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Cyberus wrote:
well, it's not a huge thing, but a decent mp3 player, replete with visualisations and easy management of playlists, similar to latest versions of WinAMP.
Under AmigaOS 68k, Amithlon, MorphOS you can use SongPlayer. It's the best audio player as I see.
amigadev.free.fr/songplayer/
It features:
- MP3 support
- OggVorbis support
- others format aiff, ...
- CDDA support
- playlist
Visual effect ? to come
Ok, I'm (with a friend) the actual develloper of that soft :-)
Bye
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@ Nicolas
I might check that out, thanks!
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just support the AmigaONE and release it already...then for the next version, I would like to see ODBC or OLE-DB support.
.NET architecture, similar to the mono project on linux.
OK, thats enough for now :-)
will never happen, of course.
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Complaining about the t-shirt is dumb. Everybody knows, including the people who bought them, that they weren't buying a t-shirt. It was a partial payment on a new Amiga.
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by Cymric on 2003/10/3 12:19:02
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Simple price: $500 at most.
Hmmm - for the OS?! :-)
My votes go to:
"Office" applications
Compliant we-browser
PDA synchronisation utility
Video editing software
Music editing software
Fully documented development environment
i.e. Stuff that can be used on a daily basis, along with niche stuff that will get OS4 used in professional industries.
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Free games! Like minesweeper or soliataire.
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
Free games!
I have to disagree here ;) I would like to see commercial games, all kind of commercial games, ported or not, I don't care, just to be able to run on AOS4.
later,
levelLORD
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May I also suggest a free coffee mug?
:-P
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the most important application is a decent web browser.
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Immediate efforts in:
1. Cool GNU stuff: a decent SSH client. Not sure what the current state of existing SSH client is. Perhaps it is fine as it is. PuTTY would suffice.
2. X sever (or client, if you prefer). If I had good SSH/XF86, I could use my miggy as my main PC and shell to my x86 trash box as necessary.
3. The GNU dev tools. GCC 3.3 & friends (binutils, gmake etc.). geekgadgets (http://www.geekgadgets.org/docs/GG-Projects_toc.html) projects list - some more of these could be polished/worked on. I see that m68k GCC 3.3 is in an "alpha" directory. Cool :-)
4. More cool GNU stuff. It will be hard to get used to AmigaOS again after being in Linux land for so long... perl, sed, awk, grep, find, cat... too much to list, but you know what I'm talking about.
5. GTK+. There is work on this already.
6. Abiword. Gotta start small, get something out the door. OpenOffice would need a herd of super mega turbo psycho killer monkeys. I've downloaded the source and had a "look" (HAHA!). *scary*. It would take months to learn their special coding conventions, policies, techniques, let alone the OpenOffice architecture. Apparently it's a whore to debug.
Considering the Macintosh team expect to be 12 months behind Solaris/Linux/Win32 with OOo 2.0, our poor miggy has buckleys with a native Reaction port of any sort... anything that could eventually be ported would be a X11 hack.
7. Mozilla. Anything mozilla.
Everything else, email, IRC, it's basically there in Amiga land already and I'm sure will be updated with a flurry of activity once AmigaOS4 is out the door so there won't be too much need to port *everything* from GNU land, IRC, email, downloaders, MP3/OGG players, etc.
8. But finally: most hardcore coders seem to shun glitzy IDEs, but I only like to use vim for making quick hacks/modifications from the command line when I couldn't be stuffed launching Anjuta and navigating a project tree... (emacs can go away :-) For the long haul I like Anjuta (I've said this before).
Providing a complete package of Anjuta, GCC3.3 for PPC, with working SDL/OpenGL/GTK/Glade/ReAction templates (oh yeah, that would need glade as well..) would be great, a platform has to have at least one glitzy IDE and it might as well be Anjuta! (although VICE or something would probably be easier).
Failing Anjuta, I'd be happy with a port of Scite, based on Scintilla, used in the Anjuta editor... cool syntax highlighting with nifty keybindings and a compiler output window.
I'd like to chuck in wxWindows too since I think it's a technically brilliant product, but the effort required could probably be "better" spent elsewhere (damn).
I'm going to code as much on AmigaOS4 as I can when I get it... I can envisage myself starting with trying to help with the GTK+ port as long as (1) is met first.
Items 1 to 4: These are probably not of interest to general users but would help set up a good working environment for developers.. or at least it's what I want before I start "work" :-) (5) is the key to a lot of free GNU/GPL software.
About (3) - I've had crazy ideas that perhaps Cygwin could be a good starting point - call it CygAmi ;-) I wonder if a magical Perl script could magically turn all the Cygwin code into AmigaOS4 PPC binaries :-D (magically).
- Paul
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by SHADES on 2003/10/3 13:02:02
After everyhing is taken into account, the one thing I really would like to see is
AMIGAOS-Server
Or some other multi client ability.
That's beyond the scope of AmigaOS. The best I am hoping for is SMP support. That is going to be tricky.
Leave the boring server stuff to the ones who do it best - *nix. DHCP, DNS, ftp, web servers, email, nfs, file serving, multiple remote clients (ssh, XFree86) - all these things have taken years to mature and have had thousands of coders behind them.
For AmigaOS, we want games and multimedia - probably only thing Amiga can possibly hope to aim for and not get laughed off the stage for trying. Remember when Macintosh weenies tried to tell you their MacOS7/8/9 boxes were a server of *any* sort and you laughed so hard you made them cry? No? Ok perhaps it was just me, but like Macintosh Sys. 7/8/9, AmigaOS is not a server OS. Not even a little bit. We should not try to be something that we are not.
SMP? Hopefully. Multiple profiles? Maybe. Multiple remote GUI logins with networked user accounts NIS/LDAP style? Don't think so. A NAT/Firewall for your office LAN? Sure you could, it's your loss - that's what old junk P166MMXs are for!
AmigaOS puts the Personal in PC. I think it would be great for Games/Multimedia/Surf/Email/Word processing. The other option AmigaOS has is some sort of embedded market. Petunia could even replace the Tao elate VM/bytecode stuff in the AmigaDE (to some extent!) and AOS4 could be ported to some other CPU (Motorola Coldfire, Hitachi SH4, ARM) but still have binary compatibility via Petunia.
I could certainly see an AmigaOS powered phone or PDA of some sort... of course, getting it into industry means testing, standards compliance, support&service&guarantees, development kits that don't suck, and marketing to OEMs while competing with every other Tom, #### and Harry's embedded "RTOS"...
Of course, this all drunken ramblings of a sedated madman...
- Paul
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Seeing as it looks like this has turned from OS to apps, here I my Apps:-
A decent code editor, with syntax colouring, auto indenting, and bracket/brace matching.
A KHTML based browser like Safari, small and fast.
An iTunes style Music package, CD/MP3/Rip/Internet radio package without all that skinning nonsense and decent playlist compatibilities
An iPhoto style digital camera album/download program
An updated version of WebPlug, perhaps with CSS suport and using XHTML rules (the tags are a little mixed in current versions). Webplug is simply excellent.
An RTF word processor, doesn't need to be flash, just to be able to handle different fonts/colours, lists, tables and pictures (the RTF spec allows for all these). things like a spell checker, wordcount etc. as well.
As you can see I'm pretty heavily influenced by the Mac, but what ever you say about Apple, they do good software with the OS.
I *need* things like Photoshop, Director, Soundforge, Premier, Final Cut, Illistrator and others to do things for my degree, but I'm a realist :-D
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BeOS style Replicants.
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Release date and sales! :-/
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Cyberus wrote:
well, it's not a huge thing, but a decent mp3 player, replete with visualisations and easy management of playlists, similar to latest versions of WinAMP.
WinAmps crap IMHO. I think RealOne player, MusicMatch or the mac players are far better.
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T_Bone wrote:
BeOS style Replicants.
That sounds interesting, what are they?
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Songplayer :-)
Forgot all about that, fantastic program