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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Retail News / Sales => Topic started by: ikepgh on February 02, 2003, 10:02:00 PM
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Glashuetten, 28. January 2003: H&P has a special offer for all Amiga developers - for just 49,95 EUR you can get the complete version of our C/C++ development system StormC 4. As there has not been much movement in the Amiga software field during the past two years we want to get find out if there is still interest in such a development system.
http://www.haage-partner.com/e.htm
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As there has not been much movement in the Amiga software field during the past two years
After the "incident" with Amithlon why am i not surprised.
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I don't care if they're selling it for $1.00, until they settle some agreement with Bernie about Amithlon I will never buy any H&P products. Instead I'd use the freely available gcc which is what StormC is based on.
- Mike
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Word Up!!!
I agree.
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Amen
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Poster: ikepgh Date: 2003/2/2 17:02:00
Glashuetten, 28. January 2003: H&P has a special offer for all Amiga developers - for just 49,95 EUR you can get the complete version of our C/C++ development system StormC 4. As there has not been much movement in the Amiga software field during the past two years we want to get find out if there is still interest in such a development system.
So coders should shell out cash to a company that takes advantage of coders? Yeah, right....
Dammy
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Aaaargh! This is really annoying. On the one hand I *really* want an IDE for GCC on tha Amiga, on the other hand I don't want to give cash to H&P until they can amicably resolve their differences with Bernie... :-(
It sucks to be an Amiga user right now...
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LOL, On the front page is a nice little bit of text:
This offer will run a limited time only - so order you copy of the development system not at the special price of 49,95 EUR.
LOL :-o :-o :-D
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Incidentally, because of this:
"we want to get find out if there is still interest in such a development system."
I have emailed them telling them that they would have a definate sale from me if it wasn't for the whole Amithlon situation.
I urge anyone who would DEFINATELY buy this product, but is reluctant to do so for the same reasons to email them and LET THEM KNOW that they are losing sales and why.
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Now I have had no problems from H&P, I have bought the DevCD from them along with 3.5 and ROMs. I would also like to buy Storm 4.
But I can't.
Why? See previous posts.
H&P need to sort it out.
I had no intention of buying Bernithlon (or whatever is was to be called) yet am appalled by the actions of, what I thought was, a reputable company.
Allen
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Poster: Allen Date: 2003/2/3 5:27:04
Now I have had no problems from H&P, I have bought the DevCD from them along with 3.5 and ROMs. I would also like to buy Storm 4.
But I can't.
Best way for you to help resolve this ugly mess is by sending email to H&P and let them know why they are losing yet another sale because of their mistreatment of Bernd.
I do applaud those coders out there who understand if the individual coders do not stand together on this issue, they could be the next to be "bernd" by a publisher.
Dammy
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for just 49,95 EUR
Had I not bought it two years ago when it was at its full price, I would pick it up now.
It's too bad what happened with Bernie and the Amithlon, but it's not going to keep me from buying future H&P products. They did right by me with past purchases, and for that they deserve my future patronage.
AmiGod
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@dammy
Hopefully H&P will read this thread. With a mail they don't like they can just delete it ( I know I do that! ). This thread however will stay...IMHO :)
@AmiGOD
If we disregard Bernies trials and tribs for a mo' remember also that H&P are selling unlicensed (effectively stolen/pirate) software i.e the AmigaXL package which contains Amiga Inc stuff. Making H&P pirates and in my book a bad bunch.
No more sales from me.
"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country" - JFK
Kinda sums it for me.
Allen
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tststst why can't people stick to the facts instead of
wild speculation.
Fact 1: It was AInc who forced Bernie to sign with H&P.
Fact 2: AInc spoke of a "fully licenced product" for months.
Fact 3: It has been 16 months since Amithlon went on sale,
but sofar no legal actions have been taken.
(and no whatever "supersecret" actions have been taken by AInc
didn't stop Bernie from giving up).
Fact 4: StormC is still the best way for a beginner to
start with C++ on the Amiga.
That is what is known, but not what was agreed between AInc and
H&P regarding OS3.9, OS4, Amithlon, between H&P and Bernie ....
Do I think that there will be StormC5 ? Not really.
Do I think AmithlonXL will be a step forward (if ever released) ? No.
Still doesn't change the fact that we don't know who is right and
who is wrong in this awfull mess.
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Allen,
If we disregard Bernies trials and tribs for a mo' remember also that H&P are selling unlicensed (effectively stolen/pirate) software i.e the AmigaXL package which contains Amiga Inc stuff. Making H&P pirates and in my book a bad bunch.
If Haage & Partner really did sell the software while knowing it wasn't licensed by Bernie, then yes, I think they did wrong. But until they do wrong by me directly, I will not stop dealing with them. They do and sell great products, and they have a right to sell them. Just like you have a right to not buy them.
I do however wonder how many people boycotting H&P, have chosen to uninstall AmigaOS 3.9 from their Amigas in protest. :-P
AmiGod
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I do however wonder how many people boycotting H&P, have chosen to uninstall AmigaOS 3.9 from their Amigas in protest.
Well said. People say: "Boycott StormC V4", but if some new person enters the forum they´ll say: "Buy OS3.9" - Contradiction....
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Best way for you to help resolve this ugly mess is by sending email to H&P and let them know why they are losing yet another sale because of their mistreatment of Bernd
I did that very thing a while back.
I reckon it was ignored.
No reply.
Good suggestion though.
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Can anyone tell me where to get the gcc compiler from? is it on aminet? does it come with any good doco's?
Also, anyone out there thats usings stormC 4, can you tell me if its good/bad/ugly and if it is worth the discounted asking price? (disregarding the amilthon debate)
I thought i might get back to coding some simple apps for my old mildy expanded A1200 (68030@50Mhz+8Mb Ram) but i would like a decent IDE + docs & help but...
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@teotwin
ftp://ftp.geekgadgets.org/pub/geekgadgets/amiga/m68k/alpha/gcc/
I has good docs in amigaguide format. Also check http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-2.95.3/gcc.html (http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-2.95.3/gcc.html)
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Can anyone tell me where to get the gcc compiler from? is it on aminet? does it come with any good doco's?
Try http://www.geekgadgets.org and get gcc 2.95.3 and related gg tools. The version on Aminet is even older and should be avoided. The docs are not very good but if you follow to the letter, you should at least get the thing installed. Get the OS3.9 NDK from Amiga Inc. Be prepared to download 20-25 MB total. This will need 50 MB or so on your HD.
Also, anyone out there thats usings stormC 4, can you tell me if its good/bad/ugly and if it is worth the discounted asking price?
Depends on your needs. To get started with C, the free gcc and the free Amiga NDK are all you need. With StormC, you get additional parts, such as a debugger, an editor, gui-driven make etc. If time is worth anything to you, 49 EUR is an excellent deal. You will save yourself the hassle of downloading and installing countless parts, and on top of that get software not available freely, such as the debugger.
(68030@50Mhz+8Mb Ram)
Don't even think about using gcc with that setup, it would be very painful. gcc is hardly usable on machines 20 times faster than your hardware. For your system, I'd recommend SAS/C (via ebay). It comes with a debugger. If it has to be free, try DICE. Another free option is vbcc, which, unlike DICE, is still supported. But I have no idea how fast it is on a 030 with 8 MB RAM. If I may give you an advice, get rid of that horrible setup ASAP. A cheap used PC with WinUAE (100 EUR total) will make an enormous difference.
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Hi,
I think it could be interesting to mention that GCC is used for OS4. So I don't see any reason to use StormC...
But I'm not a coder, just a thought....
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Don't even think about using gcc with that setup, it would be very painful. gcc is hardly usable on machines 20 times faster than your hardware. For your system, I'd recommend SAS/C (via ebay). It comes with a debugger. If it has to be free, try DICE. Another free option is vbcc, which, unlike DICE, is still supported. But I have no idea how fast it is on a 030 with 8 MB RAM. If I may give you an advice, get rid of that horrible setup ASAP. A cheap used PC with WinUAE (100 EUR total) will make an enormous difference.
hehe, thanks for the advice, its much appreciated. Actually i have a host of PC's rather capable of doing the task come to think of it, and my amiga environment is mirrored on one of them vie UAE already, however to whole idea of the project is to play with the good old A1200 on the tv, for not much than nostagia's sake, ill leave all my real dev projects of more capable machines. So i might have a go at gcc, otherwise, the sas/c ebay solution may be perfect...
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I'm not going to comment on that H&P versus Bernie thang (sad if that's true) but that 50 € for SC4 offer is very hard to resist. What I'd like to know is the C++ compliance of SC4. It would seem that SC3 doesn't properly support some C++ features like the string class and the standard container classes (list, vector, map etc.). Apparently SC4 does fully support them, right ?
J.