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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga.org site announcements => Topic started by: System on January 08, 2003, 07:41:49 PM
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This is a new approach for us, but taking a page from the old AWD playbook, we at Amiga.org would like to welcome Elbox (http://amiga.org/banners.php?op=click&bid=17) to our list of advertisers. Elbox joins Fore-Matt Computing (http://amiga.org/banners.php?op=click&bid=15) on the current list of companies who've gone the extra distance to help keep this site alive. Your patronage of Elbox and Fore-Matt Computing would be greatly appreciated and felt throughout the Amiga community.
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Excellent! I'm glad they made effort.
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Prepare comment list for flamage by Paul_Gadd......:-D
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"Amiga.org welcomes Elbox as an advertiser"
Welcome Elbox, we have saved a back up of our RDB`s before clicking your link (that is if we want to take that chance),
R.I.P harddrives your RDB will be missed.
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And there he is :crazy:.
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...and his flames are a bit misguided since he probably won't ever have any use for Elbox hardware or software anyway. ;-)
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@Paul_Gadd
Have you ever made any positive, constructive comment on this forum? One that doesn't involve throwing mud etc.? Just wondering.. :-?
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Yeah, you people hate it when i expose FRAUD, corruption, scams and other wrong doings by Amiga companies,
But never mind sit back, relax and lets all turn a blind eye.
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@paul,
Considering that Elbox is welcomed here, please make stop where you are and consider my request very carefully.
If Elbox is guilty of anything, that has yet to be proven. Otherwise I need for you and others to breathe and think before trashing one of our advertisers. We have very few left and we (both Amiga.org and the Amiga community) need every one.
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If Elbox would have apologized instead of lashing out this woudln't be an issue.
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@wayne:
What do you mean with the AWD reference btw? Just that the AWD also had advertisements?
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Ok, how would your Mama put this, since you have no concept of what I am talking about.....
Do not come into my house insulting my guests..
It is rude, and it is not welcomed here. They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.
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New advertiser, great for Amiga.org!
About this Paul_Gadd person.. I'm not sure if his real or not, since he seems in so many ways average punk - he has probably done nothing constructive Amiga-wise, if he has ever own anything else than A500. Maybe even the opposite - when thinking how much he brags with his DivX-collection etc. I wouldn't be suprised if he hadn't bought a piece of Amiga software ever.
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@odin,
The AWD used to announce new advertisers to let everyone know who made the site possible. We never have, and judging by the stupidity and rudeness of some of the comments I'm seeing here, I begin to understand exactly why we didn't do this before.
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VCD Collection not DIVX Collection,
You want to learn to read before throwing insults around.
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@ Wayne
You do whatever is needed to keep the site up and running.
Don't mind the people who have no idea of what it's like and how much work there is involved in keeping a site like this working.
It is really good to know who is helping to keep the site a reality.
Keep up the good work !!!!
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@Paul_Gadd:
VCD Collection not DIVX Collection,
You want to learn to read before throwing insults around.
Well, if you have stand-alone player capable of DivX, then saying that wouldn't be that big insult... :-) Well, to be honest, I just didn't remember, mixed them up and I was too lazy to check it out just for that message.
Maybe I just overreacted, I just should learn to control myself when someone has different opinions - we are all A.org:ers anyway.
It is just that I while you don't like A1, Pegasos or Elbox's solutions for classic Amigas, you still spend quite a lot of time here. I know, you said that you liked what Amiga was back then (as I do too), and PPC is wrong way to go, but still you spend more time criticising current/future solutions over and over again than remembering the good old days etc..
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@Wayne
The AWD used to announce new advertisers to let everyone know who made the site possible. We never have, and judging by the stupidity and rudeness of some of the comments I'm seeing here, I begin to understand exactly why we didn't do this before.
I say go for it. Those comments are just as you say.. Stupid.
It *IS* true that someone found code in the elbox spider driver(s) that could trash the rdb. The code was never used in the driver, and I don't recall hearing a single instance of a spider owner suffering a rdb trashing.
Furthermore, Elbox did realise their error. The offending code was quickly removed.
The worst part about the whole thing were/are the people complaining.. Almost none of the people who constantly complain about Elbox use their products.
My 1200T uses three Elbox products, and I've been nothing but happy with them.
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@wayne:
Ah okay...I see, or as we say in Dutch 'on that bicycle'. :-).
And as far as the stupidity and rudeness is concerned. Well, you just have to mentally filter certain people out when reading threads or comments.
Would that not be possible to have an 'ignore-list' just liek IRC-clients have? Would be a welcome addition :-D.
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@quenthal
I like to say what i think, that is why forums are made, if everyone came in here hero worshiping Amiga computers then these forums would just be brown bread,
As you mentioned the good old days, i wish them days was still here as i was like yourself a total die hard who would only see the good in the Amiga and see nothing wrong in the background, but times change and peoples computing needs change.
Its all about opinions, people should be allowed to express them without being told to turn a blind eye to illegal activities,
Anyway lets imagine the Year is 1992 :-)
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@paul
Its all about opinions, people should be allowed to express them without being told to turn a blind eye to illegal activities,
I guess I was talking to the wall then. There is a difference between speaking an opinion and puposely trying to harm the business of a company which is helping this site to survive.
If you want to express your OPINION, you are welcome to do so. AmigaOS has code to thrash rdb's. Are you going to trash Hyperion? I have even seen occasions where code to perform certain functions is automatically linked in via a compiler without the knowledge of the authors.
Point is, your comments in this case are in poor taste and not welcome. This is not a site for your personal vendetta on what you *think* is fact. I should not have to act like your mother to remind you people what is, and is not acceptable.
{edit} Yes, I know.. I accept the fact that my behavior as of late has been less than exemplary.. As such, I am the last person to admonish someone about their actions but I am at least trying to change for the benefit of both this site and this community. {/edit}
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sowwee mom !! :-?
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@Wayne
First of all my comments are not trying to destroy this site (which some people are claiming),
As for your request, fair enough its your site and Ebox has become an advertiser so i will not insult them again and you might as well remove this thread before it goes way out of control.
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AmigaOS has code to thrash rdb's. Are you going to trash Hyperion?
Does it? :-? Thrash it or trash it? ;-)
Anyway, I don`t think anyone actually had their RDB trashed by that code in elbox`s driver, but it was a bit silly of them to try and protect their software in this way. Every company has rights to protect it software, just not maliciously. :-(
Another point If Morphos or hyperion or Amiga.inc advertised then they would be exempt from all the fud that people have said here too? You have said some things about Amiga.inc, so if they advertised would you then defend them?
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@paul,
I do not think you are trying to destroy this site. However I am learning that too much freedom without accountability is a bad thing.
Remember, the Internet gives you a certain amount of anonymity, but you are still accountable to the other members who share the use of this site. This is a lesson I too am learning.
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Wow I must say this is a pleasant surprise! Elbox's stock just went up in my book.
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Hey Paul if anyone's saying that you're destroying
the site that's not a fair statement, I've seen you
post lots of helpful things to other users.
I'm glad the site is getting some added funding,
this site is too much of a good thing to loose.
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Take me to those posts....i`d like to see them! ;-) :-D
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@-D-
No, no one is implying that. Paul is entitled to his opinion on Elbox, I may or may not agree with him. The point is this news post should be welcome to all Amiga.org users. Any paying advertiser helps secure the future of this site.
Why take a postive as a reason to kick them in the teeth?
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Take me to those posts....i`d like to see them!
Cmon man, i dont come on here just to attack everything in sight, i have helped loads of people out with amiga/ non amiga problems, (which the archives should show if this site has any somewhere)
@-D-
Cheers :pint:
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@People
Yes I agree Wayne. People think just cause they`re not face to face with people they can try to hurt
their feelings, and that any trace of decorum, tact or manners can be removed from conversations at
will. People still read this and take it in. They can still be offended by it and take it to heart.
You are still the cause!
Just think about what you say! Believe me it helps. People don`t even shout at you and insult
you. Its weird I know. I`ve even found it possible to speak my mind and not insult people. Life is
about having fun. yelling isn`t much fun for you or anybody else. Especially for other people. I
don`t know how many times I have said this type of thing. It annoys me to death to see such a cool
little community spoilt by such stupidity. If you support the Amiga stay and be jolly, if you don`t
then bugger off. We don`t need you spoiling it. This may be controversial, but I don`t even want MOS
people to go. We are like brothers n sisters in a way. I may not agree totally with what they are
doing, but then thats my opinion. Theres no need to go mad over it. Its only a computer system, it
not life!
Calm down people please!
I`m glad some of you aren`t judges. If you convicted a person for assault, from then on everytime
somebody is even accused of assault you would give them jail time without a trial if you could. Not
good justice.
Anyway I`ve rambled enough now.
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NIck et all
IMHO we must take realities in front of our eyes. What companies there ARE left anymore? Who on earth would even consider adwertising on Amiga releated Website?
AmigaInc is deeply in Red, they can't even manage their existing promices. Hyperion and Eyetech are under heawy burden due this development process. Can't really expect them so spend $$$ they need for developement effort to Adwertising here.
Some Game makers are active, but their latest releases have been to MOS (like epic) so thay are not wished welcome here. Genesi is spending money on BIG targets (like CES and Cebits) and they are not too liked here either.
After those.. Few well-known Resellers.. Couple smaller HW and SW manufacuters and ... Elbox. Like them or not but they are one of the few firms left that have products..
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I agree, by becoming an advertiser Elbox did something positive, in my book, and my opinion of them is much higher now. I am sure that was the intent, and thats OK, it worked because it should work, we like people supporting the site.
And I think the AWD style, 'welcome' to this advertiser was a good thing.
And NOOOO, I don't care what anyone's momma's told them, we do not have to have consensus at all times in order for plans to work. Paul Gadd's comment were great and they didn't ruin anything.
I don't agree with Paul, though I am glad he expressed his opinion. Elbox did remove the RDB thrashing code, they did not apologize, but good grief, they removed the code, thats about as good as you get these days.
Now by becoming a supporter of amiga.org they have done a lot to rehabilitate themselves.
Of course, they release a G3 or G4 accelerator and they are not only rehabilitated, but I will personally give them a kiss on the mouth.
eewwwwwwwwww who said that.
:-P
If we are not allowed to criticize advertisers, then either I am going to have to hope a crook never advertises here, or advertise myself, not sure which./
:-o
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Let's just hope Merlancia never advertises here,
sheesh. :-) No, seriously it's a positive thing.
Now if both OS4 and MOS run on the Sharks I may
even perk up a bit more...
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@JoannaK
remind me to never make you my salesperson.
The companies you mentioned as being unlikely to advertise, a) do advertise on other sites, and b) have the most reason to advertise.
But there are at least 10 other companies that either have, or will advertise soon, that you didn't mention at all.
Amiga Inc hosts this site for free. Wayne once said he would need $300/month to cover the bandwidth of this site. Well, that makes Amiga, Inc. the largest benefactor of this site, probably of any Amiga site, for that matter.
But the other you mentioned, Genesi who is 'hitting' large targets...advertises all over the Amiga Web, and this site is one of the largest/most influential sites, this is exactly the market they should target. Not saying they will, but under the right circumstances, why not....I've seen their advertisements on amiga.org.ru, why not the real, much bigger amiga.org?
Software companies, like Cloanto advertise all the time. Anyone who has a new product to sell, would do well to advertise, whether that is Hyperion, H&P, or even many of the up and coming games people, even morphos games.
The retailers, of course, they need to advertise...and they have in the past, softhut used to advertise, compu-quick the same....and many european companies did and still do advertise....
This site, as it continues to grow, and as these retailers begin to have products to sell....regardless of whether its a pegasos or amiga-one, as they have a need to sell products to people who are readers here......
now with all that said, it is bleak, it is hard, the market is very small...its just not necessary to go overboard the other way...I could easily see someone getting 10 advertisers...well wayne already has 2, so he already has the Maximum amount everyone was predicting in a thread at new years....one more and he has defied all the critics.
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Do not come into my house insulting my guests..
Last I heard Amiga Inc hosts this site. Are you paying them for this service? If you are not paying them then it is the same as them paying you!
Why do you trash them all the time and allow everyone else to?
Loki :-?
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:lol: :lol: :roflmao: :smack:
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This financial contribution to amiga.org and essentially the community does not, in any way justify or defend their actions regarding the RDB issue. It does not induce additional levels of trust in relevance to their driver software and has not deterred my development of a supervisor wrapper for their software to ensure that such malicious actions cannot be triggered by anything ELBOX.
However this financial contribution does prove that although ELBOX sux when it comes to business decisions they do still have a heart and a willingness to support worthy causes.
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@Loki1
A little constructive criticism and "trashing" are
hardly the same thing. It's a tribute to Wayne's
patience and good judgement that so many conflicting
viewpoints can all coexist here.
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@Wayne
> AmigaOS has code to thrash rdb's
No it does not.
AmigaOS contain code to write RDB to disk. This code is inside HDToolBox and is only triggered after you click Save and click Ok to some "Are you sure?" -requester.
This code does not trash RDB. And no, format command does not trash RDB either. Low level format is ignored by modern drives, too.
The routine inside Elbox drivers (http://strony.wp.pl/wp/dareksmietana/), if triggered, located and delirebately trashed RDB of the system disk.
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I`m sure Elbox didn`t do it on purpose and as people have said nobody has managed to trigger this bit of code into life. Its not worth stressing about. They removed it, isn`t that good enough? They are now supporting this site so its almost like a way of saying sorry.
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To wayne:
I have been a long time reader of amiga.org
I like to step in and read the latest news and also the comments from people in the community. I have never registered before because i have never felt the urge to step in with my own comments. But this time i did.
For me your comments felt a little like "Elbox is paying so people should keep silent with critisising". If i read amiga.org I dont want it to be cencored. People should be able to say exactly the same thing about companies that contribute with money as about companys that does not. People can write bad things that needs to be corrected, removed or in some cases the users could even be banned from the site because of bad behaviour. But the comments should not be judged ANY differently because they are critisising Elbox who contributes with money. They get goodwill from paying. That should be enough.
Ofcource its your site. You decide the rules. But for me as a frequent reader of amiga.org the joy of reading the comments would be less if this is the amiga.org policy.
Otherwise, thanks for a good site.
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Anyone not familiar with what happened can read the letter Elbox posted about it here: Elbox letter (http://www.elbox.com/news_02_11_18b.html)
Personally, I've used the drivers mentioned with my Amiga for the past year, and I've not once had a problem with this or heard of it happening to anyone else. I wouldn't doubt that the drivers for my Powerflyer have/had similar code. If this was such a serious issue, considering how many times I've crashed the machine with my stupid programming tricks, you'd think I'd have seen it at least once.
Do I think Elbox had a right to protect their software? YES
Do I think Elbox chose the best method of doing so? NO
Do I think that this issue has been blown way out of scope and is now being used as a pesonal vendetta against the company by a few individuals? YES
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But the other you mentioned, Genesi who is 'hitting' large targets...advertises all over the Amiga Web, and this site is one of the largest/most influential sites, this is exactly the market they should target. Not saying they will, but under the right circumstances, why not....I've seen their advertisements on amiga.org.ru, why not the real, much bigger amiga.org?
@Marktime
This is where you are wrong. Bill Buck is very much indeed interested in advertising here on the site and has asked on several occassions. That being said, I have had no choice but to politely refuse in the case of Genesi. I had no choice in this matter because it is a direct conflict of interest for me to sell banner advertisements to a company which is directly competing with the company providing the hosting for the site.
In effect, if I took their assistance (which we always need), I would be using Amiga Inc's assistance to advertise for Genesi. As I said, I direct conflict of interest. There were other offers made that I cannot discuss, but neither Bill Buck nor McEwen are the bad guys here.
You might note that there is no Amiga Inc advertisement here which even I find weird. Because of their involvement in providing the bandwidth, Amiga Inc have an offer for a standing advertisement on this site. When we changed banner format, I wrote several people including Ray, Gary, and even Bill asking for a new banner and have never received one.
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@Andreas_Nyback
No one is being censored. Amiga.org is not "bought". Amiga.org does not have a "stance on Elbox". Simply said this news item is that Elbox is a paid advertiser. This in and of itself is good news to ANYONE who finds Amiga.org useful. Amiga.org is a community website and any company who puts it's advertising dollars here contributing to the long term health of this site and are giving a boost to the community as a whole. I am not saying that was the motive, I'm sure their motive is to generate revenue through advertising. I hope it works out well for all parties involved.
As for censorship, before you go that route and critise not only Wayne, but myself and every other registered A-Org user, check the archives on this site. You will see plenty of heating discussions about Elbox. Nothing has ever been censored, nor will it be. You just don't kick someone in the teeth when they do something positive.
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Madgun68 wrote:
Personally, I've used the drivers mentioned with my Amiga for the past year, and I've not once had a problem with this or heard of it happening to anyone else. I wouldn't doubt that the drivers for my Powerflyer have/had similar code. If this was such a serious issue, considering how many times I've crashed the machine with my stupid programming tricks, you'd think I'd have seen it at least once.
I have got to agree one hundred percent with what you wrote there and in the points thereafter. Not once since 9th October 2000 have I had driver problems with the Mediator hardware/software they have shipped.
The main point of this thread is to welcome Elbox as a advertiser for the site and I wholeheartedly do so, cheers Elbox! :-D
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Sorry about my rambling before.
Thanks Elbox. We need this.
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@Marktime
hmmmm I must have worded myself poorly, because your response is basically what I suspected, and was trying to outline, without making unneeded guesses... I wanted JoannaK to see that under the right circumstances, Genesi would advertise here.
Though I had no insider knowledge, I just speculated that to be true, since they advertise everywhere on Amiga websites...
Anyway, you have cleared all that up, and we all understand the situation clearly.
I agree, noone is the bad guys, with Amiga, Inc. providing such great assistance, and Genesi wanting to provide their own.
Its just a standard conflict of interest, which is typical in business. Now....with that said, since Amiga, Inc. doesn't use the banner space you would provide them, they should go directly to Genesi and offer to sell their banner space. Why? Just because I think it would be funny, thats why!
That would be the most interesting conflict of interest...would Genesi write Amiga, Inc. a check?
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@marktime
Sorry if I misunderstood. Just wanted to clarify. Don't know what Genesi has to do with Elbox though, so this thread has gone astray.
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Thats great news one of a few good hardware manafacturers left for the amiga and one of the best good line of products as well when i sent an email to find out what an expansion for a cdtv they had advertised was and if it was available they emailed me back within 2 days this has to be good and they update their site often which is something eyetech should do more.I have thought of getting their expansion the mediator 1200sx for my old a1200 tower but at the moment i have a1 on order and i have been thinking of putting a1200 in old apple mac case i have and this case is slimline.if i keep my a1200 in its tower with its ppc acelerator then i might think of getting mediator 1200sx.I have three a1200s so i could put another one in mac case and buy a cheap 040 for it this sounds like the ideal way to me. :-D :-D :-D :-D
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oster: Wayne Date: 2003/1/8 16:45:30
Ok, how would your Mama put this, since you have no concept of what I am talking about.....
Do not come into my house insulting my guests..
It is rude, and it is not welcomed here. They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.
I maybe behind the power curve on (won't be the first nor the last time either) this subject, but are you no longer being hosted on Amiga Inc's server?
Dammy
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Welcome Elbox!
We are glad!!!!! I'm a mediator user ;-)
PS: don't care about Paul_Gadd. he is a little stupid
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Don't mind the news post, Wayne. You flick that switch on the wall and you're going to attract a few moths. But you still enlighten the place.
You did more good for ElBox with the news item, I think, than could be undone by a few trolls.
Welcome, Elbox. Thanks for your support.
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I don't blindly follow nor trash Elbox. I have a Mediator, and it has worked flawlessly for almost 2 years now. I understand the concern about the RDB code, but I have not seen a single user affected by such a practice.
With that said, Elbox has not only provided excellent service after the sale--they've tried to support the community. Now, they have extended their hand to Amiga.org. I just can't understand how anyone could complain about this. :-?
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Poster: Marky_D_Sahd Date: 2003/1/9 19:30:55
Don't mind the news post, Wayne. You flick that switch on the wall and you're going to attract a few moths. But you still enlighten the place.
You did more good for ElBox with the news item, I think, than could be undone by a few trolls.
I don't see the trolls actually in this thread. I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org. Last thing I've been reading is Amiga.org is still being hosted by Amiga Inc. If Wayne is having to pay for the bandwidth used, then it's time, IMO, to go out on his own so he can add Genesi as a sponsor. I have a feeling that type of money should be more then enough to cover the additional costs of a commercial host account for Amiga.org.
Now if he's attempting to generate enough startup costs associated with going to a new host, I would rather have pony up $10 via PayPal for a year's worth of posting rights and not have Amiga.org even associated with the likes of ElBox. I don't plan to buy, ever, any of their products so it's not that big of a deal to me personally. If it was, I would be boycotting Amiga.org. I know I'm dissapointing Samface by not boycotting Amiga.org now, but that would take Wayne accepting $ from VMC/H&P.
Dammy
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nice one we need all the support we can get. any i'm a med user with many happy times under my belt.
I don't like it when people start flaming an amiga dealer that supports a truely amazing amiga website
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@Cyka_Delik
WOW I`m impressed that last post almost made you sound like you can actually speak and write English properly! :-D
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I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org.
Two questions:
First, how can you possibly be confused? We are hosted by Amiga Inc on a spare machine that we pretty much had to beef up and get working. Being hosted by Amiga Inc is fine and greatly appreciated, but I personally feel it is creating a bit of a conflict of interest in itself. Remember, Amiga.org does not, nor has it ever belonged to Amiga Inc and they do not hold the only right to decide whether or not it continues. You also have to consider the effort and interest of the people involved in running it.
Secondly.... nevermind. I simply don't understand how you (or anyone) can object to my soliciting donations to help us keep running this site. Hosting is not the only cost associated with amiga.org. It never has been.
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@Dammy:
I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org. Last thing I've been reading is Amiga.org is still being hosted by Amiga Inc. If Wayne is having to pay for the bandwidth used, then it's time, IMO, to go out on his own so he can add Genesi as a sponsor. I have a feeling that type of money should be more then enough to cover the additional costs of a commercial host account for Amiga.org.
There's a lot more to it than bandwidth costs. Wayne and the rest of the guys put a lot of their own time, money and effort into making this site the excellent site that it is.
I've never tried to run a website (wouldn't know how :-)) so I don't know for certain but it strikes me as rather obvious and I'm surprised you don't see it that way.
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Hi Wayne,
> I am questioning
Oops - you beat me to it.
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So amiga.org wants to publicly ally themselves with proven distributors of malicious code. Maybe instead of throwing money at Amiga.org to get biased coverage, Elbox could hire an ethics consultant instead.
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oster: Wayne Date: 2003/1/10 11:13:50
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I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org.
Two questions:
First, how can you possibly be confused? We are hosted by Amiga Inc on a spare machine that we pretty much had to beef up and get working. Being hosted by Amiga Inc is fine and greatly appreciated, but I personally feel it is creating a bit of a conflict of interest in itself. Remember, Amiga.org does not, nor has it ever belonged to Amiga Inc and they do not hold the only right to decide whether or not it continues. You also have to consider the effort and interest of the people involved in running it.
Your earlier statements of:
Posted : 2003/1/8 16:45
It is rude, and it is not welcomed here. They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.
And also:
Posted : 2003/1/8 17:40
I guess I was talking to the wall then. There is a difference between speaking an opinion and puposely trying to harm the business of a company which is helping this site to survive.
Your eluding to that it's taking $ to run Amiga.org, in the present tense. I do completely agree with you that Amiga.org needs stand independent of Amiga Inc (you have no idea how strongly I agree with you) and I understand the startup cost of starting with a remote host. I would be the last person to critize your efforts to generate some funds for improvement (ie independent hosting) for Amiga.org. I applaud your efforts.
However; I do find it somewhat uncomfortable on one of your chosen advertisers and your statements on Amiga.org's current funding needs when it's actually a future need.
Secondly.... nevermind. I simply don't understand how you (or anyone) can object to my soliciting donations to help us keep running this site. Hosting is not the only cost associated with amiga.org. It never has been.
Maybe, maybe not. Since 1993, I've run a BBS, a BBS/UUCP, BBS/UUCP/ML (Amiga500 frankenstien I tell ya) and for over the first year of UUCP, I had to call from FL to WA for a daily UUCP account feed. Then there was the BBS updates, base phoneline bills and then eventually switched to broadband. Yeah, I think I may have a rough idea on what your shelling out in none host related expenses for Amiga.org.
I do not think it's the mear fact of advertisers, it's the ethics associated with the advertisers and how it does or does not taint your web service that generates this debate. If it was put up for your users to decide on either throwing a $10 via PayPal or seeing Elbox as Amiga.org's advertiser, I rather do a $10 spot knowning I did a good thing . I know, a single $10 won't help compared to revenues generated by Elbox's add. However; there maybe enough of us in total to equal Elbox's cash.
Dammy
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So there is one standard for Elbox, and another standard for Pegasos/MorphOS!? MorphOS is not necessarily in "direct" competition with AmigaOS anyway - both are compatible to a large extent, therefore both will grow the market for AmigaOS applications.
"If Elbox is guilty of anything, that has yet to be proven."
Obviously you did not see the disassembly that was posted to ANN? Or, if you don't believe, you could disassemble it yourself, if competent to do so. The malicious code IS there, Elbox have admitted it. Trying to pretend it is NOT there under such circumstances is ignoring the truth.