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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: System on December 26, 2002, 09:50:55 PM
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We missed this earlier on the 18th, but here's an "interesting" article about the new partnerships that Microsoft has been making. Apparently Amiga Inc is now a charter partner of Microsoft's Mobility Partner Advisory Council (MPAC).
Microsoft Interview / Announcement (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/dec02/12-18pocketpc.asp)
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"Another step closer to the danger zone".
Damn, I hate it when I'm right.
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"Poster: Wayne Date: 2002/12/26 21:51:58
"Another step closer to the danger zone".
Damn, I hate it when I'm right. To all the cheerleaders.... Told ya so."
Well if you make enough predictions your bound to be right a few of the times.
That like me saying every year that there is going to be a plane crash today. Sooner or later i will be right.
I just hope your willing to stand up & be counted when you get your predictions wrong.
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Why the hell would Microsoft touch a pathetic amateurish company like Amiga inc?
I hope M$ totally screws you.
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I've only made a few predictions recently. One of them is that Amiga is a LOT closer to Microsoft than Bill McEwen wants to admit and that they have either already been bought out by Microsoft, or will within a year. So far, looks like I'm right on schedule.
If I'm wrong at the end of a year (November 2003), I'll gladly stand up and admit it.
Here's the thing though, and there's just no way of getting around it. Whether I am right or wrong is irrelevant. Amiga Inc no longer has ANYTHING to do with what anyone thinks of as THE AMIGA. They (as well as Hyperion and Eyetech -- and bplan/others) are simply using us to cash in on "the name". There will be no resurrection, let alone a revolution.
Before the cynics amongst you start crying foul, yes indeed, I take donations to this Web site based on "the name". I even ask for them (You would too) staying on top of things with this site takes a great deal of time and effort. The difference is, Amiga.org actually provides something.
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The great "Swindle"
That happened to this "Sucker" in 78 !! With punk rock & the Pistols.
I really would be pissed off if it turns out M$ ARE at the helm of "Our Ship".
Methinks I would force myself to learn Linux.
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@Wayne
Spot on, nice to see someone be honest instead of all this Amiga inc hero worshiping on here,
All Amiga companies are using the name to screw people out of money, just do a price comparison on Amiga shops and normal shops, the results are shocking,
As for the LinuxONE board that has got to be the most laughable restricted piece of crap ever in Amigas history.
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"Poster: Wayne Date: 2002/12/26 22:30:42
I've only made a few predictions recently. One of them is that they have are a LOT closer to Microsoft than Bill McEwen wants to admit and that either already been bought out by Microsoft, or will within a year. So far, looks like I'm right on schedule.
If I'm wrong at the end of a year (November 2003), I'll gladly stand up and admit it.
Here's the thing though, and there's just no way of getting around it. Whether I am right or wrong is irrelevant. Amiga Inc no longer has ANYTHING to do with what anyone thinks of as THE AMIGA. They (as well as Hyperion and Eyetech -- and bplan/others) are simply using us to cash in on "the name". There will be no resurrection, let alone a revolution.
Before the cynics amongst you start crying foul, yes indeed, I take donations to this Web site based on "the name". I even ask for them (You would too). The difference is, Amiga.org actually provides something."
I have alot of respect for ppl who admit when they are wrong.
But every few ppl do that.
They just hide & wait for ppl to forget the comment of the past.
I think you asume just because alot of ppl defend Amiga.inc that they also credit then with Aone & Aos4.
they know its all down to Eyetech & Hyperion already.
And seeing as you think its all a no hoper then there is no point in any off us holding out hope so if we all move on right now
then there is no need for Amiga.Org thus no need for a Donation.
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As usual its not the end of the world if Amiga inc goes down ;) there is (sigh again) always AROS ;-).
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"Poster: Paul_Gadd Date: 2002/12/26 22:41:00
@Wayne
Spot on, nice to see someone be honest instead of all this Amiga inc hero worshiping on here,
All Amiga companies are using the name to screw people out of money, just do a price comparison on Amiga shops and normal shops, the results are shocking,
As for the LinuxONE board that has got to be the most laughable restricted piece of crap ever in Amigas history."
@Paul_Gadd
It seems to me that the only intrest you have on amiga.org is to slag Amiga.inc,Hyperion,Eyetech & Anyone intrested in Aone or Aos4.
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And seeing as you think its all a no hoper then there is no point in any off us holding out hope so if we all move on right now
Please learn how to use the site so we can differentiate your comments from those you are replying to.
then there is no need for Amiga.Org thus no need for a Donation.
As long as there is an "Amiga", there will be an Amiga.org. I just personally have zero (actually negative) use for an EyetechOne, but that doesn't mean that others here feel the same.
Whether or not you feel our presence and at least attempts to provide the community with a central Web point deserves a donation is entirely up to you. Keep in mind the definition of donation as a voluntary contribution.
Wayne
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Has anybody else mentioned this:
"The color is amazing."
... why not exciting?
Maybe some kind of Microsoft censorship?
Mason (just back after a long hangover)
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It seems to me that the only intrest you have on amiga.org is to slag Amiga.inc,Hyperion,Eyetech & Anyone intrested in Aone or Aos4.
Why not slag of cowboy firms which are doing piss all for Amigas future unless you call that piece of garbage restricted Teron board a serious board,
The LinuxONE reject is a restricted piece of S H I T,
Get with the program ALL Amiga companies are doing more harm to the future of the machine than good,
As a very long time amiga user it is very sad to read comments by brain washed idiots what think Amiga is going to be as good as it was in 1992,
The only good product for the Amiga was Amithlon and you die hards totally ####ed it up good and proper.
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Actually, the Amiga One is an impressive piece of hardware, and is being sold at a fairly resonable (contrary to the endemic complaints of jaded Amiga users). Of course without knowing how 4.0 will turn out, there is no reason to buy one at this time. However, Amiga One is far from a piece of ####. It is a relatively promising board that, if Hyperium makes the drivers they promise, will be able to take advantage of some impressive technology.
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"Poster: Paul_Gadd Date: 2002/12/26 23:03:05
Quote:
It seems to me that the only intrest you have on amiga.org is to slag Amiga.inc,Hyperion,Eyetech & Anyone intrested in Aone or Aos4.
Why not slag of cowboy firms which are doing piss all for Amigas future unless you call that piece of garbage restricted Teron board a serious board,
The LinuxONE reject is a restricted piece of S H I T,
Get with the program ALL Amiga companies are doing more harm to the future of the machine than good,
As a very long time amiga user it is very sad to read comments by brain washed idiots what think Amiga is going to be as good as it was in 1992,
The only good product for the Amiga was Amithlon and you die hards totally ####ed it up good and proper."
Well this site is called Amiga.Org.
Most posts here will be about all things amiga.
But no matter what the thread is about. you will just carryon slagging away weather it on topic or not.
Please name the brainwashed ppl.
Also what exatcly do you want the Amiga.inc todo.
Also what exatcly do you want the amigausers todo.
Also what exatcly do you want Hyperion todo.
Also what exatcly do you want Eyetech todo.
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Here we go again, FUD spreaders!
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L8-X
To whom are you speaking? I certainly wouldn't consider what I've said here to be FUD. It's pretty much now a documented fact that
1) Amiga, Inc is in Microsoft's pocket (for better or worse)
2) Amiga, Inc has nothing to do with the AmigaOne outside of licensing the name.
3) The AmigaOne has nothing to do with the Amiga as we've known it (at least yet).
4) AmigaAnywhere (as far as almost anyone can tell) has nothing to do with the Amiga as we know it. It's now, for all intents and purposes a Microsoft product and simply a game player engine for their Windows PDA and cellphone products.
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@Alkemyst
First of all please learn how to quote messages,
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@alkemyst
Well said!
I`m well fed up with all this negativity recently, it`s becoming more like ANN.LU here which I find saddening.
Amiga.inc can`t win here, if they don`t make money they go out of business, wayne shouts "told ya so!" They get money from making pda stuff & actually getting somewhere even if it is with M$, Wayne screams "they`ve sold out, told ya so".
Lets face it guys, the amiga market can`t generate enough income for Amiga.inc at present, they have investors wanting a return on their cash, only way to do it is by (get this) MAKING MONEY!!! How do they do that? Well, at present they are at work in this M$ pda program and are being awarded by getting on this advisory council and can actually make a difference in this market.
This gives you Wayne, paul gadd, etc the chance to throw some more FUD around. Which you can`t resist taking up. :-?
sad..just sad :-(
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OK i use IB2.2
So now tell me how to quote.
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@Paul gadd
LOL, your talents are wasted.
Why can`t you see any positive aspects in whatever Amiga.inc do?
If amiga has nothing to offer you then why are you here at all?
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L8-X
It's not sad. It is not FUD. It's the facts. They could have won, but they chose to limit the "future of the Amiga" to antiquated PPC hardware, then abandon anything remotely related to the Amiga we knew to the likes of garage-bands (Hyperion) and repackagers (Eyetech).
Right now, Amiga Inc. cannot win, that much is correct. This mouse trap is one of their own making.
I just wonder why they would EVER have bothered buying the Amiga trademarks and names if they NEVER had ANY intent to build an Amiga EXCEPT to fleece (which is very, very appropriate considering some of their actions) the remaining community and to use our good reputation (well, it USED TO BE) to their benefit to open the Microsoft door.
I think their sellout to Microsoft is a good thing, for them, but it isn't Amiga. Stop trying to twist everything to pretend it is. The fact that Bill McEwen was able to con his way into 5 million dollars during the peak of the "free Internet money" era does not make him either competent or Godly.
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Why can`t you see any positive aspects in whatever Amiga.inc do?
They do piss all, are you so obsessed with Amiga inc that you can not even realise it is run by complete morons who clearly are pathetic and as for the coupon scam i am shocked that people like yourself are banging the bishop for them,
If amiga has nothing to offer you then why are you here at all?
I am an long time Amiga user, not a obsessed twat what worships everything Amiga.
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@L8-X
What FUD ? AInc promised "Amiga-anywhere", and now they are "in bed"
with M$ making it "Amiga Anywindows" at best.
AA may have been interesting, and I wouldn't have minded if that
stuff had run on M$ too, but if I wanted to write SW for AW I would simply
skip Intent and write for .net.
Do you think M$ would allow one of it's "partners" to write SW for
Symbian ? Or Linux ? Or something like the mystical OS5 ?
This partnerships only says that Amiga is now the PDA-games-division
of M$, and I wouldn't be suprised if it just be a brandname for M$
in 1 years time like Atari is now for Infogrames.
If M$Bill wants to do this McBill would be dead last to know, as he doesn't
own AInc (the investors/creditors do).
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"You just have to read thread after thread and especially the Elbox threads,"
This is not an Elbox thread.
"To go bust or hopefully run the company like a proper company instead of lies, broken promises,
scams, ignoring the Die hards,"
The diehard are the ppl still buying from & suporting Amiga.inc & other amiga related firms.
"First of all stop turning blind eyes to stuff and hero worshiping every god damn thing to do with
amiga,
just look at the threads with people with LinuxONE boards who have no clue how to use Linux,
priceless."
This is not a Linux thread.
You should really try to keep to the topic at hand & not use every thread as an excuse to slag (every
thing you dont like about amiga) off.
Eyetech have been very good to me & many others.
If you have been let down by them then say so.
But i would not want the other ppl who have had nothing but good service from then to loose out
just because i had a bad time with them.
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@Paul,
While I agree with your stance, you really need to take it down a notch with your confrontation level.
Wayne
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@Alkemyst
Coming from a guy what can not even quote properly, Priceless.
@Wayne
you really need to take it down a notch with your confrontation level.
Which part?
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@ Alkemyst
"OK i use IB2.2
So now tell me how to quote."
It is copy/cut and paste time :-)
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As I see it, the only "real" friend that Microsoft has in the Amiga World is Wayne and all the rest of his puppets.
Everything that Wayne says, everybody agrees with because this is his space.
Your predictions are kinda useless at this point and time.
At one time, I was called a McEwen worshiper by you Wayne, and you were close to being right.
A lot of time has went by now, and I'm not a "worshiper" anymore.
I'm just sit back and watch what is going on in all the forums without commenting.
But for once in a long time, I'm gonna speak.
As far as Amiga Inc. and Microsoft goes, it has been known all along that McEwen and the gang has been trying to get Microsofts buisness with the AmigaDe side of things.
I really do fail to understand your point, except for the fact that you above all wish for Amiga Inc. to burn.
This place needs to be named HateAmigaInc.org
I don't know what in the world You and Amiga Inc. have been through behind the lines, and I really do not care.
This does not prove anything about Microsoft buying out Amiga Inc.
It actually proves that Amiga Inc have accomplished what they said they were going to do from the beginning.
If Amiga Inc succeeds at what they have said from the beginning, then that's a good thing.
If it turns out like the picture that you paint, well then, it's time to move on.
But your Amiga Inc bashing has no end, and I for one
wish that you would tone down the McEwen hatred that burns in your heart.
This is the first time in many years that the Amiga has moved in any direction, and that is a good thing.
The more they succeed, the more you throw a fit.
It appears to me that you are deep into conspiracy theories.
Maybe you need to write a book of some type.
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"Poster: Paul_Gadd Date: 2002/12/27 0:05:54
"@Alkemyst
Coming from a guy what can not even quote properly, Priceless."
@Paul_Gadd
You seem only to know how to be negative, slag ppl off & offer no help or solutions what so ever.
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"Poster: Warrent Date: 2002/12/27 0:09:05
@ Alkemyst
"OK i use IB2.2
So now tell me how to quote."
It is copy/cut and paste time"
I think that means what i already thought.
But some others asume its me.
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You seem only to know how to be negative, slag ppl off & offer no help or solutions what so ever.
cmon man you must have quoted in the past, using stuff like <> {} [] or do it as an email and it makes it better to read,
>test
test worked,
test worked
etc etc
Just tested IB2.2 under UAE and the quote button does not work :-(
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@Paul_gadd
So I`m a TWAT for trying to understand what Amiga Inc are trying to do?
All I am saying is that at this present time, the amiga market offers VERY little cash A.inc have investors to pay, they NEED to make money to survive therefore they have a very good PDA product which is making money for them, they have to concentrate on this or go bust. Hopefully when they have enough cash they can then put some into the amigaOS development itself.
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@Mountain_Myst
As I see it, the only "real" friend that Microsoft has in the Amiga World is Wayne and all the rest of his puppets.
Ummm. When did I take this to the level of personal insult? I said Amiga Inc is in bed with Microsoft. They are. Besides, if you can't see how "friendly" McEwen is being in this situation, you have much bigger problems than can be addressed by this Web site.
I have no puppets, nor is anyone invited to follow me along my road of babbling. I have an opinion. My opinion is that Amiga Inc has failed to do anything they've promised and that now there is no future of the Amiga platform outside of a slow, overpriced dedicated hardware machine. AmigaDE/AA/Whatever might be a very cool games engine, but it has nothing to do with the Amiga.
RE: hatred of Bill McEwen personally.
I have zero hatred for Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" or any other staff member of Amiga Inc. Hatred requires feeling and I feel little but apathy towards the current Amiga situation. I feel a great deal of angst for what could have been, but it's too late to change it now for them to get back on the right path.
Amazingly, of those Amiga Inc personnel I honestly know, Gary Peake is the ONLY one who has -- over the years -- gained and held my respect. He is generally the ONLY one there who will plainly speak the truth and not encompass it in 5 tons of marketspeech. Your mileage may vary.
In my never-so-humble opinion, the only thing they've ever done which is even remotely respectable is to stay afloat. For the lean days when Amiga Inc personnel were having to file personal bankruptcy and lose their houses/cars and livelyhood, they have my respect for not giving up.
The question then becomes.... "did they ever have a choice but to continue considering their debt"? They have something they paid 5 million dollars for. It's now worthless so they can't sell it, so what else could they have done even if they had a choice?
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"Poster: Paul_Gadd Date: 2002/12/27 0:14:12
Quote:
You seem only to know how to be negative, slag ppl off & offer no help or solutions what so ever.
cmon man you must have quoted in the past, using stuff like <> {} [] or do it as an email and it makes it better to read,
>test
test worked,
test worked
etc etc"
i see buttons on amiga.org that says quote,etc
Now how do i get them to work in IB2.2.
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@Alkemyst
Now how do i get them to work in IB2.2?
Just tested IB2.2 under UAE and the quote button does not work, it is the IB developers fault not Waynes or mine.
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@Mountain_Myst
You hit the nail on the head! :-)
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Told you so about what? And being right about what?
You haven't told *me* anything I didn't know already months ago.
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I said Amiga Inc is in bed with Microsoft. They are
This is number one.
No, they are not in bed with Microsoft.
They are buisness partners.
There is a difference you know.
Amiga Inc has failed to do anything they've promised
This is number two.
To get Microsofts buisness, along with other major companies was one of thier promises Wayne.
there is no future of the Amiga platform outside of a slow, overpriced dedicated hardware machine
This is number three.
Why? Because you say so?
Of course this is just your opinion, but there are a lot of people out there who believe otherwise.
I think that only time will tell this.
AmigaDE/AA/Whatever might be a very cool games engine, but it has nothing to do with the Amiga.
And this is number four.
What in the world do you mean by this?
AmigaDE/AA/Whatever will become a very important part of the new Amiga OS if they succeed at what they are doing.
All you have to do is read about Amiga Inc's future plans for Amiga DE, and you will see that it is very certainly a part of Amiga.
That's all I'm saying by the way...
Now its time to sit back and watch the story unfold even more.
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@wayne
My opinion is that Amiga Inc has failed to do anything they've promised and that now there is no future of the Amiga platform outside of a slow, overpriced dedicated hardware machine.
And which h/w would YOU like the new Amiga to have?
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@ Alkemyst
"i see buttons on amiga.org that says quote,etc
Now how do i get them to work in IB2.2."
Sorry you do not :-(
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Do you think M$ would allow one of it's "partners" to write SW for Symbian ? Or Linux ? Or something like the mystical OS5 ?
Well last I heard was that a "player" for Symbian was in the works.
OS5 is not even in a planning state yet, but I guess a player will come to OS4.x´soon after it's released.
I tend to trust Fleecy and what he has told me untill now have been quite positive (and true).
I don't think M$ will buy Amiga in any near future. They really doesn't have any reason to do so.
I don't think Amiga are more involved with M$ than many other companies are, theres partnerships all over.. Everyone is partnering, not that it means a lot.
I believe Amiga when they say that this is just the first move. They need to get a product out, to create a revenue and when m$ are offering them that chance they couldn't afford to say no.
M$ are also in a situation where they desperately need content for their mobile OS's. They can't afford to loose another battle in that area. They have had great problems competing with Palm and the Smartphone doesn't look as if it will be a huge succes right away (just like xbollox).....
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If you want to quote text do this......
[*quote*] (place your copy & paste text here) [*/quote*]
*remove the "*" to make it work.
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"Poster: Paul_Gadd Date: 2002/12/27 0:22:10
@Alkemyst
Quote:
Now how do i get them to work in IB2.2?
Just tested IB2.2 under UAE and the quote button does not work, it is the IB developers fault not Waynes or mine."
I didnt say it was waynes or your fault.
But you were quick to blame me.
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Happy new year!
:-D
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And which h/w would YOU like the new Amiga to have?
Like Amiga Inc promised us originally before denying they ever said it, I want to run AmigaOS/DE/AA/whatever on WHATEVER HARDWARE I HAPPEN TO HAVE AT THE TIME.
Don't give me the OS5 ####. 3 years into building OS4 and it's not done yet. There is no OS5. There won't be in my lifetime at this rate and I'm only 36.
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@Elektro
Hey thats bad taste!
;-)
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Merry Christmas Elektro :-)
@Alkemyst
But you were quick to blame me.
You are to blame if you can not QUOTE a message, i assume you use email, everyone of the quoted messages by you look horrible even the one after the help I and L8-X gave you.
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I tend to trust Fleecy and what he has told me untill now have been quite positive (and true).
Really? P.T. Barnum comes to mind.
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Hey thats bad taste!
I sure am.
:-D
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Like Amiga Inc promised us originally before denying they ever said it, I want to run AmigaOS/DE/AA/whatever on WHATEVER HARDWARE I HAPPEN TO HAVE AT THE TIME.
Don't give me the OS5 ####. 3 years into building OS4 and it's not done yet. There is no OS5. There won't be in my lifetime at this rate and I'm only 36.
They didn`t deny it, they had to admit that the investors wouldn`t agree to going in that direction.
AMIGA MARKET=VERY LITTLE MONEY.
They have investors, these people give amiga.inc money, amiga.inc present them with a buisiness plan...investors say, "oh can`t give you xx millions of dollars for that, theres not enough market for a return on our investment", amiga inc change the plan and go for the pda market, investors like that and give more cash...amiga survive, make cash of their own then when the amiga market is sustainable, start making Amiga OS into something like they originally intended.
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@L8-X
My sincere admiration for your level of patience. I can't wait for 45 years for anything resembling a usable computer.
I already have Windows and it's more than usable for anything and everything I need to do. Is it perfect? No, but it's a damned site better than a machine which hasn't been updated in 7 years (and won't really be updated, just made faster for the next 10).
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[You are to blame if you can not QUOTE a message, i assume you use email, everyone of the quoted messages by you look horrible even the one after the help I and L8-X gave you.]
You asume to much.
My email prog does not need manual quote.
I ignored your help cos it was imbeded with in an insult.
i posted typing before L8-X help came up.
& NO its not my fault that the quote button does not work with IB2.2
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@Wayne
From the press release
Craig Rairdin , president, Laridian, Inc., which specializes in publishing the Bible and other religious materials on handheld platforms.
By your reasoning anyone that works with M$ is owned by them, then they now own god! :-D :-D :-D
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@Wayne
You don`t know me, I have very little patience! ;-)
Its just that maybe I see things a little different from you and are giving A.inc/hyperion/eyetech a little slack.
I REALLY want to wake up tomorrow and have OS5...10ghz processors, gigs of memory and millions of fellow users to talk to on A.org. But I accept that it doesn`t happen overnight, these things happen VERY slowly in the amiga market.
To be honest I really can`t see it happening as we are all fighting with each other, destroying every hope of this reaching fruition.
And THIS is why I am feeling so sad :-(
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Everyone get some eggnog or whatever and chill.
:-D :-D
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Surely it's simply about funding?
Who's gonna fund about 20-30 people to write a desktop OS opposed to Windows? Who's gonna fund 20-30 people to develop a new hardware platform opposed to x86?
They ARE being funded for DE however. Shame is they are ahead of the trend, as CDTV was, PDA and handheld games WILL take off massively, it is a matter of when. Bill M stated they have reference hardware designs that are amazing that they can't built due to financing and resources.
I know it sucks buts that's how it seems to me, a few million sales of DE stuff = a few million bucks. Maybe the M$ name might garner the robotic "Mmmmm M$ it must be good" response in sheeple?
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& NO its not my fault that the quote button does not work with IB2.2
The quote button doesn't enable quoting, it just automates it a little. You can get the same effect by copy and pasting the words you want to quote into the textbox and putting /[quote/] (without the slashes) in front of the quoted words and /[/unquote/] after. Oh, didn't somebody post that already? Sorry to be repetitive.
-- gary_c
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I never could figure out the Atari scene, but I do know that there were Atari clones after Atari's demise...one was a rack mount Midi machine, based on a falcon, some machine called the hades/medusa with pci slots and 060/040 versions, and a low cost german 040 pci machine too.
All these claimed to have TOS licenses, that was Atari's OS, and they all failed nevertheless, though they were not sued out of existance.
The amiga market has been so much more resilient thanks to its more fanatic userbase who has always seemingly had more money to burn on this hobby as well.
But, nevertheless, this ship is sinking, and just like the TOS licensees never rebuilt a market post-atari, neither will hyperion or eyetech. I honestly don't think eyetech even thinks they will, I truly believe they are in the retro computing, ala commodore one, market anyway.
Only Amiga had the cards, under gateway to rebuild something...first it was QNX, and by golly that might have worked...(Amiga OS XL), and then they switched too Linux...and that might have worked (Amithlon)...and then they switched to proprietary...and that might have worked (MorphOS)...then they finally switched to Hyperion OS 4.
I am stunned that a market this small was able to go four different directions, and all four directions ended up producing tangible results. Sure they are all first efforts OS XL, Amithlon, MorphOS and OS 4....
but we actually went FOUR DIFFERENT directions when it was just imperative to make any decision and stick to it...anything, and stick to it, and then progress could have been made....
geez, what a bunch of incompetent clowns indeed, and now they are soaking in the acrimony they created and they can't figure it out.
Anyway, I agree, its almost all over now.
Happy new year.
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The writing has been on the wall for a very long time, but many have just refused to see it, in desperate hopes that Amiga would actually become Amiga again. All it has become, it seems, is MSAmiga, Inc with a bunch of boneheads at the helm!
Wayne is right for the most part. The execs have only used the name and the users for further gain and to entice programmers in enough to get their sad little four games to market. Everyone should have realized when AmigaAnywhere became M$ only there was a problem, heck probably even sooner than that! Bill and crew have made one bonehead decision after another and everyone there have followed him like sheep going to a slaughter!
The one part I can't really agree with Wayne on is Gary Peake, as I have not heard much substance or truth out of his ramblings anytime! Sorry Wayne, the things I have seen, heard and the responses I have gotten from pointed questions I have asked Gary just show his lack of truthfulness and respect towards others. YMMV
The year goes out sadly for the Amiga loyalists, but hopefully with the thought that everyone at least knows the truth about Amiga Inc. now.
:-(
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but hopefully with the thought that everyone at least knows the truth about Amiga Inc.
To many die hards think everything Amiga inc tells them if the total truth, the blind leading the blind,
2002 is nearly over, lets see what lies, scams and constant bullshitting they will do in the new year.
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Why don't we all just wait another year and see what's going to happen? I mean that's what we Amiga users are good at. I personally haven't lost my hope yet. If the situation gets better that's great, but if it doesn't and everything fails, I'll still be an Amiga user. Maybe very frustrated one, but still an Amiga user. I've been an Amiga user as long as I can remember and nothing will change that! Someday it may turn out to be just a retrohobby, but only time will tell what's going to happen. Let's not fight and throw insults here, after all, we're all Amigans aren't we..? :-)
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@L8-X
> it`s becoming more like ANN.LU
Spot on. Sadly Wayne is the one riding the front horse on the crusade to get amiga.org into the same state as Ann.lu.
Wonder where I should go when this site is totally ruined.
/Björn
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Well, Hullo there folks!
Sure is nice to see y'all in the festive spirit. :-P
My tuppence worth: If it gives 'em cash, it can't be all bad.
I'm off to "Talk About" before this thread depresses me too much.........
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What bothers me much is all Amiga-negative people's love for Windows, I have 4 PC's, 3 of them running Windows and one running Linux. I must say Windows is really stable on all my computers, far more stable than my Amiga 4000 ever was, but the OS in itself is disguisting (yes even the NT variants). What have they done? It eats memory like nothing else, if you insert a piece of hardware and install the driver and the hardware still don't work, what can you do, fiddle with the BIOS a little but then you'
re f**cked. Who came up with the brilliant idea for the registry? The most stupid thing in a OS ever, and the registry is of course loaded into memory (atleast I think so) and every information in the registry is repeated 2 or more times.
And about Linux, I don't think Linux is hard, it's just annoying that lots of programs need to be compiled but that's getting better over time. It really takes long to set up a good working Linux workstation that behaves the way you want it to, but when you're done it was well worth it.
What I like about the Amiga is the simple structure of the OS, you know what almost every library on your computer does, since they have sensible names, you can clean up your ETC: directory manually or even assign it to a HD instead of RAM: every time. About software on the miggy, most software I want to use exists, you maybe don't get it bundled with the OS but I like that, I want to install the programs I use myself and not be forced to have Paint, Calc, IExplore, Notepad, Outlook Express and some useless Pinball game installed.
And why are people complaining about the AmigaONE board, the PPC is a great architecture, far better than the x86. X86 might be faster at the moment, but since the x86 is to be replaced soon by 64bit processors (they are, right?) and IBM is working hard on making the PPC better, I think PPC is the way to go.
The Amiga One maybe ain't that cheap but I don't think it's overpriced. It's the PC's that are underpriced.
And for what Amiga Inc. does I really doesn't care, if they screw the Amiga I either get a Pegasos or a Mac.
Hmm, I have never written so much in a post before, might be babbling and wrong in some statements, and sorry is my english bad :-D .
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@Paul_gadd
I don`t think they are lieing to us, sure they have had to change track more than once, but that is how businesses survive, adapting when needed, and as for not telling us everything they do.....hell if I was Bill I wouldn`t tell this community jack s**t either as people like you are NEVER satisfied, never happy unless they`re complaining.
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@fz & L8-X:
Well said.
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@L8-X
I don`t think they are lieing to us,
Well WTF would you call that coupon scam?
I wish i could view Amiga inc as the best thing since sliced bread like you but sadly i only see them as a bunch of cowboys who are so far up microsofts ass it is pathetic.
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@Paul_Gadd:
Well WTF would you call that coupon scam?
Apart from Gadget, has anyone here actually received an A1 and subsequently asked A.inc to redeem their coupon?
Once I get my A1, I'll ask for my fifty bux. If they fanny me about, I'll let you guys know and you can all flame happily without me defending them. Until then, I can't really say they've lied about it.
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@Wilse
How long has it been since the "club" started ?
Wasn't there talk about A1/OS4 being "really close now" ?
For me that implied "currently in final betatesting, will be out in 2
months max". Go back and read what the believers back than said.
Sofar they haven't even been able to send out a bunch of t-shirts,
which they promised would be out there within days.
So there is no question if they lied, one could only argue about the
scope of the lie.
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You know? Sometimes it's difficult to seperate what's best from what feels right. After having slept on this subject for a night, I cannot apologize for what's been said. I meant it very deeply. I do however feel the need to apologize for how it was said.
As usual where emotions are evoked, I have gone too far and made some comments which were off-the-mark. Initially I had no intentions to purposely insult people, but after sleeping on it, I realized that my emotions were simply caught up in the chase and I had said a few things which -- in retrospect -- I should not have said, specifically comments such as McEwen needing a satin pillow for Christmas.
Some of these guys (Amiga Inc) have really been my friends in the past, I just truly do not currently agree with their path and it's sometimes kind of painful to realize what could have been. I am bitterly disappointed that AI is hitting the three year mark and have zero to show for it except a motherboard that I don't want and an updated OS with no software support.
In the past, when it mattered and the Amiga community could have been not only salvaged but highly influential, I had even literally begged them to work pro-bono (free) to organize their public relations which they STILL desperately need. (trust me, I was much more enthusiastic and upbeat back then --- remember when some here hated me because I was a cheerleader?)
I'm by far not the only one and if Amiga would have accepted our offers, one cannot help but believe that both Amiga Inc and the community would have been FAR better off today. This is why I do not buy the bullshit about how "the economy is to blame".
When you have 50 highly-qualified people who know their stuff and know this community who're willing to *donate* time and effort to your project, by God YOU TAKE IT. They didn't. This is why they find theirselves in a non-winning position today with this community, which is why in respect to that, I have little pity for them
But considering that I did not intend to personally insult anyone, I am going back to edit my comments to remove such insults from this discussion as it has no place here. Bill has my apologies for getting slightly out of camber in my now-edited remarks.
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@Kronos:
> How long has it been since the "club" started ?
What's that got to do with it?
> Wasn't there talk about A1/OS4 being "really close now" ?
Yes. There still is. Depends on your definition of "close". :-)
> For me that implied "currently in final betatesting,
> will be out in 2 months max".
Yes, for *you* it implied that but then *you* didn't join, did you?
Hang on, *you* didn't believe it anymore then than you do now. You're just stirring sh*t, as per...
;-)
> Sofar they haven't even been able to send out a
> bunch of t-shirts, which they promised would be out there within days.
I'll grant you they've made an arse of that. :roll:
> So there is no question if they lied, one could
> only argue about the scope of the lie.
Fair enough but I was talking specifically about not being able to claim my $50 dollars back, *after* I get my A1.
Just to say they lied, is more or less to say they exist, i.e. show me a company involved in this community who you can honestly say have never "lied".
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One of them is that Amiga is a LOT closer to Microsoft than Bill McEwen wants to admit and that they have either already been bought out by Microsoft, or will within a year. So far, looks like I'm right on schedule.
Sadly i have to agree on that :-(
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@ Wayne
I have to say that you see all the things in black colour.
I just don't believe that everything is wrong. EVERYTHING?
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@kostas
Everything. Name one thing that is right? One single thing that cannot be seen as a negative.
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Actually everything and then I mean EVERYTHING can be seen as negative in one way or the other. The real question is does it do you any good?
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@Elektro
>Everyone get some eggnog or whatever and chill
This is the most insightful comment I've read on here in a long time.
Amiga Inc. is a business. Businesses need revenue to remain solvent. Solvent businesses create products. The Amiga is a product.
It's clear that no matter what Amiga Inc. does, people will always question the sincerity of their motives. Either they don't do enough to secure partners or they conspire with the devil. Does anyone genuinely think Microsoft will buy Amiga to acquire a game pack that they are licensing from third parties and doesn't even run directly on their OS?
The original news item was directed at prospective partners for Microsoft's portable platforms initiative. McEwen's comments are included to help promote the advantages of the partnership program. It's not a manifesto. In fact, to the vast majority of the sentient world it's pure fluff. And so it should be.
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@eric
I meant in relation to the current "Amiga" direction. I am one of the first who tries to find the silver lining but I simply can't find it anymore.
Amiga Inc's main goals have zero to do with an Amiga as we know it. I have no love for Ben Hermans and while I have faith in Eyetech to resell MAI boards, I have no interest in one.
That leaves me (and I'm sure a slight majority of you) with nothing in the future that I'm interested in. I run PalmOS, hate Windows PDAs. I don't need a slow, expensive PPC solution, and I need commercial software support. None of these things are being addressed or even compensated in the decisions that Amiga Inc have made.
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@Wayne
Like Amiga Inc promised us originally before denying they ever said it, I want to run AmigaOS/DE/AA/whatever on WHATEVER HARDWARE I HAPPEN TO HAVE AT THE TIME.
Don't give me the OS5 ####. 3 years into building OS4 and it's not done yet. There is no OS5. There won't be in my lifetime at this rate and I'm only 36.
Wayne, please forgive me for being rude, but I can think of no other way of putting this, you are as big of a fool as the executives at Amiga Inc. were when they announced that "any hardware" OS if you really think they could have produced that in this short amount of time. It takes Microsoft AT LEAST two years between OS upgrade releases and they are ONLY CODING FOR ONE PLATFORM. NT 5 (ie:2000) was in development for AT LEAST 3 years before it was released. How many delays do most Windows releases go through before they are finally released, and Microsoft has a lot more employees at their disposal than Amiga Inc.
I don't ever remember Amiga Inc. denying their original promise; I do remember them coming to the realization that they COULD NOT ACHIEVE THEIR PROMISE according to their original plans. How soon you forget all of those posts at Moo Bunny where Francis Charig (sp?) of TAO stated very bluntly that INTENT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A DESKTOP OS. Remember all of the flames about no memory protection, etc. Remember the statements from the TAO execs stating that INTENT was meant for PDAs or as a layer on top of an OS.
So tell me, how were they supposed to write this wonderful OS you want so quickly when they would effectively have to re-write an OS that they DO NOT OWN. Do you really think TAO would just give them their intellectual property and say, "here you go, have fun completely changing the purpose of our software"? It's one thing for TAO to give them the information needed to write, "value added" APIs on top of INTENT, it's another thing for them to let Amiga Inc. completely rewrite INTENT.
So Wayne, what would you have Amiga Inc. do, simply port Amiga OS to the X86 platform. Talk about suicide. The only OS's that can currently survive on that platform is Windows and Linux. How can Amiga OS hope to generate revenue on X86 when BE couldn't even gain market share by GIVING THEIR OS AWAY.
Would you rather they take the extra time necessary to complete their "completely cross platform solution"? Again, that would be suicide; do you really think their investors would put up with no income at all for 5+ years in today's economy?
So what can they really do to survive? Well the only thing they can do is take the only product they have that has a chance of making a significant profit, the DE, and partner with everyone possible to get it sold, even if that is Microsoft. As anyone in the software industry will tell you, first you make your application to the 90% market share OS, then you port it to others. Just because they are partnering with Microsoft does not mean the DE is suddenly no longer cross platform, it is still built upon TAO INTENT which IS CROSS PLATFORM. Amiga Inc. are just trying to ensure their survival by getting any product they can to market, even if that means FIRST releasing it on Windows.
As far as "sleeping with the enemy" is concerned, there's an old saying, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Just because they are "sleeping with Microsoft" does not mean Microsoft will "buy them out". What would buying out Amiga Inc. provide Microsoft? Nothing. If Microsoft were to buy anyone out, they would buy out TAO, the owners of the most important piece of Amiga Incs DE technology. Buying out Amiga Inc. would simply be a waste of money, and even though Microsoft could afford to waste it, they did not get where they are today by wasting their money.
The corporate execs at Amiga were fools to make so many quick promises after purchasing the Amiga name. They have had to come to the realization that they couldn't achieve their plans as originally laid out and as a result, have modified their plans more than once. I see nothing wrong with this and don't see how this makes them liars, as so many have called them. This is simply how business works. So far, the only thing I have seen that they have done that I consider questionable is the Amiga club. Taking money from people and not keeping good communication with those individuals is very bad business.
I will be the first to admit that Amiga Inc. has made some horrible business decisions, however, unlike so many other people I've seen on some forums (not you Wayne) I do not blame the current owners for Commodore's, ESCOM's, Viscorps or Gateway's screw-ups. I also believe (unlike others) that Amiga Inc. is the last chance Amiga OS has to survive and possibly grow. I do not believe the Amiga OS will survive as anything other than an Emulator if yet another parent company dies, even though Hyperion and Eyetech have supposedly taken steps to ensure they could finish the OS if Amiga Inc. went under. Unless Hyperion made some kind of deal that would keep the OS intellectual property out of the bankruptcy courts and immediately transfer complete ownership to them, I don't see how the Amiga OS could survive.
I for one wish Amiga Inc. well and hope they start generating some income soon. I certainly would like to see my all time favorite OS be more than just a retro computing platform for nostalgia. (Which reminds me, I need to purchase the latest Amiga Forever CD :o) ) It would be nice to see OS 5 come out with the DE integrated into the OS making it "cross platform". These are all things I would like to see and do believe Amiga Inc. are working toward this goal. I am also a realist, I believe that they currently have a higher chance for failure than success at the current time and therefore, I am not holding my breath.
I also hope that, if they are not getting ready to declare bankruptcy, they straighten out this whole Amiga club fiasco soon. I feel for those who sent in money for this, having been screwed by the Siamese PCI fiasco so many years ago, I understand the frustration. Since then I will not pre-order anything "to get a discount when it's released", and would advise even the most faithful Amigans to do the same.
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And wile you have decided that Amiga hasen't got anything to offer you I think different, which is ok by me.
Have been studying a little philosophy latly and I've become (hope this is the right word) "work injured" as in starting to see philosophical aspects of everything, which was the real reason of my post.
Sorry.
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Once I get my A1, I'll ask for my fifty bux. If they fanny me about, I'll let you guys know and you can all flame happily without me defending them. Until then, I can't really say they've lied about it.
Well, the email I got at the beginning of August said that my my coupon and T-Shirt would be delivered in a few weeks. This is almost 5 months later and still not received anything. Hence, I would say that Amiga Inc. lied. I really can't think of any other way to put it.
And from the AmigaAnywhere shop:-
"When you join the "I am Amiga Club" ... you will receive a shirt signifying your membership, a coupon that can be used for a USD 50.00 (EUR 50.00, or GBP 32.50) discount on an AmigaOne, or OS 4.0 (for those of you who wish to run this new OS on your existing 3rd-party PPC cards) you will also receive a newsletter, and throughout the next 12 months you will be the first to learn of new products."
Well, I joined and have recieved no shirt, no coupon, no newsletter, and haven't been told about any new products. So this was all a lie too.
They should change it to:-
"When you join the "I am Amiga Club" ... you will receive an email some weeks later thanking you for joining and making some vague promise about an as-yet-undesigned shirt, non-existant newsletter, and vaporware coupon. You will then wait 6 months wondering if you're actually going to recieve anything before eventually giving up and resigning yourself to the fact that you just wasted 50 bucks."
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Wayne you’re 36 and I’m now 60! I have certainly wondered if I will ever see a new Run Any Where Amiga too......?
How painful to see and relive all the frustration over and over again....It clearly must be very very difficult to resurrect the Amiga and the fact that Bill McEwen et al, are still alive is nothing short of a miracle for all the many reasons stated before.
I use Windows98 and am desperately holding out and not wanting to get XP (.net concerns etc.) When I consider how Windows has improved over the years (yes I can’t wait till I don’t have to use it anymore too) and how much money and talent Micrsoft has thrown at the Windows OS over time and have it still run the way it does...is it any wonder Amiga OS 4.0 is taking this (relatively short but painful) amount of time to develop? I always thought the time line was too optimistic.
Seems to me .....as soon as we get a product to use we will be able post about that and turn our attention to the many issues and topics that will come up both pro and con and turn away from this self denigration etc.
The PPC vs. x86 issues is a very difficult one for me to deal with personally but Amiga inc. is still alive and moving ahead. Hopefully “soon, very soon” now.
Just my $.02
Bob C.
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I meant in relation to the current "Amiga" direction. I am one of the first who tries to find the silver lining but I simply can't find it anymore.
Here's a silver lining, if the Microsoft gamepack partnership sells well, they have money coming in, with this money, they might be able to aford an employee dedicated to responsing to those who joined the Amiga Club and are wandering where their t-shirts are. Sure it's not much, but getting answers to those that deserve it is a start.
Amiga Inc's main goals have zero to do with an Amiga as we know it. I have no love for Ben Hermans and while I have faith in Eyetech to resell MAI boards, I have no interest in one.
Sure, but now your opening up the "what is an Amiga" pandoras box. The Amiga we know has a 68000 series CPU in it, is that what you really want?
Would your rather see the Amiga as you know it (outdated) or see it as you know it could have been. The Amiga OS WILL NOT get were you know it could be without years of growing pains. Since the Amiga has been in stasis for so long, we have to deal with the growing pains today, instead of dealing with them years ago.
That leaves me (and I'm sure a slight majority of you) with nothing in the future that I'm interested in. I run PalmOS, hate Windows PDAs. I don't need a slow, expensive PPC solution, and I need commercial software support. None of these things are being addressed or even compensated in the decisions that Amiga Inc have made.
I don't know if TAO INTENT is already on Palm OS, but if it is, then there is no reason that you couldn't run the game pack on your PalmOS PDA.
PPC is expensive, but not necessarily as expensive as you might think when you consider total cost of ownership. Some people have their macs for two to three times longer then most people have their PCs. If I own one 3,000 dollar Mac as long as one individual owns three different 1000 dollar PCs, then they cost the same. People seem to forget in today's "throw-away" society that there is something to be said about products being "built to last".
A friend of mine found an old add for a 386 machine with 2 Meg of RAM, it cost over 8,000 dollars. For that much you could get an enhanced Amiga with Video toaster and more. The people who bought the Amiga with Video toaster can still get use from it, those who bought the 386 have since trashed it for something else. For those who want to upgrade their current Amiga, if they can get another 10+ years out of the Amiga one, it will have cost less than having to buy 3 or 4 PCs during that time. Just because something costs less up front, does not mean it costs less over time.
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@SirLancelotDuLac
I can see your points, and you do have a few valid ones. The whole issue for me comes down to the simple fact that none of the problems Amiga Inc are facing today would be there if
1) they would have taken the help offered to them
2) by extension, Amiga Inc would have any idea how to handle public relations.
The fact that Amiga Inc is a PR nightmare is absolutely perplexing considering the supposed fact that Bill McEwen comes from a PR background. I have seen so much potential in this community squandered over the last three years that it makes me positively sick to my stomach.
Regardless of PPC/x86 (the fact that I do not support PPC does NOT make me a proponent of any particular chip), Amiga *could have* made a comeback if they had handled their business like a business starting THREE YEARS AGO. Now it's simply too late for Amiga to have do anything substantial, either on the desktop or in the pocket.
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@ Wayne
OS4 (And this is not a promise. It's reality. We are close, even later than the right time).
You can say... it's 3.1 in PPC bla bla bla.
I don't think that noone believes that we can go big steps forward. We have to go step by step, Wayne.
P.S. I am not with A Inc. I just believe in justice. For me, there are different colours. Not only black & and not only white, in every situation.
Anyway, just my opinion.
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The fact that Amiga Inc is a PR nightmare is absolutely perplexing considering the supposed fact that Bill McEwen comes from a PR background. I have seen so much potential in this community squandered over the last three years that it makes me positively sick to my stomach.
Agree... I'm not the only one local Amiga user who have realized sad truth behind this glorious Ainc.s PR.
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@SirLancelotDuLac
o Wayne, what would you have Amiga Inc. do, simply port Amiga OS to the X86 platform. Talk about suicide. The only OS's that can currently survive on that platform is Windows and Linux. How can Amiga OS hope to generate revenue on X86 when BE couldn't even gain market share by GIVING THEIR OS AWAY.
Actually, from what I remember (perhaps Gary can help me out here), BeOS was abandon by Be just when it was really taking off for this stupid DC/IA/PDA/Cellphone/* Stinger OS since they were going to ride the wave. Remember that wave, the one DE is suppost to be riding on? If anyting, X86 increased the numbers of Be users and developers. Stinger, drove that entire group of users/developers away from BeOS.
I have no idea what you think is so magickal about PPC that will keep people around to use either OS4 or MOS. If anything, the short term gain by using PPC will be the boat anchor that drowns the OS in the long haul. It's great both OSs want to run with the big dogs, unfortunetly, they have this load stone called PPC that will grind them into the dirt.
Dammy
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I have no idea what you think is so magickal about PPC
Many Amigans wanted it now they have got it, some people even think going PPC is going to make many non/ex amiga users buy one, the only people i see who will buy a TeronONE will be the die hards.
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1) they would have taken the help offered to them
Not certain what sort of help was offered, but good old Billy boy can only do what the people footing the bill will let him. As with all companies, sometimes they have to say no and offer no explanation why due to what those pulling the strings say.
As stated, I'm not certain what help was offered, but it can be difficult for companies to accept "free" help for fear that they might open themselves up to legal action in the future. Remember, they are based in America and America is the land of lawsuits and honey. :-)
2) by extension, Amiga Inc would have any idea how to handle public relations.
Actually, Amiga Inc. would be doing great at public relations if they had an actual product. The problem Amiga has run into is that they purchased a product that already existed. Once a product exists, you need a public relations department. The problem is their existing product is so old, it is practically like not having a product. When you don't have a product yet, you don't need public relations. Remember Transmeta's website before the product was released, it had NO INFORMATION AT ALL. There's no point in giving out information before you have any real information.
Amiga Inc. have their own little Pandora's box. They don't have a product, so they should not be making announcements of their plans, yet they have a product from yesteryear and have so many people that loved that product, that they want daily updates from the website. So, to try to please the old customer base, which is what they hope they can build on, they make PR announcements based purely on their optimistic estimates on what their technology might be able to do. PR mistake number one, never make announcements based on optimism. Once they make the first mistake it is all destined to go down hill from there, you can't just eat your mistake and make no further announcements until you have something concrete, the public will kill you. So you have to continue making new announcements that contain changes to previous announcements which were changes to even earlier announcements and so on and so on until you look like the bumbling fools they look like today.
On the bright side (for Amiga Inc.), though, the only people who pay real close attention to this are the old die-hards, which is actually such a small camp of individuals that they could afford to lose all of the die-hard users and still survive. (Of course Hyperion and Eyetech might not be too happy about this)
I for one hold no animosity towards Amiga Inc. about their bad PR. After ESCOM failed and then the Viscorp fiasco, I started taking ALL Amiga related announcements with a grain of salt. I definitely enjoyed reading them all, and even felt most sounded like it would be a great product if it came to fruition, note the IF, but I have never held my breath. Then of course there is the other train of though, Commodore had a GREAT product with the Amiga, but their PR sucked. If Amiga Inc. was creating some kick ass PR I would seriously worry that OS 4 would SUCK. (Look at Microsofts history, GREAT PR, Suck ass products) :lol:
Regardless of PPC/x86 (the fact that I do not support PPC does NOT make me a proponent of any particular chip), Amiga *could have* made a comeback if they had handled their business like a business starting THREE YEARS AGO. Now it's simply too late for Amiga to have do anything substantial, either on the desktop or in the pocket.
It's easy to sit back and say someone should run his or her business differently when either you don't have anything to lose or you are the only one who stands to lose, but when you have investors money that your playing with, you need to play by the investors rules. It's easy to sit back and say they're doing everything wrong and state how differently you would do things, but you don't have the investors breathing down your neck now do you.
As far as "could haves" are concerned, the Amiga "COULD HAVE" been the dominant desktop home computer today IF COMMODORE handled their business like a business instead of a personal change purse for Mr. Ali. You should always stay away from "could haves"; the only thing you get from "could haves" is animosity towards an entity of some sort. "Could Haves" is why most people who hate Amiga Inc. have that opinion, despite the fact that Commodore did more to hurt the Amiga scene than Bill, Fleecy and Co. ever could at this point, even if they tried.
I for one wish Amiga Inc. and partners the best of luck in succeeding at OS4 and the Amiga One. If OS4 comes out as scheduled I will probably get one if the finances permit. Even though my Windows PC does in fact satisfy most, if not all, of my NEEDS, it satisfies practically none of my WANTS in computing. To date, Amiga OS was the only computer to satisfy my wants, for that reason alone, I feel the Amiga One is worth looking at.
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Actually, from what I remember (perhaps Gary can help me out here), BeOS was abandon by Be just when it was really taking off for this stupid DC/IA/PDA/Cellphone/* Stinger OS since they were going to ride the wave. Remember that wave, the one DE is suppost to be riding on? If anyting, X86 increased the numbers of Be users and developers. Stinger, drove that entire group of users/developers away from BeOS.
Yes you are correct, one of the reasons BeOS died was because they gave up on the desktop OS for the PDA OS. The MAIN reason that they did this was because they couldn't even GIVE THE OS AWAY to the OEMs. If I remember correctly, Microsoft makes its biggest chunk of change on Windows from the OEMs, therefore, it would stand to reason that if BE could get some OEM action, they could have survived on the desktop. They couldn't so they gave up the desktop for a market that wasn't so saturated by Microsoft. I agree, though, if Be had been able to hold out longer, they might have actually started to gain some market share. It was very apparent, however, by the sudden shift, that they couldn't afford to wait long enough for BeOS desktop to gain enough marketshare to start reporting a profit.
I have no idea what you think is so magickal about PPC that will keep people around to use either OS4 or MOS. If anything, the short term gain by using PPC will be the boat anchor that drowns the OS in the long haul. It's great both OSs want to run with the big dogs, unfortunetly, they have this load stone called PPC that will grind them into the dirt.
Who said I thought PPC is magickal? I just said x86 was a dead end at this time. Look how long it took Be to even begin making inroads in x86, do you really think Amiga can afford to wait for Amiga OS to start taking hold on the x86 platform? I don't think so. If you are not going with x86, the best alternative, is PPC, IMO. (Not to mention the fact that the current state of Amiga OS makes PPC the easiest and quickest to port to at this time)
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First of all, we must be calm. We must be passive. We have to wait. Regardless of what we want or whine or bitch about, we won't know anything until they tell us. End of story.
I like the PPC board, but there's nothing for it. Just a bunch of 'possible GUI' shots. There's no software. There's not list that says what WILL run. It's vapor. Air. Nothing tangible. Wu3. When the OS comes, I will look and if I like and there is support, I will buy it.
Needless to say, Amiga Inc is shredding the Amiga Community. Some are MorphOS, Some are AOS4, some are die hard 68K. None are unified. None have a solution, just a stop-gab. There is nothing in the way of support for any of these, 'cos there is no money and the market is so small. Energy and effort is being wasted on nothing. Oh yeah, don't forget AROS.(which rocks, BTW) Regardless, all of these people have the same agenda, yet different ideas. AI, *SHOULD* have unified all of these people. After all, most were working for free, but a collabolation could have allowed an Amiga OS to run both 68K, PPC and X86 platforms. Why? 'Cos these coders were working in their spare time to recreate the OS that Amiga Inc had access too. Simply put, AI should have tried, but didn't.
I have no idea where AI is headed and I'm more here now for nostalgia. I don't run UAE anymore and Amithlon doesn't seem to want to run on my hardware anymore either. I appreciate all that have purchased products like the AOne board, 'cos it kept my dream alive, but I'm not about to drop cash on OS4, when all I've seen is jst some screenshots, a list of what it can do, a board that people are having problems getting Linux to run on and a non-existant list of updated, compliant and tested software that doesn't consist of games ported by the OS designers that are 3+ years old.
I realize that things take time, but it has been 3 years and all I have seen is a lot of people get suckered. I love the AmigaOS, but it can't do what I need it to do today and quite frankly, OS4 doesn't seem to be anything tangible.
Regardless of how we feel, there is nothing there. We have to wait.
And wait we will; patient or otherwise, we will have to wait.
Xun Hao!
Madin
No matter how much you gripe and complain, until AI says something, or the March CeBit show, we have to wait.
8-)
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So we wait, rant and wait, wait and rant...
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Yeah......CeBit is like a holy temple.......we should all go and pray outside it. :-D
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I'm not interested in supporting A-Inc at all
right now; there are way too many things wrong
with that picture for me even to think about
it. The idea of purchasing a 'protected'
solution from a company that has a hard time
managing coupons is laughable. Their misleading
press releases and relationship with Microsoft
don't exactly encourage me to sign up.
But hey - just more FUD. A-Inc hasn't actually
raised any concern by their very own conduct or
anything.