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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: bhoggett on December 01, 2002, 07:01:00 PM
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Bernd Meyer has today announced that the Amithlon project has been mothballed indefinitely.
Source: amithlon.net (http://www.amithlon.net)
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Well, there it is.
Thanks Haage and Partner.
You'll never see my buisness.
Nor will anyone else who tries to stand in the way of the "True Amiga".
You people need to understand that your evil plot is not going to work.
You can fight against Amiga Inc. all you want, but you're only hurting yourselves.
Go ahead and stand up for Pegasos if you wish.
It doesn't matter to me.
I know what I'm going to spend my money on.
Elbox, Haage and Partner, Pegasos...
Go your own way.
But I can almost bet you who the winner is going to be.
I don't know about the rest of the community, but I am quite fed up with all the dirty tricks and fighting.
Hyperion are professionals.
Bill McEwen is a professional.
Fleecy is the man.
Go ahead and go the route that Amiga has gone for many, many years and reap the benefits.
Bankrupt!!!
Amiga Inc. is finally giving me what I want out of a company.
One day, I predict that I will once again be buying amiga hardware and software just around the corner.
and I won't be ripped off with all the outrageous prices and availability issues that Amiga has had for years.
You are fighting a losing battle, and you will see one day, that I was right.( for once )
Hey Bill McEwen.
Keep the Amiga going buddy.
You're doing a fine job.
I hope your drive for the amiga does not lessen.
I hope that you are determined to put Amiga on the top again.
I hope that you are ready to prove all these cotton pickin people wrong.
Hyperion...
You take as long as you want to.
Make it right.
And show the rest of the world that Amiga is a quality product.
Thanks to everyone who believes in the true Amiga spirit.
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Sorry Bernie, thats sad :-x
Hope you can at least sleep better now and not have so many stressfull days.
I admit I never used Amithlon1 - and I will not buy it now.I was very interested in purchasing version2. I've ordered my AmigaONE and will get OS4 but I would've liked to try Amithlon as well on my x86 box.
J
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:cry: '''Bawww-wahhhh-ahhh :-( *sniff*
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ARGH!
Well, that just figures, every time I take an interest in something, it dies!
Though I'm not a registered user myself (only just got it - SECONDHAND before you assume anything), I found it to be very useful in getting up to speed (and up *in* speed) with Amiga on my current PC - just to fill the gap until I can afford an A1 and as a break from the everchallenging Windows.
I was very much looking forward to buying 'Nameless' v2, but I guess that's something we will never see now :-(
Too bad, Bernie - you had a great thing going there.
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You know what?
If Bernie's health is good enough, I hope that he can build some killer app for the AmigaOS4.
Talent like that should not be wasted and thrown away by people like Haage and Partner.
But after all that he's been through with H&P he will probably just stay at home and relax.
Hey Bernie, your efforts were not in vain.
We appreciate everything that you tried to do for us.
Thanks man!!!
You are now officially in Amiga History as one of the good guys.
Congratulations!
But I really hope that this is not the last we see of you.
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@monatimyst
Sorry to disagree again, but it seems that in fact Bernie did get
screwed by H&P only to be left standing in the rain by AInc for
over a year.
Add the PP to it, and calling McEven a "proffesinal" just
makes it to the number one spot in the joke_of_the_year list.
He could have gone against H&P last fall when the trouble started,
and a simple "ain't licenced" would have been enough, but he did
the exact opposite.
He could have sued them last spring instead of letting Bernie
spill the beans, he could have made his Sep.1st threats a reality.
All of this never happened, and so it was Bernie alone against
Harald and H&P.
"Amiga" has just suffered a fatal blow, and I don't think there
is enough market remaining for a recovery.
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This is such bad news.
No matter if you're pro or anti Amithlon, it cannot be denied that it deserved a place on dealers shelves. For it to end this way, when there is an obvious market for it, is utter sh!+e.
Although I'm not armed with any insider knowledge, I've enough gut-feeling to fully believe in Bernie's integrity in all of this, so I therefor have no doubts as to his rights to this software, in spite of the claims/threats of the others.
As far as I'm concerned, Hack & Patch, and Horrid Flunk can both go forth and multiply, it's just a shame there isn't a way to prevent them openly flaunting any kind of moral (lest of all, possible legal?) obligations to the IP they are currently 'pirating'.
Still, if enough people avoid contact with them, lack of funds may just drive them back under the rocks from whence they came.
-john
(thoroughy P'd off with a ruined weekend :~(
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He could have sued them last spring instead of letting Bernie
spill the beans, he could have made his Sep.1st threats a reality.
And how are you supposed to sue anyone when you are pulling out of a depression yourself.
You know it does take a lot of time and money to sue people in a court of law.
And time or money is not something that Amiga Inc. has a lot of these days.
Furthermore...
To say that Bill McEwen is not professional is dumb.
Bill McEwen has done more for the Amiga than anyone has in 10 years.
He actually is putting Amiga in a position to make money again, and he is bringing to us the first real product in 10 years.
You have nothing but opinion to back yourself up.
But if you will stand back and look, you will see that I am correct in what I said.
Bill McEwen Rulez!!!
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This comes as no surprise to me at all. I would like to say to everyone that made this happen, THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Coder
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And even furthermore...
My brother had the great honor of being able to go to one of the shows and shake Bill McEwen's hand.
He met all of the kewl Amiga folks.
Something I've never been able to do.
He got everyone's autograph.
Even Petro's :)
I only hope that one day, I will be able to go to one of the shows and meet these great people like my brother did.
And I would be honored...
I SAID I WOULD BE HONORED...
To shake Bill McEwens hand.
So cotton pickin' THERE!!!
I would also love to meet the Hyperion guys.
And also Fleecy "the mad man" Moss.
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Let me add a bit too,
The people at Amiga are very helpfull. I am not just saying this, but I had to deal with them on some issues and their response/help was super.
Coder
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I am just sad ... or angry?
Don't know...
Mason
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"nor will anyone trying to stand in the way of the true "amiga""
what kind of trolling are you doing here?!!? Jeesh.
Amiga Inc is just as much to blame as H&P, and you don't see me
swearing off of any Amiga Inc. products. Poor Bernie got cought in
the middle of a storm between these two companies. They are *BOTH* to
blame. Whoever was right or wrong in the beginning is of no concern
now! The only winners of this war is Hyperion and bPlan.
I can't blame Bernie for bailing, and I hope he has success in his
future endeavers. Now, for the event-line:
1. Amiga Inc. sends a threat to Bernie.
2. Bernie, to cover his tail, informs H&P
3. H&P tells Bernie not to worry about it (they believe they have a
legitimate licence).
4. Bernie worries about it.
5. Bernie pulls the plug with H&P
6. Amiga tells Bernie that they will support him.
7. Amiga does nothing.
8. H&P does nothing.
9. Bernie tries to continue development.
10.Bernie gets fed up.
Who is the bad guy? Amiga for making empty threats? H&P for not
straightening out their position with Amiga? Amiga for not retracting
the threat? Yes. ALL of the above. Do I blame all of these parties?
Only to a certain extent. While each of the parties involved want to
make a difference for the platform and community, they are also
businesses. They both have to meet deadlines, make the bottomline,
and all of the things that keep a business from going away.
I sincerely doubt anyone had an evil motive behind this; however,
nobody came up to bat with a way to really solve this thing that is
publicly known (and I'm public, and don't know of any).
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Targhan
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Yeah, whatever.
I'm heading on over to distributers websites now.
And whoever is selling Amithlon right now will never see my buisness again.
If I have to buy AmigaOne and OS4 straight from Amiga Inc. and Eyetech, that's what I will do.
Today's the day to do something about all of this.
I, for one am not going to sit back and watch junk like this happen anymore!
Bye Bye Softhut.com
Bye Bye Compuquick
Bye Bye anyone else who does not stop distribution of Amithlon XL.
Softhut and Compuquick...
I'm letting you know right now!!!
If you do not stop distribution of Amithlon XL, I will never darken your door as a customer again.
And I'm serious.
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@Targhan
1. Amiga Inc. sends a threat to Bernie.
2. Bernie, to cover his tail, informs H&P
3. H&P tells Bernie not to worry about it (they believe they have a
legitimate licence).
4. Bernie worries about it.
5. Bernie pulls the plug with H&P
Not quite right:
1. Amiga Inc tell H&P to stop.
2. H&P ignore them.
3. Amiga Inc tell Bernie the product is illegal and that action may follow. No direct threat against Bernie is made.
4. Bernie requests proof of licensing from H&P.
5. H&P refuse to show proof, saying "don't worry about it".
6. Bernie waits for Amiga Inc to make joint statement.
7. Amiga Inc seem reluctant to act.
8. Bernie decides he must act on his own.
the rest from 6 to 10 is about right, though there's a lot of c##p between 9 and 10 that really brought this on.
Time for an avatar change. :-(
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> Bye Bye Softhut.com
> Bye Bye Compuquick
> Bye Bye anyone else who does not stop
> distribution of Amithlon XL.
here here.
We're militant, we have money to spend, and we're pissed off.
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"not quite right"
Yes, you make valid points. However, I think the rift between
Amiga/H&P probably started earlier over OS4. I think the only
solution was for a contract change between H&P/Bernie that would
protect Bernie from legal action. Then, the war would have been
contained to Amiga/H&P. Then again, hindsight is 20/20. Can we go
sock all of these folks a good one?
For some other's postings.. I am supposed to discontinue use of
Amithlon, Elbox products, bPlay, EyeTech, and Amiga products... Uhm,
let's see here, NO. I may not agree with everyone's business
practices, but I refuse to let those practices destroy my little part
in this community. I enjoy the AmigaOS, and I enjoy the company--even
the belligerant Amigans!
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Sad day indeed. :-(
Bernie if your reading this then good luck with the future.
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This is the letter that has been sent to Softhut.com
It appears that compuquick cannot be reached by email.
That's not my problem.
Let it be known starting December 5th, 2002.
If you do not stop distributing a product called Amithlon or AmigaXL, I will never darken your door again as a customer.
AmigaOne and Amiga OS4 will soon be out, and I will be looking for someone to buy this product from.
If you do not stop distribution of Amithlon and AmigaXL, you will never again receive my services as a customer.
You have been served.
Brad Ray
If you are truly upset about the actions of Haage and Partner, and whoever else is involved, you will show it with your pocketbook.
If you are just full of a bunch of talk, then don't stand up for what is right.
It is your own personal decision.
As for me...
I have had enough of Haage and Partner.
I will never consider buying the project called "Pegasos", or the MorphOS.
I repeat...
You people will never, ever see any of my money if you do not make things right NOW!!!
Please everyone...
Start emailing these people and let them know that you will not support them if they continue to sell these products.
And also email Haage and Partner and let them know the same.
It's up to us.
And we must act now!!!
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@Targhan
However, I think the rift between Amiga/H&P probably started earlier over OS4.
No, it started earlier than that, probably as an indirect result of the extremely shady deal between Amiga's previous owners (in the person of Petro most likely) and H&P. Remember, Amiga Inc have never received any license payments for AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9, and while the deal surrounding 3.5 falls under the previous regime, it is hard to see how H&P think they should not pay licensing fees for OS 3.9.
I think the only solution was for a contract change between H&P/Bernie that would protect Bernie from legal action. Then, the war would have been contained to Amiga/H&P.
'fraid not. The Amiga Inc licensing thing was just the catalyst. Bernie's dispute with H&P is about the latter's failure to carry out their contractual obligations, and goes a lot deeper than the licensing issue. I have no doubt more details will appear on Bernie's "diary" as the month progresses.
I may not agree with everyone's business
practices, but I refuse to let those practices destroy my little part in this community.
Up to you. Of course, refusal to take any sort of action against certain people will probably be seen by those people as full endorsement for their actions and encouragement that they should continue. The reason the Amiga community is so rife with corruption and chicanery is because too many people are prepared to turn a blind eye due to some misguided sense of protectionism.
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I also just sent an email to Haage and Partner telling them the same.
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@mountainmyst
I also just sent an email to Haage and Partner telling them the same.
I think you're being somewhat childish in your attitude, this kind of hysterical abuse towards distros gives respectable and I might add mature Amiga users a bad reputation.
I understand people are rightly irritated and angry about this issue, but thats no excuse for throwing your pacifier out the pram and having a tantrum, sending complete bollocks to amiga distributers....
For christs sake man, it's hard enough to keep these people on board with us , without pre pubescants like yourself making a bad situation even worse...
And as for all this Bill rulez crap.... Christ on a ####ing bike... either youre a hormonaly challenged teenager or just 'challenged'
sorry to get abusive folks, but as a community on a bad day, we really dont want to burn our bridges.
Regards
SKyraker.
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I think you're being somewhat childish in your attitude, this kind of hysterical abuse towards distros gives respectable and I might add mature Amiga users a bad reputation.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
Let Haage and Partner nail Bernie to the wall.
Let's just sit back and watch it happen.
I guess I was acting immature, and childish.
Please...
Forgive me.
But then again, it is my right as a citizen of the world to stand up for what is right, and stand against what is wrong.
But then again, I guess that's just wishful thinking too, huh.
You're right.
You are so much smarter than I am.
We'll just do it your way.
Let's just watch Bernie burn.
But not me.
I will keep to my promise.
I've had enough.
and I personally will do what I have to do to help Bernie.
My money stays in my pocket until I can buy from a company who actually has a heart.
That's my right fellow.
That's the way it will stay.
Call me childish if you like, but at least I have the cotton pickin backbone to stand up and do something.
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@bhoggett
A sad day indeed.
From Bernie's letter it appears that he's pulling the plug on Amithlon, but I get the impression that he's likely pulling the plug on a larger scale. If so, this will be a tremendous loss.
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Just to put in a good word for the UK distributors, as far as I'm aware most of them stopped stocking the item when the controversy originally surfaced. I had a number of people complaining they could no longer source it anywhere locally after that.
Kudos to all those distributors who took a stand. I understand the economic argument made in this thread, but as long as no one is prepared to stand up for what is right, this sort of rubbish will continue.
When you have a garden full of weeds, what do you do? You pull them out, even if that only leaves you with bare soil, so that your own plants may eventually germinate and grow. Well, if we don't stop the Amiga weeds from killing off the genuine developers, will be garden be worth having?
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Amen.
Wisely thought out.
Thanks.
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@ne_one
From Bernie's letter it appears that he's pulling the plug on Amithlon, but I get the impression that he's likely pulling the plug on a larger scale. If so, this will be a tremendous loss.
Certainly, I believe Bernie has no intention of remaining in the Amiga market at all. After all that's happened, would you? He's a talented programmer, who will do much better for himself by focusing that talent elsewhere.
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A sad day indeed.
Bernie, go take your girlfriend to meet your folks. I bet their really looking forward to meeting your "Sheila" !!
When you return "Down Under" again, perhaps the waters will have calmed and you can take stock once again of your feelings towards coding for Amigas.
Perhaps you may (I hope) code some drivers and/or edit software for firewire cards for AmigaOne??
If you do .... I'm a definate customer !!
Take care ...
Paul.
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:-(
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A sad day.
Poor Bernie :-(
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May I say "SHUTUP!" I know this is bad, but theres no need to try to destroy the rest of what the Amiga has. Just move on!
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Yes sad indeed.
Never owned Amithlon, but it's too bad to see it end like this.
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SlimJim
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May I say "SHUTUP!" I know this is bad, but theres no need to try to destroy the rest of what the Amiga has. Just move on!
Sure you may, but I'm going to say it right back.
Shut up yourself buddy.
If you don't like the thread go somewhere else.
We all have a right to say whatever we want to here.
That's why it's called a forum.
I guess you think that if you lay there long enough, everything will get better?
Well, guess what?
It's not going to get any better if people don't stand against it.
If you want to play dead, then go ahead.
But leave everyone else alone.
and I didn't mean to be cruel.
I just wanted to proove a point.
So when I said, "shut up".
I did not really mean it.
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@mounatinmyst
You're an idiot.
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You're an idiot.
and you have no backbone sir.
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@mounatinmyst
Enough! I guess my earlier requests in the actual forum were not clear enough.
Let's get something straight here and once again, I am BEGGING YOU to stop and think about this situation. Neither you, nor I know all the facts in this situation. No one on this site outside Mr. Frank, Mr. Meyer (sp?), AI, and H&P know what has transpired in this situation. None of us can say with absolute clarity "who screwed who" where Amithlon is concerned. I am not calling anyone a liar, I am stating fact.
As such, until we reach such "total consciousness" on our deathbeds, stop trying to stir everyone up. From what I got out of Bernie's post, he'd simply gotten fed up with all of it to the point where he had to make a decision to walk away. Not necessarily for reasons of legality or even logic, but for the sake of his sanity.
After all, as a professional programmer, if he cannot sleep nights over a product that he probably wouldn't make money on (this IS the Amiga market after all), then why bother?
Trust me.... While I've given up the idea that supporting this "community" would even allow me to break even (an idea I gave up long ago) I truly share his pain. Some times this hobby just isn't fun any more and anyone who knows me knows that I sympathize with Bernie's feelings of "#### it", but....
Unlike you, I am objective enough to know that I do not know any of the details in this situation other than "he said, they said". As such, you don't see me (or most people here) willing to destroy the Amiga retailer market to back any one individual.
"In every story, there are three truths. The truth you're told, the truth you believe, and the truth that is.. -- Alfred Hitchcock"
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If you would have read a post that I made about 10 minutes ago, you would have seen that I had already "stopped".
Furthermore...
I don't see where I'm stiring anything up.
I haven't been going around throwing lies at people.
I said in one of my last posts that what I am doing is a personal decision, and I intend to stick with it.
If you read the posts, you will see that I have not said anything about distributors since you posted.
If you are telling me to stop giving my opinion, you might as well ban me now.
I have a right to talk just like you do.
As I said 10 minutes ago, I will not speak much on this anymore, and that's what I mean.
It is not because you are threatening me that I am calming down.
It's because I choose to calm down.
I will not speak against distributors anymore because I choose not to.
I never have taken too kindly for people trying to force me to do things when I'm doing nothing wrong.
And by the way, I appreciate this site as much as the next person wayne.
So thanks for staying around.
:-D
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It is not because you are threatening me that I am calming down.
I certainly am not trying to threaten you, or anyone else. All I am doing is calling for reason. This is a clear case of "he said, she said" and as expected, combatants are lining up on both sides of the ensuing argument. I don't care either way personally, because I have zero need to emulate a dead operating system with no decent software, but there is no need for gang war, name calling, and violence here.
That goes for everyone included, not just you.
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@Wayne
I don't care either way personally, because I have zero need to emulate a dead operating system with no decent software
When (and not if) OS4 ships on new hardware, are you still going to be such a pessemistic old git? ;)
That goes for everyone included, not just you.
It wasn't me, I wasn't there, you can't prove anything.
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because I have zero need to emulate a dead operating system with no decent software, but there is no need for gang war, name calling, and violence here.
I appreciate you clearing that up.
I also do not have any need for an emulator.
I hate those things.
I need a real OS to satisfy my needs.
But I hope that everyone here understands that I never meant to start any gang wars.
I never tried to start violence.
I am totally against violence.
If I caused any violence, I appoligize.
The only word that I used against another person, that I remember was "spineless".
That was because I was called an idiot.
Since I am now calm, I will say this...
I'm sorry to the members and guests on this board if I came across as hateful, or violent.
That was not my intention.
I guess I'm just different than most folks in how I express my opinion.
Now it's time to sit back and watch what happens with everything, and I hope that from here on out everything can go smoothly for all parties involved.
and I also add to my post this...
Although emulators are not my cup of tea, and I can't stand them...
That is no disrespect to Bernie.
I think he did a super job on what he was working on, and there isn't any telling what he had in store with the second release.
I never started these threads because I like emulators, but it made me sick about what happened to Bernie.
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To: Bernd Meyer
Thankyou for all the effort and patience you have put into Amithlon over these trying years. I did not get a chance to try out the original Amithlon; however, I was looking forward to the new "Amithlon/Berniethlon".
I will always remember your efforts to give us another alternative to replace our aging Amiga hardware.
Bernie, I wish you all the best in your future endevours.
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Gordon Proudfoot
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Isn't anyone starting a petition ? :-D :-o :-D
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Well, I guess I now have another 100USD to spend towards an AmigaOne or Pegasos. Consider me officially upset with the outcome of the mediation and the mothballed "Berniethlon". I was going to buy V1 about the same time it was pulled from the shelves, I guess they will never receive that money now.
No pint for this post... :-x
I just hope that KH wasn't involved in this somehow through some very sick twisted plot at dissasembling the Amiga community brick by brick.
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Another painful day in the ongoing Amiga saga.
Mr Meyer, Thank you for your fantastic effort and contribution to the Amiga world. Please don't be a stranger, drop us a line from time to time. I/we would like to be made aware of your future works.
Good luck and good health to you :-)
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I've just received a letter from Software Hut.
I sent them a letter back and apologized for the email I sent them.
After talking to Wayne and one or two other people, I realize that I was wrong in the way that I was approaching the situation.
Software Hut has no proof that Haage and Partner stole Bernie's work.
And neither do I.
I have my own personal feelings about the situation, but I will keep them to myself.
And I will act in the way that I feel is right for me.
The distributors are not wrong for selling Amithlon.
They are just doing what they need to do to make a living.
I will say this...
If Haage and Partner did wrong in this matter, I hope and pray that they are brought to justice by a court of law.
If I can't prove any wrong doing, I will not lash out at the Amiga distributors.
Sorry everyone.
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>And also Fleecy "the mad man" Moss.
Fleecy is quite lucid.
Bill McEwen on the other hand....
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You can pick all my postings apart if you want to Strobe.
I've said all the things I've said.
Some good, some bad.
I've apologized for what I might have been wrong about.
If you want to continue to hold my postings under a magnifying glass, then go right ahead.
I would rather not speak to you.
I am now trying to make peace, and that's what I'm going to do, no matter what you keep saying.
So to you, I will not reply again.
Now please, let it go.
And however you feel about me.
Fine.
But you will not provoke me into the kind of anger that I have already displayed.
I'm a peaceful man, but I'm not perfect.
But I do wished that I was. ;-)
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When (and not if) OS4 ships on new hardware, are you still going to be such a pessemistic old git? ;)
Yes. Or haven't you guessed by now that I'm not impressed with the choice of PPC? :-P
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I would like to say that I am ceremonially cursing HP + HF tonight. They will suffer a decade of misfortune now.
Mr Amithlon was a good guy and all those responsible deserve to rot in hell forever.
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Yup, I suppose discretion is the better part of valor. My copy of
Amithlon has a few more miles in her, and I cannot advise anyone one
way or another on amithlon. However, the facts may come out
eventually. Time will tell. Same goes for AOS4 and Morph, time will
tell if they are viable solutions.
I can only hope that somehow, in someway, that something positive
comes of this. Silver Cloud and all of that, ya' know...
Targhan
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As sad a situation as this is, I think it was the enevitable outcome. Also, I feel that this is a good thing.
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@bhoggett
Time for an avatar change.
Do the world a favour and keep the avatar, just to piss 'em off!
Cache Ya,
Craig.
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Well, what can be said... I never used Amithlon
and had no intention to do so. But it doesnt
take a genious to see the work involved.
I hope Bernie finds peace of mind and
comes out stronger. A single hardworking man
with a vision teared down by complete A*seholes.
I dont get it, how can there be room in the Amiga
community for this kind of ####heads.
I can somehow relate to the state of mind Bernie
has been going threw, Im glad he desided to stop
tourturing himeslf anylonger and call it quits.
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This whole situation sucks.
Bernd, I hope you enjoyed Harry Potter - I went to see it yesterday by myself. My girlfriend was working - but she refused to see it on grounds that it's "a kids film" ...... It's a cool film.
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Anyone have any idea how this will affect OS 5 ?
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OS5 ?
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@mounatinmyst
Its nice to see some people still have the balls to admitt that they we're wrong instead of making an argument worse by shouting and swearing ... esp. on a forum.
I respect that ...
Regards,
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RaaaaAAAARRGGGHhhHH! :-x
*calming down*
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This is probably the best thing to happen for the Amiga community (in the long-run), one less piece of fragmentation to stand in the way of progress!
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Baaah humbug :-x
At first I was luke warm at best about the whole AmigaOS-XL package and had quite a knee jerk reaction to people proclaiming that Amithlon was the best Amiga ever, and it was the only smart choice.
By the time Amithlon 2 was announced I was actually getting pretty excited about buying what looked to be one awesome product.
Now it is dead, Bernie seems to be beaten and broken and a few more comapanies and individuals look more questionable than ever. Truly sad indeed.
Good luck Bernie with whatever you do. :-(
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To Bernd:
Good luck with everything,
I hope that however is to blame for all this doesnt make any money from this, and fail in what ever they do.
I was going to buy you new V2, but it seems wont be able to now.
I hope you manage to make something that doesnt cause so much aggro for you.
Regards
Mostafa
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Bernie issued a statement in March relating to the legality of the AmigaOSXL product and stating it was unlicensed. We stopped selling the product at this time. If dealers purchased the product after this time they should have been aware that there were issues surrounding it's legality. The phrase "buyer beware" also applies to dealers.
My 2 cents.
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Hmmm.....
Well, what can I say? Am I concerned about Amithlons demise? Maybe. What I am more concerned about is the apparent churlish and downright negative attitudes of many on Amiga.Org
Its sad that Bernie has gone through all that pain, and for nothing it seems. The Amiga market (such as it is) is fragile.
Personally, I think Bill McEwen and the rest of Amiga Inc are doing a Sterling job. Many of you on this forum would have us all stuck with 68oxo, OCS/ECS/AGA (HA!) Amiga's!! What Bill et al has done is helped to turn around the notion that the Amiga as a format is dead. No longer is it that 'funny little games machine I had when I was a kid!'. It is so much more than that.
But I fear that no matter what Amiga Inc, Hyperion or anyone else involved in the phoenix like rise of the Amiga name is all a total waste of time.
Why?
Amiga.Org and many sites like it are one of the first places anyone will come to when doing a Google search on the Internet for Amiga news related sites.
And what are they going to find?
The utterly inane, childish, pathetic ramblings of a bunch of kids..... because, lets face it, some of you surely aint adults with some of the comments made on here!
Any advances, any good word of mouth that Amiga Inc manage to get into the brains of previous Amiga owners, potential new customers, or just the disinfranchised Windows users will be totally and utterly wasted!!!
Amiga Inc, H&P, Bernie, Harald..... thats it. They are the only ones likely to know for sure the situation, and all this bullsh*t speculation doesn't just make Bernies situation all the more painful, it chips away at any in-roads that Amiga Inc have made.
I find it utterly pathetic that Fleecy Moss and anyone else connected with Amiga Inc have to jump into a forum/site and put down some of the most ridiculous claims that get bandied around on the net.
I understand the right to Freedom of Speech, but I tell you what, why the hell don't some of you do some damn research before you go spouting off?
I future dominated by Microsoft and the PC is a future doomed, because no one monopoly should be allowed to run everything. Just like Sony cannot be allowed to run roughshod over Nintendo.
This is the first time I have come back to Amiga.Org for a long time, and quite likely, you wouldn't care in the slightest. But the irony is, I do care about the future of Amiga, which is why, nearly 15 years later, I'm still using them, yet I feel dismayed at coming to this site and seeing the drivel being written.
I wonder, using that same analogy, applied to someone who has been out of the Amiga arena for 8+ years, how they might react? Would they come back again and again to Amiga.Org? Or would they feel that they made the right decision based on some of the inane ramblings on here?
For the record, I think Wayne is doing a great job, rebuilding after his last hack, I don't even know the guy, yet in some of his replies I can see the exasperation and tone is reflected throughout.
The Amiga has had more chances than a rabbit crossing a 8 lane freeway!!!
How many more do you think you are gonna get?
Amithlons demise is sad news.... try not to add to it with ill informed, damaging nonsense, for I fear this really is the last chance saloon for Amiga.
Well, my thoughts probably aint your thoughts... feel free to BK Flame me!
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@ Galahad-Fairlight
Well spoken!
Although ...
I wonder, using that same analogy, applied to someone who has been out of the Amiga arena for 8+ years, how they might react? Would they come back again and again to Amiga.Org? Or would they feel that they made the right decision based on some of the inane ramblings on here?
True, some might be scared away, but others, like myself, aren't really bothered by it.
I am also a returnee, and though there have been times when you would need a machete to cut through all the FUD and bulls**t, I don't think the situation is that bad. Not compared to Ann, anyway.
I *do* think the community is way too split, with the different factions serving their own interests, but I won't go into that now.
Although I am currently an (newbie) Amithlon user I do very much look forward to AmigaOne/OS4 and I appreciate the work that has been done by Amiga Inc., Hyperion, Eyetech, Bernie and whomever else is doing anything *for* Amiga.
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@Galahad-Fairlight
We have a good group (~3500) of people here at A-Org. Overall I doubt you find a better quality discusion forum anywhere on the net. People are allowed to speak their mind here, only the most extreme get moderated. Yet overall the quality of posts typically are very high.
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I'm late as usual!
But I am still sad about Bernie. I really wanted to get Amithlon. When the word came out about it's questionable status I didn't buy it. Guess I won't get a chance to buy it now.
@Bernd Meyer
Get some rest and enjoy the beach for a while. cuddle with your Lady and enjoy life.
Oh!...........I'm sure your work, what ever you do for real, is helping people, probably far more than you know!
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