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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: System on October 17, 2002, 11:13:45 AM
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The Australian debut of the AmigaOne, the final hardware, will be demonstrated this Sunday in Sydney, Australia. So come along and check it out at ....
AmigaOne Australian Debut
You're invited!
Sydney Amiga User Group and Anything Amiga (www.anythingamiga.com.au) present, the AmigaOne Australian Debut.
Want to be one of the first in Australia to get a look at the new AmigaOne ...................
Well come along...
SAUG Website (http://welcome.to/SAUG)
DATE: Sunday October 20th
TIME: 2pm
LOCATION: Epping Community Centre, (School of Arts building), 9 Oxford Street, Epping NSW.
If your Sydney based or close enough to get there then see the following.
This coming Sunday the Sydney Amiga User Group in conjunction with user group member Ross Vumbaca and AnythingAmiga will debut the new AmigaOne.
So come along and see the first new Amiga hardware in many years ............ and join SAUG while your there.
For more information on the Sydney Amiga User Group please visit: http://welcome.to/SAUG (http://welcome.to/SAUG).
For those that can't make it a full run down on the event will be posted on the net via our website as soon as possible after the days activities in both text and mpeg video format.
So if you can make it we will see you all there this coming Sunday !!!!
If not we will post links to where you can see it on the net. !!
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Excellent :-D I'll bring my camera and chequebook.
tony
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AARRRGGGHHHH...........................
So close and yet so far....
It's killing me
Regards
Darren
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great but will they show linux on it or os4?
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Considering that, to the best of my knowledge, work has not even yet begun porting OS4 to the AmigaOne hardware, my money is on Linux.
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Uhh yet another Linux Demo, This is really worth it all..
Give us the f****** OS 4.0 NOW
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I wouldn't expect to see AOS4 running on new hardware until 2004, if at all. The only public demonstrations of any new non-Linux related software have been AOS3 with a few elements which will part of AOS4 running on a A4000.
I mean cripes it wasn't long ago that they bragged that exec was native. Woop de do!
You can get a similar experience by running Linux on a slow PC and then crashing your Amiga by pouring iron filings on the motherboard. This is really pathetic, I feel sorry for the people who have to display this stuff.
I just read a report from the "Finnish Amiga User Group 2002 meeting held in Oulu, Finland on September 28th, 2002" and the ReadMe.txt said:
vuosi2002_11.jpg: AmigaOneG3-SE motherboard, sadly missing a working BIOS.
Deliveries should start by Christmas.
vuosi2002_12.jpg: AmigaOne-XE prototype, which refused to boot. The user
group will demonstrate a working AmigaOne at a later date.
vuosi2002_13.jpg: Pegasos setup all ready to rock. Notice the gracefully
placed microphone used for Shoutcast streaming.
I mean crap, they didn't even get to demo Linux on the boards! The cards were displayed like pieces of art while the Pegasos was doing all kinds of cool things on new hardware.
It's embarassing!
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By the way when they say "Deliveries should start by Christmas" that only referres to the AmigaOne hardware with the G3 soldered on the motherboard. It doesn't refer to AmigaOS 4, it doesn't rever to AmigaOneXL, and it doesn't refer to a bright future for this platform.
We have yet to see AmigaOS 4 proper, even running on 68k Amiga hardware. Even when we do I very much doubt the libraries will be PPC native. Even when all that is done we won't be any closer to seeing AOS4 on new hardware.
All I ask is nobody be duped into buying this hardware thinking this will bring them any closer to AOS4 running on new hardware. I'm counting the days before somebody suggests doing just this.
What a bummer.
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Your optimistic outlook is out of touch with the reports of those developers that actually have these boards. It seems to be the attitude "if I[/u] haven't seen it, then it doesn't exist."
If I order one now, I will at least get a new mobo to play with, and an OS that can support development. I don't care that I can't run AOS4 on it yet. I can at least play with boot loaders, device drivers and all the other development that has to be done to bring the new hardware up to the level of the 68k platform.
Besides, the DE runs on the Linux platform - sooner or later it has to be ported to the PPC. I remember years ago when this Kommunity consisted of people who were prepared to "'ave a go".
The more of us that start doing something, instead of just whingeing, the better.
tony
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There are a lot of us actually doing something.
But if we don't get any new OS or Mobo, then I personally will stick to whom ever delivers.
ATM it seems as if the Peggy with MOS is the way to go.
At least they deliver, as far as I can tell.
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1) You can't develop AOS4 drivers on Linux. You can mess around with bootloaders and develop Open Firmware drivers if you want. But then again you could do that now with an Apple or Sun machine, or a Pegasos. Plus they will run OS X, Solaris, or MorphOS respectively.
I dont care about Linux. If I did I could run it on one of my PCs or one of my Macs. This isn't a selling point.
2) DE is not Amiga. I mean what's next, is Amiga Inc. going to repackage horsemeat and call it AmigaFood™? It doesn't even share the API!
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WHAT'S THIS ABOUT OPEN FIRMWARE? THERE IS NO FRIGGING OPEN FIRMWARE ON THE AMIGAONE. We use PPCBoot instead, with x86 emulator for graphics card initializing.
For your information, the reason the SE didn't have firmware is because the firmware hadn't been shipped.
And the XE ran Debian GNU/Linux the week before in Gothenburg (same motherboard, my harddrive).
My god, the amount of plain wrong info you see every day here is just unbelievable. I guess spreading FUD really works, since so many don't bother to CHECK THEIR GOD DAMN FACTS BEFORE POSTING.
And why the frell would you "develop Open Firmware drivers" anyway? _YOU_ don't develop OF drivers, the card manufacturer does. And then he puts it into the flash on the card and allows you to use it under OF. Not so with PPCBoot.
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Its just an X86 board, with a PPC. I'd see if it i wernt 6 hours away. I would if OS4 was going to be demoed or if it was going to be a really big event. But then again, its this sunday, not much notice.
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I can understand that people do not feel much for seeing Linux run on the A1. It's of interest for people that are looking for a machine to run Linux on. But most people want it for OS4. But for that we have to wait. And yes, Pegasos/MOS can be bought. Well the beta program. It's tempting but I want A1/OS4.
Let's wait for some months. I know I said it some months ago too. And before that too. And... well next year I am sure we will have it.
Coder
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>We use PPCBoot instead, with x86 emulator for
>graphics card initializing.
You say this as this would be something special.
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Its just an X86 board, with a PPC. I'd see if it i wernt 6 hours away. I would if OS4 was going to be demoed or if it was going to be a really big event. But then again, its this sunday, not much notice.
Hmmm... depends on what you mean by "an x86 board with a PPC". Yeh, it's got similar chips and systems on it to an x86 board, but the very fact that it has a PPC makes it, by definition, not an x86 board. And it's got a few things that neither of my x86 systems have...
Anyway, on Sunday it's gonna be a lot more than just a room full of people standing around one AmigaOne board. It's gonna be a BIG day - lots of classic machines, amithlon machines, perhaps a special phone-in guest speaker (won't say more at this point since it's not 100% confirmed yet AFAIK) and Doug from AnythingAmiga will be down with some special deals on hardware, software, misc. Certainly not an event to miss if you live within 10 hours of Sydney!
Regards,
Ben.
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Dont worry ole, thats just strobe showing how
misinformed he is. As usual.
He, cheesegrate and shawn are all different faces
of the same glove puppet.
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Yes, but whose hand has he up him?
Anyway, just got back from the meeting. There were about 30 people there, a good turnout considering the short notice.
Ross Vumbaca had his development system on show. He had a G3-SE with several uninteresting IDE devices, an elderly PCI graphics card and a SCSI adaptor. The output of the gfx card was connected to a large Sony flat panel screen so everyone could see it while sitting down. When asked, Ross admitted that he didn't have a spare AGP card to plug into it (see below).
As expected, there was only Linux available to demonstrate the hardware; however, the board did have the new BIOS fitted and was able to boot from an ethernet LAN connection. The boot speed was consequently limited by the ethernet transfer speed, and the speed of the laptop at the other end of the cable.
Ross gave us a walkthrough of the board layout, followed by the demonstration itself. Ross has a personal stripped-down Linux kernel which he uses, so only a few functions could be shown. However, the demonstration was of the PPC hardware, not of Linux.
After some Q&A, we had a chance to play with the machine, take photos, etc. This machine had a heat sink on the CPU, but no fan on it.
To try out the AGP gfx card support, we plugged in a G400 DH Matrox card, but there was no video from it. It appears that the Matrox support is not completed.
Later we had a phone call from Alan Redhouse, sounding very 7 o'clock-on-Sunday-morning. But he was able to answer a number of ticklish questions from the audience.
To sum up, we have seen the G3-SE working. Big deal, some might say, but at least we are further along now. Looking forward to AOS4 being released.
tony
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Hi Tony,
To try out the AGP gfx card support, we plugged in a G400 DH Matrox card, but there was no video from it. It appears that the Matrox support is not completed.
Interesting. If Ross get's a chance to test the G400 again, you'd want to make sure it's flashed with BIOS version 2.1. Earlier versions (v1.6 from memory) had issues displaying certain VESA modes.
Thanks for the report.
Cheers,
Fot
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Hi,
Are you referring to the Matrox' BIOS? That's a good point.
Regarding the presence of an elderly card, I have only had the AmigaOne for a few days, I simplay had no time/inclination to go out and acquire one instantly. I want to shop around first so I know what there is to buy (I prefer an ATI Radeon).
Tonyw: I forgot to ask who you were on the day, because I suspect that I know your son whose name is Andy and goes to Sydney University. If I have the right guy, pass on a Hi :)
Regards,
Ross..
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Yep, I was referring to the Matrox BIOS.
By the way, did anyone take any shots of the A1 PPCBoot/Firmware screens. It would be interesting to find out what options can be configured.
Cheers,
Fot
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Hi Ross,
Yes, that's me (or Andy) :-D
BTW, I checked my card after fot's post and find it's version 1.6 all right. I shall have to find out what's required to upgrade the Flash. Checking Matrox website . . . found update.
Loading update . . . loaded. I now have BIOS version 2.1-35.
Would you like to try it again some time? I realise that it's not that important, but you already have an older card running OK. If this three-year-old card runs OK and a new ATI works as well, then it's all good news.
tony
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Hi,
Tony: Ahh ok, perhaps it's worth trying it again now that it's been updated, perhaps it will work.
Fot: There are some photos/mpegs of the day to be released soon. I notice your in Australia, not in Sydney I assume? ;)
Ross..
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Thanks Ross,
I look forward to checking out the photos and videos as I'm in Melbourne.