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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: seer on October 04, 2002, 02:02:39 AM
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MOS Beta test 2 (http://www.morphos-news.de/?lg=en&nid=96&si=1)
"Back to the Future".. I heard that kind of slogan somewhere before
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I am almost interested in purchasing a Pegasos MB.
Sigh.. Almost is not good enough...
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Hey, I'm very interested in any PPC hardware. But not enough to buy each and every one. I'll probably get me an XE really soon, though.
But back to topic:
Who wrote that text? It's near to perfect english, for heavens sakes. I thought that was frowned upon in the MOS camp ;-)
Ok, ok. Sorry. I just had to :-P :-P
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[color=FF0000]Newsflash Newsflash[/color]
Suggested retail price reduced to 500 Euro + VAT (http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=96&page=6) :-D
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@Kronos
That's their reduced price? That's more than I'm paying for my A1. No I havent got it yet, any day now(TM)
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@Red
Huh ? Remeber that it was a long time ago when you ordered your board,
and that you won't get an OS with it (Linux doesn't count).
The $_2_Euro exchange is more in favour of the right side of the pond
atm and the latest prices from are Eyetech are also 500$/Euro for the
SE not the XE.
So after you also bought OS4, you might be a few bucks in the +, but
you did wait >0.5 years for the HW and ??? for the SW.
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Back to the future? J miner? Ehehe come on this is ridiciolous...
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@Elektro
What about this:
"Amiga, Inc. established itself in 1985 as the premier provider of multimedia technologies to the world."
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Yes?
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LOL (http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=96&page=2)
(http://www.plauder-smilies.com/happy/roflmao.gif)
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What the #### is that all about?????
It looks like linux to me.
I'm confused.
@kronos
Why doesn't Linux count?
Cheers,
Graham C
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@Elektro
YES !!!!
Cause this should have read:
"AmigaInc was founded in 1983, collapsed in 85, was bought by C=,
who sold a few million home-computers and collapsed in 94,
followed by Escom (R.i.P.), GateWay (got away lucky) and finally
ended at AmigaInc (totaly unrelated) who put the boing on something
completly differnet"
If McBill wants to claim the past than he has to live with all of it.
I think just leaving it would be better, and claiming that they
had 17 years experience in anything else than eating cheeseburgers
is completly ridiciolous ( perfect PR-material).
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@Crumpster
If you really want to run Linux than why would you want to buy
an A1 (or Pegasos) ???
OS4/MorphOS is ALL that counts for these boards.
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Ehehehe...
Who gives a s#it really hehehehe...
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OS4/MorphOS is ALL that counts for these boards.
I suppose your right sort of, but linux can be useful in some respects, namely Hardware testing before MOS/AOS is out.
Cheers,
Graham C
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I'm confused.
Hardly surprising, since you've just read a post by Shawn The Bus-Arch Troll.
No one else could be so stupid as to confuse Linux running KDE with a themed replacement shell for Windows.
Nice to see that MOS has its share of cretins to even up the score. (there are plenty on the AmigaOS4 side too)
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Huh ? Remeber that it was a long time ago when you ordered your board,
Yes it was, but remember I *chose* not to get mine until the new firmware was completed. The same price will be honored when I get it real soon(for real this time).
and that you won't get an OS with it (Linux doesn't count).
Huh? Well as for the end user version, no. But that will not cost alot and I will get a discount:-D BTW Thendic has not promised free MOS to betatesters, only beta versions. Not much different IMO.
and the latest prices from are Eyetech are also 500$/Euro for the SE
Don't be surprised if this goes down some. Also all I see is this:
Fact: Eyetech sold bare A1 motherboards to 'betatesters/developers' for $450 with no end user OS.
Fact: Thendic are now claiming to sell bare Pegasos boards to betatesters/developers for $500 with no end user OS.
Fact:Eyetech is extremely late delivering remaining developer/end user boards.
Fact:Thendic are also late.
Fact:Pegasos boards are made at the DCE manufacturing plant.
Fact:A1 boards are made in the far east.
Fact: -edit- ;-)
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Fact: they're all the same although some are worse than the other...
:lol:
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BTW Thendic has not promised free MOS to betatesters, only beta versions. Not much different IMO.
Check your sources !!
from:
http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester-en.htm (http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester-en.htm)
2. A free copy of the commercial release of MorphOS for PPC v1.0 when it is ready.
Also:
The boards are made by bPlan on bPlan's assembly line which is at DCE.
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The boards are made by bPlan on bPlan's assembly line which is at DCE.
I never understood this. What's this suppose to mean? "Bplans assembly line at DCE".
I mean really...
"ABIT boards are made on ABIT's assembly line over at some OEM manufacturer whom you've never heard about..."
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That's simple:
The line is owned by bPlan and they can use it whenever they
want to. Mr Dellert is housing it (for free I guess) and can
use it at other times (maybe he has to pay for it).
So DCE didn't need to invest $$$$ in those machines (look
Andre I've learned it :-P ) and bPlan don't have to buy or
rent a room for it.
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Electro wisely typed:
LOL (http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=96&page=2)
(http://www.plauder-smilies.com/happy/roflmao.gif)
Awe come on now Electro... no more picking on Shawn and his many facited dillusions. That post is funny as all hell though.
That reminds me, I now own the copyright to the word "the" so you can no longer use "the" without paying me heavy royalties... :-D Any company who uses "The" for any of their products will be sued.
:pint:
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...the evil forces strides forward to councer the world..
Prepare to meet the fallen angel, MorphOS is here !
[from an imaginatve perspective]
:-D
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I like this slogan - if only because it makes "I Am Amiga Club" sound less lame in comparison. :-D
By the way, spot the error in logic. How can you go back to the future? Even if bPlan have a time machine (still waiting for the Thendic announcement on that one), going back to the future isn't possible since it would be the present when you got there. :-)
I suddenly feel vulnerable to fire...
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@Kronos
Wasn't it the assembly line that used to belong to P5?
Thought DCE _bought_ it along with the rights to diffrent P5 hardware designs?
Now it's suddenly owned by ex- P5 people again... I'm confused :-)
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I like this slogan - if only because it makes "I Am Amiga Club" sound less lame in comparison.
Yeah.. It's almost as good as "Amiga: Back for the Future"... Remember that one ? ;-)
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I'm almost tempted to offer everyone who wants to stir up trouble accomodation, hotel and false passes to this convention.
hehehehe!
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Yeah.. It's almost as good as "Amiga: Back for the Future"... Remember that one ?
Oh yes, it's burned into my memory like acid. ;-) Amiga users, as a community, have had to put up with the lamest slogans humanity can devise. Some make this bPlan one look like a work of original genius in comparison. Remember "Keep the Momentum Going?" Aaaargh! :-o
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I'm almost tempted to offer everyone who wants to stir up trouble accomodation, hotel and false passes to this convention.
You mean an all-out riot on the streets of Frankfurt?
That would bring some high-profile publicity, if it wasn't for the fact that there would most likely be less than a hundred participants...
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Wasn't it the assembly line that used to belong to P5?
Thought DCE _bought_ it along with the rights to diffrent P5 hardware designs?
Now it's suddenly owned by ex- P5 people again... I'm confused
I always speculated that transaction was just to shelter the equipment from creditors.
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i'm confused.
First they said they would release in september. Then it was December. Then it was THE day at 12 october but 12 october seems to be selling beta-boards without the final Morphos version :-?
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i'm confused
Welcome to the world of Amiga product announcements.
I'm still waiting for my Abox:-P
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It's more like "Back into the Past"
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BOXER, Boxer, boxer, ...
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I always speculated that transaction was just to shelter the equipment from creditors.
Heh.. ur prolly right...
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Hmmn, I'm tempted to do something for that website they mentioned. If I wasn't so busy with my Entry portfolio, creating a new site for my mate's web hosting company, my new (crappy) and doing stuff for Flying Paper, I'd probably give it a go.
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There was no working boxer.
About 50 external testers have a pegasos right now.
Spot the difference?
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About 50 external testers have a pegasos right now.
I thought Thendic claimed it was over 120?
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Well, my figures are quite old.
I just gave an example, I didn't ask about the current number of testers/developers to write that:P
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These guys seem to be splashing around the money a bit!!! Whats up with that? correct me if i read it wrong, but it seems like they are providing for peoples travel to the show. Surly they wouldnt provide a flight from Australia to Germany or where ever it was...
they're also giving out very nice prices...
wow...
With all this money flighing round, i hope they have a good product at the end of all this hype.
As i've said before i wouldnt mind trying it, but ill give AmigaOS a go first.
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at the end of all this hype.
hehehehe... ;-)
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These are good news. Does anyone knows the commercial release date?
Electro you should put also the irc server name of #Amiga.org. Where is it?
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Where have they gone our signatures!
I Just saw your profile and saw that the server was on your signature (irc.webchat.org) and then I realise that mine was gone too from my posting! Does this happens only when you post on a news item or something changed recently?
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Where have they gone our signatures!
The signatures don't show in the news comments section, only in the forum posts.
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Don't forget, that Pegasos has Sound card, Ethernet, USB and Firewire integrated on motherboard,
AmigaOne hasn't got all of those on-board, so if you'd like to have one, you would have to buy it separately.
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Don't forget, that Pegasos has Sound card, Ethernet, USB and Firewire integrated on motherboard,
AmigaOne hasn't got all of those on-board, so if you'd like to have one, you would have to buy it separately.
Hmmm.. Except for the firewire you are so wrong..
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Nevermind.
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According to this (http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/information.php) he is..
Damn you electro ;-)
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Nevermind...
No problem zeer. :-D
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Don't forget, that Pegasos has Sound card, Ethernet, USB and Firewire integrated on motherboard,
AmigaOne hasn't got all of those on-board, so if you'd like to have one, you would have to buy it separately.
Hmmm.. Except for the firewire you are so wrong..
Hey, if you're too lazy to read text, you should at least read, what you're quoting!
As I said, AmigaOne hasn't got ALL OF THOSE on-board...
(Well, I was just too lazy to check, what of those A1 has...)
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@ Electro
You are so gonna get it !
@Jupp3
AmigaOne hasn't got all of those on-board
I read this as it doesn't have onboard sound, USB, etc etc... If you wrote "hasn't got some of those "...
(Well, I was just too lazy to check, what of those A1 has...)
Just point to your browser to google :-P ... (Only thing I'm looking for is a readable spec sheet of both the A-1 and the Peggy, side by side, a comparison.. anyone found that ?)
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zeer:
BRING IT ON!!!
:-D :-D
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@seer
The A1 has sound "on-board" ?
Thought that was on the (invisible) AMR ....
Just came back from the Videobörse in Bremem (general computer
fair/sale) where the UDN-usergroup demonstrated two Pegasos-systems
with MorphOS and Linux, and even I didn't manage to crash it !!
And believe me I tried (and played Software-Thycoon on it, but thats
nothing for me I think).
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The A1 has sound "on-board" ?
Thought that was on the (invisible) AMR ....
Maybe the AMR is on the bottom ?
and even I didn't manage to crash it !!
You ain't Bill GAtes y' know !
So, what do you think about MOS now ? Is it what you expected ? Come on, give us a review of some sorts !
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@seer
The A1 (Linux only) is gone go on sale in 9 days (according to KDH
that is) and sofar noone has seen an AMR-card for it. Go figure !
As I said MorphOS was stable and featurde the same theme that was
shown in the last screenshots. There wasn't much SW installed
(SW-Thycoon Feeble Files , 3 ScummV-titles, movieplayer (WOS)),
but that stuff ran at really nice speeds, and also
some of the included demos ran parallel in windows.
Is it what you expected ?
Let's put it this way:
I have been looking for an "fast exit", but the room was at the
back end of the fair with ~1000 people between me and the open
street. Thats why I'm typing this on my old system :-x :-x :-D
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@Kronos
Hmm.. thought you had got the Peggy already ?
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@Kronos
The A1 (Linux only) is gone go on sale in 9 days (according to KDH
When hell freezes over.
Coder
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@Coder
That would be in ~6,000,000,000 years when the sun and
most other stars will run out of fuel ....
.... but what is a bit of waiting for a real fan ? :-P
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even I didn't manage to crash it !!
um, were you expecting it to crash, often? or that you lucked out.
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Doesn't the A1 have all of those? I know Allen Redhouse mentioned that the board has a header for either IR or Firewire. I just can't remember which..
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@aego
IR ? Not on the board, but maybe on the vapor AMR.
FireWire ? Not in the southbridge, and not important (according
to Ben, video-freaks may beg to differ).
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@Kronos
"IR ? Not on the board, but maybe on the vapor AMR."
there waas no need to add the vapor part to that comment as your asking for it to be thrown back in your face.
as the cpu module for the Bplan mobo is just as much vapor.
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The thing to keep in mind about the AMR is that anything "on the AMR" is actually on the board.
The AMR itself is just the physical ports - all the logic is provided onboard.
As far as Firewire goes - I've needed it once... ever... in my entire life. If I ever want Firewire with my AmigaOne I'll get a PCI Firewire card from my local dealership. I'd hate to pay extra for my board to have something so non-essential on it.
The onboard stuff on the AmigaOne is all USEFUL (admittedly, you may not use the modem if like me, you have cable, but because of chip choice, the modem is pretty much a freebie anyway)
Regards,
Ben de Waal
AKA YttriumOx
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@YttriumOx
Onboard or not, that is not the question since Eyetech claim to have
the boards consumer-ready in a few weeks, the board has been unchanged
for months (the HW), but still they don't seem to have one single AMR.
FireWire:
How long do we have PCI-boards for the Amiga ? And how long are USB-PCI-
cards available ? And why did it take a (2) costum Zorro-cards before
someone actually did write an USB-stack ?
Sofar noone on the OS4-side has been talking about writting one, and
I don't see how an 3rd-party could make some money on it, because as
long as there is no driver, there won't be any modern video-SW for it,
and as long as there is no SW, there won't be the need for an driver ....
Paying extra ?
The suggested retail price for the Pegasos is the same as for the
A1-SE, and 100 Euro/$ less than the XE. And that doesn't even include an
OS for the A1s. So yes I also hate paying extra for things I don't need,
and "the name" is definitly one of those.
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"FireWire:
How long do we have PCI-boards for the Amiga ? And how long are USB-PCI-
cards available ? And why did it take a (2) costum Zorro-cards before
someone actually did write an USB-stack ?"
i really dont know what your point is
& anyway there was need for other pci drivers first like gfxcards,soundcards,networkcards,tv card,warp3d drivers,ect.
"Paying extra ?
The suggested retail price for the Pegasos is the same as for the
A1-SE, and 100 Euro/$ less than the XE. And that doesn't even include an
OS for the A1s. So yes I also hate paying extra for things I don't need,
and "the name" is definitly one of those.
what crap if the price of the pegasos with firewire is 500 euros but if they had not put the firewire onboard the that board could of been sold for less lets say 460 euros.
but you knew that & you just had to twist the comment by turnning it into the price of the Aone with the price of the pegasos when that was not the point of the comment at all, it was just no matter what the price is leaving the firewire off would bring the price down for the pegasos, so the price of the aone has noting to with the price of the of the pegasos with out firewire
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@Alkemyst
The point is that FW for the A1 will face the same problems as
USB for the Amiga had. Noone will feel the need to write drivers
aslong as noone has FW, and noone writes SW to use it. Noone will
write SW that relies on FW aslong as their is none ...
By making FW standard bPlan allowed development for a fixed API
and stuff like MotionStudio becomes possible.
FW is part of the southbridge used on the Pegasos, and I would
guess that the connector and other needed extra parts are well
under $10. Sounds resonable for something such powerfull (and
quite expensive if bought on PCI).
Why did I bring the A1 into it ?
Both companies are forced to make one product that offers what
they think their customers want. BPlan decided that this bundle
should include FW, while Eyetech decided that theirs should be
labeled "Amiga". So I could also ask what would an TeronCX-MK2
with OS4-licence, but without "AmigaOne-the_name-licence" cost ?
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@Kronos.
i disagree.
the amiga never had gfx cards as standard or CDromdives,zipdrives,DVDdrives,gfxcards,soundcards., when they first hit the market.
just because there is no FW as standard it does not meen it cant be added & most ppl know that it can be & thus could make SW that uses FW as an option.
if the demand for such SW is there then the driver would most likey come with that SW for a select range of cards.
the amiga had no midi as standard but the demand for midi was high thus SW was still made with midi in mind like OSS & Bars&Pipes Pro & many others.
but the amiga lost out to the atari on that front & no wonder was ppl where telling CBM give us MIDI as standard when they where working on the AGA chipset.
so it can work both ways if a feature is included & has a high demand then all good & well & your onto a winner but if its not then its mostly wasted.
sorry but i dont see the high demand for FW from ppl wanting the Aone or XE.
& your forgetting the amiga way of doing things.
if it does not come as standard & there is a worth while demand from amiga ppl for it then it will be made as an addon.
just look at what my A1200 has on it now.
& most of what on my amiga was never ment to be in the first place but the demand made it so.
but now its much easyer than before no more HW hacks. just a driver & thats all as ppl can just go out & bye the card they need.
USB took so long as there was little bemand for a long time.
& at first its better to provide the most commonly wanted ports as a priority & then have the least used as addon cards & PCI is used more.
you make it sound like most amiga ppl want to do realtime Video work as a priority & then yes FW built in would be better, but if the need was clearly there then some one would jump at the chance to provide a FW card driver & realtime video SW.
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@Alkemyst
See it the other way:
BPlan had been cooperating with epic and Titan even before they
had finished the mATX-design (remember the dual-ZIF-version), and
at one point Titan may have said "we think there is a market for a real-
time video editor, and we want to write one". What was bPlan's
reaction ? Something like " cost next to nothing as it is allready in
the southbridge". Sure it would/could have happen as an PCI-addon,
but that would have taken more time, and MotionStudio would have
been more expensive for the costumer since they would have needed a FW-
card for it. Everyone who buys a board and than thinks about video, will
only need to buy the SW to get thinks going.
Porting MotionStudio to OS4 id impossible as as there is no working
FW-solution, and I don't see anybody starting on it.
For your examples:
CD-ROM were introduced by C= (CDTV)
GFX-cards were custom (expensive) Zorro-cards that needed SW. This SW
could later easily be reused for PCI-cards.
A ZIP-drive is just standard Unit handled by the device of a custom
SCSI (or IDE) controller. No extra SW needed.
Soundcards did start the same way as GFX-card, but in this case
someone later wrote a free and general SW (AHI) for them, but still
there would never be any support for if some companies didn't
sell the HW.
The only realistic way of adding FW to OS4 (other than in the OS
itself) is dongeling the card in the same way as the Spider is, and thats
something that simply sucks !
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It's official: There will never be a real time video editor for a1 as it has no FW on board. Please excuse me while I go hang myself...
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@Elektro
:lol: :lol:
Not "never" but later, just like the MIDI/Atari problem and that was
the reason why the Amiga never played an important role for proffessinal
musicians. Those who are still using a Amiga or Draco for proffessinal
video (mostly smal companies doing wedding-movies or so) want
to replace their aging systems with something that allows them to use
(parts of) their existing SW, and I don't think they will care about
the name-badge. That market will allready be lost when someone finally
decides to write such a SW for OS4.
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By this logic morsos should conquer the video editing market like a storm...
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@Kronos
"See it the other way:"
i was not talking about how i see it i just said what has happened in the way thing have worked in the past when it comes to amiga.
& you try to make out that it could never work that way, but it did.
"BPlan had been cooperating with epic and Titan even before they
had finished the mATX-design (remember the dual-ZIF-version), and
at one point Titan may have said "we think there is a market for a real-
time video editor, and we want to write one". What was bPlan's
reaction ? Something like " cost next to nothing as it is allready in
the southbridge". Sure it would/could have happen as an PCI-addon,
but that would have taken more time, and MotionStudio would have
been more expensive for the costumer since they would have needed a FW-
card for it. Everyone who buys a board and than thinks about video, will
only need to buy the SW to get thinks going."
i agree with that, but it does not mean if it aint done that way from the start that it could not be done later.
& just cos Bplan think there is such importance for video work it does not mean that everyone else should
& anyway if Video work is a big issue then im sure them ppl would be doing on the MaC already.
& also you asume that that ppl still doing video work on there old amigas dont care about the amiga lable, say your wrong as if they really wanted to upgrade there settup to do better video work then
they could of gotten them self a by now Mac thats if all that matters was the features & not the lable then why havent they got then selfs a mac & made life easyer.
MOS is not amigaOS BPlan mobo is not amiga either. it just a another ppc computer with FW.
cos as soon as the SW is made MOS native it nolonger amigaOS SW, ITS MOS SW.
soory but you just seem to be some that thinks what he sees as good for him would be good for every one else
& i fedup with the same crap when i see MOS ppl saying get a pegasos to ppl wanting an Aone cos the pegasos got a FW port.
ppl know by now that the Aone has no FW aas standard so there is no need to keep ramming it down our necks.
if some ppl who would like FW & like to do video work but are not willing to give up the amiga name & OS to do so then a solution will be made im sure.
if not then they get a pegasos end of story.
the amiga was not made with the video toaster in mind but demand groow for it then it was made.
so the wait & see approche does can work as well.
putting features in first & hopeing can back fire.
atari did not put midi in cos atari users asked for it so they got lucky & it took off.
ppl used Macs mostly for midi work before.
its alway more risky putting features in & hopeing ppl will want it than
than putting in features that ppl aksed for.
come to think of it why aint the Bplan & Aone come with Midi bulit in. im into music so screw the FW & replace it with a midi port.
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Alkemyst wrote:
[...] BPlan mobo is not amiga either. it just a another ppc computer with FW.
What?
Newsflash: In case you really hadn't noticed, there won't be any more Amigas. Fortunately there are only various "just another PPC computer" from third parties, like the Terons/"AmigaOnes", Pegasoses, PowerMacs or whatever. Unfortunately, a trademark license will control whether AmigaOS will be allowed to run on it.
A "Pegasos vs. Teron" flamewar is both meaningless and ridiculous. It's just some pieces of hardware. We should be allowed to buy what we prefer and install our OS of choice on.
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Seehund you still stuck on that grove.
what make the Aone an amiga is that it can run amigaOs4 Native & its has the Rom to do so like every
other amiga.
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That would require all sides certifying each others boards.
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:-? This isn't meant as flame bait or anything, really, but I mean... how many people do you think care anymore?
Steve
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We should be allowed to buy what we prefer and install our OS of choice on.
A noble sentiment, but still companies -AInc and bPlan in this case - have to make money out of it. We don't live in a communist state.