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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: Rodney on September 23, 2002, 01:26:14 AM
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GFX-BASE brings us an excellent report from OASE (Open Amiga Southeast Europe Show) which gives lot of glimpses of Pegasos, MorphOS, AmigaOne, OS4 as well as a description of what we're looking at. A fantastic report, wish i was there, so check it out! (http://www.gfxbase.com/specials/oase2.html)
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What's the X terminal program they're running? [there's an X logo in the lower left]
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The Ambient-thing looks very nice! Much nicer than the Workbench in os3.9-4.0 (dont know what parts of os4 were shown). And, while talking design and looks, I dont like the very PC-BIOS starting-up-look-alike-booting shown! I want fancy graphics with a hand putting in a disk :-)! I know it has nothing to do with things, but still it's my opinion.
Progress? Bah! Not for me, give me more power but with that old feeling! ;-)
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I really like that report..
Seems as if MOS will ahve 3D support, through Rave3D, which IIRC is rather good.
Any way, it now depends on who will be first.
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Any way, it now depends on who will be first.
I'm more interested in which product is likely to be of better quality and have decent after-sales service. Without naming names, some players in the PPC mobo game have an extremely poor reputation.
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I know some of the players have a very bad reputation.
Any way, quality and support is the key words.
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DCE won't repair the Pegasos boards, get your facts
straight.
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Well, it had that since day 1. There are also some
stuff I cannot talk about;)
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DCE won't repair the Pegasos boards, get your facts straight.
Sorry, when did anyone say "DCE will repair any faulty pegasos boards" ?
Thats right, nobody did.
Cheers,
J :-D
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She talked about bad quality and after sales service
of some players in the PPC mobo game.
This would mean P5 in it's final days (logical, they
had no money and no parts...) and DCE.
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Does Anybody know if the AmigaOne will be able to boot Morphos?
it would be nice to be able to play with morphos too.
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The A1 won't have much trouble booting MorphOS, since the Pegasos is virtually the same board - just don't expect too much help from bPlan to get it to work...
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@KennyR
?????
Different (better) Southbridge = same board ?
Different (better) BIOS = same board ?
But yes MorphOs is said to have been running on the TeronCX
(A1), but with the old BIOS. Running a unmodified Pegasos-
version on an A1 will probraly not work (just like the other
way round).
But since someone mentioned it:
Who's gone repair faulty A1s ?
Eyetech who were once talking about selling a consumer board
with a BGA-socket (and have nothing to do with the actual
development/production of the boards) or do you need to send it
to Taiwan ?
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Different (better) BIOS = same board ?
(http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/roflmao.gif)
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@ Kronos
Different (better) Southbridge = same board ?
Different (better) BIOS = same board ?
Here we go again...
I have a few questions for you Kronos:
1. Exactly what is "better" with the southbride on the Pegasos? I might be newer but what features does it give the pegasos that the a1 is missing? Or is there a speed advantage using this "better" southbride chip?
2. What is "better" with the bios for the pegaos? AFAIK, both the bios of Pegasos and A1 has unique features (like FFS in the Pegasos bios and the x86-emulator in the A1 bios). So can you elaborate why you think the bios in the Pegaos is better?
BTW, did you know that AOS4 is better than Morphos? :-P
/W
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The man In Greece wrote:
DCE won't repair the Pegasos boards, get your facts straight.
This piece of information was not known to me before. I must say it's a great relief.
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Umm ... if DCE, the manufacturer, wont do repairs ... who will :-?
That information would be interesting for A1 too.
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@Wittgenstein
1. FireWire, better IDE (less bugs). Not sure if digital-audio
is also part of the southbridge.
2. PPCBoot is/was intended for embedeed-devices, not for desktops.
BTW: You really think that having intuition&co on one A4k (68k)
and the kernel on another (PPC) is better than a fully running
system on a brandnew mobo ? Interesting I must say :-P :-P
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1. FireWire, better IDE (less bugs). Not sure if digital-audio
I can add firewire on a PCI-card so there is no big deal. But you say Pegasos has "better" IDE since it has "less bugs". Can you please tell us what kind of IDE-bugs the A1 will have? Also, since I am a hifi-guy I will, if I want to use the computer for music stuff, add a nice soundcard and not use crappy onboard stuff.
2. PPCBoot is/was intended for embedeed-devices, not for desktops.
And this means that it cant be better? I thought you where smarter...
BTW, I will never buy a mobo that hasnt been out to the masses more than 1 month (or less since the betatesters are not public) which is only bugtested using one specific hardware setup. :-P
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>But you say Pegasos has "better" IDE since it
>has "less bugs". Can you please tell us what kind
>of IDE-bugs the A1 will have?
The VIA 686B southbridge has an bug that can corrupt HD data if used together with for example Soundblaster cards. It can be fixed using some software patches.
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The VIA 686B southbridge has an bug that can corrupt HD data if used together with for example Soundblaster cards. It can be fixed using some software patches.
Yeah, I know, but let me rephrase my question:
Can you please tell me what kind of IDE-bugs the A1 will have AFTER all patchable know bugs has been removed (by patch in the BIOS or the OS).
/W
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>Can you please tell me what kind of IDE-bugs the
>A1 will have AFTER all patchable know bugs has
>been removed (by patch in the BIOS or the OS).
"What bugs will this software have after all bugs
have been fixed?" :-)
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"What bugs will this software have after all bugs
ALL PATCHABLE BUGS. There are a LOT of work around made in software. The only bugs you, as a user need to worry about are those which are not patchable. Do you think I, as a user, care how many hardwarebugs that are patched by Bplan or Hyperion?
Please read my posts before you rush into conclusions.
/W
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>Please read my posts before you rush into
>conclusions.
Please think before you post.
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IMO Kronos just wants to spread biased FUD regarding the AmigaOne. Nothing new.
If you want your hardware to be supported by AmigaOS4, sooner rather than later, the AmigaOne will be your best option. (enventual PEGASOS support will depent on many yet uncertain factors)
Both the Pegasos and AmigaOne offer a very identical solution. The most important differences however are:
- The PEGASOS has a replacable CPU board. AmigaOneG3-SE has a soldered CPU and the AmigaOne-XE board has a CPU socket.
- With the PEGASOS you can use a mircoATX case but at the expense of one PCI slot.
- Pricing is another important factor, definite pricing is still unknown. Trade-in options will be available.