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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: Mikey_C on September 13, 2002, 06:16:50 AM
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Ladies and Gentlemen: Welcome to the clash of the year, presenting, In the Red Corner, all the way from Germany and the UK, with years of experience, a true survivor - Amiga OS4 supported by AmigaOne!
Presenting in the Blue Corner, from Germany and France, the new young pretender to the crown, MorphOS supported by Pegasos!
The main event will be held at the World of Amiga Southeast Show in Poplars Hall, Brentwood, Essex, England, (UK) on Saturday November 2nd 2002.
Don’t miss this exciting one off spectacular clash, get your tickets in advance from Fore-Matt Home Computing for only £3.50!
This Action packed event will feature Amiga veterans, Eyetech, Weird Science, Fore-Matt Home Computing, ZeoNeo, Kicksoft, Thendic France, Mediator Support Team and of course Amiga inc. themselves. Plus the infamous Gaming Arena and the Mandatory After show speeches/demonstrations.
This is a great opportunity to see AmigaOS4/AmigaOne Versus MorphOS/Pegasos under the same roof on the same day.
For more information, please visit our temporary website http://www.seal-amiga.com/woase
For tickets visit http://www.forematt.co.uk or call +44 (0)8700 11 22 34
World of Amiga Southeast 2002, aren’t you glad you are going?
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Hehehe...very funny! I'll bring my own baseball bat or better yet..my hammer! :hammer: :-D
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In the Red Corner, all the way from Germany and the UK, with years of experience, a true survivor - Amiga OS4 supported by AmigaOne!
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What does this mean??? What can we expect. Damn... The link dosnt seem to work
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What does this mean??? What can we expect.
Take it easy. :-)
It's MC speak (that's a pun that is) for "everybody will be there".
Damn... The link dosnt seem to work
Didn't work for me either. Don't worry, it'll either be fixed soon or the main site will be up.
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Just off the Rayleigh rd..
Trying to persuade the Missus (Edit-Chick) ..
I've told her that Thurrock (Lakeside) is down near there !! So she can get some retail therapy too !!
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Here is the real link :-D http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk/woase/ (http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk/woase/)
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I'd love to get down there if only I had the time and a way to get down there!
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hitch a lift on a container wagon going from Bootle to Thurrock !!
Just remember to speak English .. You dont wanna get classed as an Illegal Immigrant ...
second thought ...
Free house .. clothing benefits ... food vouchers ... mobile phones .. hmmm :-o
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Just wait for the weigh in...
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Sounds great!!
Maybe if I start swimming now I'll make it in time.
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Why MOS continues to be 'amiga-related' is beyond me. For crying out loud - MOS IS NOT AMIGA ANYTHING. It has a layer to run classic apps, gee wow - other platforms do too! They amiga ? perhaps all amiga is now is a layer to run apps on top of other crap ? I Don't think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There needs to be greater segregation between this Morphan crap and the REAL AMiGA.
:evil:
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hitch a lift on a container wagon going from Bootle to Thurrock !!
OK, what gave me away as a Bootle-ite? (Is it my dodgy accent?)
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Let's not turn this into another trolling contest. Personally I don't like MOS, or the people behind it, and I'd rather have OS4. But to say MOS isn't Amiga related is wrong, much like it is wrong to say that OS4 is vaporware done by people who know nothing about the Amiga.
So let's wait and see how the competitors do against each other. Flame x86 instead ;-)
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But to say MOS isn't Amiga related is wrong
Well if Im so misdirected please explain to my simple mind how MorphOS is 'Amiga-Related'.
It's kernel is not even a close derivative of the Amiga kernel or it's friends.
The ONLY connection is the emulation layer, which works well because of the fact MOS runs the same processor as AOS.
Next you'll be telling me that Apple Computers are 'amiga-related'. Honestly, I think the line should be drawn a lot closer to home before the stains start to appear on this turf which you claim is ours.
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MorphOS runs on classic Amiga hardware. That makes it related. Sure you can say Linux does too, and in that respect Linux is too.
But the fact is, MorphOS has the interest of part of this community in a way Linux does not, and even some Amiga developers are on board.
It'll go away eventually if AmigaOS delivers, and if AmigaOS does not, then thank goodness for MorphOS.
Personally, I want Amiga to deliver, lets hope they do....who in their right mind would assume they will after all that has happend the past 5 years though.
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"It'll go away eventually if AmigaOS delivers, and if AmigaOS does not, then thank goodness for MorphOS."
nope if AOS4 & UP does not deliver im going PowerMac.
as i see no road map from Mos that offers anything that intrests me at all. & is owned by ppl who have done nothing for me nore do i trust them.
i have never had any Phase5 products.
& if the name Offical OS with history cant make it in the amiga way of things, i cant see how
MOS could.
MOS would have to do things another way if the AOS does not work out, cos if just trys to do things the same way it would suffer the same fait.
& i like the amigaway of things & if that what brings it down then so be it
i will not put up with something else by unknows out side of the amiga commun.
& i dont trust Amiga.inc that much atm either but they are not making the Aone or Aos4 the ppl doing that work i do trust.
eyetech & hyperion & i cant see or hear of any amiga user who has been let down by hyperion in the past & from what i have seen hyperion know how to write very efficent code.
as they has gotten things to run on amiga HW that most would of thought could of never been done.
& game coding is a good way to prove your coding skills.
as there is so much going on at the same time & if its coded bad it chugs along.
sound,AI,3D gfx,control input. all happening at the same time .
i have yet to see hyperion release a bad product so cut them some slack, unlike alot of stuff from
ppl within the MOS crew.
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I totally agree with createcoms. I don't intent to fight, but their behavior sucks.
Kostas
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Hi Createcoms,
I'm pretty much in the same boat as Kenny here:
> Well if Im so misdirected please explain to my
> simple mind how MorphOS is 'Amiga-Related'.
Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong here but this is how I remember it:
A couple of years ago (can't remember exactly) Amiga Active's front cover featured MorphOS. At that time it was being touted as the next gen. Amiga OS, as there were no plans for OS4.
It was 100% Amiga related at that time. (& I was very interested in it)
Then AOS4 is announced (which I was even more interested in) & suddenly MorphOS is not Amiga related?
Come on.....
Don't get me wrong, I'm buying an A1+OS4(got my coupon) but maybe I'll buy MorphOS too. I'll have to wait & see how it shapes up.
Either way, it's definitely Amiga related & was even being considered *as* OS4 at one time.
Cheers,
Robert
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I totally agree with createcoms. I don't intent to fight, but their behavior sucks.
Eh, Createcoms never mentioned the behavior, just pointed out he doesn't think MOS has anything to do with the Amiga.. The behavior of MOS/Amiga/bPlan/Hyperion/erc people has nothing to do with the "fact" if something is or isn't Amiga related.
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It was 100% Amiga related at that time. (& I was very interested in it)
Then AOS4 is announced (which I was even more interested in) & suddenly MorphOS is not Amiga related?
Eh, no, when AmigaInc was bought for the "I don't know how many times it has been sold", to the current owners, MOS decided they were a different OS that happens to have a Amiga OS emulation build in.. (maybe not officialy, but that's is how it seems these days) and the GUI is Amiga like (there are other OSes in developmed (alive and dead, Atheos (http://sourceforge.net/projects/atheos/)looked promising, the main site www.atheos.cx (http://www.atheos.cx) is down tho) that also have (or had) an Amigalike GUI...
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Oops! Sorry Guys, the URL should indeed have been http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk/woase.
BTW. http://www.forematt.co.uk now has a link banner to buy tickets on the site (Thanks John)
Mikey C
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Either way, it's definitely Amiga related & was even being considered *as* OS4 at one time.
Right, it's related as far as Apples are, Microsoft is and basically everything in the computer world. It does however, hold no relevance to the consumer of Amiga products because it isnt the AmigaOS nor is it a product that uses AmigaOS.
And you are wrong with the consideration. MOS guys were offered a position with the OS4 team but rejected it because they were quite happy with their rebellious amigawannabe MOS system. At no stage was MOS ever considered for the future AOS.
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@The_Editor
I've told her that Thurrock (Lakeside) is down near there !! So she can get some retail therapy too !!
Go for a romantic weekend and sneak out sometimes. But if you get caught it will be hell.
Coder
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MOS guys were offered a position with the OS4 team but rejected it because they were quite happy with their rebellious amigawannabe MOS system. At no stage was MOS ever considered for the future AOS.
You should really check your sources !!
Back in early 01 when AInc had their "earthquake" MOS was
seen as the best/easiest way to get OS4 offground and a
deal was agreed. All was fine until a well-known lawyer jumped in
and chamged the contracts (has been admitted by Ben himself).
AFAIK Ben demanded that CGX would be replaced with P96 (why ??)
and that wider HW-support was promised.
Nothing really important, but when that wasn't agreed on the
contract suddenly changed to a point where AInc would gain full
control over MOS (including sources) without giving anything
substantial back.
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Fact: MOS looks and feels like an Amiga. Most people using it would not be aware of any difference between it and a classic Amiga, except speed and some small trade-ins for legacy compatibility for new features. It feels more like a real Amiga than UAE does. It is a native AmigaOS, just without the Amiga sticker slapped on the front. I don't think MOS is the route for me, but whether I like MOS or not, I refuse to lie about it.
Have you ever actually *tried* MOS? If not, your whole argument is completely meaningless, in the same way the arguments of people who have never used a real Amiga for many years are meaningless against OS4 and the AmigaONE.
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@Kronos
I think it fair to remark that the story, though an entertaining one, is merely a carefully filtered version of the "truth".
The reality is probably that neither side were really prepared to relinquish enough control or give the other side enough to make the deal work. Essentially both sides will have wanted "something for nothing".
Portraying Amiga Inc as a bunch of beggars who were manipulated by the evil Ben Hermans into breaking a deal with the reasonable and generous Ralph Schmidt is pretty laughable.
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@seer
Eh, Createcoms never mentioned the behavior, just pointed out he doesn't think MOS has anything to do with the Amiga.. The behavior of MOS/Amiga/bPlan/Hyperion/erc people has nothing to do with the "fact" if something is or isn't Amiga related.
I agree with Createcoms with the things he wrote. Furthermore, I would like to add that their behavior sucks.
Sorry I was not clear enough from the first post Seer.
Kostas
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For my part I refuse point-blank to defend either AInc or bplan. They both have had, and still do have, personal agendas which not only make it impossible for them ever to see eye to eye again, but I'm pretty sure they aren't in either my nor the Amiga's best interests.
Let 'em fight it out with hardware and software, not words.
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@Kenny
:-x :-x :-x Anotherone lost :-x :-x :-x
Seems I'm soon gone be out of people to disagree with :-P
Thats something I always demanded, even back in the glory
W3D/Amithlon-battle (a harmless joke/comment was enough to
ignite that bomb :-( )
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You should really check your sources !!
You do realise that the above is the most common, indirect way of calling someone a liar.
I think the offense caused would be obvious this far down this post. If not then too bad, body language is the only way left.
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Have you ever actually *tried* MOS? If not, your whole argument is completely meaningless, in the same way the arguments of people who have never used a real Amiga for many years are meaningless against OS4 and the AmigaONE.
I've tried MOS, for the sole purpose of being able to say I've tried it. I know you are jumping at the chance to label me a meaningless poster.
I can understand why my friends have given up their public mingling, because of people like you, who feel justified, and stick like glue about the validity of every post they make.
Unfortunately for you, because I am here unofficially - I can tell you to stick your anti-createcoms where the sun don't shine and not cause the company any grief ;-)
And no more paranoia responses - if this isnt clear then its time to wipe the mud from your eyes.
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Let 'em fight it out with hardware and software, not words.
And in the meantime, you'll do your best to suppress all those who have such material in front of them from being patriotic to the realism which is. Almost as if you want this to carry on forever, so your purpose remains - which it seems, is to stir the water until it is very mirky indeed.
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You do realise that the above is the most common, indirect way of calling someone a liar.
:-? :-? :-? Your statements was simple incorrect, and
thats no big secret, so instead of correcting you I should
have changed reality or what ?? Yes MOS was planned for OS4
by AInc, and yes your statement was simply incorrect.
Why was it incorrect ? None of my buisness !
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No it wasnt incorrect - I suggest YOU look at YOUR sources.
MOS, was NEVER considered for AOS.
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER!
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NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
Nice to see another reasonable voice in these forums.
/sarcasm
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@createcoms
Just ask Ben ...
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Why do I need to ask anyone when I was there?
Oh well, I've got OS4 and new HW - MOS is but a stain on the curtain down the road at this point in time.
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I tried to install mos on my A1200PPC last year but failed (something to do with CGX). From the screenshots taken at Alchimie2, mos looks better whereas os4 just look like os3.9 (and I bought a coupon).
LionStorm