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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: barryum on September 05, 2002, 05:01:47 PM
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Here's the just posted Executive update from Bill McEwen
OS4 update, Hints of 2 more cell phone deals, and possible laptop with amithlon as an Amiga product.
Read it here:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/090502-mcewen.shtml
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Sorry, that was supposed to be 2 PDA deals, not cell phones. I got in too much of a hurry to post.
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Welcome info! It had better be V2 of
Amiga86bernimithlon!
go go go go go!
:hammer:
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Those new screenshots of AmiDock (http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4AmiDock.php) show a much more professional consistent looking AmigaOS 4.0...yay! :-D
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WOW :-o
AmigaOS 4.0 will certainly become a nice looking Operating System :-D
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We are getting requests from many of our OEM partners with regard to content that they are looking for on their devices.
Kinda puts an end to the discussion about where AI get their money from...
Apparently, they have made a few contacts! :-D
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Just looked at the new shots. Finally they have changed that horrible colour scheme!!! :-D :-D :-D
I want it!
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I am happy to see that legal action is under way. And I like the new screenshots.
Coder
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Hmm, and now make the windows (the borders ) look more up-to-date, and it will become a nice one...
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Treke
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It does sound like they are starting to get on a roll with "DE"
but we have heard stuff before that puts it in a more positive
light than it should have.
Still, time to dig out DE again I think.
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Because of you, the Amiga dream lives, because of you, Amiga's are still being used throughout the world performing amazing tasks and activities, and because of you, we are still here and moving forward.
Amiga is a giant resting for the day of the fight, and gaining strength quietly, for, as we embark on this mission together, nothing will tear us apart.
A bit overkill. Its word like this that makes me fell... well. fundamentalistic :-)
I like the news and screenshots though
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all sounds/looks good.... not gonna count my chickens yet though....
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Amidock sure looks good. However, I'd really like it to have borderless and transparency options.
I use the current version, which is easy to setup, and now hardly ever have to go delving into the disks to open an app (I used to use the dock that came with Net Connect, but junked it as it was too flakey).
-john
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Has anyone else noticed that the following pages under http://os.amiga.com/os4/ were updated yesterday?
AmigaOS 4 Features - features and modules to be included in AmigaOS 4 - last updated: Sep 5, 2002
AmigaOS 4 GUI screenshots of the AmigaOS 4 Graphical User Interface - last updated: Sep 5, 2002
AmigaOS 4 Menus screenshots of the AmigaOS 4 Menu system - last updated: Sep 5, 2002
AmigaOS 4 HD Prep screenshots of the AmigaOS 4 HD Prep utility - last updated: Sep 5,
Must say I can`t say if anything is new as I cannot remember if there are any changes from before.
(old Age I guess) ;-)
Anyone?
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Yeah the touching eulogies can be shoved where the sundoesnt shine.
Im put off by the kind of oprah winfreysque evangelistic verbage
from Collas and now McEwan.
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Jada, jada, blah, blah, you will be rewarded, jada.
Amiga Inc - Because youre worth it
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Hiya Dave.
Yeah, whilst I can see your point and agree with it too, I must confess and say that I can see the reason why Bill McEwen does it.
Bill is a marketing man, he has to appeal to everyone, the Amiga Community, the Investors, the potential new customers, etc. (Think about it as external to the Amiga scene point of view)
I try to keep the blurb down when I make announcents for Total Amiga Magazine, World of Amiga Southeast 2002, or whatever else. However, I don`t move in the same high circles as Bill does.
Knock me down with a feather, but at least Bill has worked very hard in trying to tie up deals and keep Amiga afloat. Whether you like the blurb or not, he has kept Amiga from going under. Correct me if I am wrong but aren`t they now the longest owners of the Amiga name since Commodore and without the money Gateway/Escom had?
Yes, I hate the blurb too, but if it means he keeps the company going, as he has done so far, who cares?
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Mikey
Sure I understand it but when pitching you have
to understand your audience.
I wasnt nailing him to a cross, just criticising thataspect ofhis
marketing speak.
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WOW! :-o
I like the new amidock and the workbench backgound! :-D
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Hello Dave
I wasnt nailing him to a cross, just criticising thataspect ofhis
Sorry, if I appeared to have over reacted, I was making a general point, not having a go per se.
Speaking of Cross, it reminds me about the world cup lob against David Seaman joke. (too risque for a.org)
;-)
Mikey C
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Speaking of Cross, it reminds me about the world cup lob against David Seaman joke. (too risque for a.org)
PM me ? flaps at crosses or summat ?
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LOL I think I know the joke.
Can anyone think of any corporate personality in the
Amiga market who doesnt need lessons in PR?
Ermmmmmmmmm
I cant.
I compiled a list of my 10 worst at PR:
1. Thendic - shoots self in foot so frequently amazed still capable of walking.
2. Amiga Inc - over effusive, promises the earth and delivers a pebble
3. BoXeR project - promised a pebble and didnt deliver that
4. IWIN - you lose
5. AntiGravity - wow take some uppers dude!
6. Elbox - at least the products exceed the pr !
7. Haage & Partner - sheesh!
8. RS - party off dude
9. DCE - erm so is it or isnt it discontinued?
10. Power Computing - open mouth, insert foot, bite until teeth meet bone.
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Agafaster
I'll message you the joke privately via the Amiga.org message service.
DaveP check your messages - asap - please.
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Can anyone think of any corporate personality in the
Yes, Alan Redhouse, Shoots from the hip, always gives it to you straight.
Mikey C
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@MikeyC
Alan ????
You mean that Alan that had a nearly finished A1(Escena) for
18 months ? That promised the dev-boards for April ?
Everybody who asked about it's (obvious) origin is a troll/pirate ?
The one who "borrowed" Apples CPU-socket ?
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I think that disqualifies him. ;-)
Seriously though it is claimed that he misled Amiga users
last year over A1-1200 readiness.
But I agree when he does communicate I am always impressed
by his straight talk.
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Thats definitely a cracker - got a good reaction from m'colleagues here at work.
Alan Redhouse - Phlegmatic Yorkshireman a la captain cook - or dare I say Harry Enfield's yorkshireman "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" ;-)
Dont forget, Kronos, he is also a businessman. there were probably good reasons for those things - if a yorkshireman doesnt have to spend any money he wont - tighter than scotsmen (according the scotsman who was head of Physics in Leeds when I was there... :-D )
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It is good to have an update :-)
I am hoping the leagal action will be settle. I just worry about the cost of such things. That money could be use for other things. Oh well, they need to take care it and I hope it turn out okay.
As far as AmiDock? Well, I don't use it now, so I am not sure how much better the new one will be. I like using THE and I am wondering if that will make it to OS 4?
It is getting harder to wait now, as I hear more of OS 4 getting done.
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if a yorkshireman doesnt have to spend any money he wont - tighter than scotsmen
We prefer "canny" :-D
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Desler wrote:
blah blah dream blah amazing blah moving forwards blah we embark on this mission together, nothing will tear us apart.
A bit overkill. Its word like this that makes me fell... well. fundamentalistic
It makes me feel... queasy. :-þ It's actually quite disgusting. But, as others already have said, it's still smart and necessary marketing, the company realises that just using the "Amiga" trademark for the company name and for its own product isn't enough, the company needs to grasp every marketing opportunity, even with sleazy methods like this, to create some kind of "kinship" with those who have made and kept the trademark valuable, i.e. the old Amiga user and developer communities, else the brand will lose whatever commercial value it has left.
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It is getting harder to wait now, as I hear more of OS 4 getting done.
Yes, finally we can start looking for easter eggs in OS4 :-)
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We prefer "canny" :-D
Scottish-English Dictionary:
'Canny'(n)-Tight.
:lol:
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Good news, but also with a little problem;
If they are going to sell Amithlon /A-OS 3.9 laptops with Celerons and P4's, aren't those laptops (and perhaps desktops) going to undermine AmigaONE/OS4 sales ? (As they are going to be faster)
This could be the moment of truth (sp) for an X86 based OS4...
And no, this is not a flame towards Amiga, I think it's a good thing..
BTW, everybody read the news on ANN about the Pegasos being on sale in Oct ?
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"If they are going to sell Amithlon /A-OS 3.9 laptops with Celerons and P4's, aren't those laptops (and perhaps desktops) going to undermine AmigaONE/OS4 sales ? (As they are going to be faster)"
no as if that was the case then amithlon on pc's now would have that effect.
& a laptop is a laptop & most ppl want a full system & a laptop is second.
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no as if that was the case then amithlon on pc's now would have that effect.
There's a difference by selling complete systems with Amithlon pre installed (Amithlon V1 isn't an easy do it yourself installation) and just selling Amithlon in Amiga shops.. Besides, Amithlon isn't on sale legally now :-( . Not to mention the "few" PC's Amithlon is able to run on correctly.. (Doesn't seem to like the Parhelia I have at home, or most of the (newer!) OEM PC's we use at work..
& a laptop is a laptop & most ppl want a full system & a laptop is second.
Lots of people want an Amiga laptop, and wanted one for a very long time...
Come to think of it if there was a laptop with Windows on it and it would outperform (CPU/GFX and maybe even soundwise) any Desktop PC with Windows on it I guess a whole lot of people would buy that laptop, and ditch the bulky desktop..
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no the desktop will alway be a bigger seller there are few ppl with just laptops
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I don't think those laptops would undermine the sales of the AmigaOne. People want laptops and desktops for different purposes, and since there is no real Amiga laptop coming in the foreseeable future, selling these PC's with an emulator pre-installed makes sense as a laptop complement to the Amiga platform.
Kay
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I agree with Kay.
I see a desktop Amiga (AmigaOne or Classic Amiga) serving a different role than a laptop Amiga (or laptop pc running Amithlon). IMHO, the desktop/tower system would usually be a more permanent setup with various peripheral devices (printer, scanner, speakers, etc.) attached to it. The laptop gives you the freedom to move around and setup quickly. Generally you would not have the other stuff with you.
For example:
At work, I use both a desktop computer and a laptop.
(I work for a large telephone company, configuring, maintaining and troubleshooting several large data networks.)
My desktop computer is set up permanently at my desk in the office, along with my phone, books, manuals, etc. This machine is permanently hooked up to the company LAN and has access to all the software and systems that I use on a daily basis.
However, on some occasions I need to go to a different floor or another buiding to work directly on the network equipment. On these occasions I use the laptop, because it is easy to carry around and it contains the software I need to communicate directly with the various network devices.
The desktop gives me the freedom to use many applications, but the laptop gives me the freedom to easily move around.
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redfox
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I see a desktop Amiga (AmigaOne or Classic Amiga) serving a different role than a laptop Amiga (or laptop pc running Amithlon). IMHO, the desktop/tower system would usually be a more permanent setup with various peripheral devices (printer, scanner, speakers, etc.) attached to it. The laptop gives you the freedom to move around and setup quickly. Generally you would not have the other stuff with you.
Normally I'd agree with the both of you, but if you use a laptop with a docking station you can have a permanent setup with various peripheral devices (Even a big 21" flatscreen if you want) and use the same desktop on the way..
Why I brought this up is the idea that these laptops are going to outperform the AmigaONE/Pegasos... With all the bitching about speed isses lately, well you know..
In my mind, a desktop Computer should outperform a laptop, if there from the same timeframe.. (I'm a sick minded guy, ok ? :-P )
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@ seer
Good point. I didn't consider using the laptop with a docking station.
And I agree that a desktop computer should outperform a laptop.
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redfox
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> Why I brought this up is the idea that these laptops are going to outperform the
> AmigaONE/Pegasos... With all the bitching about speed isses lately, well you know..
Yeah, I know. But I still don't think these new laptops will undermine the sales of
the AmigaOne. PC's with Amiga emulators already exist, and already compete with the new
real Amigas. I don't think these laptops add any significant competition besides what's
already there.
I agree that it's kind of backwards that the laptops will be faster than the desktops. But
keep in mind that this only is true for 68k software. I'm guessing most new stuff will be PPC,
and thus will not run on these laptops at all. In that respect, the AmigaOne offers something
the laptops don't.
Kay
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Come to think of it if there was a laptop with Windows on it and it would outperform (CPU/GFX and maybe even soundwise) any Desktop PC with Windows on it I guess a whole lot of people would buy that laptop, and ditch the bulky desktop..
Did you factor in people’s budget for such purchase?
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If they are going to sell Amithlon /A-OS 3.9 laptops with Celerons and P4's, aren't those laptops (and perhaps desktops) going to undermine AmigaONE/OS4 sales ? (As they are going to be faster)
Not in the short term, since Berniethlon doesn’t accelerate AmigaOS’s APIs in native speed(4).
I’m assuming that native API accelerated systems maybe faster than the current JIT only solutions(3).
IF we factored in the extreme competition between x86 CPU manufactures and their constant release (2) of “faster” CPUs (relative to PPC(1)), this native API acceleration advantage maybe narrowed in the long term i.e. extremely high clocked(2) x86 CPUs running of AmigaOS via 68k-JIT emulation.
1. In the context of PPC CPUs + motherboard falls within the Desktop/Consumer price segment. It’s a futile exercise if one referrs to current IBM’s Power Series CPUs or nonexistent “Cell” CPU.
2. It is speculated that AMD may have Athlon 3000+ by the end of this year (just in time for XMAS), since they have 2100Mhz at this time (can be over clocked to ~2400Mhz with Tbred-B).
3. Refers to the current x86 CPU releases i.e. AMD Athlon 2600+(~2100Mhz), Intel Pentium 4 2800A Mhz.
4. In the context of the current part release and upgrade pace of PPC i.e. at this time the fastest G4 is ~1250Mhz (as I recall).
It would be an interesting match up between native/AOS4.0/PPC600Mhz/mobo VS Berniethlon/AOS3.9/K7Tbred2200+/mobo VS Berniethlon/AOS3.9/PIV2500Mhz/mobo in terms price and speed.