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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: Opi-Poi on September 05, 2002, 02:59:09 AM
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Next Saturday afternoon,at the French event "A-Expo/Alchemie 2", some components of the AmigaOS 4 will be demonstrated on Amiga 4000 with CyberstormPPC.
These components are:
The new Intution.
Roadshow (the TCP/IP stack).
MediaToolBox (the new HDToolBox).
Source: Amiga-News.de/Amiga Impact.
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Cool...
About time!
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I like this to be confirmed by Hyperion. To make sure.
Coder
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Gimmigimmigimmi!!!
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If intuition will be running on the PPC then it shouldn't be long...
:-?
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This just proves how much left there is to go ;/ most likely they will show them running seperatly on some PPC equiped classic Amiga running OS3.x.
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>Intuition
Ahn those intregrated VirtualPrefs and Birdies running ontop
of OS3.x (yes I know based on orginal sources but still)
>RoadShow
I think that was allready demonstrated last summer (on Amithlon).
>MediaToolBox
The single most important part of any OS !!
Where is ExecSG ? Petunia ? The A1 booting OS4 (I think that
was in that OSNews-Article) ? Radeon-drivers ?
Sorry but if that's all they can show, than it's even longer to
the release than I thought.
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Kronos,
Sorry but if that's all they can show, than it's even longer to
the release than I thought.
Longer than you thought? I hope not. Didn't you suggest Christmas 2003? hehehe :-D
I'm going to try and keep myself contained for a week and see what really happens at this show. Lets hope it all goes to plan.
Looking forward to it ;-)
-zudo
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@zudobug
My last (public) prediction was mid february (didn't say what year :-P ).
And thats for OS-A1 with all drivers and Radeon-2D.
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So this means those components are now finished and we have 96 components left to go? :lol:..just kidding! :-D
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The demonstration is limited to components with significant visual output.
Exec SG is quite finished and so is FFS2 since ages.
Idem for our USB stack for instance.
But there is exactly zero demonstration value to be derived from these components.
In fact, I remember a Swedish show where Martin Blom was showing off our Soundblaster Live! drivers months ago and nobody even noticed it.
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Yay! Keep up the good work AmigaOS 4.0 team :-D
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But there is exactly zero demonstration value to be derived from these components.
That might be true but the idea that they are there and working will make everyone go giddy up. :-)
Coder
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This Deth-bark was heard from Kronos:
Sorry but if that's all they can show, than it's even longer to the release than I thought.
Don't discount the possibility that they are only showing a few 'tasters' to keep people at bay...
ExecSG isnt something that 'looks' good (not visual entertainment ;-) ), and petunia is possibly the same.
the Radeon2D drivers arent being done by Hyperion, so it'll probly be left up to forefront to demo.
In return I'll try to be less the eternal optimist...
Was ich kann und was ich konnte
Weiss ich gar nicht mehr
Gib mir wieder etwas schones
Zieh mich aus dem meer
Ich hore dich rufen, Marian
Kannst du mich schreien horen?
Ich bin hier allien
Ich hore dich rufen, Marian
Ohne diene hilfe verliere ich mich in diessem ort
:-)
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So I wonder will these components run on top of WarpOS?
Don't tell me they're 68k builds again...
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I like this to be confirmed by Hyperion. To make sure.
The original post to Amiga Impact was by Ben Yoris, who works for Hyperion.
For those who are in a position to visit Tarn-L'Hermitage this weekend and are still hesitating: the local wine and food are very highly thought of all over the world. ;-)
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Hmm, and the new intuition is allready recompiled native to cyberstormPPC ?
re
Treke
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@Treke/Piru
Since there is no talk about ExecSG on that show, and Warp
wouldn't make sense (context switches), I would say 100% 68k.
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@Coder: The only problem will be that the people going giddy up will expect a full bug-free/tested OS4 thru their letterbox the very next day.
Just showing some important/high impact features will at least show some of the things that have been worked on.
Mutch better that an out of focus video or static screenshots don'tcha think?
-john
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@ Kronos
So it makes you wonder why they mention that the A4000 has
a CyberstormPPC...
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Great!
Look forward to seeing some possible pics and peoples comments from the show :-)
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Yeah, very nice to see that progress is being made..! 8-)
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;-) I noticed the HDToolBox is called the "MediaToolBox." This implies that it can be used on media other that just hard drives. Maybe memory cards, etc. Interesting.
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@Quixote
Don't know what that has to do with.
For removable devices you will need device and a mountfile.
Using removeable disk as HD is allready possible with the old
HDToolBox it just doesn't make any sense.
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Are you going to the demo, Rose? And if so will you give us a report?
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Kronos , you must be the single biggest f*ck wit in the community.
Go preach blue pill somewhere else.
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@anarchic_teapot
the local wine and food are very highly thought of all over the world.
Well, only for that it's worth it to come. :-)
Coder
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@jd997uk
Mutch better that an out of focus video or static screenshots don'tcha think?
Your right.
Coder
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Since there is no talk about ExecSG on that show, and Warp wouldn't make sense (context switches), I would say 100% 68k.
The new Intuition, and RoadShow, &c., would be using 68k-based Exec?
I guess I can see it, it just seems more painful than using the supposedly complete ExecSG.
Maybe it's just been too long since I programmed Amiga & I'm confusing libraries.
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Hoya!
To bad, I am REALLY skint at the moment!!! :-(
Otherwise, I would have enjoyed going to Tain, besides I wonder how
far is it from Tours???
Anyway, I hope nice things will be shown at the show, because people
will become REALLY tired of waiting for small pieces of infos...
The Amigans are loyal but every vertue has its LIMITS!!! :-\
Ok, BON APPETIT! (I'm eating). ;-)
Be funky
M A D
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@simplex
1) Both RoadShow and the new Intuition have been developed on 68k.
(RoadShow is even planned to be available this way)
2) ExecSG is supposed to be API-compatible with Exec.
3) Even "nearly finished" is still unfinished.
4) Since Petunia doesn't run on ExecSG (yet) it would be
impossible to use any 68k-code on it, and if Hyperion could
do that, well than OS4 would be finished ;-)
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Exec SG is quite finished
This is really good news. With the ExecSG in working order it should be a much easier task to integrate the different pieces of the OS.
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Kronos , you must be the single biggest f*ck wit in the community.
Hey hey... Decent manners here. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Its always nice to have both pro and cons in a discussion. And as we all know is Kronos pretty competent at handing out cons regarding aOS
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@kronos
1) Both RoadShow and the new Intuition have been developed on 68k. (RoadShow is even planned to be available this way)
Okay, that's a good point.
3) Even "nearly finished" is still unfinished.
Right, but he said ExecSG is "quite" finished. Or did you mean something else?
And what's the point of using a Cyberstorm PPC if it's 100% 68k. Doesn't make sense, unless they deliberately want to mislead. Do you agree? (I'm not saying you're saying they want to mislead, I'm saying that if it's 100% 68k and they boast of PPC then all I can figure is they're attempting to mislead & asking if you agree.)
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3) Even "nearly finished" is still unfinished.
Well someones glass is half empty!
;-)
JS
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Wake me up when its available :-o
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@jumpship
Never said anything about being half-empty(ready), but
a glass that isn't filled up to the marker can't be served.
Even if it's only a tiny bit that's missing.
@simplex
Maybe they want to demostrate Q2 (WarpOS) too ?
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Myself, I wont condemn, praise or analyse any aspect of OS4 whatsoever until it is running in a machine right in front of me. End of story.
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@kronos
Sorry, i didn't mean it that way, more in the way of the "saying":
If a glass is sitting on a table and 50% of its capacity is liquid is it half-full or half-empty?
People who say "half-full" look for the good in a situation (optimist),
People who say "half-empty" look for the bad in a situation (pessimist).
JS
(BTW Sorry about the bad spelling! :lol:)
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@jumpship
If I just filled the glass: It's half full.
If I just drank out of it : It's half empty.
If I have nothing to do with the current state of that particular class:
Who give a flying f*** it's off topic
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@kronos,
All I was saying is that you are picking holes in Hyperion's atempt to generate more interest in OS4.
And please don't swear, I don't appriciate it, and I was only trying to be light hearted, something that is clearly lost on you.
JS
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@HyperionMP
ExecSG is finished? Does that include the extra work you guys were going to put into it.. automatic stack enlargement, etc? If so, then this is great news.
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@jumpship
Maybe I should start marking my jokes ... :-x
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There are signs of MOS preacher panic on ANN too, attempting
to deride from any AOS4 progress.
Pro AOS supporters should see this as a good sign, that
the MOS preachers fear they are losing the battle to win
converts to MOS.
The fact that the debating points demonstrate no technical
acumen or content whatsoever underline it.
My advice is sit back and let them fail to win friends and
influence anyone.
No one is going to "convert" now, this is all just bitching.
Hey Seehund isnt it about time you put in an advert for
your petition and mips_proc to waffle on about VIA and
modular CPU addons ( vapourware )?
Perhaps we will make it a party and get Cheesegrate on here
as well saying "Amino Clowns" just to add that bit of extra
class to the debate.
Oh and we also could do with some clueless f**k saying
"it will take years for AOS to catch up with MOS because
AOS was started later" - especially from someone who is
unfamiliar with the technical content of either and has
never done any project management and has failed to realise
that one is built supposedly without reference to AOS sourcecode
and the other isnt.
Theres also the icing on the cake to add too, calling people
BAFs and denying that there is any such thing as a BMF
because MFs arent B because the protagonist is an MF and
by dint of logic perspective mus tbe correct.
Now, did I pre-empt the 600 post flamewar sufficiently? Great. How
about BMFs look forward to the FINAL release of the MOS/Pegasos
cartel and BAFs look forward to the FINAL releases of the AOS4/Shark/A1
cartel.
In the meantime, back on the topic:
Good news: Bits of eye candy to demonstrate.
Bad news: Integration of all components not done yet.
Bad news was not unexpected and is not news.
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DaveP.
;o)
/Björn
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Are you going to the demo, Rose?
Alas, no. I love the area, and I'd really like to see old friends, the machines on view and the OS demos, but it's the weekend following the children going back to school and there's so much to do in such a short time.
I'm sure one of the French guys will do a report, which I can translate for you all.
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Bjorn
I hope people realise it was supposed to be a humerous
irreverant look at flamewars of the past.
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I'm not into the poll buisiness so I honestly do not know .
/Björn
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Is that why your cow looks so unhappy?
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She's just a bit hungry.
/Björn
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Kronos wrote:
If I just filled the glass: It's half full.
If I just drank out of it : It's half empty.
Thats brilliant. Next time my mate accuses me of being a "my glass is half empty" person, this is what I will tell him. :-)
Sorry for going back into the realm of the off-topic, but I had to show my appreciation. My buddy gives me that glass shtick all the time...
-zudo
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DaveP wrote:
There are signs of MOS preacher panic on ANN too, attempting
to deride from any AOS4 progress.
Pro AOS supporters should see this as a good sign, that
the MOS preachers fear they are losing the battle to win
converts to MOS.
[...]
Hey Seehund isnt it about time you put in an advert for
your petition and mips_proc to waffle on about VIA and
modular CPU addons ( vapourware )?
Seriously, DaveP, you're going way too far now!
What have people's objections against the distribution restrictions of AmigaOS (we WANT to buy AmigaOS, not XYZ OS remember??), and mips_proc's apparent preference of one CPU architecture over another, got to do with "MOS preaching" or not being an "AmigaOS supporter"?
You know at least as well as most of us here that labelling someone a "MorphOS preacher" on amiga.org is almost equal to arbitrarily labelling someone a "nazi" or "paedophile" in any other forum. ;) That's unfortunately the sad state of affairs here. So I'd appreciate if you didn't place me in any of the fscking pathetic imagined "factions" that the "community" has got going here. It is clear that you have another opinion than us who wish to see a change of one particular business decision, but please keep your argumentation to that issue if you really wish to debate that again.
Opposition against a business decision does not equal opposition against the product that this business decision affects.
"MorphOS preacher" my a$$!
Yeah, I'll advertise the petition once again, just for you Dave ;)
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/ (http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/)
(Well, it's also in case anyone would believe that it has anything to do with anything but AmigaOS after reading DaveP's post. Just read what the site says.)
Now, did I pre-empt the 600 post flamewar sufficiently?
Heh.
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LOL! Glad to see you entered into the spirit of it Seehund.
Seriously I dont think you are a "preacher" but no post
is complete without the pop petition.
I dont think I am going too far with the preacher remark in
general though the tone of such posts have gone beyond
advocacy into preaching in ANN and its starting to happen
on here too.
Is it just MOS? Nahh. But on a pro MOS news item we see
anti MOS preaching. On a pro AOS news item we see
anti AOS preaching. This is a pro AOS one so I am doing
my MOS preacher bit.
Wait until we see the next pro MOS news item, as soon
as the AOS "preachers" start I have a neat parody of that
too.
Dave.
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@DaveP
I'm gone hold you on that word !
:-D
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> In fact, I remember a Swedish show where Martin Blom
> was showing off our Soundblaster Live! drivers months
> ago and nobody even noticed it.
I was there and I certainly noticed! ;-)
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SlimJim