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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: System on August 21, 2002, 01:19:40 PM
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AmiTech-Dayton Amiga User Group is pleased to announce that they will be privileged to have live demonstrations of the Pegasos computer system during this years AmigaFest at the Dayton ComputerFest®, August 24th-25th. We are quite excited that they have accepted our invitation and hope to see many of our long time Amiga friends come by to see this much-talked about platform.
Also, we would like to announce our other vendors participating in AmigaFest 2002:
Compuquik Media Center - Amiga hardware and software vendor.
E.S. Productions - Artwork by Eric Schwartz and home of Amy the Squirrel
Extreme Corporation/Computing - Home of ready configured Amithlon/AmigaOS XL systems.
FWD Computing - Vendor of Amiga software and collectibles.
G&G Publishing Ent. - Publisher of The New Amigans magazine.
Grasshopper LLC - Your source for Pagestream for the Amiga, PC, and Mac systems.
Amiga Cafe - Amiga IRC chat site.
And of course our club, AmiTech-Dayton will on hand! Along with our table will be an Amiga Museum, a collection of nearly every model of Amiga produced along with some of our members modified machines.
Plus, we will be having demos of the Pegasos, the Extreme machines, Pagestream, Personal Paint, Photogenics, and Amicamedia that will be going on constantly during the show. And as always, there is no charge for these demos. Please check with the AmiTech table for a listing of times and locations.
We will once again have a social gathering off site once the show closes on Saturday. This year will will have door prizes for those attending the gathering courtesy of our friends at Software Hut. Space for this dinner is limited, so check with the AmiTech table for full details.
Show hours are 9:00am to 6:00pm on Saturday and 10:00am to 4:00pm on Sunday. Some vendors may not be able to stay for the full day on Sunday, so come early!
With over 30,000 attendees, the Dayton ComputerFest® is one of the largest shows of its type in the United States. And AmigaFest will be there for the fourth year in a row. Come be a part of the excitement!
For further information contact Ron Schwartz at: schwartr@gemair.com
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/me is covering his mouth and stomping on the ground desperately trying to not say anything.
;-)
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You obviously failed :)
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Ive got a playstation 2 with Linux running UAE, do they
want to show that too at an Amiga show? :-?
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You obviously failed :)
I know, I probably shouldn't have left my pills at home.
BTW, why is there a three headed monkey behind you? ;-)
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Ive got a playstation 2 with Linux running UAE, do they
want to show that too at an Amiga show?
Nah, first you'd need to advertise it using Amiga trademarks on Google fooling people into thinking that it is a real Amiga. As long as people believe it is an Amiga, you can promote anything on the show. ;-)
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Eh, QNX, Atari freaks and others have participated in these shows.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer:-P
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Im just being borish - I know - but its laughable eh?
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but its laughable eh?
hehe yeah, they are targetting different markets, don't you know? ;-)
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The fish market and the computer market? Wow!
Must have some sharp edges on that mini ATX mobo..
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hehe yeah, they are targetting different markets, don't you know?
Sure they are targeting differnet markets, which doesn't mean that
they don't have the right to appear on "our" one.
Oh wait I forgot "we" don't want choice, and "we" don't want to
know what others may have to offer.
Damn bPlan !! Offering a updated/new OS for our beloved SW and it
even runs on brandnew PPC-HW, how dare they !!
Burn em burn em ...
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Damn bPlan !! Offering a updated/new OS for our beloved SW and it
even runs on brandnew PPC-HW, how dare they !!
Burn em burn em ...
Who ever said there was anything wrong with having alternatives? The real problem is that they don't market themselves as an alternative but claims to be the successor to the original. That's not the same thing, you know...
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>The real problem is that they don't market
>themselves as an alternative but claims to be the
>successor to the original.
So what? It's called marketing. How long do you
already live in the capitalist world?
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So what? It's called marketing. How long do you already live in the capitalist world?
For them to openly attempt to position themselves as the Amiga successor would be outright illegal and they claim they are NOT doing this.
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Sure they are targeting differnet markets
If you say so! So far they have only appeared at Amiga shows and Amiga websites.
which doesn't mean that they don't have the right to appear on "our" one.
I didn't say they don't! It's up to individual site owners and show coordinators to determine is they want MOS shown, so far all have allowed free time to the MOS crew.
Oh wait I forgot "we" don't want choice, and "we" don't want to know what others may have to offer.
You know that's kind of funny coming from the guy who makes sure there are negative comments to every A1/OS4 announcement.
Damn bPlan !! Offering a updated/new OS for our beloved SW and it
Make up your mind Kronos, is it updated or is it new? It's not legal if it is 'updated'.
Burn em burn em ...
You mean your attack on A1/Eyetech/Hyperion?
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@Red
One month is soooo short ? :-x
Thendic are not claiming that, and the only think the could
lead an allready biased mind are two (stone-old) statements on
MorphOS.de which could be seen that way (but only if really
really want to).
They are just offering an alternative, and if someone thinks
their marketing violates the "Gesetz gegen unlauteren Wettbewerb"
(which doesn't include the word "parasetic), then they can
sue bPlan. Endless whinning about it in public forums may please
those who are allready 100% on their side, but probraly noone else.
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You know that's kind of funny coming from the guy who makes sure there are negative comments to every A1/OS4 announcement.
When I read something that doesn't make sense or missleading "news",
I speak-out, and if technical issues discussed I add my comments.
MorphOS is "new", but as it also allows old AOS-SW to be used
it is also an "updated" OS, just like you could "update" from Win3.x
to OS/2.
I do only "attack" those when they are talking BS again (which
happens far to often), and I don't have a problem admitting
that Thendic has joined in in that concert lateley.
And I also try to "attack" only on technical stuff, and on
the track-record of those involved.
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One month is soooo short ?
Short? It seemed like a year! :-o
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I do only "attack" those when they are talking BS again (which happens far to often), and I don't have a problem admitting
that Thendic has joined in in that concert lateley.
Yeah like their press release "Buy a Pegasos because you will be able to run pirated AOS4."
It really makes me wonder their ultimate intention.
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Press-release ?
What f***ing press-release ?
Some people were discussing OS4_on_Pegasos on ann.lu and B.Buck
made a statement where he said that this will happen (obvious)
and that it is Hyperion own problem if they don't make legal
copies available.
Sure it would have been better if he had said nothing as
telling the truth isn't always a good idea, but I fail to see that
he actually encouraged someone to do it (it had been discussed before),
or that he was trying to tell potential costumers to buy
the Pegasos as "OS_4_free_plattform".
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>Yeah like their press release "Buy a Pegasos
>because you will be able to run pirated AOS4."
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"Floods in Dayton, OH result of DCE sorcery."
AP (c) 2002
:lol:
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@Kronos & zcaman
Boy are you 2 sensitive when it comes to MOS! Obviously the term 'press release' was meant in jest(see the laughing smiley). It's no press release, but when the head of your company makes a comment like this:
If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it is claimed to be – great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines. Thanks Hyperion!
The official view of the company is just as bad as if they made a press release.
telling the truth isn't always a good idea,
Telling the truth? You know hackers who are eager to do this? He does? It sounds like it would require quite a bit of effort, who left in this community will do it openly?
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>The official view of the company is just as bad as if
>they made a press release.
As I said you can't read. You must interpret very
much into these lines to come to your conclusion.
Last time I checked the AmigaOne uses a different
BIOS and uses a copy protection. This makes it
much harder. On the other hand I'm sure there will
be AmigaOne users pirate MorphOS. At least
MorphOS runs already on so called AmigaOnes.
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Hey Elektro! You have finally beaten L8X
with your avatar :-D :-D Thanks for
cracking me up :-)
Aah.. I will laugh all day.
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As I said you can't read.
Open discussion is allowed on A-Org, but personal insults are not. Try to make your point without flaming.
You must interpret very much into these lines to come to your conclusion.
Huh? "Great we will sell more Pegasos boards". What part of that am I misunderstanding?
On the other hand I'm sure there will be AmigaOne users pirate MorphOS
I seriously doubt this will be much of a problem for RS & co.
MorphOS runs already on so called AmigaOnes.
Why must everything you say be an insult?
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You could show it on show, it would be the same as
showing an AmigaONE running Linux+UAE:)
When will you guys realize that MorphOS is not UAE
has nothing to do with UAE and is 100 times more
useful than UAE?
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Picure of a Pegasos (http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/a/n/anni/pegasos2.jpg.html)
:-)
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hm, AmiGR. Is that the Alkis famous from ANN? :-?
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Yeap:)
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>Huh? "Great we will sell more Pegasos boards".
>What part of that am I misunderstanding?
You put a connection to piracy but there wasn't one.
>Why must everything you say be an insult?
It wasn't.
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So how is PowerOS going?
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>So how is PowerOS going?
Last time I checked it was dead. But there is another
POS now. But it smells like parasite marketing :-D
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:-D :-D
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When will you guys realize that MorphOS is not UAE has nothing to do with UAE
They both have to emulate/simulate a 68k processor.
and is 100 times more useful than UAE?
You did not define why it's 100 times more useful than UAE-JIT.
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At least
MorphOS runs already on so called AmigaOnes.
Any evidence of that?
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MorphOS is "new", but as it also allows old AOS-SW to be used it is also an "updated" OS, just like you could "update" from Win3.x to OS/2.
It will be defined as an “unofficial update”.
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Some people were discussing OS4_on_Pegasos on ann.lu and B.Buck
made a statement where he said that this will happen (obvious) and that it is Hyperion own problem if they don't make legal copies available.
Piracy is fact of life, even the mighty MS has to fight this. AInc/Hyperion is approaching piracy by the old methods, which will ultimately fail.
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come On ! i'm sure bplan would have ordered a mai sample board when they were developing the pegasos. Maybe the Mai board/Amiga One ws the first thing Mos ran on! ;)
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come On ! i'm sure bplan would have ordered a mai sample board when they were developing the pegasos. Maybe the Mai board/Amiga One ws the first thing Mos ran on! ;)
Are you speculating that MOS would run unmodified?
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@cheesegrate
cheesgrate? Uh oh. :-o
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So is Mr. Buck, and in a sence ( I feel) by his statements promoting/encouraging piracy of AmigaOS 4.0.
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he wasin't encouraging piracy in fact the works legally optained copy where used. IF someone buys os4 for his blizzard ppc and then hacks it to run on pegasos is that piracy?
don't crucify the guy for something he didin't say.
And by the way the Ben Hermans et all search add on google has been removed :-D :-D
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Oh and before samface & co jumps in because that's breaking EULA and it's so evil and bad. Well I say this to you : Practise what you preach and state that you will never run Mac on Linux on your Amiga One because that is breaking a company's licensing and is imoral and you will never do it! :-D :-D :-P :-P
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F someone buys os4 for his blizzard ppc and then hacks it to run on pegasos is that piracy?
Yes, it is if you use it both on the Blizzard PPC and the Pegasos at the same time. Just to be safe, two copies should be purchased. It's the same as it I make ADF copies of my AmigaOS 3.1 disks to install under UAE while still using it at the same time on my A1200.
by the way the Ben Hermans et all search add on google has been removed
I know. I wrote Google about it after reading the comments on ANN. Ain't I a stinker. (chews on carrot)
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by the way the Ben Hermans et all search add on google has been removed
I know. I wrote Google about it after reading the comments on ANN. Ain't I a stinker. (chews on carrot)
The ads on personal name searches (Ben Hermans, Dave Haynie) have been removed, but searching for "Amiga One" still produces a Thendic ad. This is appropriate, if Thendic wants to do it, as I posted over at ann.lu. Just my opinion, of course, but logical since a searcher looking for info on the Amiga One, a PPC desktop computer, would naturally also be a potential customer for a Pegasos (PPC desktop computer). Thendic's link doesn't imply any corporate or other official connection to the Amiga One itself.
-- gary_c
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So is Mr. Buck, and in a sence ( I feel) by his statements promoting/encouraging piracy of AmigaOS 4.0.
LOL!
He is stating simple facts. Maybe a bit unprofessionally, but still. I think the days are over
when heads of companies are wearing tie and a
gray ugly suit, gray hair and glasses, making statements pre-written by paid marketing-professionals, looked over by high-payed lawyers
and postprocessed with dolby-surrond effects.
Atleast in the Amiga-arena :)
Atleast theese guys care, and can make fools of themselves for it. Or would you rather have a conversation with Medhi Ali or Irwing Gould.:)
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G3/G4 Scalable and Upgradeable Runs linux and amiga® applications
That is what the bottom of the ad says when you search for "Amiga One" or "AmigaoOne". I just find the last part misleading as it won't run AmigaOS 4.0 applications, as far as I know.
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@argo
You are right, it wont.
It doesnt run AmigaDE apps either.
still misleading ?
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I just did a search at google for "financial services minister yanagisawa" (http://www.google.com/search?q=financial+services+minister+yanagisawa&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) and alongside the results was an ad placed by saxophones.co.uk. Apparently the saxophone retailer is using what we now know is unethical parasitic advertising to take advantage of the good name of Mr. Yanagisawa, even perhaps suggesting that Japan's Financial Services Minister plays or even endorses the saxophones on offer. This is incredible and demonstrates how low sax dealers will stoop to snare an unsuspecting customer. I just may have to contact google to alert them to this fraudulent behavior. :-x :-D
-- gary_c
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In the context of a search on the terms "AmigaOne" and "Amiga One", yes.
It's at least ambigous. It should say old or older Amiga applications.
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Yes, you should. There is obviously an error somewhere.
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Yes, you should. There is obviously an error somewhere.
The mystery is solved: Yanagisawa (not connected to the Finance Minister) is a saxophone maker. :-)
-- gary_c
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he wasin't encouraging piracy in fact the works legally optained copy where used. IF someone buys os4 for his blizzard ppc and then hacks it to run on pegasos is that piracy?
Refer to “end user license” for conditions and terms.
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Saying in effect that "if pirates buy my hardware then
great!" is a big no-no. He will not later be able to claim
the hardware on sale is not intended to be used for
piracy and the usual disclaimers will not apply.
If this was the CD market and he brought out a mini-disc
player he would be nailed to the wall by the CD industry
for this and distributers would refuse to stock his equipment
in mainstream stores.
The current attitude of the industry is to actively discourage - not to accept
the realities of the situation. Anyone who "accepts" piracy
is ostracized.
The context was a public threat to Amiga Inc over its licensing
strategy.
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Oh no :-o alkis & cheesegrate have finally arrived to correct everything by Thendic what one could "misunderstand". Lets see if you can keep it civil here cheese . :-D
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It runs: Amiga 68k, WOS, PUP&MOS native software.
Software that needs , Rave3d, Warp3D etc.
Or is that not enough?
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Well, I arrived as when I saw that Samface posts
the same-if not worse-stuff that he posts on ANN...
I'm not here to correct any mistakes Thendic did.
I can sure keep it civil, until Samface overdoes it:)
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Dunno about PPCBoot but it did run with the old BIOS
in the same way it did on the TerronCX prototypes.
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You wrote:
Well, I arrived as when I saw that Samface posts the same-if not worse-stuff that he posts on ANN...
Samface wrote:
/me is covering his mouth and stomping on the ground desperately trying to not say anything.
Samface is keeping it clean as far as I can tell:-)
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I didn't mean that specific thread! I mean posting his
stuff on Amiga.org. :) Anyway, he's clean right now
and so am I:)
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Hi peeps
Ain't been psoting much recently and havn't been keeping up on things. but alas it seems nothing has changed. Everyone is still bitching, whinning and slagging everrybody else off.
Well I'm off to play Glquakewrold again, at least everybody is opena bout wanting to blow each other to bits. Thw way everybody seems to want to do to what is left of the amiga community.
tara