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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => General Internet News => Topic started by: SilvrDrgn on July 24, 2002, 08:58:19 PM
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update WASHINGTON--Congress is about to consider an entertainment industry proposal that would authorize copyright holders, such as the MPAA or the RIAA, to disable PCs used for illicit file trading.
Source: CNET News.com Full Story (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-945923.html?tag=fd_lede)
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Big Brother is watching you. If they would those companies can expect some hackers to pay them a visit.
Coder
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PC's, the RIAA, M$, Windows and Congress all suck!
And that's just the beginning of a long list.
Part of me is beginning to hope that asteroid does wipe us all out.
-zudo
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What a load of crap they can SMMFD!!! :-x
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I just hope they stay in the US. If they start hacking computers outside the US, then a lot of people would get very, very upset.
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:-? I'm sure I saw something in the Declaration of Human Rights about no condemnation without a fair trial, or something along those lines...
Of course, the USA is the country where the Scientologists can confiscate your computer if they don't like what you write about them, isn't it?
(note to self: don't get started on this)
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Of course, the USA is the country where the Scientologists can confiscate your computer if they don't like what you write about them, isn't it?
Huh? What the heck are you talking about?
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I see it all the more reason to stay AmigaOS. They'll build something that'll attach itself to a DLL file or something-try to find a DLL within AmigaOS sucker!
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Now this is where KaZaA's integrated trojan comes in handy, I guess... :-/
Also, I think I have to agree anarchic_teapot here, that is pretty contradictory. Don't now about that confiscating stuff, though...
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Whats the point someone will hack the bios or machine to get round it or they might just stick with an older machine which doesnt have to be to fast for fileshareing and internet use ill be glad when the amigaone comes out .
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Don't count on it... The MPAA and RIAA are certainly not going to stop at the US and may very well use the 'US' to attack 'piracy' on a global scale.
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The scary thing is, the RIAA suggest daft things to Congress like "hey, let's kill internet radio!" and Congress go along with it.
So this is gonna happen. Sorry guys.
I miss soma fm. Boo hoo hoo :cry:
-zudo :-(
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I can't see this taking hold in Europe. Intentionally disabling a PC amounts to criminal damage, and if you allow commerce to do it how can you turn around and say its wrong for hackers to?
To be honest I can't see it succeeding in the USA either. Oh, whoops, you voted for Bush. Oh well, you deserve all you get ;-)
Vote Democrat next time (hehe).
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I can't see this taking hold in Europe. Intentionally disabling a PC amounts to criminal damage, and if you allow commerce to do it how can you turn around and say its wrong for hackers to?
This whole thing is wrong
To be honest I can't see it succeeding in the USA either. Oh, whoops, you voted for Bush. Oh well, you deserve all you get
Puhlease!! :-x
Vote Democrat next time (hehe).
Oh hell no! I may have a Clinton avatar :-x but the democrats are far worse when it comes to personal freedoms and privacy. See the 80's witch hunt where former Vice President TIPPER Gore tried to censor rock/metal music.
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@redrumloa
What's wrong about it? You can't break a law to keep a law, ie. if I took down a annoying hacker's system to prevent him doing the same to me I could be prosecuted. And it makes no difference whether the parties are involved are companies or individuals. Hacking a computer is damage of private property and should be treated as such. I'm speaking about European law, of couse - I don't know about equivalent legislation in the US. Your property laws seems to be inconsistent.
And the Bush thing was a joke, of course (ok, a bad one ;-) ). And banning rock music I would agree with as a matter of taste (and that's another joke ;-) ).
Oh, and I believe that Republican personal freedoms are great unless you happen to be gay, coloured, or Moslem. And that's not a joke.
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What's wrong about it? You can't break a law to keep a law,
You completely missed my point. I agree with you on THIS issue.
Oh, and I believe that Republican personal freedoms are great unless you happen to be gay, coloured, or Moslem. And that's not a joke.
:evil: This is what pisses me off :evil: You have been brainwashed by American media which is heavily liberal biased :-x Your entire view of the USA is based on pop-tv culture and biased news comming out of the USA.
Read this: (http://www.angelfire.com/zine/artfag/gore.html)
And this: (http://www.geocities.com/fireace_00/pmrc.html)
This is the modern democrat Tipper(Al) Gore you Euro-freaks love. but nothing has changed. Abe Lincoln was a Republican who happened to free the slaves, guess what the southern Democrats stood for? :-x
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Besides I just reread this article. It is supported by 3 democrats and 2 republicans. It just goes to show ignorance on digital technology goes across the board on this subject :-x
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@redrumloa
Hmm, nice sites. It seems Democrats suck too, you've made me realise that. But it seems the US 2-party system doesn't have any room for the left-wing and real freedoms. I mean, copyrighting jpegs and hacking computers in the name of law? Something's wrong there. And the worse part is, it effects the rest of the world, when we don't have any part in your politics at all.
Ever looked at http://www.whitehouse.org ? Nice site. It highlights the best in your country by lampooning the worst.
Oh by the way, the political roles of the Republicans and Democrats have almost completely swapped since Lincoln's time and his Proclaimation of Emancipation. Or at least the history books say so. Euro pop-tv proganda? You decide.
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It seems Democrats suck too, you've made me realise that. But it seems the US 2-party system doesn't have any room for the left-wing and real freedoms.
Well there are dumb asses on both sides, but IMO the Democrats are the far worse evil. I vote for the best person for the job, that happens to be a Republican 99 out of 100 times.
Something's wrong there. And the worse part is, it effects the rest of the world, when we don't have any part in your politics at all.
The USA is not the center of the world. I will admit that when people arent mindlessly basing us. Vote for your strongest candidate.
Oh by the way, the political roles of the Republicans and Democrats have almost completely swapped since Lincoln's time and his Proclaimation of Emancipation.
I completely disagree. This is a complete falsehood put forward by the liberal press.
Euro pop-tv proganda? You decide.
Truth be known, most of the Euro-USA-bashers here have admitted they mostly dispise the US television programming they are force fed. Ironically that same US TV programming is the source of their US based news.
BTW just to keep things straight, in the republian primary I voted for Alan Keyes (http://www.keyes2000.org/). But when he lost to Bush I voted for Bush in the presidential election. Al Gore as president would have been the absolute worst thing possible for this country :-x
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Of course, the USA is the country where the Scientologists can confiscate your computer if they don't like what you write about them, isn't it?
Sounds like someone needs an "audit". rofl... scientologists are funny... but looks aren't everything.
:pint:
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I can't remember where I saw it - it was either a news link from here to somewhere like CNN SciTech or something similar - but I read a recent article that proposed the exact opposite to this news story.
The bill proposed would remove any of the restrictions that stopped businesses like Napster from operating (in a legal way).
The heart of the bill would increase the number of legal backups a person can make from 2 to something like 250. This way an Internet Radio site or Music Sharing site could keep copies of a song in all major formats for PC playing software.
My problem with this article is just because something is put before congress, hardly means that it will become law. There are just as many supporters in Congress of Net based music sites as there are opponents. So the reality is that neither bill will pass, or if it does will pass in an extremely watered down version, that has no real power to do anything.
The other thing is that most politicians are completely against any kind of internet censorship. Some because they feel it would be a violation of freedom of speech, others because they would see unintended restrictions in free trade, and many because such laws are almost impossible to police without an extremely prohibitive cost attached.
Look at the recent laws passed in the UK that force any large internet provider to have the ability to monitor and record email and chat traffic. Just about none of these companies are in compliance because no one has said how the technology and software required will be paid for. The fines imposed for non-compliance wouldn't come close to the costs involved in setting this up, and most are refusing to even start unless the government pays for it up front. Even if they start projects to implement these laws it could be years before any of them are finished.
This is the main reason why governments don't like technology legislation. They have no idea what the cost is going to end up being or what how implications of those laws will end up affecting the businesses that support each party or party member.
So until I see it, I won't believe any restrictive legislation will happen. It certainly won't happen any time soon - heck it's taken them over a year to get the crucial anti-terroism legislation moving - how many years do you think it will take for something like that mentioned in this thread?
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It would be hypocritical for anyone to support this bill since it exclusively protects a certain groups from committing a crime. The bill is not neutral.
It’s clear that some senators/congressperson is in the pay books of some trade federation.
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It’s clear that some senators/congressperson is in pay books of some trade federation.
I think you're onto something - do you think they're all allies of the Dark Side.. :-)
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@Red
As for voting Republican or Democrat, always keep in mind the secret bad guy in the new Star Wars movies, the one behind all the Dark Side stuff, and looks remarkedly similar to the Emperor in the old movies - well he is a Senator of the Old Republic. Doesn't that make him a Republican Senator?
I think we should check the party membership files for suspicious names like Sen D. Vador Rep.
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I think you're onto something - do you think they're all allies of the Dark Side..
Did I say "Dark Side" in the post?
;-)
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Hi
I disagree with this bill because:
1. Wasted time, energy. The worm/virus/trojan use the CPU power, time for scanning the hard disk for files.
2. What happen if someone shot a digital movie about their holiday in Aspen and store it on the file called "SnowWhite.mpg" or "SnowWhite.avi" on their hard disk?
If the Worm / virus / Trojan delete this file, it will be a disaster.
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@ KennyR
The funny thing is that Hollywood is full of Liberals. Left wing liberals I might add. They are usually the ones afraid of competition and use censorship to achieve their goals with a little extortion, arm-bending, Etc. Typical socialist stuff.
Oh yea! Algore would have been a great plus. BwhaaaaaHaaaaaa...Haaaaa!
Spiffy :-P
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Anyone who names his movie snowwhite deserves to have it erased... :-P :-D ;-)
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Oh yea! Algore would have been a great plus. BwhaaaaaHaaaaaa...Haaaaa!
A voice of reason in the madness:-D
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Spiffy quoth blithely:
Typical socialist stuff.
I always wonder where the Americans get their ideas about Socialists from. Probably the same pop-tv media that they say we in Europe get our vision of the USA from.
Anyway, left- and right- wing comparisons/accusations/whatever are IMO out of place here. What we've got is a powerful, ultra-conservative (with a small 'c') lobby that reacts to change by pretending it doesn't exist, then when that doesn't work, trying to push through legislation ordering it not to exist.
Along with M$'s Palladium project, this is beginning to sound like the death knell of Wintel machines. Which is good news for us: how many people out there know how to hack an Amiga (or even MorphOS!) compared to those who attack M$ and Linux-based machines?
:-D
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I always wonder where the Americans get their ideas about Socialists from. Probably the same pop-tv media that they say we in Europe get our vision of the USA from.
Ka-ching! One point for anarchic_teapot! :-D
What we've got is a powerful, ultra-conservative (with a small 'c') lobby
Hmm... Egoistic might be a better word.
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The MPAA and RIAA are certainly not going to stop at the US and may very well use the 'US' to attack 'piracy' on a global scale.
If the US goverment allows this, then they'll hurt their efforts to prosecute hackers based in other countries tremendously. I don't think most countries will be very inclined to help prosecute hackers for crimes against the US if they allow hacking of computers in those countries to go unpunished.
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Another example of rabid protectionists getting things slightly out of perspective:
Partying Barbie (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020724/80/d5x21.html)
Well, I think it's hilarious. Do judges in the USA often advise litigants to 'chill out'?
Proof that some people can keep a sense of proportion, even in Merkia ;-)
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Anybody who thinks that US media is "liberally biased" is a bit naive. Who killed the FCC's Fairness Doctraine? Reagan, :-x a Republican. I tend to be ultra-right wing on some things, eclipsing Republicans on some of their own issues. But you have to see Republicans for the CORPORATE WHORES :-( that they are. Democrats are barely any better. That's why campaign finance reform is needed. But I digress...
Who (along with tacit approval of owning-class white-good-ole-boy Clinton-the-faux-Democrat) orchestrated the quiet coup which gave away BILLIONS in US public spectra to corporations?
Republicans. :-x
The fact that anybody sees Clinton as a "Democrat", let alone a "liberal" is some testiment to just how easily the uni-dimensional US media programs most people. If you compare policies in general, Republicans and Democrats are increasingly looking like each other.
Not all Republicans are bad, nor are all Democrats. Each are compromised differently. I don't want anybody thinking I'm saying ALL party X is this way. I'm saying MOST. :-) But I digress again.
:-D Did you know that just 9 companies own 98% of the US media market?
NINE. You can't have a healthy republic with that kind of limited POV.
And do you even want to talk about SkyNet/FOX/Fox_News and that uber-fascist Rupert Murdoch? He makes Bill Gates look like a moderate!
:-P The core problem is that Republicans generally want RIGHTS for corporations-- rights that exceed that of humans. And since corporations own the media, all we get is their self-serving propaganda.
How many of you people even know that our :-D Henry Kissinger is wanted for War Crimes?
Your "liberal" media never seems to report the very "liberal" issues, does it? Instead it gives you this false dichotomy to distract you from the real games. You haven't even got a clue who really runs the world, or how. The most powerful people on this planet are families YOU"VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF.
That's why we have people like rumloader. He doesn't realize he's been programmed already. If you want independent reporting try
:-) [Independent Media Near Your HomeTown (http://www.indymedia.org)
There's also at least one media-watchdog group worth bookmarking:
:-) [ Fairness And Accuracy In Reporting (http://fair.org)
You can hunt for the media-corporate critiquing radio show :-) CounterSpin (http://www.fair.org/counterspin)
Or the Magazine EXTRA! (http://www.fair.org/extra/)
I also suggest NewsWatch on Fox News, although it is a bit like mind melding with Roger Ailes. It's better than the crap on Sunday morning news TV.
And once you understand how media and content companies are overlapping with major consumer electronic companies (MS and SONY are the scariest IMHO), you'll understand why such insane legislation like the DMCA and others whiz right through the halls of Congress and get signed by the President.
Still don't get it? Look at the Warner Bros and TIME duopoly. Then CNN took them over (laughably, some Faux News types claim CNN is "liberal") and then AOL took them over. And POOF, suddenly CNN is running puff pieces for PEOPLE MAGAZINE instead of hard reporting. Their coverage of techno-politics has gone to hell, just as Steve Case would have wanted it. These people don't get to the top by being concerned about anything but their own agenda, which filters through their own media outlet now. If you don't see that, you're not only a cog, you're a blind and deaf cog at that. And have you noticed all the AOL commercials on CNN/Headline News? They're one big incestuous corporate family.
Which explains the drivel they put out.
Keep in mind I could say that Disney/ABC, GE/NBC, Capitol/CBS and Fox are far worse. Especially FOX News.
The day is coming when they're going to try to dictate which platforms are allowable, in the name of protecting the "digital rights" of "rights-holders".
And judging from the DMCA and others, it's sooner than we think.
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Rumloader,
As usual you're half wrong. Tipper Gore was the unlikely Democratic front for an unseemly union with far-right social groups to force PARENTAL ADVISTORY stickers on music.
The reason why she was handed that leash, was to make the position seem less far-right, and thus more palleteable. She was the perfect brainless mouthpiece. Used, and she never even knew it. Not that she or Al are exactly bleeding heart liberals. Look at the guy's record.
And you'll note that the music industry is quite happy with the arrangement. Even though it was largely the creation of far-right interests. Why? Because fundamentally, greed and self interest often make allies when when elements of the right wing might disagree socially. The entertainment companies didn't want any sticky mandatory legislation would mean paying for any more stickers than they can squeek by with.
And there were plenty of left wingers who wanted these stickers too. Mostly out of concern over lyrics extolling the virtues of rape, guns, murder, drugs, etc.
After all, "artist's rights" come second to 1st amendment rights which comes 3rd to the corporate "rights holder's" interest in not getting into an expensive legal battle over free speech issues. The corporations don't care about YOUR free speech. They're only in to any of this for the money.
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Kenny, as usual, you Euros show that you know more about US history and policy than many Americans know.
True, the GOP and Dems did swap positions on race issues. You'll note that during the 20th century, it was mostly Republicans and Southern Blue Dog Democrats (indistinguishable from Republicans usually) who fought against civil rights, the voting act, etc..
The Republicans love GUN rights and LAND rights and PROPERTY rights though. Which is consistant with how they support corporations as immortal artificial legal persons with full rights. Meanwhile the actual people get shafted.
And yet they always talk about personal liberty. What a con.
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Rumloader,
Your arguement is so weak you must look for insults?
As usual you're half wrong.
No as usual I am right and you are clueless! :-o
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I have to laugh when I hear things like "liberal media".. because the media here is anything but.
It absolutely amazes me that you are allowed to broadcast radio shows that are blatently biased towards one political party. Absolutely no opposing point of view - just program after program of far right paranoia, which just before the last election, were doing nothing more than constant support shows for Dubbya.
And what are those morons Mike Reagan and Rush Limbar banging on about.
All they seem to do is take any quote made by a non-republican politician and twist it until it sounds like there's this communist agenda being forced on the American people by everyone except a few diehard rightwingers.
The reason I have to listen to this #### is that when I drive home through mountain passes the only thing there is to listen to on the radio is AM stations.
So when I hear people like these bang on about how the media is biased against the right - I have to ask what media are they talking about? Because all the news radio channels are firmly and unappologetically right wing, and it certainly isn't any of the TV news channels. So where are these left wing media shows that I supposed to be bombarded with? I haven't seen one - except for some t*sser called Bill Maher doing a show called Politically Incorrect, but that was so late at night it probably had as close to a zero audience as you could get - and fortunately has been cancelled because something he said got blown out of all proportion. First time I've ever been pleased to see an over reaction to a stupid comment.