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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: asian1 on September 26, 2003, 06:20:19 PM
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Hello
On latest Q&A (Sept. 28, 2003), Fleecy Moss said:
"I am not aware of anyone who had pre-ordered OS 4.0"
What about the people who buy PartyPack or Coupon?
IIRC they had pre-ordered AmigaOne + OS 4.0.
The OS 4.0 come free/bundled with AmigaOne.
Does this mean the person who buy T-Shirt or
PartyPack had pre-ordered Amiga OS 4?
Thank's
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:-? :-? :-?
Is that statement real?
What's the source for this? If it is amigaworld.net, please repost the whole part (of that part) here (I don't read that site).
(Edit)
BTW, today is September 26, Sep 28 is yet to come ...
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hmm. that 50 i sent was just a coupon for the lottery???no shirt ? ...no OS4??? unbelieveable . :-o :-?
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There is more about that though .. read it entirely ..
"Full details on this, and how to redeem the 'voucher' that came with Club Amiga and Party Pack promotions will be made public as we get nearer to the AmigaOS4.0 public launch."
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@ Kees
OK, that explains. It was ripped out of context?
Well, it's nice to see that they (Fleecy & Bill McEwen?) will try to keep their promises! :-)
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yes, if you read it in context, you will see that Fleecy doesn't classify the pre-orders of OS 4 as such, and separates them.
What he considers a pre-order of OS 4 is just purchasing OS 4, stand-alone, and waiting for the unfinished product to arrive.
To amiga dealer's credit, I don't know of anyone doing that specific thing.
To the rest of us, the party pack, the coupon deal, the purchase of an AmigaONE board with OS 4 included....all represent pre-orders of OS 4, because these are people who are owed a copy of OS 4, for which they have already paid for....yes, as part of a promotion.
ahhh, either way, its not news, or new....just a different way of wording the same issue.
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>Link:
See the 9th answer (#9).
http://amigaworld.co.uk/modules/fleecymoss/index.php?cat_id=21
Link (http://amigaworld.co.uk/modules/fleecymoss/index.php?cat_id=21)
Sept 26 - 28: Q&A is released today, but the date
is Sept. 28, 2003.
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Well, it's nice to see that they (Fleecy & Bill McEwen?) will try to keep their promises
Well .. nice ... yes .. but they don't have any choise.
They will _have_ to keep their promises because people payed for it ... myself included.
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They will _have_ to keep their promises because people payed for it ... myself included.
I have a $100 coupon and Amiga has $100 on a bank account :-o
I'm affraid we may never get our money back :-(
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Kees wrote:
Well .. nice ... yes .. but they don't have any choise.
They will _have_ to keep their promises because people payed for it ... myself included.
Me too. They have $150 of my money ($100 Party Pack + $50 coupon thing).
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When you think about it, our money has been used to produce a gamepack for Microsoft :-x
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I just took a peak at the things Hyperion and Eyetech have said over the past months. And none of them is going back on the promises made on AmigaOne and OS4. I do not like the situation on the t-shirts though. Its way over due.
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And none of them is going back on the promises made on AmigaOne and OS4.
I can't blame them .. i wouldn't do it aswell if I was them.
Hyperion and Eyetech are both doing great :-)
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cdfr wrote:
When you think about it, our money has been used to produce a gamepack for Microsoft :-x
Yeah a game pack no one bought either, well at least 1 person bought one.
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Well .. what Amiga Inc does with their money is their concern ... not ours ... (at least not mine) ..
But i do expect to get what I paid for.
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well Hyperion and Eyetech are not responsible for doing anything, and therefore, what they are doing is fine.
However, if either of them were responsible for carrying forward the Amiga platform, then they are doing lousy, because the Amiga platform is almost entirely stagnant.
All we have is a very highly priced PPC motherboard in the AmigaONE, and an OS that is forever in development.
Don't know how thats great, or good news.
But on the other hand, given that they are doing more for the platform, than say....well Amiga, Inc. even does....then, sure they are doing great.
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Erm .. are you from mars ??
Eyetech released the A1 ages ago .. and Hyperion is working on the release of OS4 ...
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What part of the statement that the A1 is high priced and that OS 4 is still in development is confusing you?
*oh I get it*..you think they are responsible for moving forward the amiga platform....in that case, define how they are doing 'great'?
To answer your question, I am not from Mars, there are no living humans on Mars.
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*oh I get it*..you think they are responsible for moving forward the amiga platform....in that case, define how they are doing 'great'?
Try reading this again:
Eyetech released the A1 ages ago .. and Hyperion is working on the release of OS4 ...
I think that they are doing great ... remember the time when we had no new hardware or software ? ... Both companies are doing great work .. so is Genesi for that matter.
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I have to back up Kees here, you can't fault the developers for taking their time to develope their product. As a developer myself I can appreciate the grand task ahead of them and have no problems waiting several years for a new OS. My only concern is that they finish, and from what I can tell Hyperion is determined to deliver a quality product. of course the sooner the better, but I have a feeling it will be worth the wait.
- Mike
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I do not like the situation on the t-shirts though. Its way over due.
Well, look at it this way: With no T-shirt, you won't be advertising to the world that Amiga ripped you off.
What part of the statement that the A1 is high priced and that OS 4 is still in development is confusing you?
They are doing work. The quality of that work is unknown.
(Edit: Er, the quality of OS4, I mean).
*oh I get it*..you think they are responsible for moving forward the amiga platform....in that case, define how they are doing 'great'?
Great, given that Amiga Inc is apparently not too involved in the development, and they had to pony up their own money to get the projects started. Again, quality is unknown. I agree they are doing a good job of getting their products to the market (which is more that what I say about Amiga), but I can't say I like their products very much. I refuse to buy a PowerPC, and that means I can't have OS4, either. Damn.
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I think when you ask questions like 'Are you from Mars' you are minimalizing the chance for a good discussion and instead taking the discussion down towards the level of a personal affront and possible hurt feelings, and while I am fairly thick skinned, as you are, I'm sure...it has the possibility of hurting someones feelings, and gosh knows how the conversations go after peoples feelings are hurt.
I gathered you think they are doing great.
I wouldn't shoulder the responsibility of moving the platform forward on Eyetech. They are merely a licensee....that is why I say, they aren't responsible for such a task...because, in fact...they are not.
the Licensee program, on the whole, has been a complete and utter failure. It has produced only one, or two if you count both revisions of the A1, one vastly overpriced, slow, and not modernly spec'd PPC motherboard. i.e 2xAGP in a world of 8xAGP, PC133 memory, in the DDR and Rambus age, etc. etc.
On the otherhand, its not Eyetech's responsibility to administer the licensee program...they are just one of the licensee's, and as such they are doing their modest bit to add a hardware choice to the platform.
Amiga, Inc., as the one promoting and signing licensee's, is the company that has failed to advance this platform, utilizing this strategy.
Hyperion, on the other hand, that is a contractor for Amiga, inc. that so far has produced nothing.
It's not hard for me to remember a time when there were no OS updates for years, because we are in one of those times right now.
Nevertheless, Hyperion, will probably eventually, finish OS 4.
Whether this should be considered 'great' or not, in my opinion, is whether Hyperion has done a better job, than another company would have done....
they only did the job, they didn't do a 'great' job...just my opinion of course...but they were very late, issuing many false directions and false predictions.
What defines 'great' and what is 'average' and what is 'poor' are all relative terms, and subjective.
However, I think its actually the case, that for the sake of the community, we want to say Amiga, Inc. is bad, and Hyperion is good. But the reality is, Amiga, Inc. is very bad, and Hyperion is merely not quite that bad.
my 2 cents.
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Hyperion, on the other hand, that is a contractor for Amiga, inc. that so far has produced nothing.
You mean, they have RELEASED nothing related to an OS. They have a good reputation for releasing other Amiga products, and have demonstrated OS4 already. They HAVE produced something, if you don't mind.
PS - "Are you from Mars" is not what I'd consider to be a personal attack.
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My problem with the entire situation isn't Amiga Inc's business stupidity. Even geniuses have businesses fail due to outside influences.
It isn't the fact that they've defrauded the community out of literally tens of thousands of dollars. Hey, we were stupid enough to give them money on a vague promise when we were blatantly told "hey, this is literally rent money" (Bill McEwen at AmiWest)
The only thing I have against Amiga Inc is the continual stupid outright lies being told by Barry and his ilk. There's even outright evidence of Barry's disregard for the community on the other site where Barry claims they were "scheduled" to move servers -- then went into the schpeel about how it was being done on his brother-in-law's wedding day -- when obviously it was nothing more than a lie as even Ray Akey pointed out. why does "Fleecy" feel the need to lie about EVERY SINGLE THING???
There are even people out there telling us that "I talked to Fleecy and he said not to worry about the lawyers quitting". I can think of two other cases off the top of my head where lawyers quit months into the case.
1) California State versus Charles Manson
2) Florida State versus Eileen Wournos
Those two cases didn't fare so well for the defendent, so if the people saying it really DID talk to Barry, I wonder why "Fleecy" thinks it's some sort of OK thing for Amiga's lawyers to quit two weeks before trial date?
How much more of this are people going to take before enough is enough? Not that it isn't too late, but we're starting to look like idiots to the rest of the world for believing anything Amiga Inc says.
"Amiga Inc is insolvent as a company" -- Bill McEwen in his deposition to the lawyers concerning the case of Thendic/Genesi versus Amiga Inc.
My opinion is that right now, Amiga Inc holding on like a radiated ####roach is simply Bill McEwen's way of saying "screw you" to the Amiga community.
// FarQ
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think when you ask questions like 'Are you from Mars' you are minimalizing the chance for a good discussion and instead taking the discussion down
I'm sorry .. your right ..
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Amiga Inc holding on like a radiated ####roach is simply Bill McEwen's way of saying "screw you" to the Amiga community.
They let hyperion port os4, just to screw us??
I think their intentions was good, but things did not exactly their way and now they have ended up in a very bad financial situation. Though i believe the coupouns/tshirts was entirely wrong, even though they might have hoped this money would bring them back on track.
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@Marktime
.....Hyperion, on the other hand, that is a contractor for Amiga, inc. that so far has produced nothing.
Nevertheless, Hyperion, will probably eventually, finish OS 4.
What the f*ck have you done to advance this platform sunbeam? All I see is retrogade comments from an acidic parasite that expects everything on a plate...... and this goes for alot of you out there..... i'm singling this comment out as a collective, not nesc. picking on Marktime... most of you don't know the facts behind this and are merely speculating.......
Why don't you just wait and see.. bbrv and co would have you think that the Amigaworld is falling apart.. it is not... it is suprisingly sound...... contrary to the opinion of certain parties the future actually looks rather good... A DAMN site better than if HYp, AI and Eyetech were not involved...
Count your fuc*ing blessings.. would you stump up the money (even) if you had it to save this remarkable (albeit cursed) platform? No I think you wouldnt....
Who gives a sh1t about a couple of stupid t-shirts ( lets face it, you'd just look wankers in them anyway) ... ffs stop fighting amongst yourselves and find some unity.....
It will come good.... but like most with something beautiful you want to destroy it.. if you destroy this for me I will hate you forever.......
/Drunken rant over
sKy
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@ skyraker thank you for saying it right .. no need to draw lines in the sand ... so we got burned .. so what .. everyone I know that see's this kind of behavior understands...... but they just don't approve ... Amiga stands for all lot more then shortfalls ... thats just poor management .. at least we have our computers and the community..
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There are even people out there telling us that "I talked to Fleecy and he said not to worry about the lawyers quitting".
I have recollections of many with insider knowledge telling not to worry about the auction, the offices, and they were around in every single case... IMHO (and don't take it as a kind of insult) Fleecy is in an automated damage control mode for some time.
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MarkTime wrote:
To answer your question, I am not from Mars, there are no living humans on Mars.
Or dead ones for that matter.... :smack: :roll:
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Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
MarkTime wrote:
To answer your question, I am not from Mars, there are no living humans on Mars.
Or dead ones for that matter.... :smack: :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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MarkTime tried to convince us:
To answer your question, I am not from Mars, there are no living humans on Mars.
(http://www.fourth-millennium.net/space-exploration/my-life-on-mars-icon.JPG)(http://www.fourth-millennium.net/space-exploration/humans-on-mars-icon-SM.JPG)
"Only two more weeks honest!" :-)
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@Skyraker
You're a loon, even if you were drunk when you wrote that.
Look, I may be a cynic when it comes to Hyperion, Eyetech, Amiga Inc and even Genesi, but I have no influence whatsoever on their chances of success or failure. Nothing I, or anyone else here, will say will make any difference when it comes to the final reckoning.
What will destroy your dreams or not will be products, or the lack of them. Nothing else. If your dreams fail to materialise, then you need to point the finger at those who failed to deliver and no one else.
If you're so worried about the success of the companies you rely on to deliver your dreams, why don't you dig into your own pocket and donate them as much money as you can, even if you've already done so once of twice?
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I don't have any money mate..... besides I'm having ago at all the constant sniping and rumour mongering thats ripping the community apart... even a loon can see that ;)
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But they have produced things related to an OS. Email them now and get the OS4 compilers and documentation.
And if you look at what has been shown on various shows, I don't think you can say that Hyperion is bad. It's not like OS4 is dreamed up in some fantasyland, you know. Alot of people is using it daily in their betatesting process. They see the progress, they know it's not empty words.
If missed deadlines makes a company "bad" then.. 80% of the software producing companies are bad too. (or something like that).
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@Skyraker
I don't have any money mate.....
Well, that makes two of us.
besides I'm having ago at all the constant sniping and rumour mongering thats ripping the community apart... even a loon can see that ;)
The trouble with it is that the actual source of the sniping is to be found at the head of the companies involved, on all sides. If those people, who should show more responsibility, were to concern themselves solely with their own products and not comment on the products or fortunes of others, then the fanatical sections of the various camps would have less fuel and support for their flame and rumour wars.
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I think when you ask questions like 'Are you from Mars' you are minimalizing the chance for a good discussion
It was an hones mistake, I thought I heard a martian word or two as well ;)
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The only thing I have against Amiga Inc is the continual stupid outright lies being told by Barry and his ilk. There's even outright evidence of Barry's disregard for the community on the other site where Barry claims they were "scheduled" to move servers -- then went into the schpeel about how it was being done on his brother-in-law's wedding day -- when obviously it was nothing more than a lie as even Ray Akey pointed out. why does "Fleecy" feel the need to lie about EVERY SINGLE THING???
Yea, what's up with that? What would have been wrong with a "Probably a server move." statement rather than having to construct a more elaborate than needed LIE to appease the serfs?
It's this sort of thing that has repeatedly blown Fleecy's credibility to smithereens!!!
Ray keeps going on in that thread how Fleecy just made an assumption. Well, DUH. That part's bleeding OBVIOUS, but the point is he LIED to back up his assumption, and was caught red-handed when his assumption turned out to be wrong.
We now know that anything Fleecy says in response to trouble can be 1) an assumption, completely pulled from a hat, and completely wrong, and 2) an outright LIE in an effort of damage control. ... or 3) both.
And these people expect us to "trust" they are doing OK in absence of any positive evidence?? You can take that "trust" and stick it back up where Fleecy pulls his "assumptions" from. Nothing is more insulting than a lie.
It really does crack me up.
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The trouble with it is that the actual source of the sniping is to be found at the head of the companies involved, on all sides. If those people, who should show more responsibility, were to concern themselves solely with their own products and not comment on the products or fortunes of others, then the fanatical sections of the various camps would have less fuel and support for their flame and rumour wars.
Well, you can't really include AInc here - not for the last
year or so anyway. While Hyperion and Genesi heads have
had their share of flame instillment, the high heads of AInc
have pretty much kept out of the way (I'm sure some of
you will be quick to give a sarcastic reason for this, but as
far as I can see, whatever the reason, this is currently
the case). Also, no matter what your opinion is of fleecy,
the content of his answers and of the bi-weekly Q&A in
general, you can at least not blame the man for posting
inflammable material concerning the competition in these
Q&As. Even direct questions about the competition (in
earlier Q&As) have been handled and answered in a
non-agressive way. Even if some of his other optimistic
predictions sometimes ring a little stale to me - in this
particular area, fleecy excells.
This wasn't always so, I know. But at least in the
flame-fest starting department AInc seem to have learned
their lesson.
Thinking about it, the senior Genesi staff also seem
to have cooled lately. Perhaps they've learned that
lesson as well, albeit late. Good on them, in that case.
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SlimJim
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@SlimJim
Nice comment, as usual! :-)
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@SlimJim
Well, you can't really include AInc here - not for the last
year or so anyway.
Actually, yes I can, and I do. That's all I'm going to say in public.
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@Bill Hoggett
Well, it's your prerogative.
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SlimJim
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@Warface:
Thanks! :-)
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SlimJim
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@SlimJim
Just to elaborate slightly: there is no difference between making inflammatory remarks in public and making them in private to individuals who you know will then carry the fight into the public arena.
There are numeous ways to stir the sh*t and Amiga Inc are as guilty of doing it as anyone else.
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@bhoggett
I cannot really comment on it since I haven't seen it.
... But if you are right, that would at least put AInc among
the elite shrewd flame-instillers ... Always something to
brag about. ;-)
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SlimJim
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If you quote, then quote complete, please !
As he writes below a coupon is not a pre-order.
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@PAB
.....no, it's a prepayment and even worse for products who wheren't
anywhere near finishing state when the (nonexistant) coupons were offered.