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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: aracnet on June 26, 2002, 07:21:41 PM
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hi
I asked Gary that if this promotion is for an A1 mainboard with AOS 4.0 CD bundle? Or complete A1 system (with hd,cdrom,ram,... etc)? :-?
He answered :
This is for a pre-order of the AmigaOne "system" with OS4.0 already loaded on the hard drive for you. This coupon will be taken by all online AmigaOne dealers.
Sincerely,
Gary
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Wouldn't it be funny if someone bought the coupon, thinking it was for the bundle. :-P
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Ouch!
I bet at least of few of the coupon buyers were hoping to buy the mainboard and OS4 and build their own system.
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Ok. My money is on hold now.
I do not even know what the MB+OS+HDD+... packet costs or contains...
I'll buy the motherboard+OS and build the thing by myself (I already have 60Gb HDD etc... for it).
well... I just bought a pickup truck, so I have other use for that $50 anyways... ;)
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Uh oh...looks like sales pitch at it's best. Those that failed to read the 'fine print' are suckered.
Maybe there are some dealers that'll be sympathetic to those not buying a complete system & honor the coupon anyway. Fingers crossed. Come to think of it, that might pull sales from one vendor unwilling to budge to one that will. Hmmm...interesting.
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Some questions come to mind:
- What constitutes a "system"?
- What does it come with?
- Why are Amiga Inc trying to be so sneaky about this one...?
$50 off of a complete system is SO incredibly NOT a good deal, as the vendor can easily make up $50 in profit between other items that you either didn't want, or didn't need.
I feel really bad for those who didn't read between the usually unmistakable lines on this one...
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IMO people should be able to use the coupon both for bundles as well as complete systems. I can understand it if some people mis-understood Bill's message. No big deal however, considering that consumer AmigaOne boards are not available yet. So there is enough time left to solve this issue.
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I think some PR damage repair needs to be done on this one before people get disillusioned.
Maybe they could limit the specification of a system to just a hard drive with OS4 Pre-installed.
Didn't Amiga inc hire some new marketing people recently?
They had better get to work then because I want to build my own A1
If I was a reseller I would build a system, price it (including my profit) and then add an extra $50 dollars on top just to honour those coupons.
Not specifying the upper price limit of the discounted system is a mistake.
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Hmm, I was definitely thinking it was for a board only. Now what is the difference between a board only and a complete system? More than $50? If so, I'll sacrifice the $50 and just buy a board, thanks all the same.
tony
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Ahh, I see. I'm glad that I didn't rush into this then. I want to build my own system.
/Björn
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calm down guys.
Pay attention what`s written on the AmigaShop page. They differ between "AmigaONE/AmigaOS4 preloaded" and "AmigaONE/AmigaOS4 Systems". So i guess the ones just with a HD and the other one is a complete System. Don`t U?
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Maybe, but it still allows OEMs to make up the discount by charging a premium for the preloaded hard drives. There is no way the buyer knows that he's not just paying that premium in advance.
I agree with the others who call for watertight clarification on the conditions. This sort of potential for misunderstanding has plagued Amiga Inc throughout recent years, and the PR damage done is immeasurable.
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Umm, the dealers don't have to "make up" the discount, the discount is from A-Inc.
Of course people are right on the front that with the pre-loaded OS there will be some $$ added on to the price due to man hours of pre-loading the OS
It is a good opportunity for some dealer who will sell the motherboards, and give out a discount though!
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OK, for the first time I am slightly annoyied at Amiga. Yes maybe I
should have read what was said a bit closer (as Wayne pointed out!),
but the main message was the fact that they wanted to find out "how
many boards to order". So at the end of the day, I, like most people,
thought it would be for the board and OS4 bundle.
Not happy, not happy at all.
Still, if it is upto the vedors then they could just honor the
discount just for the board and OS4?
JS :-x
Oh and just got my mail returned from websales@amiga.com saying
"spammers not allowed"!!! HUH?! :-x :-x
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Nice...Amigan email shunned off from Amiga Inc as spam mail. Now there's a way to build your client base!! What's the matter...that shotgun hole in your foot ain't big enough?!
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A pointer to Amiga, people that buy the coupon also do like to use it on short term. No point in buying a coupon wich you can cash in 1 year later. Right?
Coder
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If I buy an AmigaOne *at all* it will *only* be as a MB to build my own. Strike two, AmigaInc.
Amithlon is looking better and better all the time.
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I too am glad I waited to but a voucher, I odn't need or want or compelte sysytem. I have so much bits and bobs around the house and besides my dad has got his own company building and repairing pee cee's so I can get the stuff I neeed chepa there.
Will a complete system include graphnics cards etc??????
I would be willing to order a coupoun if it is just for the mobo and OS4. The thins is I will be buying the blizzard version of OS4 as well.
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This is no good. This sucks.
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Hi Elektro,
You mean the coupon?
Coder
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We won't be preloading OS 4 on harddisks.
OS 4 OEM will ship on CD.
I'm sure Gary meant that the voucher can only be used when you buy certified hardware plus the OEM version of OS 4 (right now this means an AmigaOne plus OS 4)
Anything else doesn't make sense
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Please please get them to clarify this in an official statement.
Half the fun of the new A1 is going to be in the building and customisation of it.
After all if it is all a misunderstanding then it is preventing sales of the coupon thus it is in their own interest to elaborate.
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Coder: yes
I think Amiga Inc. should finally decide what exactly do they want. Do they want to be a software only company? Do they want to have licensed hardware only? Or do they want to sell only AmigaOnes, Twos,... from Eyetech as complete systems (ram, hd, graphics, sound) like 1200s, 4000s, etc...
Their PR stinks.
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@Ben
And now tell me: Why do you have to post a correction/clarification
shortly after every exec-up ?
Especially if these "mistakes" are about your product and you
always said that you had such a good relation to AInc. ?
Not that I really care :-P Just wondering ;-)
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Hi Elektro,
The only thing that I would dislike is that if I buy the coupon I do not want to be able to use it at the earliest like at the end of this year. That is not good. I do not buy a car now and start using it next year. Right?
Coder
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I do not buy a car now and start using it next year. Right?
Lets see: The DDR went bust ~12 years ago so I would say.....
No !!
Even if it would still it exist we would be talking about 12 years
and not 12 months here ;-)
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I'm sure Gary meant that the voucher can only be used when you buy certified hardware plus the OEM version of OS 4 (right now this means an AmigaOne plus OS 4)
Ben,
Can you confirm this with Gary?
Chris
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Elektro: Their PR stinks.
It may just be an ordinary mistake. Yes it should be cleared up. But everyone should at least give Gary a break, especially considering he is just recovering from a heart attack.
Gary, if you read this. By all means take it easy, your health comes first beyond anything else, you must remember that. I'm often dealing with patients recovering from heart attacks as I work as a physical therapist. Dealing with the impatient Amiga community can take a toll on you. Recovering takes time, take one step at a time.
Best wishes, Mike.
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For the first time in a long while, I'll have to agree that this kinda bites. I thought it was a $50.00 pre-pay which could be used toward purchase of an A1/OS4 (either full system or board/OS4 CD) If it can only be used toward a full system, then I probably will not be doing it.
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belive me, if it is only for the whole system, I wish I hadn't done
it.
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Heh. People actually seem surprised.
The software company that's not making software wants to loan money to "build" hardware which neither them nor their single licensee has anything to do with.
I hope all the components of the "new Amiga systems" are licensed and dongled too. After all, it's included with the "new Amigas". We wouldn't want any "substandard" graphics cards, harddrives et c., now would we? That could "split the community". Or something. :P
What a farce.
BTW, the petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/petition-sign.html) is still open. The 50,000th signatory gets a... ummm... bottle of single malt whisky to drown your sorrows with. :)
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Yea, seehund and his petition again, yipee!
Sorry, I don't mean any offence. Bad day, put my back out at work and
I get home to see all this on here...
Where is my noose?
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I think (this is my own guess) that it is a $50.00 pre-pay which could be used toward purchase of an A1/OS4 (either full system or board/OS4 CD)!
I think the "pre-loaded" thing is that the motherboard is compatible with AmigaOS 4.0 (has the antipiracy-ROM) and is bundled with the "AmigaOS 4.0 installation CD"!!!
I'm going to send my "mail-in form" as soon as posible :-D
I just need to get my check from the bank :-(
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Having a look at the promo page again, the only place where it mentions "systems" is where it describes what you will win. For 2500 orders, four AmigaOne/OS4 "systems" will be given away. From Gary's comments, that looks like full blown systems with memory, GFX card, hard drive, cd-rom, monitor, etc.
So .. there colud be some confusion between the qualifying purchase and the prize.
Realy, Amiga Inc should clarify exactly what the "system" prize specs. is as well as the qualifying "AmigaOne/OS4 preloaded" on the web page ASAP rather than by fowarded emails :-o :-o
Edwin
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Is this 50$ coupon for a full system - case, hard drive, graphics card, cdrom (or DVDROM), keyboard, mouse - or motherboard + OS 4.0 OEM CD?
I want to buy A1 + OS 4.0, but I don't want to buy a full system like I mentioned above. I can get quite cheap price for perphirals (hard drives, CDROM/DVDROM, cards, keyboard, etc..) and I have enough experience assembling a board into an ATX case - just sell me the (final version of) the board + OS 4.0 CD (and the ROM chip)..
I think I'm not the only one who wants to work this way. Amiga managment - please co-operate with your potential clients. Trying to sell complete boxes won't work well since your target clients knows already how to hook the hardware ..
Thanks,
Hetz
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@ Kronos
Why do they have to fix every update...
Well because we (the community) like to be able to fully interprate every syllable of every word of anything they right to 100% accuraccy.
As for this one, it needs a bit of interpretation / clarfication / something. And fixed right on the web page, not in just an distributed news item!
"Customers who are interested in purchasing an AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4.0 pre-loaded will be able to purchase a $50.00 off coupon for $50.00!"
[babble about prizes at various levels, which is described well, apart from actuall descriptons of what you win]
-> AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4.0 pre-loaded
Given all the different opinions i've go no idea :-?
Garry Peak said system with OS on the hard drive (*).. so I guess that's what it is untill they change their minds, or re-clarify.
(*)) Which I guess will be done by the dealer, (at cost to us) [Quite obvious since Eyetech are just doing jsut Motherboards, and Hyperion are just doing just the OS, and said above they won't be pre=loading]
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hi again;
After Gary's reply, I sent an e-mail to Fleecy Moss :
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...isn't it better that we can use this coupon for a A1 mainboard with AmigaOS CDRom for A1 ? And I am afraid many people, who pre-ordered or is going to pre-order coupon, think this promotion as i wished above. So you must explain it to public clearly.
Because many people just want to bu a A1 mainboard and Os 4.0 alone and don't want to buy a complete system (a1 in a atx case with cdrom,hd,gfx card etc...)
With this type of campain won't you loose them ? Isn't the number is the most important for the future of Amiga ? (to show world and investors)
Maybe you can make another campaing too.
Please do the best for Amiga...
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He answered :
> Because many people just want to bu a A1 mainboard and Os 4.0 alone and don't want to buy a complete system (a1 in a atx case with cdrom,hd,gfx card etc...)
> With this type of campain won't you loose them ? Isn't the number is the most important for the future of Amiga ? (to show world and investors)
I will check this for you.
> Please do the best for Amiga...
We are trying 8-)
Best regards,
fleecy
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I'm sure Gary meant that the voucher can only be used when you buy certified hardware plus the OEM version of OS 4 (right now this means an AmigaOne plus OS 4)
Did everyone read this clarification?
It would be nice if Amiga would official clarify it.
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I think there are two points here.
One/ is that the coupon is not a discount, rather a downpayment. Therefore the amount being small is a good thing, and if anything should have been smaller. Because the smaller the amount, the more people would be willing to risk "non-appearance of product", and if those that paid didn't actually make up the difference and purchase the product, then Amiga Inc would still get tons of cash from people that aren't true believes and should therefore be killed (kidding.. remember the Amiga mag rants against those that wouldn't purchase upgrades to A500s, and yet still had the gall to complain that new software didn't run on their machines).
Two/ is that it is not fair to be misleading as to what that downpayment is for. In other words it isn't fair to commit people to pay for something they didn't intend to buy.
That being the case, it would be perfectly valid to contact the credit card company and cancel the payment, but at the same time you should inform Amiga Inc of your actions and why.
I also assumed that the coupon was for the bundle, not a complete system, so now that I know I won't be buying one.
Not because I think it's a "bad deal" or a "naughty business practice", but because I want to build my machine to my own specs and budget.
The only thing I think Amiga Inc has done wrong is that they haven't been totally clear about what you are buying. I don't for one moment believe that this was intentional deception (hence suggesting that cancelled credit card orders are explained).
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:-? :-? :-? :-?
Now what does this mean for the Amiga Party Pack?
One must purchase a system? to get the $100 off?
Hey Fleecy! Help sort this out...
SO Now I have the $100 party Pack coupon, The $50 coupon and all I want is the Amiga One Motherboard and OS4... Hmmmmm I am am confused....... And a bit irritated..
Bill ... what is the answer...
Herr Friitz ... coffee tonight... working...
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You will at least want to buy the mainboard with OS4 and memory. I don't see how adding a harddrive in there is something that'll enable someone to pull the prices to the roof either. Don't you people understand that the reason for using PCI, AGP, UDMA100 and PC133 memory is a good thing? How on EARTH can the dealer put expensive parts in there and expect a sale if you as a customer can buy cheaper from someone else? Do you have that little confidence in the dealers who are gonna sell A1G3s? Grow up, people...
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But all a buyer really needs from Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion is the motherboard and a CDROM with the OS on it. Even harddrives vary a lot in terms of size, performance, etc., so buyers want to have a choice here too. Yes, this is why standards are a good thing -- customer choice. It isn't so much that people don't trust dealers, just that they want to choose components for themselves. This is why you start out with a bare motherboard.
It's amazing and sad how these AI "clarifications" raise as many question as they answer.
-- gary_c
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HyperionMP wrote:
We won't be preloading OS 4 on harddisks.
It sounds like somebody downstream is planning to.
-- gary_c
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@olgil
I only need the M/B and OS4. I have a spare 20Gb HDD, FDD, 256Mb RAM
(yes pc133) and I can reuse my SB sound card. The only thing I really
need at time of purchase is the GFX card. Somehow I don#t think the
MB+OS4+GFX card constitues a "system".
I am not concerned that dealers will put expensive parts in the
machine, all I care about is the fact that I don't NEED most of the
bits they will put in the machine! :-)
I don't think I am being childish, just not buying things I already
have!
JS
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Hi TallAmigan,
One must purchase a system? to get the $100 off?
You get 100$ discount on the AmigaOne board or can have OS4 for free for the party pack coupon. Correct me if I am wrong but I am sure about this.
Coder
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Hi
Official statement from Mr Alan Redhouse (Eyetech):
"No this is not our promotion - and Bill will post the clarification details later. But we are shipping A1 boards + OS4-OEM to dealers (inc Amiga Inc)
and that plus complete systems ourselves.
It is likely that you will probably be able to cash your voucher direct with dealers - but it is down to Amiga Inc to give out the details of how this will work. The main issue - as so many people have pointed out - is how to avoid the banks becoming the main beneficiaries of what was a well intentioned user support program (we pay euros15 ~USD15 on every receipt transaction for example).
Also the law is somewhat different in te US. In Europe you cannot (past Amiga-related companies excepted!) legally take money off consumers for a product that isn't yet on general availability. And, to me, $50 seeems an awful lot to charge for a T-shirt, with an non-legally enforcable right to an equivalent reduction on an AmigaOne. You will of course (somehow) get the
$50 off - this is just really a problem of how consumer legislation is inconsistent - and bank charges are inevitable - across the Global Economy.
That may also go some way to explain why it is Amiga Inc who receieve the money and not us or Hyperion"
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/Warning started of as a small post and turned into a rant/
Excuse me but...
I have never owned or used an Amiga but I am still willing to take the RISK of purchasing one based on the positive feedback i have recieved from other Amiga Users.
In my case I am ONLY interested in purchasing a complete and working system.
The reasons for this are:
1. I am probably goint to have a steep enough learning curve without throwing hardware curve balls into the equation.
2. I want an un-ambigouose WARRENTY which I can only get with a complete system. I am not willing to risk purchasing parts which may not work and be cought arguing with the original vendors that I did not install them properly.
3. I have better things to do with my time than fiddle with hardware (been there done that).
I agree that having the choice one way of the other is great. However Amiga.INC are trying to bring this system back from the dead and having a "certified" hardware combo to give new users a problem free expirenece is probably a better option at this time than allowing "mix and match" which will be harder FOR THEM to support.
As for the voucher, I don't care what it is for. If the number purchased stays as low as it currently is (less than 300 when i last looked) it will convince more developers that they are wasting there time than any other act.
My belief is that if you wish to prove to the world that Amiga is not dead, purchase the fXXking coupon and get the "number" up. In truth if you guy's balk at a $50US commitment it will be hard to convince anyone that you will spend money on anything else for the Amiga either. The developers will go where the money is and at the moment the numbers are suggesting "somewhere else".
Thats my 2 cent worth
Regards
Darren
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In my case I am ONLY interested in purchasing a complete and working system.
Nothing wrong with that, bu you should know that most of the current users
know how to built a system themselfes and solve any troubles and that alot
allready have the one or other item they want to put in their new system, or
have a source where they can get better parts at lower prices.
that if you wish to prove to the world that Amiga is not dead, purchase the fXXking coupon and get the "number" up
No even if the number would be well in the 4 digit region you would still
not be able to convince one single developer as the HW isn't available yet.
If you want to show your support for the systems, you should buy
Amithlon now (better wait till next week), Amiga-SW to run on it now,
and the PPC-system of your choice if an d when they are available.
SW-developers need sales NOW and that goal can't be reached with
the coupon.
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Pity about the delay, I also had decided to purchase Amithlon 2 so that I could have a decent system while i was waiting for 'other' things to progress.
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@Gadget
This is the Amiga !!
Did you really expect that something like that could go without useless fights ?
It's a far to good product to be allowed to the market it seems.
(no offense meant, just an observation of the last 8 years)
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Actually , I was a bit surprised when I heard about the licensing issue being sorted out.
My first thoughts were "this is too good to be true"
I was right.
Lets just hope it doesn't drag on and on.
We really should be used to seeing things 'not going so smoothly' in the Amiga market by now.
Poor Bernie, he does something good for the community and look how he gets treated. :-?