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Title: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: Tjodden on June 25, 2002, 03:15:07 AM
I have two months of free time this summer, which I would love to spend on coding for AROS or AWeb Open Source. The problem is that I have to pay my bills, and therefore I would need to get some temporary job. This of course means there would be very little time to code on those projects... :-/

The solution to this would be if someone (or some group of people) were willing to sponsor me for coding on AROS or AWeb one month or two. I don't ask for much money, just enough to pay my bills and to buy food. For that I would code 60 hours / week, that is more than fulltime. In total, this would mean around 240 hours of work going into AROS or AWeb in a month, to improve any part you (the sponsor) wants me to.

You can find more information here (http://www.chodorowski.com/sponsoring.html).

Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: whabang on June 25, 2002, 03:32:46 AM
If I had the bucks I would!
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: Coder on June 25, 2002, 03:37:51 AM
Goes for me too whabang. When next month the credit card bill comes I think I will be need to be tied up to prevent me from going crazy.

But I think this idea will work.

Coder
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: Skippy on June 25, 2002, 03:51:32 AM
May I suggest setting up a PayPal account for free online money transaction.

www.paypal.com

I would gladly put a donations link on my website.

Let me know if you decide to do this and I'll make a donation.

I hope other users here who are interested in the project will register with paypal [free] and make a small donation too.

Skippy  :-D
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: Tjodden on June 25, 2002, 04:07:48 AM
I'll have a look at PayPal; I wonder if it works if you're not living in the USA...

The problem is though, that I need to be sure that I get atleast 5000:- SEK (about 500:- EUR) so I can pay my bills, otherwise I cannot guarantee I can actually work on the projects (since I'd have to get a job anyway). So having a couple of people donating 50:- SEK wont't do me any good, unless I *know* atleast I'll end up with 5000:- SEK in the end. :-/
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: z5 on June 25, 2002, 04:36:40 AM
What about adding css to Aweb? Could you do this  :-?
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: System on June 25, 2002, 04:40:53 AM
Hey, does this mean you guys would pay me full time to work on Amiga.org? :-)  I'm all for that... :-)
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: Tjodden on June 25, 2002, 04:52:37 AM
I don't know, since I haven't looked close enough at the AWeb sources yet. However, CSS is a typical feature that might be very hard to bolt onto an existing design unless the current design is *very* extensible (which it doesn't seem to be). I don't think it would be possible without a serious redesign of AWebs architecture...

Although I could ofcourse start, but it would be hard for me to promise anything usable in a month. The most simple CSS properties would be quite easy to implement (like text color etc), but implementing *everything* would probably be quite hard...
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: redrumloa on June 25, 2002, 05:36:28 AM
Focus on Aweb, and set up a pay pal system by an independant 3rd party and ask for $5usd contributions. You would probably hit your asking price.

AROS probably wouldnt bring in $$.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: redrumloa on June 25, 2002, 05:39:51 AM
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Hey, does this mean you guys would pay me full time to work on Amiga.org?  I'm all for that...  


What's stopping you from offering a premier A-Org account with perks for a few dollars a month? Keep it cheap like $5 and give it perks(like the email@amiga.org) and some sort of freebie every year like a bumber sticker or hat.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: 4pLaY on June 25, 2002, 06:03:28 AM
No DONT foucuse on AWeb! i want a damned WB in AROS! ill only pay if thats where the work goes.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: ilgulamc on June 25, 2002, 04:27:16 PM
yeah, i would give you a contribution if you would set up an account.

And i vote for Aweb development.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: 23JUL on June 26, 2002, 12:27:18 AM
Well, I can't sponsor, because I  lack money, a usable Amiga and money.

Though,
I think the Amiga Web Experience (hmm, that sounds like a MS commercial), only could benefit ultimately if Mozilla/Gecko could be compiled for the Amiga platform.

So who starts a framework to get that code compiled?
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: DaveP on June 26, 2002, 12:34:07 AM
Im sorry but I dont agree with that at all. The Mozilla experience
and the IE experience would be far from swish without plugins
such as Java, Flash etc etc.

What IS missing on the Amiga side of things is the plugins.

Roll on XHTML!
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: 23JUL on June 26, 2002, 03:50:13 AM
> What IS missing on the Amiga side of things is the plugins.

Come on, the plugins should plug in *somewhere*... ;)

So why not use the codebase that
a) has its standard way for plugins
b) is proven to work under different OS'es.
c) is being developed by many people.
d) is more compliant towards w3c standards than any other browser!

http://www.alistapart.com/stories/tohell/ (http://www.alistapart.com/stories/tohell/)
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: DaveP on June 26, 2002, 04:08:47 AM
Tell you what, instead of ripping into you which was my first reaction ( bad ) how about you prove your case.

Tell me how much harder it is to adapt plugin code from another platform/browser to this platform/browser combination vs porting Mozilla and then the plugin code.

Note that you are conversing with someone who has ported Mozilla before onto two platforms.

I dont think AmigaOS needs Mozilla, I think it needs a *better* browser than all the other platforms - the Amiga edge. With Mozilla there is no value add to using AOS.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: DaveP on June 26, 2002, 04:10:26 AM
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d) is more compliant towards w3c standards than any other browser!


Note this is not true. I suggest you poke around http://www.w3c.org and do a bit of reading from the proverbial horses mouth.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: 23JUL on June 26, 2002, 05:36:14 AM
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Tell me how much harder it is to adapt plugin code from another platform/browser to this platform/browser combination vs porting Mozilla and then the plugin code.
Too be honest, I haven't got a clue. I guess the first option would be less harder, and is more in the line of the Amiga way of doing things. Nevertheless, by following that path, you are still stuck with an outdated browser. (*) In other words: I can't garantuee my pages are correctly interpreted.

(*) On the other hand: I can't say much about the currently used browsers on the Amiga, since I don't have access to a properly configured and fast enough machine. I don't know whether there are xhtml, xml, html, xls, css1/2,  dom1/2, dtd, javascript/ecmascript compliant and/or capable browsers for it, but these are at least the 'technologies' which are counting for the other half of the 'webexperience' without plugins.

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Note that you are conversing with someone who has ported Mozilla before onto two platforms.
Share your experience with the third ;)

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I dont think AmigaOS needs Mozilla, I think it needs a *better* browser than all the other platforms - the Amiga edge. With Mozilla there is no value add to using AOS.
I think AmigaOS needs Mozilla, although I admit I would love to see a better browser for AOS. The value added by Mozilla is at least a choice how to browse and how a page may be interpreted by the rest of the world...

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>d) is more compliant towards w3c standards than any other browser!

Note this is not true. I suggest you poke around http://www.w3c.org and do a bit of reading from the proverbial horses mouth.
Okay, that may not be 100% true, but it is at least my experience by assigning some css and javascripts to pages, Mozilla did the job better (than ie, o and konq) by being more consistent with the proposals the w3c made (especially the boxing model and event handling).

Getting offtopic.

Main reason I wrote here was that someone wanted to program for money, I don't have money, only the suggestion for a Mozilla port framework, because I think that really is worth the money.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: DaveP on June 26, 2002, 02:50:22 PM
If Amaya wasnt such an un user friendly experience I would
suggest porting that instead - and upgrading it.

It is 100% compliant with standards because it is ( at least
up until recently, Ill check ) the browser we use to check
out new draft standards.

Dave.
Title: Re: Sponsor AROS or AWeb development
Post by: lionstorm on June 26, 2002, 08:08:41 PM
Why not taking a full time job to save some money for the next A1/os4 and use your talent/free time to help people for instance porting Quake2 ?
LionStorm