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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: jumpship on June 24, 2002, 07:46:01 PM
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The licensing troubles have finaly been sorted out and soon Amithlon 2 will be avaliable as a demo version and a full version. Read the Announcement (http://www.amiga.com/corporate/062302-amithlon.shtml)!
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Not a word about H&P. But I am happy to see this result. Anyone knows about the fact if H&P will be involved in this?
Coder
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@Coder
No I think H&P are out of it and It is a stand a lone agreement between Bernd Meyer and AInc.
Correct me if i'm wrong :-P
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Weeeee!!!
I am seriously considering to buy this. :-)
Itchy "buy" finger.
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So I bet we cannot buy Amithlon 2 from H&P? I am considering to buy this too. I know that OS4 is coming but in the meantime I want to be able to use a "speedy" Amiga. If the price is right I might consider it.
Coder
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So I bet we cannot buy Amithlon 2 from H&P?
NO thank GOD!
I am considering to buy this too. I know that OS4 is coming but in the meantime I want to be able to use a "speedy" Amiga. If the price is right I might consider it.
I will buy it to, and YES the price should be right. This time you will only be downloading the demo, and paying for a keyfile. You will NOT have to pay for OS3.9(as long as you have it already), and you will NOT have to pay for AmigaXL emulator.
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Itchy "buy" finger.
It's not for sale quite yet:-) Sounds good though.
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And also, before the final version will be out of OS4 we first have the beta to play with. But that might be a bit buggy to use for my programming project. I think it will be some time before OS4 will be ready and that time might be usefull to have Amithlon 2. At the moment I am using WinUAE but in my opinion it is not good enough for me. (Or is it my buggy coding that makes it crash?)
Coder
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At the moment I am using WinUAE but in my opinion it is not good enough for me. (Or is it my buggy coding that makes it crash?)
It's WinUAE-JIT is buggy as living hell! and *YES* Kronos I tried without my CPU being overclocked.
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It's WinUAE-JIT is buggy as living hell! and *YES* Kronos I tried without my CPU being overclocked.
:-D :-D :-D
Thinking about trying fellow. Can it emulate picasso screens just like UAE can?
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Thinking about trying fellow. Can it emulate picasso screens just like UAE can?
The last time I checked, NO. Fellow is very fast, but is only usefull for old games.
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Fellow is very fast, but is only usefull for old games.
Just thought I'd add a bit to that. Fellow is fast when doing the chipset emulation. It is therefore well suited to old games, and will run some stuff that UAE will not.
However, last time I checked Fellow has no JIT, so CPU emulation is actually quite slow, meaning it is not well suited for applications at all.
For old games, Fellow makes a good solution. For anything else, forget it.
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It's WinUAE-JIT is buggy as living hell! and *YES* Kronos I tried without my CPU being overclocked
Bad luck !!
But I haven't used UAE-JIT for long as it didn't liked my K6-III in a Triton-board,
and 1 month after I got the XP1600 I had Amithlon.
That month was o.k
Back ontopic:
Sounds nice but I still fear it could be "torpedoed" by a 3rd party :-x
That little that I have heard about the feature-set sounds promising. :-)
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I bought the first version. So is this update free for us? :-?
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Sounds nice but I still fear it could be "torpedoed" by a 3rd party
You blaming Hyperion for H&P's unethical practices?
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You blaming Hyperion for H&P's unethical practices?
Sorry red, but could it be that you just had one of your
"1 man, 1 bar and 50$"-nights ;-)
I was not talking about the bad-mouthing that has been done by Ben
in the past, but about what could come in the near future.
Given this statement H&P are now a possible 3rd-party-trouble-source
when it comes to Amithlon.
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What's this about 50$ for one person in a bar thing?
I could easily spend the double in a few hours without even getting drunk!
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I could easily spend the double in a few hours without even getting drunk!
Be carefull, Kronos will tell you that Swedish people shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
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Be carefull, Kronos will tell you that Swedish people shouldn't be allowed to procreate
Nah, don't you know what insane taxes they put on "strong drinks"
in Scandinavia ?
Even I could diggest that much (if I'll concentrate ob that "Dom Perignon").
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Nah, don't you know what insane taxes they put on "strong drinks"
in Scandinavia ?
Even I could diggest that much (if I'll concentrate ob that "Dom Perignon").
How much do you think a stiff drink costs here in the states at a respectable establishment? Oh that's right were all just rednecks drinking $1 beers in a can at a local hell hole. :roll:
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Looking at Denmark across the sea ( 4.5 Km / 3 miles ). Ahh... the promised land in the west!
:-D :-D :-D
I could always make a nice lil' phone call and get five litres of pure booze for 40$. That is enough to make an elephant feel dizzy!
:-P
Cheers! :pint:
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Kronos, why dont you just apologise to Red and be done with it. It sounds to me like you *know* you shouldnt have got so personal on the other thread and making a joke out of it doesnt seem to be working IMHO.
On topic I seriously doubt that Amithlon will need to be torpedoed because it will only support AOS3.9 and potentially 5.x. The intervening increments are PPC only.
Seeing conspiracy theories everywhere does nothing more than give people like cheesegrate an excuse to live.
Dave.
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On topic I seriously doubt that Amithlon will need to be torpedoed because it will only support AOS3.9 and potentially 5.x. The intervening increments are PPC only.
Torpedoed? If it was going to be torpedoed, Amiga Inc weren't going to get a better chance than this, right? As they obviously have not done it, I don't think the subject is worth discussing any more.
(However, Kronos was suggesting H&P might try and torpedo it themselves, now that they can no longer profit from it directly)
As for the rest, I think Amithlon will go off at a tangent regarding its OS anyway. In the extremely unlikely event that OS5 should actually become more than utter vapour, it wouldn't require Amithlon anyway, and in truth AmigaOS itself is now permanently and irreversably committed to a PPC only future.
The only way that Amithlon will evolve is to slowly replace AmigaOS code with x86 equivalents, possibly by adapting AROS technology. Only time will tell if any of that will happen, but let's face it, no one's future is guaranteed in the Amiga scene.
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Well exactly. But Kronos did say:
I was not talking about the bad-mouthing that has been done by Ben
in the past, but about what could come in the near future.
Which suggests that at the back of his mind was Hyperion and not H+P as well as Bens "not on x86" stance.
Sure 5.x is utter vapour etc etc but then so is Amithlon s future plans. I dont see anything technologically that sayes that AmigaOS's future is irreversably tied to PPC. Perhaps you could elaborate further on that point.
Dave.
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Which suggests that at the back of his mind was Hyperion and not H+P as well as Bens "not on x86" stance.
Well, I can't argue with what it sounds like, but having exchanged a few mails with kronos recently, I know he is far more concerned with what H&P might do than what Ben might do.
After all, the contract between Amiga and Bernie is signed, hardcopies have been exchanged, and I don't see what Ben Hermans would have to do with it. The contract is basically nothing more than a licensing deal. It doesn't give Amiga any say in the future direction of Amithlon at all.
Sure 5.x is utter vapour etc etc but then so is Amithlon s future plans.
Yes, but Amithlon itself is not vapour, whereas the whole entity described as OS5 is just that. There is a difference.
I dont see anything technologically that sayes that AmigaOS's future is irreversably tied to PPC. Perhaps you could elaborate further on that point.
Don't think in purely technology terms, think in practical ones. One of the reasons given why PPC is the right move now is that it will be able to stay compatible with all the PPC-only software already developed. How much more will that factor grow over a few years of a PPC-only AmigaOS? What will be the point to switching to a completely new OS, or supporting a completely different CPU base, when so many companies are being asked to invest in a PPC-only route? The whole idea of committing to PPC for just a while is completely unworkable. You don't invest all that money and time in a temporary solution. The future of AmigaOS is now wholly dependent on the success of the PPC platform. The decision has been made. There will be no x86 get out clauses on this one. If the PPC hardware route proves a financial disaster, AmigaOS will go down with it. Nothing is surer.
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Amithlon exists
AmigaOS exists
Intent exists
The so called HAL layer in AOS4 exists
Amithlon 3.x does not exist
AOS5.x does not exist
How is one more vapour than the other? The technological foundations for a future exist in component form the work has not been done for either "future" directions that may or may not exist.
Therefore anything not released or near to release is vapourware. The foundations might NOT be vapourware ergo Amithlons future is as vapourous as AOS5.x.
QED.
As for the rest I see business imperatives that would make it more attractive NOT to develop for x86 ( well IA64 because if we have the timescales correct IA32 doesnt have a long term future ).
However, businesses and marketplaces do not stay the same - they shift quite quickly and while we might not be able to see an architecture agnostic future based on the Hogget Crystal Ball if nothing technlogically is done to technically exclude an agnostic future there is no practical reason ( yours included ) why given sufficient business imperative ( and thats what it should be based on ) there should not be an AOS that runs seamlessly on x86 in the future.
Ive seen too much in the market change in short periods of time to be as absolutist as you are on the issue.
Dave.
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Dave, have I mentioned Amithlon 3.x?
Have I said what will happen on Amithlon?
OS5, OTOH, is being touted all over the place.
As for the absolutist view, I prefer to regard it as the realist view. When presented with the most likely scenario against a possible but highly unlikely one, I'm afraid I'm not going to bet my house on the latter.
You, on the other hard, are free to do as you wish.
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Thats just my point both of those are what "might" happen,
roadmaps might be published for one or another ( 3.x was hypothetical btw )
but it makes them no more or no less vapourware until someone or some people
make serious inroads into them as a product.
I wouldnt bet my house on it and I wouldnt bet my house on it
not coming to fruition.
Frankly I dont care because AmigaOS is currently smaller than a
proverbial minnow and its direction is totally up to the existing
marketplace and any new marketplace that can be defined.
I also want to see AOS as something I can put on an LPAR on a
z800 box but until its happening Im not going to sit here and cry about
it.
Taking the PPC route does not prohibit ( or "rule out" ) any other
hardware platforms being adopted in the future - it just means
they have been ruled out for now.
Big deal.
Dave.
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On topic I seriously doubt that Amithlon will need to be torpedoed because it will only support AOS3.9 and potentially 5.x. The intervening increments are PPC only
From my 1st posting:
Given this statement H&P are now a possible 3rd-party-trouble-source
I don't think it will end with "nice" messages like this:
Drty Harry XXI (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlon/message/8295)
But I'm also sure that Ben will restart his campaign in the very minute
he recognzes that people who were waiting for OS are getting the
new Amithlon and are so pleased with it that they won't buy an A1
afterwards.
why dont you just apologise to Red
:-o :-o :-o
I still think it was easy to see that this was intendet as a "nice" pun,
and I also got the feeling that Red did see it as just that ( I can take
a few punches myself). However this is for Red to decide.
@Red: Just drop a word and I will slow down a bit...
Well lets say I'll try .. ;-)
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Well, I agree with Hyperion that there is no realistic business case for AmigaOS to exist in the short on x86 with a future until the Linux/Windows situation has played its way out and the applications software on AOS starts to come together.
Starting where only MacOS(consumer), Linux(not exactly popular) and AIX (high end) are the competition is a good thing in my opinion.
Depending on what happens with the hardware platforms and the operating systems over the coming year this is bound to be even more or less of the case.